Offensive user name

I would agree is inappropriate

longer quote

Can you guys motivate this?

Some toughts from irc:
<-- chx (~chx@drupal.org/user/9446/view) left #drupal-contribute ("Konversation terminated!")
>ClusterFCK< most people laugh when they see me, this is the 'first time' ... sorry chx :(
>timverly< it'd be better if you were a contributor to the FCKEditor module. ;)
>ClusterFCK< good one timverly ;) ghehe
>ClusterFCK< it's okay for a module to have such a name, just not for a person
>timverly< submit a few patches, then you're legit :)
>ClusterFCK< already done > http://drupal.org/project/user_registrationpassword and more
for aes even
and some others
>timverly< oh, i meant for FCKEditor - if it's not out of date by now
>ClusterFCK< (just starting to feel i can do this (code for drupal) getting on a level i can really contribute and now at this moment my name could become an issue. life is odd sometimes.) and maybe i will some day timverly :)
>timverly< that is strange.
>ClusterFCK< or karma :/
who knows
>hefox< FCK editor is named after an external library; I cant think of any other meaning for that username than the obvious. I don't care personally, but it does look to be against the IRC guidlines and so, if respecting those guidelines, it'd be good to change it.
>ClusterFCK< hefox, i know 2 admins @ FN. they also dont see it as a problem. but i guess it has a lot to do with what kind of things people say and how they wheel something, like a name. (this is really the first time ever this has been brought up, but okay, we'll see what happens, i'm not that big that i 'need' this name, it just wasnt in use yet, + got a drupal account named like this, git, skype, irc, drupalgardens, etc. but if it's an issue i'
m willing to change it. (but that really needs descent arguments)
>ClusterFCK< (and im not here for this, im here 2 learn and Code / contribute back, etc, read previous statements about that)

Look at this to know why "FCK Editor" had to change its name:
http://cksource.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9711

Cluster: I don't personally care but if it offends someone, why not just change it instead of having it forced upon you?

'And, I was helping timverly with git and a new project which you stopped. Just FYI.'

I just entered a room, i didn't stop Anything. @chx. You leave 3 times without even talking about this... (this is not why i'm here... and i also told you already i'm willing to change it) (but don't say I stopped something, that's just not true.)

Edit:
I even LEFT the channel because you are offended by my name...

-chx- ClusterFCK: it's not enough, nowhere near enough
-chx- ClusterFCK: One, I am the Drupal group contact towards freenode, two, I am a Drupal.org webmaster.As long as you keep this nick on any of those, this is not over.
-chx- ClusterFCK: I love contributors, I help them wherever I can but this is simply not acceptable because it might offend others. I do not give, welll, a fuck, but it might offend others.
>ClusterFCK< if you feel it's a problem / want to make it a big deal. go ahead. that's not why i have this name, nor my intention. if you feel offended, lets see how that issue plays out...
@ chx
>ClusterFCK< your the first chx. the first ever.
>chx< We will see.
>chx< Of course because I speak up where others dont.
>ClusterFCK< number 1 that brought it up, so indeed, we'll see
>ClusterFCK< others speak up with things like (and i quote) 'amayzing' 'crazy' 'you know your stuff' 'laughed about your name' ...
<-- chx (~chx@drupal.org/user/9446/view) verliet #drupal ("Konversation terminated!")
>ClusterFCK< and like i posted to the issue, i'm also willing to change it

... (almost speechless)

kirby14 like i stated above, willing to, not a huge problem. but got git, skype, twitter, drupalgardens, etc, etc, all named like this. this is the first time ** ever ** this is a problem, we'll see what happens.

Again, willing to change it, but cant change my git username (and give me some time to think about a new name IF it's decided i need to change it / if people see it as a good thing.) But mayority rules: most people laugh or similar when they see my name... and i won't change it for only 1 person. so we'll see, we'll see.) (even got a couple of (developer)friends with this name. So it's all perspective / etc etc. (even got a job with this name, so some people won't like it, most people like it, some people love it enough to hire me for a job. what's the right thing to do? I REALLY do not know.(that's why i just left the channel))

I'm not going to go there, also: can we please just talk about this chx? Without you starting this? (like adults?) (already stated i'm willing to change it, left a channel, so you could continue. it's your choice to start this and to continue like you are now... up to you...) (mail me, get some voice program, get to know me before you pass judgement please.) (last comment, then i'll leave this issue for what it is (and respect the outcome), cause it's costing both of us time... (that's also why i left the channel)(again))

He's been a member of the community for quite some time and this is the first time this has come up, I'm putting in my 2c that this is overblown. Your average geek gets the humour in the name, and this is a community with no shortage of geeks in it.

chx, while you're busy analyzing all of ClusterFCK's responses to put them in the worst light possible, you should analyze your own use of language.

You started off hostile and combative. Instead of explaining your problem and providing a gentle request, you immediately demanded a change. Any response has been met with escalated hostility.

You are, IMO, making the community look bad. Regardless of what we might think of the nick, it is best to start these issues off circumspect. Did you bother asking anyone else's opinion before you made demands?

Also, your comparison to the various defenses of sexism fails: That particular nick is not targeting any person or group of persons.

if this issue ever closes favorably to the O.P., you'll have a LOT of work on drupal.org: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22FCK%22+site%3Adrupal.org
and a lot more: http://drupal.org/user/421452 http://drupal.org/user/351505 http://drupal.org/user/183893 http://drupal.org/user/912308 ... why pick on a guy who seems interested in contributing to drupal for such a small matter who might not even relate to what you think it does?

I suppose I should offer an opinion on the nick itself, though the problem is that I'm somewhat on the fence about it.

