By summit on
Hi, I post this topic to tell you what I just learned today.
google is doing something new. google wave: wave.google.com
It would be great if drupal maybe good interface/api to this somehow. Don't know how yet, but it will give lots of new opportunities :)
Greetings,
Martijn
www.googlewaves.nl
www.trekking-world.com
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google wave
A drupal interface module sounds great.
Drupal from scratch?
I've been reading about the functionality of waves: email, instant messaging, groups, invitations, file sharing, integration with blogs, twitter, social networking api's, basically all creating a collaborative environment; and it seems to me that drupal has already made big headway toward integrating all these areas. If fact, from what I have read so far, recreating the functionality of google waves from the ground up in drupal doesn't seem all that hard programmatically. From what I hear, Google is going to open source a protocol, which an integration module would be built upon (importing exporting collaborative waves?), so there is probably no reason to recreate anything, but only integrate.
While I'm on the topic, I think drupal could recreate Knowledgetree, SugarCRM from scratch fairly easily also. I know there are also interface modules for these, and these projects are already open source, but this leads me to my last thought and a question for the drupal community...
What would be the developmental benefit for recreate a project like this from scratch?
For example, a drupal project management discussion group has talked about a drupal based project management system for some time.
I think the answer may be unrestricted customization by not being limited by the API of one of these existing non-drupal systems.
I'd like to hear more thoughts.
Wave is a new way to have one giant conversation
I don't think the point of Wave is to copy the UI / functionality using a completely different platform (in this case Drupal).
It's true, Drupal has all the power to do the things they demoed in Wave. In fact, there's not much you can do in Wave that you can't do in other clients — email, IM, blog comment steams, etc, etc. What's exciting about Wave is the way everything hooks together and is all in one place (or in many places, really, but redundantly). A thread in a blog comments is the same as the thread in the "new email" ie: Wave browser client.
Image how different the internet will be when instead of logging into Facebook, 6 Drupal sites, email (or more than one email account), and going to 27 blogs to have all these separate conversations in different spaces.... imagine a world where all those conversations happen in a unified space. Where everything is everything. Your facebook conversation shows up in your 'email' (which is now wave), etc. It means you no longer have to take the time to go track things down in different places. It's all one big place.
Wave excites me most when I remember how hard all this internet technology is for most people. I have three email addresses I use constantly these days, and have them all land in one email box. But people ask me all the time, "which address should I send this too" — which tells me they don't even know you can have multiple email accounts land into one box. They must be logging into their multiple addresses separately. Zeesh, how un-geeky! How many times are you in a email conversation with people who don't understand the difference between reply and reply-all? Or between CC and BCC. This technology has been in wide use now for decades, and people still don't get how to use it. It is my hope that Wave will replace geeky tools with tools so obvious that everyone can finally have their communication gathered into one place.
The Drupal Wave project should be all about hooking Drupal up to Wave — not "replacing" Wave with a duplicate but separate system. By hooking Drupal up to Wave APIs, we will allow conversations in Drupal wikis, Drupal forums, Drupal blogs posts and comments to all work with Wave. People will be able to post content to their Drupal site from inside the Wave interface. People's Wave i.d.s and Drupal user i.d.s will communicate together (if they aren't simply one and the same login).
Google Wave will not be the only Wave client. Just like email is a protocol that all kinds of different companies provide (hotmail, yahoo, custom-domain-based email systems, as well as gmail).... Wave will become a thing that Yahoo and whoever also provides. It won't be one company. It will be the whole internet.
This is going to change the way the internet works. And we want Drupal to be on the forefront on implementing it.
Jen Simmons
The Web Ahead
http://jensimmons.com
http://thewebahead.net
Totally agree - one question
I appreciate your comment, very much. Saw the Google waves demo two weeks ago. For me it was a knock out. It's a new paradigm. The biggest thing for collaboration since e-mail cam about late -70's.
You said it so well. It combines 'everyting'. (It it works:-)
One question
Do you see any way to give the individual user control over the access rights for content within created with Drupal or - in your opinion - will "my personal" documentation on a subject be on Waves?
Salesforce too?
It would be great if we could integrate with Salesforce as well - I think there would be a lot of traction in being able to work with their API, to whatever degree we can, with their "proprietary" SQL query-language variant.
-Kelly
-Kelly Bell
twitter: @kelly, @gothamdrupal
http://gothamcitydrupal.com
I'm watching video from I/O
I'm watching video from I/O now and it seems the integration of Wave is pretty easy. They showed Wave Embedding Api in custom made blog and Lars Rasmussen said that embedding "provide very live rich experience with very little code".
