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Hi all,
First off, we've had a little bit of excitment over at autowitch.org. First there was the flood. I think the cable that connected autowitch.org to the rest of the world is somewhere in the Arkansas river.
After recovering from the flood damage, the site got hacked. I'm in the process of recovering things now. They made quite a mess.
I was approved for a CVS account, so awTags (and some other things that hopefully you all find useful) will be moving over.
My short term plans for awTags include:
1) Integration with the folksonomy module.
2) Refactoring and splitting the code into different modules instead of one hugeriffic module that does everything.
3) Tag privacy (something that I wish I didn't need to implement, but am finding that I do).
Item 3 is (was?) in testing. Item 2 is (was?) in progress. Item 1 I'm going to need some help on.
Once things get up and running and calm down a bit around here, I will get the latest awTags checked into CVS here.
Remember, backups are your friend.
-aw
Comments
For #1, do you mean
For #1, do you mean integration with folksonomy, or do you mean integration with free tagging (which you can get as a backported patch to 4.6)?
#2 -- yay! and also integrate/take over/whatever the taggelicious module (or whatever the heck it is called)
#3 -- cool...so, per user tags? Interestd in knowing more.
folksonomy
I was planning on hooking into the lower levels of the folksonomy level so that awTags could use the folksonomy database.
I've heard about the free tagging stuff, but with all the weird stuff that's been going on I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. It looks like there has been quite a bit of cool stuff going on around here lately and I would like awTags to play nice with the other modules.
The tag privacy is something we discovered that we need. The folks at awo like to visit some pretty fragile and/or dangerous areas (in some places absurdly dangerous). The people on awo like to tag their pictures with location. The tag privacy would let them make some of their tags (generally ones that are location information) either private to the user or shared with people who have a certain role, while the remaining tags would be public. It was in testing over at the awo test site when we went down. There was a couple of ugly bugs, but it was holding up pretty well.
-aw
I'll be honest and say that
I'll be honest and say that I'm happier with awTags as it currently stands than I am with folksonomy tagging as I've seen it. Perhaps i'm just not familiar with the latest developments in folksonomy, but I don't *want* my tags treated as taxonomies. I want my taxonomy clean and orderly and my tags soupy and varied.
Am I misunderstanding the folksonomy?
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Eaton — Partner at Autogram
Taxonomies
Right now I'm looking at intergrating with the folksonomy database. The version that I have doesn't do anything weird with taxonomies. As soon as awo is alive again, I will get the latest version of folksonomy (and some other tag related modules) and take a look to see what is going inside of them.
I agree with you. I don't want the tags going into the taxonomies. My taxonomies are confusing enough without tags going into them :-)
-aw
agreed
Tying Awtags closer to the Drupal development is a good thing, but please DO NOT change the implementation of tags. I am with Eaton here, I also am not interested in tags being/becoming part of a site taxonomy.
hooking into technorati
Hi aw,
Thanks for a great module. I cannot seem to find my tags in rss or on technorati. Is there a way to display a second line of tags on the page that point to technorati? For some reason I thought these things were available. Can you post a patch if that part of the code is working?
Thanks
jwilde
rss
i haven't traced that problem down yet. It's pretty high up on my list to get resolved. I have to get awo back up on its feet first though (still down).
-aw
I spoke to Technorati
They looked at my site running awTags and they told me that the problem was in the links. They say that <a href="tags/12">tagname</a> won't get indexed.
Firstly you need a rel="tag" attribute, and secondly the last element of the URL path should be the tag name, and not something unconnected like an id. They also said Technorati does not index the text in the link. Following their advice the link becomes <a href="tags/tagname" rel="tag">tagname</a>
Finally, sometimes Drupal spits out PHPSESSID gunk on the end of URLs - Technorati seems to trigger this behaviour when spidering so you need to stop this. I'm sorry that I didn't keep details of how you do this.
I tweaked my awTags to spit out the links in this form, and wonderfully a few hours later my site was getting indexed in Technorati's tag database.
