Currently my Drupal's status report states "Drupal 5.3". How accurate is this?

I ask because, I notice my post contents are outdated, they are to what they were prior of my upgrade from 5.2 to 5.3,

I have two site with drupal, one site is fine. No problem. The other site has outdated content.

Can an upgrade cause an "outdate" of content?

If so, why one but not the other?

What's going on here?

Am I currently on 5.2 or 5.3? My post contents suggests 5.2, but my Status Report states 5.3?

Help!

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jason342’s picture

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vm’s picture

it's been explained to you in the past how to figure out versioning: by checking your CHANGELOG.txt and/or the system ID # of the system.module file with that of a fresh download. also see: http://drupal.org/handbook/version-info which has been given to you in the past as well.

moving on from that:
What exactly is "outdated content" ? where does Drupal report this ? and where in post contents does Drupal suggest any kind of core versioning ?

I don't think anyone understands what you are asking, you need to be more clear and use examples.

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jason342’s picture

Ok let me explain it better.

Say,

I made a post Monday.
I upgraded to 5.3 on Wednesday.
I modified and added more stuff to that post on Friday.

Today I find that post to be how it was on Monday (prior to the upgrade) even those I have modified it, after the upgrade.

I don't know when this happened because I only noticed it today. Amongst some other things, such as the name of the site in SIte Information has also been revert back to how it was on monday (prior to upgrade).

So, I looked at my Status Report it says 5.3. But yet the post is of the 5.2 era (before the upgrade) when infact I have modified that post after the upgrade.

This is my question. Now I'm trying to investigate whether my host restored the server which have led to this.

But my status report says 5.3, or is it confused?

But here. it leaves me with this question, am I on 5.2 or 5.3? Because my status report says 5.3 but the content of that post and site infromation details, etc.. is from the 5.2 era. ??

Not everything, just a few things. It's so strange. And only for one site, not the other. Even though both are on same server.

I checked the actual files, they are 5.3 files. So the database is what I am questioning when i say, how smart is the Status Report when it is saying 5.3?

Hope I made sense!?

silverwing’s picture

have you tried running update.php? do you use any revisioning modules?

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jason342’s picture

I don't know how do you mean?

By the way, is there any other way to know that i am on 5.3 other than from the Status Report panel?

kipkoan’s picture

By the way, is there any other way to know that i am on 5.3 other than from the Status Report panel?

Read. Click. Learn.

vm’s picture

it's been explained to you in the past how to figure out versioning: by checking your CHANGELOG.txt and/or the system ID # of the system.module file with that of a fresh download. also see: http://drupal.org/handbook/version-info which has been given to you in the past as well.

If you've already checked the files, what else would you possibly think there is to check ?

have you run update.php after you uploaded the 5.3 files ? after the upgrade ? (same question already asked by another user, just not sure how else to reword it). If you are unsure goto yoursite.com/update.php expand the collapsed menu, are there any drop downs with numbers in them? if not, you are indeed running drupal 5.3. Where your "alleged" changes went between monday and now will remain a mystery as you have no way to prove that these changes were indeed made. That is of course, if you don't have your own backup. which you should mind you.

It's always possible that the host had to do use a DB backup, just because one site is fine and the other is not, doesn't always mean anything unless both DB's are on same mysql server. (whether your's are or not I don't know)

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jason342’s picture

Yeah I did run update.php, after uploading files. I successfully upgraded for sure.

But my question is, if Status Report says 5.3 that means 5.3, right, or possibly Drupal can become confused, etc. That's why I asked how smart was Status Report when it comes to detecting the Drupal version. ?

By the way, by me going to site.com/update.php, wouldn't that be running update.php, for nothing? By nothing i mean, running it when not upgrading the site or a particular module.

isn't this harmful?

vm’s picture

Thats been explained to you before as well. I don't want you to complete the update. You are being told to inspect the drowndowns when getting to update. If your host rolled back the DB , as you claim they may have, Then update.php may in theory need to be run again no? Thus it would only be running it once not twice, as the DB with it already run, would be gone.

If all your dropdowns show 0, specifically system, then you are fully upgraded to 5.3 and Drupal status log is stating this to be true.

But my question is, if Status Report says 5.3 that means 5.3, right

Thats what we are trying to determine aren't we ?

That's why I asked how smart was Status Report when it comes to detecting the Drupal version. ?

A bug can be found at any time, HOWEVER, we need to to proceed with the tasks that have already been set forth.
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jason342’s picture

Ok i will check it this way, for this test do I just put http://www.mysite.com/update.php in browser and press go?

vm’s picture

goto yoursite.com
insure you are logged in
goto yoursite.com/update.php
click the run the database upgrade script link
on the following screen click the Select versions link, which will expand the drop downs
inspect the dropdowns, If they all say no updates available, your installation is updated to 5.3 and working fine.

