By Dublin Drupaller on
Just a note to anyone who is interested. Drupal is doing well in the Portal (CMS) category ratings at the OpenSourceCMS site which compares the many CMS tools out there.
The top 20 (as of today, September 17th 2005) are ...
| No | Category | Name | Vote |
| 01 | Portals (CMS) | Typo3 | 4.28 |
| 02 | Portals (CMS) | Drupal | 4.24 |
| 03 | Portals (CMS) | e107 | 4.20 |
| 04 | Portals (CMS) | PHP-Fusion | 4.20 |
| 05 | Portals (CMS) | Civicspace | 4.20 |
| 06 | Portals (CMS) | CMS Made Simple | 4.19 |
| 06 | Portals (CMS) | Website Baker | 4.18 |
| 07 | Portals (CMS) | Exponent | 4.16 |
| 08 | Portals (CMS) | phpwcms | 4.15 |
| 09 | Portals (CMS) | XOOPS | 4.15 |
| 10 | Portals (CMS) | CPG Dragonfly | 4.13 |
| 11 | Portals (CMS) | TikiWiki | 4.12 |
| 12 | Portals (CMS) | MD-Pro | 4.09 |
| 13 | Portals (CMS) | Jetbox One | 4.07 |
| 14 | Portals (CMS) | Postnuke | 4.07 |
| 15 | Portals (CMS) | SPIP | 4.05 |
| 16 | Portals (CMS) | Xaraya | 4.03 |
| 17 | Portals (CMS) | phpWebSite | 4.02 |
| 18 | Portals (CMS) | Mambo | 4.01 |
| 19 | Portals (CMS) | RUNCMS | 3.99 |
| 20 | Portals (CMS) | Geeklog | 3.93 |
I know a lot of these online voting things can be very subjective, but it's good to see Drupal not only getting favourable votes, but, it's finally being classed as a portal CMS as opposed to a blogging tool.
Interesting to see Civicspace so high up there as well...it's based on Drupal.
Dub
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Drupal is doing great
Mambo really is falling off - which is sad taking into account that is is a clever piece of softare, but the recent split up in two forks has lost many - and many came to Drupal. I still don't really understand the high popularity of Typo3. It is certainly a good work, but just not so nice to the eye, the Admin needs to know a bit about how things work and you cannot send regular office users on it to do content without major training... So Drupal really should be No1 - and hey, if we work on it hard and I guess if some more templates come up here so that beginners can set off fairly easily, we will be able to become OpensourceCMS' No1! :-)
According to
According to OpenSourceMatters.org the new group behind Joomla! After the recent split...
Is this a fork of the Mambo project?
No, it is a rebranding effort that will continue to run largely on the existing codebase. Work is continuing on the project by the same team that has developed Mambo as you know it today. Therefore we see it as continuing development rather than a 'fork'.
Mambo Fork
Hi ArunK,
yes, Joomla! is a fork of Mambo. In a nutshell, Miro has done a not to nice move to regain more control over the Open Source project Mambo it once foundet. So they started setting up the Mambo Foundation. However they never asked anybody in the comunity about it. They wanted to put the project on more stable grounds, but they totally underestimated the dev community of Mambo. They reacted in distancing themselves completely from the project which they announced on opensourcematter.com. Now, this new fork was looking for a name and after a while they came up with Joomla!
This is the story in short.
Two of the top 5
Drupal is actually in the top 5 TWICE. I mean CivicSpace is there too.
Not bad at all!
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Typo3 #1
Wow, I can't believe Typo3 is #1. I mean, it's a fabulous system, it can do amazing things, but it is horribly complex. I spent a month trying to get a setup for our website and hit the point where I had to admit there was no way in hell I would be able to train our users to use it, and making custom modules was rather complicated with the bizzare mixture of PHP and TypoScript.
Typo3 has an advantage for technical users and doing some innovative things, but I think drupal easily wins for any site that needs to be able to have computer illiterate people manage content and easily extend the system with a clean simple API...
Close voting, but demoing is good.
The ratings seems very close to get any clear meaning out of it, but one thing that is very good is that you get to test many of the CMS installations via the demo feature on opensourcecms.com . That is how I chose to try Drupal further. The other reason was because Drupal was not as overwhelming when looking at the sourcecode, and well put together. This helps in fixing bugs, getting better stability and better security. Overall it's easier to understand what's going on. Adding more modules can alter that perception, as code quality varies, but the strong core functionality makes a lot of sense when comparing and making a decision on what CMS to choose.
