Hi Guys,

This is just a quick announcement to say that I'm in the process of pulling together a framework for a new printed book & ebook for Drupal.

overview

The Working title is: Drupalicious - A Designers companion for theming Drupal sites.

Target audience: Non-programmers who understand the basics of HTML. Edition I will be predominantly for Drupal 4.7 and it's envisaged that there will be follow up editions with later versions of Drupal.

Language: English. + (hopefully) French. Italian. German. Spanish and others..

I'm doing a feasibility study at the moment to see if it's practical to produce multilingual versions of the same book, so I'm asking mother-tongue Drupallers to contact me if they would like to be included in the project mailing list.

I need the following for each language (translating from ENGLISH -> language):

1 x mother-tongue translator
1 x mother-tongue proof reader
1 x mother-tongue editor.

(mother-tongue = your primary language)

notes

  • Experience in translation is obviously a great advantage, but, not essential. I have a background in localisation so there will be quality control mechanisms in place to safeguard against any language quality issues.
  • An in-depth Knoweldge of PHP and Drupal is an advantage but not essential. the purpose of the book is to explain in very simple terms, how things work and you will be provided with a localisation kit & glossary to assist in the process.
  • I have no idea yet what sort of renumeration might be available. My plan is to do a feasibility study first on what languages and resources are available and then work from there.

At the moment I'm just looking for feedback from Drupallers who maybe interested in getting involved. The main bulk of the work is with the English and before I start it will be written specifically with localisation in mind, so a lot of the proofing/translation and editing could be done on a part-time basis.

That's all. Please use my CONTACT FORM if you are interested and please indicate what your mother-tongue language is and if you would feel comfortable translating/proof reading or editing.

Dublin Drupaller.

Comments

Phillip Mc’s picture

hi Dub,

can I just say thank you for coming up with this and thank you also for all your help on here.

I'm obviously just looking for the english version and while the the crash-course in PHP for Drupal designers is the main draw for me the multilingual idea is inspired.

I'm a graphic designer by day and I can help with screenshots/graphics, typesetting, layout and proofing if you need it.

If I could suggest a section in the book that others might find useful and that is: "How do I do that in Drupal?" Where the top 10 websites voted for by the Drupal community are analysed with a "here's how you can do that in Drupal" step-by-step. It doesn't have to be a complete site. Just elements to a site. For example, how did they do that product listing? or how did they do those blogs?

Also. Will there be an ajax chapter?

Philk

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

great idea about the "how do I do that in Drupal?" section.

Anymore bright ideas like that..please post.

I have emailed you about the typesetting/graphics stuff..your help would be appreciated.

Yes, Ajax will be covered in the book and it will be taking a lead from the core Drupal ajax/js scripts that will come with Drupal 4.7, with a few extended examples & references for advanced usage. All going well, the TOC (table of Contents) should be available in late feb early march which will make it clearer to what is included.

Keep those ideas coming Phil. Appreciate it.

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

pamphile’s picture

I am glad to hear this... Any plans to sell it via Amazon or some service that offers a affiliate program ?

Marcel
Computing News - http://computingnews.com

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

Thanks Marcel,

Yep. Part of the feasibility study is to determine which languages can be done well on top of the English and from there we look to an appropriate publisher.

So it will be stocked in all the usual suspects online.

Once we have the framework complete, I'm toying with the idea of advance selling to the Drupal community - where there is a set budget for an initial print run and a sliding scale price per book for Drupallers who order in advance.

That reduces the need for a big advance from a publisher to do the project profesionally, so, we are essentially licensing the book to a publisher and their budget goes 100% into marketing. As opposed to the norm. which is 80-90% of the budget going on the production (the advance) and 10-20% on marketing.

I've worked on music projects that have worked in a very similar way and it's a very smart way of approaching it. however, unlike music where fans love the artists and are gagging for the new album, I will have to juggle the schedule so that Drupallers know the complete Table of Contents and a sample chapter before we can start any advance selling.