However, I'd have to believe that your installation is already deemed fine, by the fact that you aren't getting a database schema error in your administer -> status logs

Thus, no one will be able to tell you why modifications you claim to have made have now allegedly disappeared. My guess would be user error and you did not hit submit.

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jason342’s picture

Thanks. Doing the steps you mentioned, does it have any harm to the database whatsoever?

vm’s picture

If it did, i wouldn't have told you to do it.

Direct answer: NO at that stage you haven't even RUN any updates yet. just accessed the script itself.

Please read the threads you start that you obtain answers to. see: http://drupal.org/node/107616 where you asked this exact same question and it was answered at nausea. I'd seriously hate to feel that answering your questions was just a waste of my time because you don't read them in first place.
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jason342’s picture

click the Select versions link, which will expand the drop downs
inspect the dropdowns, If they all say no updates available, your installation is updated to 5.3 and working fine.

VM, can you define "inspect the dropdowns" and "If they 'all' say no updates available"?

I'm confused at what you mean exactly because:
I clicked the Select Versions,
It showed me only two DropDown menus: 'system module' and 'comment module'
Both Dropdown menus has "no updates available" selected.
However, when I click each dropdown menu itself, and look at the list, there is a list of figures in 'system module' (1022, 1021, 1020, etc...)and 'comment module' has a one row in the list (1).

So instead of those list of figures, are they "all" meant to say "no updates available" in the 'system module' and 'comment module' dropdown list ?

vm’s picture

:bangs head on desk:

if the drop down menus (system and comment), when you "first arrived" at the drop downs after expanding the select versions collapsed menu said "no updates available". then there are none. If there were updates to be done, a number would have appeared immediatly. The numbers are there for reasons I'm not going to get into as they will cloud this non problem even further. You only needed to be concerned about the menus when you first arrived at them. I did not state for you to click on the drop downs did I? I merely stated to expand the collapsed menu and inspect them not click on them revealing what's under them.

:wipes blood from face:

the reference to "they all" was simply because I can't possibly know how many you would have. It's dependant upon what modules you have installed. Which is why I tried to have you "FOCUS" on the system drop down in an earlier comment of mine in this thread.

Had you ever looked at them in the past during updates from 4.7 - 5.3 you would have seen the numbers listed "IN" the drop downs at that time. This numbers correlate to the change that have made to the DB at one time or another, both by modules and core. You need not worry about them. They (the numbers) will always remain there, under "no updates available". Seeing no updates available means there are none available to your installation. your DB and the schema match and you aren't missing any DB updates.

:holds ice bag on head:

All that said, You are running version 5.3, there is nothing to else to do.

again I direct your attention to the thread where you've previously been walked through this see: http://drupal.org/node/107616#comment-241380 where I link to a comment of KarenS in that thread see: http://drupal.org/node/107616#comment-186734

You are making this far more difficult for yourself then it needs to be, which I understand is par for the course with most every question you've asked about Drupal.

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jason342’s picture

Thanks VM, and sorry about the head ache. It saved me a restore, as I thought I'm running a 5.2 version, on a very confused database that thinks it's 5.3.

So this must mean the database has not been rolled back, which still begs the question, why the post, site information details, etc... had been modified to have data from prior to the upgrade. But that's not a problem I guess.

Thanks again VM. You were an enormous help, as usual!

Just a last off topic question. I know is important to always upgrade with each release, but if you were to skip one or two release upgrades, can you still upgrade to the a second or third version released upgrade successfully?

Or upgrades must be done in sequence, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4...6.0, 6.1 etc...

can you successfully upgrade from 5.1 to 5.4? or 5.2 to 6.0?

vm’s picture

It is a best practice to insure you are updated to the last minor release before jumping to the next major release.

In other words.
If you were at Drupal 5.2 and Drupal 5.5 and Drupal 6 was out. I would update to Drupal 5.5 Then to Drupal 6.

The above are the steps I take myself. Others have jumped witout trouble. I however prefer to err on the cautious side of updates. Then again, I've not missed a minor release because I am subscribed to the security newsletter. which I highly suggest you do, so you don't miss minor releases either.

can you successfully upgrade from 5.1 to 5.4?

yes, though I'd consider this an update, not an upgrade as the major version isn't changed.

or 5.2 to 6.0?

This in my opinion is the risky move. I'd update to the latest release of 5.x then upgrade to 6.0.

Understand the difference between an update and an upgrade. an update is when you stay in the same major version. An upgrade is when you go up to the next major version. A major verison is depicted by the first number in a version.
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jason342’s picture

Good explanation. Thanks VM!

kipkoan’s picture

I commend your patience, VM. :)

vm’s picture

One of the perks of raising a child. ; )

Although I required 8 stiches : )

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shijmus’s picture

there's one think I hope the log module, there is no total visits
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