I know this has been discussed to death before, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents as a newbie to drupal:

IMHO, it is absolutely unacceptable that drupal.org is the ONLY site I have ever encountered on the Internet which was unreadable until I changed my settings to accomodate it. Unbelievable. Astonishing. Breathtakingly arrogant.

I am astonished that these issues were raised last year, and yet nothing was ever done. Mind boggling.

And yes, it IS affecting the size of your user community. I came within an angstrom of dropping drupal as a contender, as there was no way I was going to choose a product that would make me go blind as I explored it. It was only due to my stubborness that I searched and eventually found the solution (which in my case involved removing the Bitstream Vera font).

When you are the only one out of 2 billion websites that utilizes solution "x", there are two possibilities:

a) You are smarter than 2 billion other very talented designers and developers.

b) You've made a mistake.

IMHO, the answer is 'b' -- you have made a mistake (something we all do all the time, of course), and it is costing you market share.

Now, back to my exploration. I'm curious whether drupal proves to be worth the incredible hassle it's been so far thanks to this font problem.

Regards,
Kenner

(And to everyone who plans on responding along the lines of "we don't hear many complaints, etc.," just remember these two things: a) Most people will NOT stick around long enough to complain, and b) it's 2,000,000,000 versus 1.)

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tostinni’s picture

Like Which OS, browser you use, the problems you faced, the old topic you mentioned ?
I never found readibility problem here with IE, FireFox nor Opera.

venkat-rk’s picture

Same with me. I am on Windows XP Pro with Firefox and have not faced this problem any time since I joined a year ago.

Never had a problem when I used IE either.

chx’s picture

So, you needed to remove Bitstream Vera Sans to view the site where the default font is... Bitstream Vera Sans (and falls back to Verdana and Helvetica). To me this reads "to me, Bitstream Vera Sans is unreadable, but Verdana is nice". To me, this fonts looks nice. I wonder whether you had a corrupted font.. maybe? http://www.fryfonts.com/download.php?id=178

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Steven’s picture

There are two bad situations with Vera:

- If you have anti-aliasing turned off, it will look bad on rounded letters because what should be semi-transparent pixels will be rendered 100% opaque (Vera has embedded, anti-aliased bitmaps).

- If you have a buggy driver installed, anti-aliased text will be rendered with high gamma, which makes the partially transparent pixels too bright and the text hard to read. I used to have this problem sometimes, until I installed a new driver for my nVidia card.

The second is definitely not our problem. The first means that most nice fonts will look crap on your system anyway. Both cases are rare enough because Vera is not a standard Windows font.

You should not have fonts installed that your system is not equipped to render right.

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kennerstross’s picture

It came up when the new site was being introduced last year (I guess, based on this thread):

http://drupal.org/node/11695

There's a fairly extensive discussion of this issue a ways into the thread. Begins with a post entitled "Font fuzzyness." I believe the technical issues (and the position of the drupal.org developer(s)) is laid out pretty clearly there.

If something has changed since then, I'd love to be brought up to date. Otherwise I think I'm just experience the same problems that others in that thread describe.

eaton’s picture

I always thought the drupal site looked clean and crisp and attractive. Then I installed Vera Sans and shuddered. Verdana is very attractive and nice -- unfortunately, it's no longer legally available for *NIX boxes, if I remember correctly.

I just uninstalled Vera sans on my windows box, and I'm back to happy clean Drupal.

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ro-no-lo’s picture

omg this "problem" exists since 2005 and the only solution is that I have to remove bitstream vera sans from my xp system to harmless read text at drupal.org with Firefox. omg how ignorant.

splunge’s picture

Is that correct?