Or if not, are there any plans to support IPB instead of the included forums?
Thanks!

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killes@www.drop.org’s picture

Whatever IPB is, I have not heard that Drupal supports it. There are also no plans to use some other forum software instead of Drupal's forum module. it doesn't make sense from the point of view of most developers.

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Lineman-at-lineman.net’s picture

I'm sure it's possible, but that is unlikely to be made available here.

battochir’s picture

I have read a bit here about people wanting to replace Drupal's BB system with other systems or integrate other systems here. Why? Most BB systems are bloated, difficult to navigate, and have a learning curve for those not familiar with computers. Drupal's is lightweight and achieves it's goal of easy communication between members. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to assign each registered user a personal forum upon registration http://drupal.org/node/13475 like a blog. Deacon, out of curiosity, why do you wish for an IPB forum integration.

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Wolfe’s picture

Well that's your opinion. There's alot of indeviduals out there who like they're forums in a different fassion then you. Someone should atleast build an alternative so that we have another option.

killes@www.drop.org’s picture

"Someone should build"

No further comments needed.
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mattyg’s picture

What's the problem there?

Michelle’s picture

That comment is over 4 years old. I dont' think killes even reads the forums anymore. But he more than likely meant that "someone should" never gets anywhere. "someone should" is generally said by people who aren't interested in actually solving the problem themselves. While there's nothing wrong with vague wishes, nothing is likely to happen with them.

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chris h’s picture

The reason why there should be an easy integration with IBP or vBulletin or any other major forum software engine is quite simple: to preserve an existing database of messages and users. Right now I can't consider Drupal because there is apparently no way to import my vBulletin database of 13,000 members, 34,000 discussion topics and 243,000 message board posts. I'm not going to ask my members to re-register nor can I "archive" our existing message database -- both of these actions are equal to killing a community.

Now I don't know the first thing about programming. But I would happily pay an experienced Drupal coder for the ability to either seemlessly import a vBulletin database into Drupal's forum system, or integrate vBulletin itself with Drupal so that my existing community membership does not have to re-register.

CH

Lineman-at-lineman.net’s picture

You can convert a database without integrating another package. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Ask PHP-Nuke.

killes@www.drop.org’s picture

There is always some way to transform one database into another database. It is just so that nobody yet has sought for this way. Most Drupal developers just use Drupal and therefore don't need a transformation script.

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Dries’s picture

The reason why there should be an easy integration with IBP or vBulletin or any other major forum software engine is quite simple: to preserve an existing database of messages and users. ... I'm not going to ask my members to re-register nor can I "archive" our existing message database -- both of these actions are equal to killing a community.

Right on. You're absolute right, however, most of use are determined to improve Drupal's forum module. We are not interested in (migrating to) IBP, vBulletin or phpBB. It is safe to say that IBP/vBulletin/phpBB integration is not going to happen unless someone like you (who has a large IBP, vBulletin or phpBB forum) is going to put some time or money in it. If so, there are two possible scenarios:

  1. Make Drupal and IPB/vBulletin/phpBB co-exist.
  2. Migrate your data to Drupal and dump IPB/vBulletin/phpBB.

The former might buy some additional features and will be less of a 'shock' for your community. The latter gets you better integration and less upgrade/maintenance woes. I think most Drupal developers would opt for 2 because we value consistency and integration.

K-Surf’s picture

So now, 2 years afterwards, can we make Durpal and IPB forum co-exist ???

It's possible to have one members login connection (simultaneous in drupal and ipb forum) ?

to have only one members'page ?

executex’s picture

Yes your post was 3 years ago, when you said "improve Drupal's forum module"...
HAHAHAHA

It took 3 years, and Drupal's forum module doesn't even TOUCH IPB or VBulletin. Perhaps it is more secure, or built-in to drupal, but it is not even close to IPB, PHPBB3, or VBulletin. It's so horrible, I can't describe it, I have many drupal sites, and I wouldn't dare use it.

What happened, 3 years and you haven't improved it much have you?

Instead, it would have taken you maybe 2 weeks at most, to integrate them. When I have time, I will make this module myself :), since I know PHP very well. But also having a job making large programs in C++ and running many of the drupal sites I have, it's pretty hard.

Don't get me wrong, I love Drupal, but let's face it, the forum needs a lot of work and improving.

IPB module is pretty simple, just create some options, integrate the registration, integrate the cookie, integrate the login, and then integrate Custom-Profile mod of Drupal into custom-profile options of IPB. Same goes for Vbulletin, but vBulletin kinda sucks because it gets easily hacked.

I think the reason there hasn't been a module however, is maybe as simple as IPB hashing passwords with md5(md5($password) + md5($salt)), and Drupal doing something different, so passwords are kinda different, and some other things like cookies are hard to fix up. However, there are work arounds like, when registering the IPB, just re-md5 the passwords using IPB's script. Plus, I recommend you start off simple, like Just integrate registration, and let each site login themselves maybe.

daniel.hunt’s picture

It took 3 years, and Drupal's forum module doesn't even TOUCH IPB or VBulletin. Perhaps it is more secure, or built-in to drupal, but it is not even close to IPB, PHPBB3, or VBulletin. It's so horrible, I can't describe it, I have many drupal sites, and I wouldn't dare use it.

What happened, 3 years and you haven't improved it much have you?