I also have to clear that with Dries and the Drupal team. I have bitten the Drupal bug and am not really doing it to make money, but, I've been around the block to know that to do something like this professionally, you have to have a decent budget to work with.

So here's how that might work, in principle and on approval from the core Drupal team:

  1. Once the English TOC is nailed, languages agreed, contracts signed and production budget is known, advance orders can be made based on a sliding scale price.
  2. So a Drupal.org visitor (or via a drupal.org affilliate programme) can place an advance order, for an initial run so the price goes down based on the number of people ordering
  3. Once the initial run is complete, the price jumps back up to normal high street prices for a comparable book (distributers and publishers will find it harder to push to retail if it is cheaper online).

When working with artists and unleashing albums on a similar basis, there is usually something special with the initial run. Usually called a "limited edition", the "reward" or "something special" for the Drupalicious Books first run will be simply getting it much cheaper.

What's your thoughts on that, Marcel?

It would be interesting to hear back from others as well..by reducing the *need* for a publishers advance to cover production, more marketing can be done, which will help nudge Drupal in other territories.

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

pamphile’s picture

That selling model sounds interesting but I need to see it in action to fully understand it.

I would also recommend testing self publishing using services like http://Lulu.com to publishing books

SEE:
My Life as a Lulu
http://www.absolutewrite.com/novels/lulu.htm

http://www.lifehacker.com/software/life-hacks/notes-from-selfpublishers-...

More LuLu type services
http://xlibris.com/
http://www.iuniverse.com/

Marcel
http://computingnews.com

fgm’s picture

A bit like Lulu, you might want to get in touch with Vervanté: they do the Red Books series for IBM, as well as manuals for Altova, and for many smaller software (or other) publishers.

I have a contact there, if this is of interest.

kae’s picture

Dub,
great idea. I may be able to help you with the publishing side.
ae2005

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

thanks for posting and for the email Ae. I'll keep you posted on developments.

I've been blown away with the response from the community. There appears to be a lot of interest and a lot of offers to contribute sections to the English book which is fantastic.

The success of Drupal has a lot to do with the contributory eco-system that surrounds it. While it will be a challenge to maintain language consistency across authors, I think it's feasible to extend the book out a bit with contributed chapters.

Some of the ideas coming through for inclusion are superb and the offer of languages is high as well.

Anyway. Thanks again for the email. I appreciate it.

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

Phillip Mc’s picture

Dub,

I used to teach computers in a previous life so if you need any help with a tutorial or similar, let me know.

Ideally, I would love to "own" a section or chapter under your collaborative community idea. Like a basic php-for-drupal tutorial, for example. Is that possible?

I've been thinking of doing something like that for a while but your project sounds like the perfect opportunity to get it edited & proofed professionally and part of a bigger more substantial book.

If the plan is to flow the book back into drupal.org, I would volunteer to do it in return for a mention as a contributer. Any royalties from sale of the printed book would be a bonus.

I totally love the collaborative idea, by the way and I hope it's feasible.

Philk

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

A php for Drupal tutorial would be great, I have sent you a quick email with the book plans.

The Drupalicious book is intended for designers, who understand the basics of HTML, but, don't want to "Study" the PHP language. It's more about arming designers with a few php basics that will help them unleash the power of theming with Drupal.

So while the "PHP FOR DRUPAL" chapter I had in mind, was just the very basics, a tutorial of some form would be useful.

RE: making the book available on drupal.org; that maybe tricky because to compile, proof and edit a quality book costs money. Voluntary contributions can bring it to a certain level, but the only way to do it right is to hire professional editors and proof readers.

However, I'm keeping all options open, it's plausible that many Drupallers will want a printed copy anyway, so, there maybe scope to work with a publisher who is happy with that, or implement the advance sales idea to keep the copyright within the Drupal community so we can do what we like with the digital version. i.e. advance sales of the printed version covers the professional editing costs and overheads.

Thanks again for the offer of help.