I think the nick itself is a joke in relatively poor taste, and probably not appropriate in a professional environment. That said, I don't find it so offensive that we should force a change.

On the other hand, I would politely ask that the nick be changed anyway, in order to facilitate a more cooperative atmosphere. But that is just my personal opinion.

'And, I was helping timverly with git and a new project which you stopped. Just FYI.'

I think its absurd to say that a person simply joining a channel prevents you from helping a completely different person. This type of behavior and posturing just reeks of "I'm going to take my ball and go home." Even more hilarious is engaging in explicit vulgarity in the process of calling someone out on a reference to something vulgar.

Honestly, once someone has become a contributor in a community and has been around for almost 4 years, its much more difficult to change all of the related nicks. What if someone told merlinofchaos that his name was offensive because it referenced magic, or chaos which "sounds like devil worship". What if someone said "Hey, chx is short for chicks and I think that is demeaning to women."

Offense is taken, it is not given. We can't prevent people from being offended. Personally as long as the *behavior* is acceptable and the name is not overtly racist / bigoted / vulgar, I don't see how I can make much out of this.

chx: considering that you seem to be a big fan of the "wtf" moniker, I am rather surprised that you'd be offended by that username.

Having been helped by ClusterFCK on a module of mine, I can only say he has been a quite polite, helpful and willing person, not a badass joker or something, but a serious contributor, in the spirit of the community.

TBH, although I am French, I think my english is not that bad, and I did not even notice there was something that could be offending in the name (probably FCKeditor played its role in this) - and I still fail to really understand the joke ! Sometimes, there are names that could sound offending in french, but we can't ask them to change their name for that reason, can we ? What if "jide" means something offending in russian ?...

That said, if everyone agrees on this, then I guess its fair to ask him to change his nick, and apparently ClusterFCK himself agrees on this, so at least take into account he is willing to cooperate. I agree with merlin in that the way this is asked is not very gentle...

I must say I'm quite surprised with all this, sounds unusual in here.

I saw some of this in backscroll this morning, and while I agree with merlinofchaos that the username borders on bad taste, I also agree that what I saw from chx did not look like moderation so much as unprovoked hostility. In that light, I can completely understand ClusterFCK's reaction. Here is how the conversation could have gone:

chx: "Hi ClusterFCK. PM?"

(Because there is absolutely no reason this conversation should have taken place in a public channel.)

And in PM:

chx: "Would you be willing to consider changing your username? It's potentially offensive."

ClusterFCK: "Hmm, no one has complained about it before, and I've been contributing."

chx: "Thanks for contributing! My concern not that anyone in particular has complained. It is more that we ask users to avoid swearing in drupal IRC channels to foster a more professional and family-friendly environment. Many of our contributors have small children; some contributors are under 18 themselves; and we like to keep the language in public channels professionally appropriate so that it is acceptable for people to use IRC at their offices."

ClusterFCK: "Alright, I can understand that. I'll use a different username on IRC."

http://drupal.org/dcoc#consideration
http://drupal.org/dcoc#respect
http://drupal.org/dcoc#conflict-resolution

I find this interesting because I'm usually oversensitive to foul language but his name didn't bother me at all. Perhaps for the same reason that I use "WTF?" even though I can count on one hand the number of times I have typed or said the actual word in the last 10 years. If the U were in there, I can guarantee the name would bother me. It seems kind of silly that one letter would make such a difference in perception.

I appreciate chx's intent even if the way he went about it wasn't the best. He's standing up for those who may be offended but not willing to step forward and say something. I think he meant well but perhaps can learn something from xjm in #20 on a gentler way to handle it. :)

Michelle

I just saw this user name for the first time in IRC today, and someone brought this issue to my attention. Although this issue has been marked "won't fix", and perhaps the previous approaches taken to address the problem were inappropriate... I would like to offer the following personal sentiments (if possible, consider them independently to what has gone on before):

In spite of the fact that I know about (and have used) the FCK editor, I found that user name to be in extremely poor taste (I also thought the editor's name was offensive, and was not sad when its name was changed). In fact, I personally find that user name so offensive that I am not even willing to type it, and I would find it very difficult to put my aversion aside and work with someone who thought it was a nice joke to choose that as a user name. And my reaction when I saw that user name in IRC earlier today was to leave the channel.

So, I personally would like to request that this user voluntarily be considerate of the feelings of others, and change his user name to something less controversial and offensive. I personally would not have asked the webmasters to forcibly take action to do that; instead, I would just ask the owner of this user name to be a considerate member of the Drupal community, consider others' feelings (really, it's a VERY strong implication of something VERY offensive to some people, including me), and voluntarily choose a different user name.

Thanks for your thoughtful consideration (assuming you're still subscribed to this issue).

Note that for the user in question, English is not his first language (I guess). So it seems that he does not feel the same thing as some others.

*However*, when his username is exposed more, it will become more offensive. Many same things happen. For example, in my country (Vietnam) "Dung" is a beautiful name, but most people that I know automatically change their name to "Dzung" to avoid any offense.

That said, they are not forced to change. They just feel better like that.

ClusterFCK's IRC nick has now been changed to Cluster. Thanks everyone.

Just for the record:

This is a private discussion i had last week on IRC: (where username is the other party)

>username< Hi there
>ClusterFCK< hello
>username< Have a question for you, and have to admit your name attracted me to ask you :-)
>ClusterFCK< alright :)
...

Leading up to a patch for the uc_fees module that offers a way to do a fee once per order line. So this story has more sides (colorfull namespace), but to prevent 'damaging' anything / offending others, i changed my name on IRC.

And i talked on IRC about merging #20 into something existing like http://drupal.org/dcoc#conflict-resolution or creating a new document for this. Looks like it will at least be given some serious tought.