You know - drupal is fuelled by the community. If you (or someone else that is actually capable of writing advanced PHP code) aren't willing to submit the changes to the module yourself, then nothing will every get done.
As it happens, there's a group set up to try to get the forum module into the realm of acceptable-to-the-masses, as well as my own uieforum module that I started writing some time ago.

executex’s picture

But I really have absolutely no time to try. I still find it hard to believe that such a high caliber CMS has trouble making a forum like IPB or vbulletin. Do the developers really have something better to work on?

daniel.hunt’s picture

Not everyone (that is skilled enough to do it) is interested in developing a bigger forum system. The newsgroup style system that drupal ships with is, for many, their ideal forum system.

:)

executex’s picture

Well I encourage anyone to give it a try. It shouldn't be too hard, just make sure you leave the option of being able to use both databases. Otherwise the best way is to use IPB Database as the Drupal user database.

CompShack’s picture

More than 4 years since this post has been made and drupal forums still lacking. Anyone knows of a bridge between IPB and Drupal?

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ScoutBaker’s picture

I haven't seen such a thing. Apparently those who voiced the loudest opinions haven't been motivated any more than the "developers" to perform such work.

There are numerous modules that can be used to enhance the default forum module. You might start with Advanced forum and go from there.

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Michelle’s picture

Well, nearly 2 years ago, executex laughed at us and said he'd make a bridge. Maybe you should ask him.

Lots of people like to bitch about Drupal's forums. Not many are actively working on improving them.

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CompShack’s picture

Michelle, I know the hard work you are putting into making drupal forums thousand times better. I'm not bitching, its just a fact that drupal forum is just lacking. I'm sorry i can't "actively work on improving them", i'm just not a PHP guy.

I'm thinking about IPB not only for its advanced forum but also its IP.Blog module. Drupal blog module is also lacking (sorry) and according to this thread http://drupal.org/node/233301 we will not be seeing any enhancements to it, that is if it even stayed a core module!

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ScoutBaker’s picture

That issue is marked 'won't fix' which means it's not leaving core any time soon. (After that much discussion, I don't think it will be revived for D7).

The thing that everyone asking for "features" or "integration" seems to forget is that (most) of the development for such modules is done on a volunteer basis. If someone can't do it themselves, then they need to find someone with the ability, and the passion, to make it happen. IPB integration seems to have failed in this regard.

The other option is to pay someone to write the integration. I haven't seen anything posted on drupal.org about this, so again, those who want, don't appear to have tried very hard to find a solution over the last few years.

EDIT: This isn't to say that you won't get any movement on this topic, but it may take significantly more work than you anticipated. A couple of comments on long-dead posts does not usually yield positive results from what I've seen on the site.
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Brad Beattie’s picture

I've been working on a database conversion script between a heavily customized vBulletin instance into Drupal. Why haven't I just tried using/building an integration solution?

http://www.cognitivesandbox.com/node/1097

Long story short, integration is bad. I won't repeat what I wrote in that blog entry, but all the points are covered there.

Michelle’s picture

Good post. I think there are some exceptions but, generally, the more you can do natively in Drupal the better. That's why I keep working to make forums in Drupal a good solution despite all the people who say I'm just wasting my time and people should use "a real forum".

Thanks for the link.

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WorldFallz’s picture

Since most of those saying "you're wasting your time" and "people should use a real forum" never contribute anything toward realizing their opinion I say -- who cares, ignore them.

And I'm not referring to those people actually contributing forum bridges and/or integration modules or code (who generally don't complain and simply create what they need). I'm talking about those that periodically parachute into the d.o forums complaining loudly and often about drupal's core forum but are unwilling to do anything about it.

I know you're not fishing-- but you're doing an amazing job Michelle. Don't let apathetic naysayers dissuade you. The single purpose forum is so 90's -- an integrated forum is indispensable and you've gotten drupal's probably 95% of the way there.

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Michelle’s picture

No fishing, but thanks. :) I wouldn't say 95%, though. LOL! My to do list is long. But, by the end of this month, I'll have a 1.0 release that will cover most of what the average forum needs.

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Sophia’s picture

I just stumbled across this post - Michelle, we have recently upgraded a game forum to Drupal in its entirety, using advanced_forum among many other mods, and it simply ROCKS. In fact, we like it so much, that we are now considering migrating our OTHER game forum from Invision to Drupal as well. And that is saying a lot, since we have a bought a perpetual licence and can upgrade IPB forever, for free.

The only problem we have is the conversion, as you are all well aware of there is no good way to do it. I tried IPB 2.3.6 -> PhpBB (both 2 and 3) -> Drupal 6, but so far no luck... too many errors to get it working. Either the members refuse to port over, or the posts, or the comments... always something. But I'll keep trying and hopefully will find a solution soon. Unfortunately our IPB board is fairly modded, so I am not sure if there even is a standard solution.

Drupal, PLUS its forum, are the best!

mradcliffe’s picture

If you know how to code I'd take a look at some of the other import modules out there and craft your own. I wrote a wordpress 1.5.2 (note the version) import module the other day.

Basically assuming you have a users, profiles, topics, comments, etc... tables imported into your drupal database you should be able to match things up and then use drupal's API functions like node_save(), comment_save(), etc... to do the rest after you format a node or comment object/array.

I kind of modeled things after migrate though I could not use that because it's not ready for production sites at all.

CompShack’s picture

>> using advanced_forum among many other mods

would you mind listing what other mods you are using with drupal forums?