The lead developers of the Mambo CMS are splitting from the Mambo Foundation. Here are the reasons they cite:
# The Mambo Foundation was formed without regard to the concerns of the core development teams. We, the community, have no voice in its government or the future direction of Mambo. The Mambo Steering Committee made up of development team and Miro representatives authorized incorporation of the Foundation and should form the first Board. Miro CEO Peter Lamont has taken it upon himself to incorporate the Foundation and appoint the Board without consulting the two development team representatives, Andrew Eddie and Brian Teeman.
Although Mr. Lamont through the MSC promised to transfer the Mambo copyright to the Foundation, Miro now refuses to do so.
They also articulate a bunch of qualities that they are trying to preserve or gain in splitting:
We, the core development teams, unanimously believe:
- An open source project is about people producing free and open software and contributing to something as a team for the benefit of others.
- Open source projects reflect the spirit of collaboration and fun while garnering community feedback and providing good governance that allows for business to confidently invest in its development.
- Open source projects are open to the participation of anybody who can contribute value and is willing to work with the community.
These are qualities that Drupal has, and that make it great. Let's avoid the problems that they describe as we form our Drupal Foundation.
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I think it's time..
It's time for the core dev teams to change the name of the project to LAPURD... simply because it is such a nice name especially when you read it backwards :-)
MIND
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They didn't listen to me, despite me posting on Mambo's forums..
They didn't choose neither LAPURD nor MIND, instead they took Joomla!
http://www.joomla.org/content/view/35/1/
The multi-award-winning team of core developers, that developed the world’s most popular content management system known as Mambo, has changed the name of their software to Joomla!
Today, the development team unveiled the Joomla! project’s new home at www.joomla.org.
The Joomla! project announcement comes three weeks after the development team unanimously voted to secure the project’s future in the spirit of open source software.
The development team formed Open Source Matters (www.opensourcematters.org) to distribute information to users, developers, web designers and the community in general.
Project leader Mr Andrew Eddie made the announcement today, heralding the forthcoming release of Joomla! 1.0.0, the team’s first release under the new structure and brand.
“This forthcoming release will be a celebration for everyone,” Mr Eddie said. “It marks the continuation of one of the best open source software collaborations without commercial restraint or intervention.”
He said the baby Joomla! would be a mature release of the project, which includes rebranding, bug fixes and security patches. The Joomla! roadmap about forthcoming releases of the project can be found here.
Core team member Brian Teeman said the release of Joomla! was particularly important to the large user base, which had “supported us through thick and thin”.
“The community is now free to celebrate the new arrival and know the project is in very safe hands indeed,” Mr. Teeman said.
The core team has been working very closely with the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC), in New York, to establish the Joomla! and Open Source Matters entities. The SFLC provides legal representation and other law related services to protect and advance free and open source software.
“We are grateful for the excellent guidance and legal advice provided — at extremely short notice — by Mr. Eben Moglen and his team at the centre,” Mr Teeman said.
“During Joomla’s 'gestation', the project has received thousands of emails, posts, letters and phone calls of support from people all over the world,” Mr Eddie said.
“The number of people expressing support is quite staggering — including hobbyists, developers, third-party developers, web designers, business owners, teachers, students, even members of other CMS projects … the list goes on and on,” he said.
“Now the word is out and Joomla! has been born, we are focussed on continuing our award-winning work and taking the project to new heights.”
Joomla! website creation software is released under GNU Public License. Read more at www.joomla.org and www.opensourcematters.org.
Release prepared by Peter Russell
Authorised by Andrew Eddie and Brian Teeman
For more information:
press@joomla.org Tel: +44 (0)8707 406 575 United Kingdom
Good luck Joomla
Splitting maybe good to create diversity, but how people would react seeing Joomla and Mambo ? Which one will continue getting the awards they used to get ?
The core team had their reasons but now, it appears that miro is transferring Mambo copyrights to mambo fundations which was one of the core dev team claim...