Another issue is that the RSS feeds including tags are not compliant according to Feed Validator since they have relative URLs, not absolute URLs. I have no idea how to fix this.
They recommended that I read: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#Tag_Spaces
-da
did you make a patch?
Hi,
So did you make a patch or can you post the code?
Thanks
Not yet
I've been working on restoring autowitch.org after a series of rather bad things (first floods, then getting hax0r3d). I finally got the site running again last night.
I still have several things that need to be repaired (backup scripts and the like). I'm hoping to be able to get back into awTags towards the beginning of next week.
The patch should be pretty easy to do, it's just being delayed by the things being in pretty ragged shape right now.
With luck, next week I will have awTags moved over to Drupal CVS sometime late next week.
-aw
Hopefully tonight
Hopefully, I will be able to get a patch out tonight. I'm still having a joyous time over at autowitch.org, but things are quite a bit more stable now.
Thanks
We all look forward to it. Sorry to hear about the water problem. Good to see ya back.
take care
Traced down
I've traced down the problem and am working on the fix. It's turning out to be a bit trickier than I thought it would be.
It's worth noting that the
It's worth noting that the PHP SessionID issue is unrelated to awTags. This link has details on the settings.php changes necessary to fix it.
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Eaton — Partner at Autogram
deeper tag browsing
Hi there, Thanks for your awtags module, Im a huge fan of tags. especially delicious.
One of the things I feel would make a big addition to your module would be the ability to browse intersections of tags and to a greater depth. Currently we can only browse one level. then we get presented with the tagged items. This kind of means any power browsing is impossible. It would be nice if one were able to do as per deliicous in when we hit a tag to search, along we get presented with the tag items and alos the related tags, whereupon we can hit a + on a related tag which gives us an intersect of that tag term along with the original. The browser then would show this set of tags, but keep a corresponding list of related items to that intersect, letting us zoom in and out of tags this way is extremely powerful way to navigate and make the awtags module an awesome must have.
Another thing to consider would be the ability to see other tags of users in the same drupal community. just like in delicious. This is a powerful tool because it lets us follow the attention of others, eg if we know that X is an expert on Y, then we can browse the Y tags of mrs X. its also a way to improve the social aspects.
Finally it would be tremendous, (going beyond delicious features) to be able to have x users agree to have a merged tag set. maybe they dont actually merge their own but the system lets them browse as if just their tags were a single set. maybe this should be in conjunction with an OG, ie an organic group would automatically let users browse a tagset comprising the combination of the OG memebrs.
These features may be easy or hard to implement, Im afraid im not a developer. But they will definitely be a huge gain to the drupal platform. personally I feel far too many drupal sites appear to make good use/any use of tags, including Drupal org, your tag module is a great step on the way. the feautures I mention would make it hard for drupal sites to ignore the benefits of your module.
All the best, mark
Knowledge may be the door, but communication is the key
separate taxonomies for tags
Creating two taxonomies will keep your tags away from the traditonal categories. They do merge together into one display of categories. Is that the upsetting part?
I compared the two different tagging options a little while back and since then i've gone from using awtags to using free tagging. All of the awtags abilities, tag clouds, editing, separate display of terms, are sorely missed. So why do I use it?
I use freetagging because it plugs in to Drupals various taxonomy modules easily. taxonomy_dhtml + freetags = fun. If awtags features could communicate with awtags and taxonomy it would be amazing.
Johnvey Hwangs delicious director
Just as alternative thing to consider is this:
http://johnvey.com/features/deliciousdirector/
Its a very cool ajax based interface for del.icio.us. I am wondering if these concepts can be applied to drupal, if it were possible to lad the script via a drupal page of awtags and browse them through a director like interface in the central body of a drupal page , it would gain the extra capabilities for multiple tag browsing & would be a very cool userble app.
on chromatics point, I currently simply want to run with tags, is there any strong reason I would really want to use taxonomy as well.
Rgds, mark