Add Kyrgyz language to l.d.o

Do you know of any previous work done to translate Drupal to Kyrgyz and/or do you have others who'd work with you?

All right, good. As per http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms#k Kyrgyz does not seem to have plural differences (the plural form is nplurals=1; plural=0). Is that right?

Great, I've created the team at http://localize.drupal.org/languages/ky and made @azatkooman the initial owner / admin. You can add any number of other admins and manage group level permissions of people.

Please report issues as you find them! Your team members can now join and help import existing translations and work on more translations. Anybody can sign up for being a member of the team and they will be able to submit suggestions right away. The initial admin can change permissions of people signing up, widening their capabilities. See http://localize.drupal.org/node/616 for explanation on how. It is highly suggested to grant both moderation permissions to those who you also designate admins.

Welcome on board!

Yes, unfortunately Drupal core itself will name it Kirghiz, so we'll need to fix this in core as well to get it in line with how the new spelling looks like. I fixed it in site settings as well (that is used in listings around the site), so it should look fine everywhere on localize.drupal.org. Still people setting up the language on their Drupal site will see Kirghiz as known by Drupal. This should get fixed in the next update of the language list in core based on the ones on localize.drupal.org. This was done before in #912218: Add missing languages present on localize.drupal.org and will I think happen in followups later.

Let's not confuse language code with country code. This was debated in #495030: Use correct spelling for "Kyrgyz" in language list in fact. The language code internationally registered for Kyrgyz is "ky", "kg" is registered for the Kongo language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongo_language) by the ISO. This list is used by web servers, browsers, etc. to identify languages, so we'll keep using "ky".

Hey Gábor,

Could you please add me as admin too?

Azat,

It would be very nice of you to confirm you've got this translation from Kyrgyzpatent. http://patent.kg is much older than http://www.studentstan.kg, actually there are even older websites like htp://kyrgyzstan.org, which were using Kyrgyz translation with exact translation patterns, which you deem here as of yourselves. I had asked my colleagues while working as a head of Kyrgyzpatent to distribute Kyrgyz translation of Drupal to everyone who asks for it, and I know several organizations in Kyrgyzstan had started using our translation of Drupal into Kyrgyz language.

This might not be so important as Kyrgyz language is being supported anyway, however it would be useful for you to know that Drupal community will expect its contributors to be honest members.

Gábor, my this account has been created long enough time ago. You can see I have raised and been dealing with several issues regarding Kyrgyz Language. And of course Kyrgyz translation has been there for a while, since Drupal 4.7. Translation of azatkooman is not new, it is actually based on the one which has already been distributed in Kyrgyzstan. Would be really nice if azatkooman learned to respect efforts of previous translators.

@Ulan: As documented above, the current team manager can add any number of other team managers.
@yngens: can you discuss this with the maintainer please first?

Dear friends, @Ulan and @yngens,

By no means I meant to diminish your previous efforts in translating Drupal into our precious language. I can confirm that I got some of the translation from one of the staff of the Kyrgyzpatent. And I fully respect your job. Why I became an admin of this community? Just because when I looked at available localizations, there was no Kyrgyz, so I asked @Gabor to include it into the list.

I will be more than glad to include you into the list of maintainers of this group.

Sincerely,

Azat Kooman

Azat, it is nice that you finally acknowledge the fact you got "some of the translation from one of the staff of the Kyrgyzpatent". Now let me quote question of Gábor Hojtsy to you back in January, 2011 and your reply to him:

Do you know of any previous work done to translate Drupal to Kyrgyz and/or do you have others who'd work with you?

Yes, I have been doing translation myself for the version 6 and I have several friends willing to help with the translation.

No mention your work is based on earlier translations of Drupal into Kyrgyz language? Don't you think your comment in December little bit contradicts with your statement in January? Besides, I personally applied to you for including myself as co-admin for the language back in January of last year and unfortunately never got response from your side.

It is little bit unfortunate that the one who applied first gets administration account for the language regardless of his "freshness" in the community and some obvious failures to comply with simple truthfulness and fairness to the previous efforts of other Drupal users. And I would let it be as is and never questioned justification of the fact that administration of the language was given to an occasional applicant if not your last comment on http://drupal.org/node/495030#comment-5415614 Sorry for being little bit rude here, bit it is completely unprofessional and unacceptable opinion that native name for the Kyrgyz language should be Кыргыз. You have to understand that this is important matter and influence all the Drupal installations in Kyrgyzstan in the future. And I insist that you voluntarily terminate your administration to the group and leave it to other people who are devoted to the community and take real care, including to the matter how correctly Drupal's development should go with regard to Kyrgyz language.

