Theme

By spechackers on 12 Dec 2005 at 14:31 UTC

I am looking for an custom theme development, if anyone is interested plz do contact me at email

vinoth_httpguru@yahoo.com.sg

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Commercial themes anyone?

budda

English

Cheshire

commented 12 December 2005 at 15:09

Glad this topic came up today.

I've been in discussion with a professional web design company who are targetting Movable Type and Wordpress blog's with their design services.

I have suggested they also consider offering their work to professional users of Drupal too, and I would do the work of porting the XHTML templates to Drupal PHPTemplate.

Are there enough people using Drupal for commercial / monetary purposes to afford paying a design company to create a bespoke theme for them?

Comments appreciated.

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There are some.

soupp commented 12 December 2005 at 16:54

I make custom Drupal themes. And I have some customers :)

The only bad thing about it that many customers do not really understand what Drupal theme is. And usually ask for something absolutely custom for $50 or even $15. But one theme may take 20 or more hours to create. So it's almost impossible to have theme for this kind of budget.

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You are not permitted to have commercial themes

lekei commented 20 December 2005 at 21:52

One reason you don't see many commercial themes for Drupal is that phpTemplate is licensed under GPL, so commercial themes are not permitted.

If you write commercial themes for Drupal you must use the Smarty or XTemplate engine (which are interpretive). You cannot write a theme for PHPTemplate which uses any copyright-protected material because GPL doesn't permit it.

I have tried to point this problem out before (see http://drupal.org/node/37504#comment-68924) but it has only resulted in me not being permitted to officially contribute to the Drupal community (since I have ethical issues with creating original GPL code instead of LGPL).

Rumor has it that it will be worse with 4.7 since XTemplate is planned to no longer be an officially supported engine.

Thank you for the continued

sepeck commented 20 December 2005 at 22:55

Thank you for the continued civility of your posts. The Xtemplate engine will move to the contributed themes and phpTemplate will become the default theme engine. This is not a secret. It has been mentioned on several front page posts. This has been planned for a while.

Are you a lawyer giving legal advise here? If you are not a lawyer, you are confusing people with your opinion as opposed to legel advise.

To others, please consult a lawyer for your legal advise.

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XTemplate

lekei commented 20 December 2005 at 23:50

The only reason I called it a rumor is that 4.7 has not yet been released at this time so the planned removal of XTemplate from core is not confirmed.

Please do not take any of this as personal legal advice, I am only echoing the advice given by the Free Software Foundation.

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
(many parts especially the part starting at: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FSWithNFLibs )

Thank you for clarifying

sepeck commented 21 December 2005 at 00:49

Thank you for clarifying your interpretation of those links.

I am not sure how it applies to copyrighting a look and feel, css, associated graphics or other theme design, but I'm sure others can discuss this with lawyer.

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Ok guys. I was a lawyer :)

soupp commented 21 December 2005 at 18:46

Ok guys. I was a lawyer :) really. And anyway I don't think that

reason you don't see many commercial themes for Drupal is that phpTemplate is licensed under GPL, so commercial themes are not permitted

is an issue here. As Dupal has XTemplate as a basic one for now. So we just do not have it for some reason. It's not about GPL. May be it is just about Drupal community who are more programmers then designers or artists.

My approach for PHPTemplate themes is like sepeck mentioned. If I would like to license something in a theme it is CSS, graphics used in a theme and general visual / graphical layout. So it's about look and feel not PHPTemplate and Drupal hooks used in the theme. And we see one theme migrating from one CMS to another.

And I think template / theme is not something built on top of PHPTemplate or derived from. But something parallel, plugged in. For example if you use GIMP (which is GPL) for your graphics you can license final image. Or if you write a poem using (GPL) Linux then copyright will be yours. GPL poem.... huh :)

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