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

Phillip Mc’s picture

no problem with the php tutorial. I need more details on whats going in the book obviously, but, as I understand it you will be forwarding that to me at the end of feb.

I like your plan of keeping the copyright within the community but I think you will have to balance that with a quality book which requires professional editors and proof readers.

I would be more than willing to compose a bespoke tutorial/test for your book and simply receive a split of royalties with the other contributers.

A printed book is a must and may I suggest you simply make a digital version online available only when the 2nd edition (for 4.8 maybe?) is finished. That way you can finance the professional services from the printed book and it goes back to the community.

Phil

sangamreddi’s picture

Nice work Dub. I have been using Drupal more than a year and very new to programming. Recently i have contributed a theme which can be seen here.

I can add my views, but it will be useful to the beginners.I can extend my hand covering HTML/CSS in english. A book like this will definetly help many beginners like me. Thank you for the support you're providing here.

All the best

Sunny                      
www.gleez.com | www.sandeepone.com

kae’s picture

hi dub,
we talked about chinese. here is a chinese page on drupal.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:GkGiEUdIGvgJ:lib.hackbase.com/3907/+...
www.hackbase.com. actually may not be drupal. i searched on paypal and ipn.

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

Hi Ae,

yeah. thanks for the link.

Localising into mandarin will be an enormous job - it's one of the most difficult languages to translate into from English.

In some cases, it's simpler to start from scratch in Mandarin. For example, if they are given the English Drupalicious book as a "guide", it might be easier.

If you have resources in that direction it would be appreciated, but, I'm just concentrating on the main European languages at the moment.

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

alexis’s picture

Hey Dublin, I'm contacting you to see the best way I can help.

Regards!

Alexis Bellido - Ventanazul web solutions

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

Appreciate the email Alexis.

I got hit with an unexpected hosting problem this month, so I'm a bit behind with where I should be at with the book project.

Will include you on the mailing list with details over the next few weeks.

Thanks again

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

Hi guys,

Just a quick update re: Drupalicious book.

Have cleared a backlog of work so I can get back onto this project and will be circulating an update to everyone by email.

if you are interested in contributing in the following ways to the Drupalicious Book, please drop me an email and I will include you with updates.

(a) language translation, proofing & editing

(b) Submit a chapter idea for the book.
Following the announcement, a few Drupallers have contacted me with suggestions for specific chapters to go into the book. If you have an idea and have a few hours to spare each week in April/May to pull it together, please drop me an email.

That's all. I had planned to start work on this earlier but work got unexpectedly in the way.

Thanks to everyone who got in touch already. I'll circulate the updates within the next 15 days.

Cheers

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

rickvug’s picture

I am just letting you know that I would be VERY interested in buying such a book if it came out. I'm sure that others would be interested as well.

I think that the self publishing idea has a lot of merit for such a specialized book like this. I would imagine that most of the sales would stem from a front page posting on drupal.org, rather than people on Amazon (although I could be wrong!). This may be a viable option: you may sell less copies, but the margins would compensate!

I have seen companies sell a "beta" e-book version of a title before it was published, for full price at that. Later on when the book is complete, the paper version shipped out to everyone. eBooks are interesting (see 37signals.com and their success) but if I am going to purchase something, I want the hard copy to flip through, highlight and reference.

In all, I am excited that so many books are coming out! As more books come out, the community will grow - which helps both users and writers.

Take care,
Rick

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Dublin Drupaller’s picture

I have seen companies sell a "beta" e-book version of a title before it was published, for full price at that. Later on when the book is complete, the paper version shipped out to everyone. eBooks are interesting (see 37signals.com and their success) but if I am going to purchase something, I want the hard copy to flip through, highlight and reference.

I agree, there is an interesting impact of techonology on the book pulbishing industry that is not unlike what has happened with the music industry.

We're still working on the Drupalicious Book.