Yet better
Now Drupal has same rating as Typo3.
My post (in italian):
http://www.ricir.net/drupal/?q=node/214
Riccardo
Some cheating could be taking place
I dont know how well I would trust this list. It is very vulnerable to cheating many different software titles or custom scripts could get someone to #1 on this list in no time.
Assuming the list is genuine it's amazing that both drupal and civic space are in the top 3 now.
Great product!
Other factor to consider!
Hi all,
I am the site admin for opensourceCMS. I just want to say that I am very impress with Drupal community so far!
In my opinion anything can be cheated if someone persistent enough, look at MD5 it is supposed to be a secure way of protecting the password!
Anyhow, the reason for my reply is I just want to point out to you some resources that you odd to consider when look at how a CMS is doing at opensourceCMS site are
. CMS Ratings:
http://opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=388
. CMS Top Hits:
http://opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=401
(please note the ratio indicator)
. The comments on each demo page:
The show how people react to a particular CMS.
I love to hear your feedback!
Thanks
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nice one..
Thanks for pointing that out.
Any chance you could rename the Civicspace release on your site list to be Drupal (Civicspace) instead of what you have at the moment.
Civicspace is actually drupal with some pre-installed add-on modules and a few modifications.
The way it's displayed in your list suggests it is a different Portal CMS to drupal, which might confuse.
I hope that's okay. Here's what I mean:
The top 5 (as of today, September 21st 2005) are ...
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
We try to match the package
We try to match the package name as we download from the project site to keep it consistent.
Base on your feedback, I added (Base on Drupal) on the demo page to help to clarify your point.
Is that ok?
Thanks
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I think it's best to rename it..
I'm not sure a "based on drupal" note on the civicspace page would be an accurate description and make it clear to visitors to your site that it's not a different portal cms...it's actually Drupal with a few pre-installed modules and modifications.
The pedantics of it are:
Civicspace = custom distribution of Drupal.
My two cents is that I think it's best to rename it from Civicspace to Drupal (Civicspace) on the list. At the moment it suggests that it is a different type of portal cms.
There's a significant enough difference to warrant 2 entries on the list..but, I think it would make more sense to call it Drupal (Civicspace) rather than just Civicspace.
I hope that makes sense. I think it will improve the value of the ratings..where people can see straight away that it's actually a custom drupal distribution..and not a different Portal CMS, which is the impression that is given at the moment.
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
never mind...
Hi Chan,
Disregard the name change thing. It doesn't really matter.
I just noticed that joomla is now the number 1 portal cms with just 31 votes, so, the ratings are not really that accurate anyway so it doesn't really matter about whether it's called Civicspace or Drupal (civicspace).
Cheers
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
Yes it matters anyway, don't give up !
Yes, write DRUPAL (Civicspace) in your list that would be nice thank you, it's not like Joomla and Mambo, that is different.
Drupal and Civicspace have no problems between them.
do you know of any other cms ratings sites?
Hi Alias,
You were correct, I popped into the opensourceCMS.com site today and realised that the ratings wasn't that accurate - joomla had overtaken everyone into the numebr 1 slot with 30 votes...and you can vote again and again so it's not really a objective ratings system.
Do you know of any other opensource CMS review sites that have a good ratings system?
I found this site which looks a lot better. The ratings appear to be more considered and objective. I couldn't vote twice, but, I could modify my existing rating, which means the ratings have more meaning.
cmsmatrix.org
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
Well, just for the record if
Well, just for the record if you already vote and try to vote again you will get this message below:
"You already voted for this poll today!"
PS: The vote indicator is just an average of all the vote taken so far.
Thanks
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no worries chan..
no worries..I think the demoing side of your site is great. It's just the rating side might be improved. In the space of an hour earlier joomla jumped to number 1 and then dropped to number 4 for no apparant reason other than 5 more votes, which suggests that the first 31 users thought it was superb and the next 5 users thought it was dreadful.
I found another CMS rating site which has a good ratings system that's based on various elements of what Portal CMS tools provide and seems more scientific and fair.
