Drupla 1 - Mambo/Joomla Dead???
I'm the last person to change, but if it means improvements, then I'll be the first.
On with the show. This is not to diss anyone, this are just my thoughts. I have much respect for the teams. Emir, Joomla And Mambo Developer Networks, Jason Murphy, MamboHut, much appreciated for the lessons.
Will I be wrong to say that Mambo and Joomla is dying?. We have new features internally, but over the last three to five years years, I have used the same components over and over again, and same modules. Divorce is nightmare and Mambo and Joomla was the worst. While I don't really know much about the beef, I am finally happy to convert. This is my home. Drupal. Mambo and Joomla have gone commercial. Within two years (and I wrote this before) Joomla and Mambo will be fully commercial. You will only get basic components and mods for free. Everything else, no longer GPL. But is not about cost. Its about what opensource stands for. Why pay for something, that is stuffed up, and can't fix it cause of Zend?
Mambo and Joomla pretty much have the same codebase. Ironically, Mambots on joomla (ha ha ha). I waited for Joombots but that never came. But the codebase to me is still pretty much the same. One component here and there. Someone writes, I will not support Mambo or I will not support Joomla. Sad part is that Joomla was left bankrupt of developers, Joomla which was fighting commercialism (if that exists) pretty much ended in a pile. Sad.
Drupal is fairly lunky overall compared to Joomla, but darn it, a million and one extensions. I am definitely pushing up my budget so that I can swallow many modules, and improve them. Over e107, this is it. Drupal is very very hard to work. Last week, I lauched a beta of my site on Joomla, and this week, I will re-release the Beta in Drupal. Drupal is like a big whip. Heavy, but works. The code relies too much on other bits. Only advantage I can think is in the principle of Reusable code. It has its advantages, but in my truest opinion, other than where applicable, every module should be independent. Makes development harder, but may improve improvement.
Can we make the UI simpler? There is like different controls like on a whole level. Or maybe I am just spoilt by Mambo and Joomla. Broadband permitting, my site will be inviting you guys on in about 18 hours.
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Kahenya (www.kahenya.com)
Other site in about 18 hours.
It has its advantages, but
The main reason I didn't go for joomla and chose dupal, was because in Joomla, lots of module where so independent, that they had their own user data and such, forcing the user to register and login for several different modules. Insane . I might have well installed different softwares from different brands and reach the same result.
The main strength of Drupal is standardization. When you install a module, it completely integrates in drupal in a standardized logic.
There are countless advantages to this. This is why drupal is a true CMS, not just a buch of disparate modules.
You will learn with practice, to appreciate Drupal integration.
Brakkar
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Hell yeah!!!
Modules add functionality to a site. When those same modules integrate with each other it adds a whole new level functionality. It allows you to have a tighter control over your content. Any other way doesn't make sense to me. no disrespect to anyones work, but I think totally independent modules are of a one dimension way of thinking. If Drupal developers ever tried that, well, ever heard AC/DC Dirty deeds done dirt cheap?
The first CMS I tried was Mambo, I was never impressed by it. When I first tried Drupal it confused the hell out of me, but at that point I barely knew what ftp was. After 3 months I had a smooth site rolling.
I can't say Drupal is the best CMS out their but since since I have been using Drupal I've never had to look anywhere for a CMS to do whatever I want to do.
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Can we make the UI simpler?
You might want to take a look at the Control Panel Module.
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Joomla! 1.5 and cross-pollination
I was under the impression that Joomla 1.5 was meant to bring Joomla back in the race as far as technical underpinnings and modularity goes. In any case, it shows Joomla is well aware that true modularity like Drupal has is a great asset to a CMS.
The cross-pollination goes the other way too: many of the UI and installation improvements in Drupal 5 were inspired by Joomla, and there is talk of adopting a similar mechanism that Joomla uses to FTP files to itself, in a future Drupal version.
I have no experience with actually using Joomla to set up a real site (and which free or commercial modules/components/mambots you'd need for that), but we do keep track of each other's development. Plus, the Joomla and Drupal core devs have met several times at events, and the resulting interaction has always been fun.
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Never tried Mambo and
Never tried Mambo and Joomla, but i looked at their web site, pretty neat templates to me, i did some more research, somehow i ended in Drupal's web site, i felt like home. I browse, and browse. I was a hard decision. I come from a CF community. I thing the word that strike me was, "Why reinvent the wheel?", said an article somewhere....
Yes, it's hard to learn Drupal, but once you get the basics, its up to you to improve that basics. I almost gave up myself.
So, spend sometime doing: test test, practice practice - it'll pay off.
Now with D5, things get a bit easier.
Youfolder.com
Share what's in your folder for the Hispanic community in Canada.
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Any substantial and major disruption to a community that pulls it's primary contributors away from work on coding (such as building out an infrastructure, agreeing on rules of conduct, getting tolls built and setup elsewhere) will take a toll on progress. This type of disruption is far more lasting then one plans for.
I am sure that the Joomla development community will continue to recover and we will continue to swipe ideas from each other for years to com. That said, I'm glad I'm using Drupal. :D
-Steven Peck
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Test site, always start with a test site.
Drupal Best Practices Guide -|- Black Mountain
expressionengine
Not to hate on drupal, but I tried them all - drupal, joomla, mambo, textpattern, MT. None, and I mean None can compare to the power, and ease of use of expression engine. I'm not a full fledged programmer, just a guy that knows a LITTLE php. EE is so nice to use it sick.
Try the free version and see if you like. the Full version will cost you $100 for a personal license and 250 for a business license. But for what a few hamburgers costs - its WORTH every penny. For a while I beat my head for months until I found EE (then pmachine).
I can't stress enough for you to try it. Good solid base of features, plus great free plugins and modules.
Check it out - www.expressionengine.com.
Also, I'm not a ee employee. Just a person that needed an good, easy, but powerful PHP CMS. If you know CSS and HTML, you can use EE.