IMO, i actually don't think that Drupal needs full Wave implementation.
Wave could be used as an independent conversation system module for drupal with integration of users and stuff (maybe bio, avatar, etc but i think it'll be hard).
This module will provide for example new menu "Conversations" or "Waves" or wahtever you want and basically it will be module like Forum and Blog.
Also i think it'll be possible to integrate Blog and/or Forum module with Google Wave so by creating Blog Post/Forum Topic new conversation will be created in Google Wave, i aslo think that comment system for blogs which will be connected to G Wave should be replaced with G Wave reply system. No idea how it'll work if you want to allow anonymous comments, maybe Google Wave allows them so at least this problem's solved.
By the way, scince G Wave is open source Lars Rasmussen said that it's possible to take wave code and create own wave server.
P.S.: Here's embedding guide: http://code.google.com/intl/ru/apis/wave/embed/
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drag and drop from the desktop, yes!
drag and drop
Apart from entire wave integration, some of the techniques used in the demo are really cool to integrate to improve drupal ux. Drag and drop is just one of them. The demo shows so much more! But anyway, this is just about the drag and drop. As the whole of internet is moving toward mobile phones and touch interface, lack of drag and drop is starting to become an annoying interface limitation.
Rasmussen & co showed drag and drop from the desktop using Gears. They aim to get this as a standard into html5. This is going to take ages and based on their history, I wonder if microsoft will ever get onboard. What would be cool in Drupal is to have a support-api for drag and drop from different tools doing the same thing (gears, air, .net/silverlight, java), so that when the enduser has just one of these environments installed, they could use this functionality on a drupal site.
Onsite drag and drop (like with the waves in the demo) is something that should become available with Drupal 7 already.
Sidenotes
The wave demo is a development on the same track as that of (embedded) field and drupal 7/8 in general: improved touch and feel user interface, mobile implementation, collaboration and an online work environment.
I wonder about the wave protocol itself. I can imagine that it is necessary to have that live online collaboration from the demo, which is awesome.
The wave demo
Go check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ
I hope we won't be waiting
I hope we won't be waiting for too long for Drag & Drop.
Drupal, make waves
And Gábor is our prophet!
http://hojtsy.hu/blog/2008-sep-23/drupal-make-waves-and-mysite-running-s...
google wave as a next-generation CMS
watching the 80-minute presentation introducing google wave makes me wonder what impact the successful adoption of Google Wave could have on existing & competing content management systems (drupal, joomla, wordpress), version control systems (subversion, cvs, hg, monotone), instant messaging networks (aim, icq, jabber, msn, yim) photo sharing networks (flickr, webshots, picasa), social networks (orkut, facebook, twitter) etc. its like a next-generation platform that elegantly integrates and builds on all of the existing communication media. the tim o'reilly blog write-up is a good summary with screen captures: http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/05/google-wave-what-might-email-l.html
--sean
Drupal - Wave integration
We could have our Drupal cake and eat it too with Wave... by implementing robots in wave, a user could add a Drupal robot to a wave which would then handle node creation (XMLRPC or RDP, anyone?) with its home drupal site.
I've been playing with the very buggy sandbox this week and need to polish off my Python before I attempt to create something like this...
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Seems like someone wants to do it :D
http://drupal.org/project/wave
I've created a sub module for
I've created a sub module for the emfield project that allows for embedding of google waves. see #530526: Add a new contrib project for emwave. for details. Until the Embed API is more developed, I see that project as a better home for wave embeds... Plus it was the quickest means to do some testing :-)
Please check it out and see what you think...
Twitter account
Hi all,
I've started a DrupalWave Twitter account for us to use. I know it's not convenient for long posts but maybe just some of the more announcement-type stuff and smaller issues could be addressed there. I expect that I'm hardly the best candidate for inside information and the latest scoops -- I just want to make sure that we have a voice out there in Twitterland and to contribute any way I can. Having issued that last caveat, if folks are okay with me doing it, and would be willing to communicate with me about any news or announcements they have, I would be honored to do the posting to Twitter. If I don't have your vote of confidence on this though, no problem at all - I can transfer the account to whomever the group designates, or even delete the account entirely - we can always just use hashtags instead of having a formal account. I'm open to anything the group wants to do. The absolute key thing here is that people are willing to participate and respond as a group. It's only as useful as we make it, just like the IRC.
Also, I'd love it if any of you who are into it could reply to this post with lists of people you think we should Follow.