Sample english chapter should be available in August and if there are Drupallers out there who would like to contribute a specific chapter dealing with specific theming aspects, please drop me an email.

cheers

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

venkat-rk’s picture

Hi Dub,

I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Do you have a specific deadline in mind by which this will be published?

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

It will be late autumn at the earliest Ramdak. Should have a full schedule and release date by August.

I brought in a technical publishing consultant to advise on the project and she said it's better to take your time to get it right. There' s a lot of people looking for a book on the subject..so we want to make sure when it's done, it's done right.

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

rickvug’s picture

I'm guessing that the book will be based on 4.8 in the end, based on the schedule. Is this true? It sounds like there are some great changes on the way to help designers that will be worth covering.

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venkat-rk’s picture

Dub,

I honestly thought I had replied to your answer, but apparently that was only in my head! I am really sorry and thank you for telling us drupallers the expected time of arrival.

XHTML Teacher’s picture

I am a newby to Drupal so I don't know what I can contribute; although I will be theming my own site over the next several months. However I would be happy to help with proofreading and editing, in english.

Elaine

site (coming soon): www.megjackson.com
blog: www.pixelsurfers.net

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

Thanks for the offer of help Elaine.

We already have a proofreader for English, but, it's always better to have a second person to edit. Initial production starts at the end of July and will be spread out to suit contributors.

I'll drop you an email so I can keep you posted with production schedules.

We aren't using a publisher (yet!) so we're only offering very basic renumeration to contributors at the moment.

We're hoping that with the sample chapter and framework, we'll be able to fund full, professional production via advance sales online. That keeps the overall cost down and it means that we retain copyright so we can do whatever we want with it after the book is published.

In other words, we are reckoning on a budget of between $15 and $20K to complete the book, professionally. A typical equivalent book retails for between $30-$45 dollars at today's rates. We'd prefer to sell 1,000 copies at $20 dollars and retain copyright, rather than sign copyright away to a publisher who would probablly sell the same at $35 dollars per book.

That way, it's cheaper for Drupal users and we (contributors to the book) retain the copyright..not a publisher. i.e. doing it our way, if 2,000 Drupal users order the book in advance, it only costs $10 dollars per book.

That's the initial plan and if we fall short on the advance sales we may turn to publishers for assistance. The bottom line is that we don't have a big budget to pay you for editing.

hope that makes sense and thanks again for offering help.

Dub

P.S. It will be based on 4.7 with a 4.8 appendix & footnotes that will be compiled/added close to publication date.

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

venkat-rk’s picture

Dub,

I don't remember if I have mentioned this before, but lulu.com, the braichild of Bob Young, founder of Red Hat is definitely worth looking for doing the publishing.

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

Hi Elaine,

can you click on MY ACCOUNT and switch on your contact form?

Thanks

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

alexis’s picture

Looking forward for more news, I'll be glad to help with what's needed, including perhaps an Spanish translation.

Keep in touch!

Alexis Bellido - A site for teleworkers

XHTML Teacher’s picture

Sorry, didn't realize it was off. Thank you for explaining how the compensation works; but I'm not too concerned about it. I'm primarily interested in helping make your project a success, which in turn will help Drupal users everywhere. :)

I do think that keeping the published book cost low and the publishing in-house and independent is an excellent idea.

Elaine

site (coming soon): www.megjackson.com
blog: www.pixelsurfers.net

Dublin Drupaller’s picture

thanks Magdeline.

Have had a minor/major setback with the book project. Someone who was brought in to project manage didn't deliver so while the project is still in progress, it's more than a few weeks behind.

Anyone interested in volunteering to project manage the project (and really can!) please drop me an email.

The delay will mean we will be doing well to get the book out before the end of january 07. So anyone else who is planning/thinking of doing a similar book, please don't let this hold you back.

Cheers

Dub

Currently in Switzerland working as an Application Developer with UBS Investment Bank...using Drupal 7 and lots of swiss chocolate

venkat-rk’s picture

Can't wait to get my hands on the book. Sorry I can't be of more help :-)