Users can't vote twice, but they can edit their review..i.e. if I rated a CMS as low on security, I can go back in and increase that.
it's at this url: http://www.cmsmatrix.org
of course the list is reliant on people submitting their opinions, but, the way they do it at cmsmatrix.org looks good.
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
Yes, you are absolutely
Yes, you are absolutely right on that point regarding the voting system at CMSMatrix and that is why we include CMSMatrix in our web site if people want to do a more extensive comparison between different CMS.
Thanks for your interest and feedback!
PS: Most people come to our site are not as technical and detail oriented like you but they just want something quick and simple therefore our voting system reflect that need.
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glad to be of help..
I Just had another quick look at your site, Chan. A couple of things
www.civicspacelabs.org (Base on Drupal)
I assume "base on Drupal" is a typo and you really mean "based on Drupal".
It might confuse users to your site looking at various Portal CMS tools..i.e. "the website for civicspacelabs.org is based on drupal"
It's not clear to visitors that Civicspace is actually a custom distribution of drupal. Hence the earlier suggestion about changing it to be called Drupal (Civicspace) which makes it crystal clear that Civicspace is not an alternative portal CMS tool, but, is in fact a custom distribution of drupal.
At the moment, it looks like Civicspace is a rival/different Portal CMS tool to Drupal, typo3 and all the others listed and that the civicspacelabs.org website is based on drupal.
glad to be of assistance, by the way.
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
Typo corrected!
1. CMSMatrix is under "News and More" section
2. Yes, it is a typo and it has been corrected! Thanks
You know they are confused any way since we have so much to offer! :)
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sorry..I mustn't have been clear..
Sorry Chan..
Perhaps I wasn't clear in my previous post..at the moment it looks like the civicspace website is based on Drupal.
On this page it says "www.civicspacelabs.org (Based on Drupal)"..which suggests that the website is based on drupal.
there' s no indication that Civicspace is actually a custom distribution of Drupal.
If you scroll down to the bottom of that page...there are a few messages about that..
or more recently:
If you renamed Civicspace in your list to be Drupal (Civicspace) and add in something like "Civicspace is a custom distribution of Drupal" on the civicspace page on your site...it might help keep it very simple for everyone.
I hope that's clearer.
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
We will think about your
We will think about your suggestion on rename Civicspace but in the mean time I add the follow and BOLD so hopefully it will help to clarify your point.
(Note: Civicspace is a custom distribution of Drupal)
Thanks
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other resources
I was also very impressed how drupal compares featurewise to "The Big Ones" at cmsmatrix.
Just select for example websphere, tridion, interwoven, and drupal to get an idea. I'd say that's amazing value for money, especially if you consider that the indicated prices don't include consulting fees, support fees and development costs which generally are a large part of the total cost of any website.
Drupal and Civispace in Germany
Drupal and Civispace are also getting more and more friends in germany and i think both cms have a very good start-up in germany. I add this article to http://www.stnetwork.de/drupal.html
with kind regards, holger
www.stnetwork.de
Mambo have suddenly been
Mambo have suddenly been shot way down the list by apparent flooding of votes, while at the same time Joomla shot way up.
Looks like it's quite easy to manipulate the ranks.
But that's just too mean :)
No voting system is proof
No voting system is proof prove! If someone is really persistent they can manipulate anything rating to their favor.
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the system on cmsratings.com is not very scientific..
Hi Tamarian,
The demo element of cmsratings.com is great...but the actual ratings itself looks very suspect. As I mentioned earlier.
Recommend you have a look at how they do it at cmsmatrix.
It is far superior than cmsratings.com in my humble opinion.
http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix
The voting is based on performance of key areas of a portal CMS...and is more "scientific" than just a straight voting system.
I have found it very useful and as a Drupal user I think it's mid table status is fair. CMS ratings.com however is also confusing. Looking at the top Portal CMS's suggests that Civicspace is actually a different Portal CMS....which it's not. But, I think the focus on cmsratings.com is not really the clairity of the ratings or accuracy...it's more just a handy place to try out the demos. Which is very well done.
Maybe it should be called cmsdemo.com!
Dub
Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate
Looks like cmsratings.com is
Looks like cmsratings.com is no more, or been squatted.
cmsmatrix.org looks good, at least it's based on multiple categories. Thanks for the linsk.