Hi, not sure if this is a bug or by design (or a bug that happens only in my install, since I went through a lot of beta/RC versions):

I use the 'Use keywords from biblio entries as taxonomy "free tags"' option in Biblio, and those taxonomy terms register. But Biblio's own keywords field is still there, and I still have some keywords in there from before. Now mysite.com/biblio/keywords shows only Biblio's own keywords, not the free tags I now use for biblio entries.

Should Biblio show the freetags here?

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rjerome’s picture

biblio/keywords will only show the keywords managed in the biblio_keyword_data table. Even when you have taxonomy integration turned on, a copy of the keywords is always kept in the biblio tables. I guess it is possible (and it hadn't occurred to me) that the taxonomy free tags could differ from the biblio keywords. On the keywords page, I could also do a taxonomy lookup and merge them together (if that's what you are looking for?)

Ron.

ar-jan’s picture

Yes, I guess that's what I'm looking for.
But maybe something's wrong with my setup then, because the keywords I enter that are saved as taxonomy terms are not in the biblio_keywords table (and you're saying "a copy of the keywords is always kept in the biblio tables", am I understanding you correctly?).

rjerome’s picture

Technically the words themselves are in the biblio_keywords_data table, but I presume that's what you meant. They should be saved in both places (biblio and taxonomy), so the question on my mind is when you say "...the keywords I enter that are saved as taxonomy terms...", how/where are you entering these terms?

ar-jan’s picture

I have created a vocabulary 'Biblio Keywords', enabled the option "Use keywords from biblio entries as taxonomy "free tags"", and selected this vocabulary. When I create a Biblio node, i'm filling in the taxonomy form. The keyword is only saved as taxonomy term, it does not show up at /biblio/keywords.
And when I fill in the old biblio "Key Words" form (the one with the help text "Separate keywords using the " , " character"), this keyword does show up at /biblio/keywords, but is not saved as a taxonomy term.

So it appears they are not saved at both places in my installation...

rjerome’s picture

Hmmm, this is not a problem with your installation, it's a "feature/bug". I'm not entirely sure how to deal with this one though. It is rather confusing to have two input boxes for keywords, so perhaps the thing to do would be to just eliminate the one that the taxonomy module is adding to the form and do the taxonomy insertions behind the scenes (much like it is done when you import from file).

acherp’s picture

I have had the same problem. In our system Biblio uses a Website-wide taxonomy of "Research Topics" which are also used by other content types. It would be great if one can use this taxonomy in Biblio but also able to handle it in a normal way provided by the Taxonomy module. I agree that two impact boxes are confusing and the Biblio keywords do not seem to be aligned with the system-wide taxonomy at the moment.

ar-jan’s picture

Agree, two boxes is confusing.
I guess what you propose makes sense (add keywords through Biblio's form, and insert into taxonomy behind the scenes). Is it possible this way to use existing terms?

Another possibility could be to abandon Biblio's own Keywords altogether (I believe you hinted at that in some other discussion), and have the user choose between
a) using a vocabulary created by Biblio, or
b) choose an existing vocabulary, that you could also use with other content types

rjerome’s picture

I had at one point moved the keywords to the exclusive control of taxonomy, but that presented the danger of completely losing you keywords if, for some reason, the vocabulary was deleted as well as some other issues, so while it's not as space efficient to duplicate the keywords, it is more secure from the point of view of a "complete" biblio entry.

I could craft an update which will put the two (taxonomy vocabulary and biblio_keywords) back in sync and then move forward with a single input field.

ar-jan’s picture

Category: support » feature

Sounds great

johnbarclay’s picture

Title: Biblio Keywords and Biblio free tags » Improve integration of Biblio Keywords and Taxonomy

title wasn't very descriptive

tekken’s picture

Version: 6.x-1.2 » 7.x-2.x-dev

The sync suggestion sounded helpful. Any follow-up?

Liam Morland’s picture

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Bibliography Module 7.x-2.x is not being developed. If this issue applies to a maintained branch, please re-open and move it to that branch.