Ok I've been reading a little more, especially the lonemamber blog... uppppsss... Miro seems to get crazy :(
What a shame such things had to happen...
this is why
forming a foundation is a slow process. If you do it quickly then you risk serious alienation later. Communities involve people with diverse viewpoints. We need to have at least addressed a lot of this when we do ours.
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Different situation
The situation with Mambo that led to this fragmentation is different.
There, there is a commercial entity (Miro), that formed a Foundation on its own, without developers' input or participation.
Drupal is neither run by or controlled by a commerical entity, nor will (I hope) the foundation be formed without developer input.
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I agree
I agree with everything that has been mentioned...i.e. best of luck to the breakaway mambo guys...and sepecks comments on how a foundation evolves as opposed to appears.
Worth mentioning though that while the mambo situation could obviously have been handled in a savvier way and there appears to be no apparant bitterness or animosity evident, it is a fundamentally bad advert for the open source concept in general.
It's not the first time it has happened, but, because mambo is relatively well known and used for many sites, it will inevitably be talked about.
Maybe there's an opportunity for drupal to perhaps install a clause in it's foundation "constitution", for lack of a better word, which provides safeguards to the community and contributors against a "mambo".
Similarly, would it be an idea to extend a welcome to the breakaway mambo developers to join the already virbrant drupal community and help improve drupal?
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Welcome Mambo genius-geeks looking for a new home :-)
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i'm lost
this link explains it pretty well...
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1850298,00.asp
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you know what
we know. I think slashdot would have more information and disinformation.
We sympathize with their difficulites and hope to avoid them in the future. As to details, that would be a Mambo thing, not a Drupal interest.
Though we are more then willing to enjoy more developers who may check out other solutions at this point. :)
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it should be a drupal thing
the details of this mambo schism should be digested by the drupal community for the purpose of not suffering the same fate.
i believe an OSS project only serves the OSS community to the degree that it is not tainted with commercial interest. making money and serving the interests of OSS are two very different and incompatible goals (see: Redhat).
i think the linux kernel model is best. folks are free to try to make money off the kernel, but when it comes to dev decisions $$-driven interests have no influence at all thanks to our lord and savior, Linus (AFAIK).
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Hmmm. I can't really agree
Most of the people who work really hard at Drupal *are* making their money from it. I think the important point is that nobody tries to steal the project and bend it to their own needs, at the expense of the others.
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clarify
certainly the lowly developer can contribute to an OSS project while earning a living. It's probably safe to say that most OSS developers have jobs. And it's probably also safe to say that many of them earn money using the same OSS tools they develop.
But at a higher level, i'm not aware of many companies or foundations that successfully mix their own financial interests with the interests of the OSS community when it comes to an "OSS" product they "own" (like redhat). there are probably exceptions (mysql, zend). but i'd be highly suspicious of a business (such as miro) suddenly showing up to create a foundation to support the interests of OSS.
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ahh
I meant that discussing the why's and what for's of the two groups differences while interesting is not relavant to drupal. In other words, I personally still am not interested in Mambo itself. :)
As the details unfold on how everything went into discord... learning from the issues so we can avoid them when forming a Drupal oriented foundation is very interesting.
At this stage, it's really to early to tell what went wrong, etc. We should be watching for the various write ups etc that will be developing soon.
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20 question to Miro
Someone published 20 questions and answers from Miro on this controversy where Miro responds to the recent split.
Some discussion of that on Slashdot too.
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good night and good luck
in my very limited expeience opinion-
mambo sucks.
and now it appears their 'business model' sucks too.
i started and instantly abandoned development on mambo
2 or 3 years ago because it was such a clunky mess.
someone just showed me a brand new mambo site and it
rans so slow i could not believe it.
drupal = the only way to fly.
open source, open skies- and no limits to what you can do.
thanks always and much success wished back on anyone
that uses or contributes to the drupal experience-
and especially the creators.
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