Gabor,

I repeatedly tried to contact Azat to get included into the list of admins with no joy. Could you please also take into consideration the fact that other people worked on Kyrgyz translation of Drupal much earlier than Azat, and his failure to answer to our requests in timely manner I ask you to transfer the main administrators right to myself. My word that Azat will not be deprived. But matters like in http://drupal.org/node/495030#comment-5415614 are getting little bit off the right track and should be addresses much more regularly that twice a year logging of Azat into drupal.org.

@yngens: this issue was about adding the language to localize.drupal.org. To discuss your topic properly as per drupal.org processes, it would be great to open a new issue for this, unless you have concerns with *adding* this language (ie. we should remove the language). Also, findig supporters in the team would be good. As it stands, it just looks like your opinion. I'll make sure to ask the current team lead to reply and we'll see if we get any reply on the new issue you open. Thanks!

Gabor,

If you doubt, please see our efforts to put this right in upstream Linux community: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17505, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21451. We are dealing with Kyrgyz language since long.

Please look at http://ky.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кыргыз_тили - they call it, the language, "Kyrgyz" in English, but they never say Кыргыз in Kyrgyz language. They call it either Кыргызча or Кыргыз тили. I am native Kyrgyz myself. And believe me I know how my language is called in my native language. Simple rule - all the languages in turkic group add ча, че, ша or ça, çe, şa as suffixes in the end. You jus look at the list of the languages on the left block on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages. I will list some of turkic languages:

Azərbaycanca (alternatively Azerbaycan dili)
Башҡортса (alternatively Башҡорт тили)
Қазақша (alternatıvely Қазақ тілі)
Кыргызча (alternatively Кыргыз тили)
Türkçe (alternatively Türk dili)
Татарча/Tatarça (alternatively Татар теле)
Uyghurche‎ (alternatively Uygur dili)

And I know that even your mother tongue is a member of Uralo Altaic group of languages and that ancestors of great Huns call their language not just Magyar, but Magyar nyelv. We, turkic people, call your language either Magar tili or Majarcha, Majarça.

Now go to any Drupal site and hit 'admin/settings/language/add', an then expand 'Custom language' and read: 'Language name in English' which is in our case 'Kyrgyz'. And then read next line: 'Native language name' and the explanation below the field: 'Name of the language in the language being added.'!!!!!!!!!

You, guys, a re going to screw up Drupal by confusing endonym with exonym. Want to know little bit more? Please read about the difference between them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endonym

You may well call Kyrgyz language KYRGYZ in English, but in native language it never can be called just Kyrgyz (Кыргыз), it necessarily should be called Kyrgyzcha, Kırgızça, Кыргызча or Кыргыз тили, Kırgız tili.

Russian occupation screwed up many minds, we call persons with such minds Mankurts (http://www.freeman.org/m_online/may99/shusteff1.htm), those who forgot their own essence and nature up to that extend when they don't know who they really are. Let's not make Drupal - Mankurt CMS in the eyes of those who really care and pay attention to this kind of sensitive matters. Let's not go too much into politics. But you just do little bit research before going to name my language in my language Кыргыз. That will be a shame! I am Кыргыз as a person, however I am ready to give away my head to be cut on guillotine, but I insist that my language in my mother tongue should be called Кыргызча!!!!!!!

This is getting way too much ridiculous. Maybe I should address Dries himself?

I think you wanted to post that comment on #495030: Use correct spelling for "Kyrgyz" in language list? That is the topic you are pursuing here. I'm sorry, but even if you have the best intentions, posting at unrelated places is not really helping your cause.

My bad, Gabor, I have just reposted it on http://drupal.org/node/495030#comment-5467922 Nevertheless, these two discussions are interrelated, since the discussion on the other thread is a clear evidence of incompetence of the group maintainer. Besides you have to somehow address his inability to add myself as a group administrator. A year passed and Azat is logging into Drupal.org to give couple of comments meanwhile we had persistently been knocking at his door with our request to include us into the group. Moreover he has finally admitted there were earlier versions of Kyrgyz translations of Drupal made by our group. Will you consider all these arguments or will you just ignore them?

I don't see the deep divide here. @azatkooman commented above in #18 that he would be "more than glad to include you into the list of maintainers of this group" refering to @ulan and @yngens. @yngens I've asked you to open an issue for discussing this if you believe @azatkooman changed his mind (in accordance with drupal.org processes for issues discussing distinct topics instead of repurposed for related discussions in an ongoing fashion). You clearly don't want to do this. Anyway, with reference to the statement from the group maintainer above, I've added both of you to be admins of the group.

I think this is down to being able to (or not being able to) having human discussions, and you'll still need to be able to do that while working together. This is not really something that any "upper authority" could solve for you.

Gabor, I appreciate adding myself into the group. At the same time I can't help commenting your referencing to #18, which is dated December 2011, whereas we first tried to contact azatkooman back in January, 2011. We also reported to you his inability to communicate with us in timely manner, he did not add us into the group the whole year and you are referencing his message of just a month ago. А little bit of justice would be very much appropriate here. Thank you, anyway!