By carlmcdade on

I lack the patience for this really. Disorganization, lack of information from those "in charge" really puts me in a bad mood. That and I have yet to get my community online using Drupal. It is a constant up uphill battle against bug after bug after bug. Well I don't know if they are bugs or if it is just ineptness on my part because I can't find any information on how things are supposed to work. Sure there are plenty of kind hearted people around here giving a good effort to help. But they can never say anything difinative like "this is exactly what's wrong do this...".

So I have a question before I continue to beat my head against the wall. Do you have a clean install of Drupal 4.5 up and running in a multi-user, multi-role, public (not intranet) enviroment on a typical web host?

A show of hands will do (in this case since I can't see anyone, a simple yes or no will do).

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nevets’s picture

nevets commented

I know you want a simple yes or no but the real answer is a qualified yes,

In the file includes/database.mysql.inc there is a function called db_next_id() that relies on the ability to do a LOCK TABLE which our service provider does not allow (at least by default). Short term we are running with the line with LOCK TABLE and UNLOCK TABLES commented out. With the two lines things work fine.

Tomorrow I will call the service providered and see id they will allow the lock table or not, If not I have a suggested work around that I am to see if it is possible.

grohk’s picture

grohk commented

I have a testbed site running at proscenium.org and it is almost bone stock.

What is it that you need help with exactly?

Steven’s picture

Steven commented

Drupal.org is multi-user, multi-role (admins, maintainers, regular users, anon users).

MikeA-1’s picture

MikeA-1 commented

I have been part of the Mambo community for the past 4 or 5 weeks. I've been looking for something to wrap around a website that I am developing. I have been working with Mambo for about 4 weeks and it is the same there. It is the nature of the beast I guess. Mambo has things I like and Drupal has things I like. I think Mambo's user presentation is better and easier. I love Drupal's roles and permissions. Neither has adequate documentation. But I am sure volunteer teams are working very hard to get a manual together. I know they are on Mambo as I am part of that team. What I will say is that I never had to wait a long for answers to questions. So while docs lack in both CMS', at least I could get answers quickly from Mambo developers and others setting it up. With no manual and not as quick help here, I am suffering more. Modules go in easier here but Mambo has many more modules covering more areas.

Sooooo -> six of one, half a dozen of the other. Maybe I just need to keep searching to find a DrupalMambo CMS, the best of both worlds!

Mike

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carlmcdade commented

I just need to be able to install the basics and have them work. First it was the the platform , PHP5 so I switched. Then it was the release with bugs so I switched. Now don't know what the heck is going on. I have done a totall of 15 clean installs, configured a vocabulary and roles. then when I go in and start testing user capability WHAM!!! This does not work that does not work and there is no help in getting it to work because no one knows why it is not working. I seriously doubt even the developers know why it is not working.

As far as PHPnuke and the rest are concerned there is a major difference. The community. When something in PHPnuke or Mambo does not work then it gets thrown on the scrap heap until it does work. But in the case of Drupal it seems that the core is what is not working. The thing with Mambo and PHPnuke and the like is that the basic core is solid and working. It is easy to install an will run without nit picking it along from the first. I can't say this about Drupal. The only thing good about a Drupal install is that it goes quickly. So at least you can do it over and over without using up too much time. Today I am actually going to take the day off from work to see if I can nail at least one good working install on some web host.

Yes, I really want my install to be like Drupal.orgs. Working. But since I am not the developer of the software those hopes groundless. I am sure that Dries and Company can get any install to work. But can an everyday developer type do it? Maybe not. But if you want to prove otherwise you have to have proof. What I want to see is another community like Drupals using 4.5 that is working!!!!

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codepoet’s picture

codepoet commented

Carl, Mac Geekery (http://www.macgeekery.com) is one Drupal-based site with a number of users that is working. Also, MacMegaSite (http://www.macmegasite.com) is another Drupal-based site that is working (and has been for longer than I've run MG).

If you have specific questions, symptoms, or problems, please let me know and I'll do what I can to help.

code poet (on) mac geekery (blip) com

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eveltman commented

This site just went live with Drupal. Not yet much community activity though. I didn't run into much problems getting it up and running on a typical and very cheap hosting provider.

Bèr Kessels’s picture

Bèr Kessels commented

whats wrong:
you are rude. Very Rude.

do this:
RTFM. Or at least be patient, try, and most of all: be polite.

carlmcdade’s picture

carlmcdade commented

I think you are confusing manners with honesty and forthrightness. No need to take anything personally.

With a tip from Andrew I have managed to get things to the point of working if I don't screw with the install too much.

It also helped seeing that MacGeekery was up and running with the same items that I needed to work on my own site.
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sepeck commented

The phrasing of all your questions and comments certainly all seem designed to generate a negative reaction on the part of the reader. And no, I do not see them as honest and forthright, I see them as aggressive and, well.........

Many people have responded to various of your posts. I, a non-developer have been able to successfully get several Drupal site's up and running on a Windows server of all things in a repeatable fashion. None of my sites are community based site's so I won't bother you with details. Mine tend to be the corporate brochere, little non-profit and personal weblog stuff that you are obviouly not interested in. They are designed for someone other than me to log in and maintain the content, so the permissions thing seems to be working out.

However, when you learn enough of Drupal I look forward to seeing your contributions in documentation and assisting others in the forums.

-sp

-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
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gde commented

I can understand the frustration somebody must feel after installing, reinstalling and clean installing Drupal over and over again.

I once made a mistake and mailman sent out a message that shouldn't be sent out to almost a 1000 subscribers. One person got extremely upset and wrote me an email with stuff that isn't appropriate for this community to read (or any other for that matter).

For once I did something smart and tried to figure why he sent that message. I reasoned that it couldn't be because of the email message, no it must have been for other reasons.

I wrote him an email apologizing and explaining why it happened and that I would make sure that this shouldn't happen again.

(Of course) He replied telling me that he had a bad start of the week etc and that he regretted being so harsh. We actually met physically less than half a year later and got a good laugh reminding each other of the first time we met (on the net)!

This medium has the great disadvantage that writing is the only way for me to interact with the rest of you. But sometimes we post our message to quickly or we just have had a bad experience and need quick a defuse.

I agree with the statement "be polite" but it is a two way street and a mutual commitment.

What I've written has been expressed much more clearly and in greater detail in this rfc:
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html.

Make it good day :-)

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carlmcdade commented

I am the kind of person that will read a 1500 page techncal manual through and through until I get it. As long as that manual available.

I don't post without taking two to four days of using the available docs and hunting Google like a maniac. If still can't find anything then I start in on the fine graular information. The one liners that fall through the cracks. If anyone can remain in a good mood after not finding answers via this method then I give them credit for being around to keep hot heads like me under control.

I did start this thread off in a bad mood and I said so. As far as my agressive manner, well I teend to be aggressive when I am working. this is not a hobby or free time for me so I have to be aggressive in order to make something of it. Sitting on my thumbs and nodding will not pay the rent. But the trade off is that I write everything down. So information will be leaking into the documentation as I go over it to organise a methodology to getting Drupal going. I have already started to do some translations and added in some info on using Poedit.

Another reason that my questions may seem agressive is because I don't believe in formulating questions in a manner that is not searchable. The title of a thread should be direct and to the point to keep people from wasting their time trying to guess what lies behind that " Please help me with this.." . To me that is a waste of five good places for an informative title.

So the only thing I can do is give a blanket apology now and hope that it last until you get to know me ;)
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