Drupal - what the heck is it>
I love TikiWiki – I’m looking for something that my wife can use on her web sites – Drupal seems kind of interesting. I have a few questions that I can’t seem to get by “playing around” with Drupal:
Does Drupal have a Wiki built in?
I see pages with a “History” and comparing the current version to old ones – yet I don’t see ((page)) or [[page]] anywhere to create new pages – what gives?
Ban users?
Pesky pranksters seems to be all the rage with high-school kids - how do I ban users here? I don’t see how. I need IP, user name, control.
Bad words?
I need a universal bad word filter that keeps the site from becoming a sewer.
Editors?
I see no WYSIWYG editors – do you folks expect users to code in php? How do I add a nice editor to ALL the pages where my users add information?
I'm getting the impression that Drupal might be something my wife can use in a few years when more user friendly features and a real Wiki are added.
Thanks for any info, I don’t really want my wife to have to spend 2 months mastering TikiWiki.
Suggestions:
When installing a new Drupal allow for a sample community to be loaded - that would quickly allow someone reviewing Drupal to see if it is something they can use. Then a simple way to delete the data and start from scratch.
Video of features:
I like the video to install - all geeks should applaud. However, a video of features in a real life installation would be helpful. Pick the best example of how Drupal can shine and then show us how it would work.
Since you love TikiWiki,
Since you love TikiWiki, just use it.
I have read your other forum topics and I think Drupal is not your choice.
Just use one of the other 200 cms you have tested!
The tone in your posted forum messages topics do not invite other people to help you.
I will continue to use
I will continue to use TikiWiki since I can't find anything superior to it - thank you.
This is NOT for me but my wife - TikiWiki is an 800 pound gorilla that takes a lot of usage and knowledge to take advantage of it.
I'm simply asking if the folks at Drupal have ever thought of putting a WYSIWYG in as an editor or if they expect the end user to either have no editing capability or tell them to just use a programmer's editor.
Kind of like the above reply's tone - "take a hike if you don't like it".
Anyway, a simple binary answer (I can talk Geek too) Yes - there is a WYSIWYG editor for the end user or NO - we never thought of that.
My guess is NO - we never thought of that; but that's just an educated guess.
Thanks for any answer(s).....
P.S.
Drupal isn't "Geek" in some foreign language is it? :)
P.P.S.
If there are no editors for Drupal then it is the SOLE CMS out of 200 that I've reviewed that has none - I guess that's a record of some kind.
WYSIWYG
I imagine a lot of people will take your initial post as a troll and ignore you. Keep that in mind.
Walking into a community with a hostile attitude will not garner you much sympathy, nor will saying 'tikiwiki is the greatest thing ever, can Drupal hope to match it?'.
FYI, there are at least three WYSIWYG editors which can be integrated into drupal via modules. And nowhere is anyone required to know/write php in order to create nodes.
most of your wishlist = Modules
Yes, you can have all of that by extending with modules. http://drupal.org/project/Modules/name and search for what you want.
Well, I can't see that your
Well, I can't see that your post is all that offensive. Drupal is good stuff but could be very much better. I think your idea of loading a sample community is a good one. If this were a company then you would expect to see something like that.
Something to keep in mind. I am working on social media stuff and have tried so many different things I am at that stage where I am just confused. No worries that passes too with persistence.
Thanks but no thanks...
Thanks for the input – I’ll pass on Drupal right now.
It amazes me how nearly all CMS miss the mark – just enough to prevent me from using 20 or so of them that sort of get it right.
Why the developers of Drupal left out a primitive editor is beyond my comprehension and I’m going to assume I’d find a boat load of other squirrely things left out or done "differently" just to be different.
In parting, I’ll leave a few comments that I’m sure will be ignored:
Out of the 200+ CMS I’ve reviewed 80% are totally worthless and thousands of man-hours are wasted in developing them – but that’s their problem. The remaining 20% have some promise but 80% of them leave out a Wiki – and this is a shame.
All CMS allow for chit-chat and that’s fine but at some point the members actually want to easily retrieve the knowledge they found. Right now that is handled by “Stickys” in a Forum and blind searching. The CMS universe needs to wake up and include a Wiki which is no more complex to develop than a Forum or Live Chat room to implement.
Drupal seemed to have something close to a Wiki but it’s meaning seems to be a closely guarded secret and I can’t find it with 2 hours of playing around with Drupal. I figure that’s all I’ll spend and then write off Drupal.
So, thanks for the input, I wish you guys well and maybe in a year or so I’ll be back and spend another 2 hours to see if Drupal can benefit my 100+ web sites and thousands of members – right now it can’t add anything to my member’s experience. I was hoping for a "slimmed down" TikiWiki with a fresh bold look and approach to CMS for my wife to use - still looking.....
Could you post some links to
Could you post some links to some of your 100+ websites.
What additional experience are you looking for over and above what you have at the moment?
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Have you found the Drupal
Have you found the Drupal demo site yet? Try the admin login.
> what the heck is it? This
> what the heck is it?
This is very clear: http://drupal.org/node/265726
After two minutes reading you'll even find out that drupal is not really a CMS (gasp!).
Does Drupal have a Wiki built in?
Nope. Does wiki have drupal built in? You can perhaps see why your question is a bit silly.
Drupal does have its own flavour of collaborative, editable content though. Also there is
probably a Drupal module which shares a user-database with wiki for a 'single log-in'.
Ban users?
Yes.
Bad words?
Yes.
WYSIWYG Editors?
Yes.
Yawn. These are really inane 'features' you're asking about. You obviously have no idea
of the power and flexibility that drupal is capable of. Have you not taken a look at the
'showcase' forum, and signed up to a couple of websites/communities which use drupal?
> I don’t really want my wife to have to spend 2 months mastering TikiWiki.
You'll spend many more months trying to find an application that doesn't require any learning,
yet remain powerful enough to be of any actual use. In fact, such a thing probably does not exist.
Maybe she should stick to MS 'wordpad' and MS 'paint'? Or maybe you should let her learn and
accomplish something without this creepy stifling over-protection?
> Suggeston - When installing a new Drupal allow for a sample community to be loaded.
> Then a simple way to delete the data and start from scratch.
Already implemented. Have you looked at the modules downloads or searched the forums
*at all* during the last eight weeks?
> Video of features
There are installation videos, and quite a few video tutorials. Use search or google. Besides,
who has time to make videos for complete muppets who perhaps shouldn't really be trying
to build websites anyway?
Right, even though you've been a bit of an ass, here's where I say, I don't blame you for not
'getting' drupal. There is NO instant gratification. It takes at least one hundred hours of
'playing', 'tinkering' and experimentation, a lot of hard reading, and good knowledge of a
couple of other website packages, before actually being able to compare drupal to them,
and before being able to realise why it is so much more powerful.
There are wiki filters and
There are wiki filters and wiki modules.
Drupal can also integrate mediawiki and so forth. But if this guy's looking for a wiki, then he should just use a wiki.
PerryM, I've got some
PerryM, I've got some unfortunate news for you. It appears that Drupal developers did not consult your specific requirements before starting work. I'm sincerely sorry about this, as I'm sure that your specific needs should (read: are) shared by 100% of web developers and site owners.
Drupal can do absolutely everything you've mentioned, and a million other things. For someone who "reviewed 200" CMS systems, you don't seem to be doing much research. Try actually setting Drupal up, configuring a few modules and doing some reading - might prevent you from making a complete fool out of yourself the next time.