Thoughts?
-Kelly Bell
-Kelly Bell
twitter: @kelly, @gothamdrupal
http://gothamcitydrupal.com
hi, right now we can twave.
hi, right now we can twave. Have the twitter account info in a drupal wave!!
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@drupal
@google
@googleanalytics
@googlewave
@googlelabs
@avinashkaushik
depends on how far you want to cast the net - these are good for starters, though probs obvious.
-Kelly Bell
-Kelly Bell
twitter: @kelly, @gothamdrupal
http://gothamcitydrupal.com
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@volacci
@acquia
-Kelly Bell
twitter: @kelly, @gothamdrupal
http://gothamcitydrupal.com
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Change Sandbox embed url to live url
Anyone know how to change the sandbox embed code to use the "new" urls?
This is the important bit from the code:
Find more info here: http://code.google.com/apis/wave/embed/guide.html
Cheers, e
42droids.co.uk
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wave account
Hi,
I finally have a google wave account! I am on holidays so I can't use it much, because internet is very slow here..but great finally having access to this great new invention!
greetings, Martijn
Invites
Hey guys,
I'd like to push this a little, so I'll be giving my google wave invites out for the cause, on one condition: you return the favor (after I'm out of invites, pass yours on to others in this forum). I've been invited and I'm just waiting for it to come through (I've been warned this can take a while).
Reply to this comment with your email address and someone (me or others) will send you and invite. Before sending the invite however, please ensure you've replied to the request, so we don't get duplicate invites. I'm pretty sure that everyone gets 20 invites, so this should get everyone who wants an invite in. Hope to see you on the wave,
Calvin Tennant
figmentmedia.ca
i would like a google wave
i would like a google wave invitiation
email is behets * gmail * com
I'm sending you an invite. It
I'm sending you an invite. It took two days for mine to come through, so me patient. Remember to return the favor.
Argh, on revision I don't
Argh, on revision I don't have any invites. I guess google is really strapping this one down. Continue to add your emails here and I will be sure to invite as soon as I have invites.
bummer :)
bummer :)
You already got google wave
You already got google wave right?
too me fassoni * gmail *
too me fassoni * gmail * com
thanks
I just got my invites,
I just got my invites, sending this one now
thx
thx
invites
I've noticed that you can already get a Wave account just by going to wave.google.com and asking for one. It's not in the same "stream" as the Developer accounts though, so there's no crosstalk. I'm still a little confused as to how this is all going to work. For instance, when I was logged in to my gmail account the other day, I went to wave.google.com and it told me that "Wave is not yet implemented for your account. Learn More", implying that all gmail users will be auto-converted at some point. So what then happens to the account I've already created, AND my developer account? Right now it looks like they're all firewalled from each other.
Anyone have any better intelligence than I on this topic?
Cheers,
Kelly
-Kelly Bell
twitter: @kelly, @gothamdrupal
http://gothamcitydrupal.com
I think if you get an invite
I think if you get an invite its fastest. What's your email? I'll send one your way.
Yes! this would be so cool!
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Emfield + Google Wave...
So there's experimental support for Google Wave in Embedded Media Field. It's not fleshed out yet, and could use more attention, for any keen developers. I plan to work on that after I've finished getting the Media module whipped into shape.
Hi, I have the embedded media
Hi, I have the embedded media field wave installed, see www.googlewaves.nl
WOuld it be possible to show it to the people who do not have a wave account, and let people with a wave account join in to reply etc..?
right now people with no wave account do not see anything, right?
Greetings, Martijn
Media vs JQuery Media contrib modules
Could you tell us a little more about the differences between these two modules, especially how they interact (or don't) with or support Wave?
THANK YOU,
Kelly Bell
-Kelly Bell
twitter: @kelly, @gothamdrupal
http://gothamcitydrupal.com
Wave integrations
Hi everyone, I just received my Wave preview account. Has anyone integrated wave on a Drupal website yet? Perhaps there is a way for me to contibute? I have some recourses I could make available. I could offer up some server space or set up a drupal intranet/ webiste for the general good purpose of getting wave functionality and interactions between websites and their visitors?
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hI, Yes I have something
hI,
Yes I have something working on www.googlewaves.nl
See http://www.googlewaves.nl/google-wave-test , a public-wave with test inside.
Is it possible to show waves to the public (without edit-permissions), because they do not have a wave account?
And people with a wave account being able to add on the wave..
Would this be possible please?
Thanks for your reply!
PS Wave accounts are very easy to get now!, if you want one, just PM me.