Should Ubercart still be used or should Drupal Commerce be adopted

i really do not like how
the "commerce guys" use the "accumulated download numbers of commerce
AND Ubercart" with far more downloads for Ubercart on their site.
that most part of the numbers is because of Ubercart you see only when
you hover over the numers on the commerceguys website...looks like
they're adorning themselfes with borrowed/bought plumes to me...

Thanks for pointing that out. Wasn't expecting to see them using Ubercart downloads as part of their own info relating to CG and DC.

I think it is good, there is more than 1 choice for doing e-commerce with Drupal
and competition is leading to innovation, but i would prefer to keep it fair.

Yah competition is good and does lead to innovation which benefits all users as long as one of the sides doesn't talk junk about the other. If you have a better product it will speak for itself.

The number on the site reflects the total number of e-commerce sites powered by Drupal. We still service clients on Ubercart sites, even as we try to migrate all of our work to Commerce. Please keep in mind that Commerce Guys contributed to and supported Ubercart as a company for two years before embarking on developing Commerce, and I was the lead developer and project maintainer of both Ubercart 1.x and 2.x (and a host of contributed modules that I'm in the process of passing on).

It's good that TR and longwave have committed themselves to helping Lyle get Ubercart 3.x out, and I wouldn't represent their work as my own. However, I don't see anything unfair about Commerce Guys promoting how many people are choosing Drupal for their e-commerce sites using aggregate statistics, whether it's from the project we used to maintain or the project we currently do. : )

I suppose if it really mattered, we could subtract Ubercart 3.x numbers from the total. The main thing to broadcast is that Drupal is ready for business in e-commerce. Ultimately that benefits everyone, including people still using Ubercart, e-Commerce, Pay, or even just the Amazon Store / LM PayPal. As I present at Cons / Camps, our vision is to build and promote Drupal as the number one open source e-commerce platform in the world, and right now that includes Ubercart - which I still recommend to people who need modules only available on Drupal 6.

no follow button?

Nobody needs to suffer and complain... they can just be patient (or chip in!) and understand that we were well aware of the difficulties this would create before they discovered them. : ) See for example the UX strategy post from a sprint in January.

There's also more communication that needs to be done on the architecture itself, as evidenced by your understanding of products as "multiple nodes." There's no such thing going on - rather, Drupal 7 allows you to create and use different types of entities besides just nodes to describe and display your data. If I'm not mistaken, Ubercart itself is using this for its Order data, just like Commerce does.

The usability initiatives on top of the base architecture are already moving forward. There are administration helper modules like Commerce Bulk Product Creation, Commerce Inline Product Form, and Commerce Feeds / Commerce Migrate. We're moving forward, though, not backward... so you won't see any return to a wedding of the product data with node data. It's simply not necessary on Drupal 7 any more, and I'll try to increase the communication about why this is important.

Don't worry, though... it's not like we are oblivious to the issues it creates for the ubiquitous small merchant. We've known this will be problematic for new users since the inception of the project, but we're convinced the architecture is important for small merchants - especially those who hope to become larger merchants some day - and not just those who are already large. Determining, planning, and implementing the best solutions while doing all the other work involved in building out a complete e-commerce framework just takes the non-ubiquitous time. I'm just as frustrated by the pace of things as new users are with their initial experience. : )

One thing that really helps is for new users to start with a Commerce Kickstart installation. I've recently updated the Commerce project page to make this more apparent. I'm personally very hopeful for the Inline Product Form, as it essentially reproduces the experience of Ubercart while maintaining a separation of data, but I had to prioritize shipping over that because everyone seems to need shipping, too. ; )