By charly71 on
Hi all,
I'd tested new 5.x themes like Garland, Aberdeen and Zen, on Internet Explorer 5.5.
I was surprised that left and right columns don't display. I don't believe that these themes will not support IE 5.5, because it is still used by a lot of people.
What do you think about?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Dumb question perhapse
Just out of curiosity, and I do not mean to debate because I don't know enough for that : who is using IE 5.5 ? Does someone know about the particularities of such a group ? Are these Windows 98 people ?
Also do you have a link on how to install/run both IE 6 and IE 7 on the same Windows XP box ?
Caroline
IE 5.5 is still being used
IE 5.5 is still being used by schools and kiosk machines. Lots of intranets still use IE 5.5. You can find info on running IE6 and IE7 together here
http://www.windowscomputer.com/?q=node/25
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Thanks for the link!
I believe you when you say that some schools may still run IE 5.5. My university's library still runs IE 6 on all terminals now and there are no plans to upgrade. It's not for lack of anything but money... unfortunately.
I can understand that Drupal being open-source, it mat very well be the chosen solution for non-profit and public institutions that don't run state-of-the-art computer technology.
Caroline
Multiple IE on your machine
Hi Caroline,
Try http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE.
You need to install ie7 first and then this, where you can have ie3, 4, 5, 5.5 and 6. Not that you need all of them :)
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Microsoft ended support for the last possible version of IE5.5 in December of 2003. You should have upgraded at the very least to at least IE6. If you are unable to upgrade to IE6, then please investigate alternative web browsers or operating systems.
Getting websites, much less complex good looking sites, to look good across web browsers is difficult enough without throwing old, unsupported browsers into the mix.
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You are right, but if you
You are right, but if you design web sites for government, schools or municipality, these must be cross-browser. In Italy we must respect a law more restrictive then 508. Our municipality or local governments use often older browsers, like IE5.x. That's all.
Carlo
It's the call to the print stylesheet
charly71,
In those themes, the call to the print stylesheet is something like:
What happens is that IE 5.5 doesn't handle that import well. By calling the stylesheet as below ie5.5 displays your theme properly.
I'll soon fix Aberdeen to incorporate this.
Great! Now it works!
Thanks a lot!
By the way
Does anyone know why we use an @import in a style element in Drupal, rather than a
<link>element ?Caroline
that's a good question
can anyone think of any good reasons not to switch from
@importto<link>?Would it impact on Drupal Core CSS Preprocessor (admin/settings/performance - bandwidth settings - 'aggregate and compress CSS files') ?
John
John, I'd really like folks here to answer our question, and perhapse it's worth a separate thread : http://drupal.org/node/123260
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IE 5.5 Statistics and Support
Internet Explorer 5.5 support was dropped by Microsoft quite a while ago (December 2003 as sepeck mentioned). It's important to remember that less than 1% of the world still uses IE5.5. IE6 is a free upgrade from IE5.5 and works on every Windows OS going back to Windows 98. The only Windows OS that does not have an IE6 upgrade available is Windows 95 which is unsupported by all browsers at this point (though you can run Firefox 1.5 on Windows 95).
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't believe there's anything within 508 or similar laws that requires supporting an unsupported browser. Cross-browser means making it work in Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, Opera, etc. Cross-platform means supporting Windows, Linux, Mac, etc. There's no more call to support Internet Explorer 5.5 than there is to support Opera 3.0.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't encountered IE5.5 in the wild in a long time. Every website layout/theme has to make a decision around where the cut off point is. How many new features do you sacrifice to maintain backwards compatibility with older browsers? I'm sure everyone here remembers the days of supporting Netscape 4 and being severely limited in the CSS you could use. Most websites have dropped Netscape 4 support at this point or let the site degrade to plain HTML without CSS by way of hiding the CSS from it.
I think, due to the lack of users (under 1% worldwide and falling), the lack of support (Microsoft dropped support for IE5.5 years ago), the difficulty with testing (though you can use the illegal IE5.5 standalone packages, which aren't that hard to get running) and the extra work that goes in to making sites work with IE5.5's broken CSS engine (and it does require extra work in the initial design and testing and as you enhance it) that it is time to drop support for IE5.5 in base themes. Perhaps having a less-advanced theme that supports IE5.5 would be appropriate for users that really want to support IE5.5 on their sites would be a solution. Or, we could have a graceful degrade of the theme so IE5.5 users get less or no styling. And, of course, you're always free to create your own theme that works in IE5.5.
Regards,
John
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IE 6 too...
I have a client who is complaining that her site looks all screwed up. She told me that she is using Internet Explorer, but didn't tell me the version. When I asked her to tell me what it said in "Help>About IE" she said it was 6.0. I told her she should upgrade to the latest version which is 7.0 for security reasons or give Firefox a try.
She brought up a valid point, and said that, visitors to the site might have the same problem and would like to see if it can be corrected without having to update browsers, etc. I'm currently awaiting the results from "BrowserShots.org" to see what this thing looks like for her, but the way she described it was that the right sidebar was be loaded on the left side of the page way way way down below the last block on the left sidebar.
Any information or help would be great.
Thanks,
Chris
I.T. Consultant by day... Drupal developer all the time.
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IE 6 v. 7
I am setting up a site based on Zen and I am having a similar problem. It looks great in Firefox 2 and IE7, but with IE6 the right column shows up either under the left or middle column (different for different pages).
I need to correct this because IE6 still represents the majority of browsers visiting my site (most of my clients are non-profit organizations). The latest stats for browsers hitting my site are:
Explorer-v6 50%
Explorer-v7 21%
Firefox-v2 17%
Firefox-v1.5 9%
(Safari, Netscape, and AOL make up the other 3%).
Different Issue
What you're both discussing in relation to IE6 is a different issue than what we are discussing here. We're talking about IE5.5 (ONLY) and the Garland theme and whether it makes sense to bother still supporting it.
As a theme creator you should ABSOLUTELY still be supporting IE6 even though it's CSS is horribly broken. To not support it would be irresponsible to your client and/or site users. But, as I mentioned, it is unrelated to the topic at hand. You should start a new topic for your issues.
Want some portable apps? Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice.org, Gaim, etc.
I'm very late to get in on
I'm very late to get in on this conversation;) But I think Garland should degrade gracefully for unsupported browsers, i.e. don't attempt the layout, just show text without the CSS & inform users they should upgrade, rather than leaving them in the dark with a broken layout.
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