How to extract file from my desk top?
Jeannie - June 20, 2009 - 17:21
Please can someone tell me why the version 6 won't open on my desk top? I can't get started with my web developer software programme until I figure this out. I've downloaded 7 zip but don't know how to extract the files.
Will i end up looking at drupal like it is on this page?
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Drupal will not run unless you have a server environment on your local machine.
to use 7zip right click on the tar.gz file and choose extract. More information about how to use 7zip is included in their documentation.
Please tell me how I would
Please tell me how I would know if I had a server environment?
If you have to ask that
If you have to ask that question, then the answer is "you don't".
Basically a "server environment" meaning you are running a "Server Operating System" such as Linux, Windows SERVER, or even MacOS. It also means you are running the webserver software (apache or IIS).
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Chris Barnes
If you dont remember
If you dont remember installing a server environment, then you probably have none.
You need to install XAMPP (see how some people have done it or where to get it by taking some few minutes of time to read through this => http://drupal.org/node/481750 & http://drupal.org/node/279604) or WAMP (look in support forums) or some similar package.
If you do so, after downloading XAMPP, it will take you about 10 - 30 min, depending on how you get along with it, to install it & prepare it for your Drupal installation.
Place your extracted drupal folder in the "htdocs" folder of Xampp & follow the rest of the instructions. It's not hard as it sounds.
thanks Lionheart I've gone
thanks Lionheart
I've gone wrong as i now have three desktop icons: 1 xampp and 2 wamp server. When i try to open xampp I get unknown publisher then when I click run an error says that its an incomplete download or damaged media error appears. I then click on the wamp icon, run through all the installation of wamp then it says finish then nothing happens.
Oh dear i wonder if I can manage this : (
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you don't need xampp and wamp installed at the same time.
WAMP will do nothing after installation, you must read through the documentation to work with WAMP.
Once WAMP is installed and runnig you can access folders within the WAMP folder structure with your browser and they will run as if they are server on the internet. typically you point your browser to localhost
you must put your drupal files in an accessible folder and access localhost/index.php
Hi thank you very much. OK if
Hi thank you very much.
OK if you can stand my ignorance here is where I am. WAMP is showing as server online in my bottom right hand corner of screen. Right clicking reveals a menu. Now, my unzipped drupal folder is on my desk top. What do I do next please
Lionheart links to the other discussions just don't make any sense I'm afraid. I'm probably punching above my weight but my god I don't want this to beat me. I'm a QwarkXpress lover person, not web designer : )
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the drupal files need to be put in your WAMP root folder usually www.
to navigate there, use your file manager. One windows this is usually "my computer"
OK, I've dropped my drupal
OK, I've dropped my drupal folder in www in wamp. Now, when I right click it, 7zip is there, what happens next as under 7zip, there's lots of options to add to archive or compress etc.
So far so good cheers. It would appear I'm a one task at a time person. Thought us women could multi task!
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you must extract the files. You do NOT need the .tar.gz file in WAMP. (I'd thought you'd already uncompressed them.)
move the tar.gz file back to your deskstop
extract the files (you may need to do this twice, 1) extratcing the .tar 2) extracting all the files and folders
you eventally want a folder on your desktop where once opened. you see the index.php of Drupal.
copy all files and folders to your WAMP www folder
now turn your attention to creating a drupal database
once the database is created, the information that you used to create it will need to be given to drupal's installer
run the installer by pointing your webbrowser to http://localhost
does the installer screen run?
These are extremely basis steps above, If you want to multitask and gett fuller explainations best to use the documentation previously pointed to.
not only are you learning drupal but the technology on which drupal runs. If this is the first time you've been on this path, you will find it overwhelming at first because of how much is involved. None of it extremely difficult mind you.
references to learn the tools you are using:
7-zip = http://www.7-zip.org/support.html
phpmyadmin = http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/docs.php
WAMP = http://www.wampserver.com/en/
MySQL = http://dev.mysql.com/doc/
ok In local host I've added
ok
In local host I've added phpmyadmin to local host line. I got prompted for username and password. It seems I've missed a step. Should these details have been established earlier?
Thanks for your patience
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try:
username = root
password = root
Oh that's not working I'm
Oh that's not working I'm afraid.
I think on the drupal 'getting started' page under 'drupal cookbook' I saw a link to webdeveloper and the tutorial under that is confusing to beginners. My problems started there it would appear.
Anyway can you please suggest another solution to my username/password problem, thanks so much.
Please follow this
Please follow this link,
http://drupal.org/node/481750
You might find it useful.
Good luck.
surely you can learn drupal
Please don't get disheartned.
Everything is bewildering in the beginning
If you have learnt QwarkXpress, surely you can learn drupal.
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try:
UN= root with no password.
If that doesn't work, you may have to ask on the WAMP forums or search the WAMP forums.
Thanks I've looked on the
Thanks I've looked on the other forums but no luck and thanks profjk to you too. I'll keep searching and let you know how I get on.
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I just threw together a WAMP install with WAMP from wampserver.com version 2.0h and the default username is root and there is no password (leave it blank)
if this isn't the case
you add remove programs and delete wampserver
remove the wamp folder from your computer
reinstall WAMP 2.0h
thanks for trying that out
thanks for trying that out your end. I removed wamp and even switched off norton for a sec (saw that as a solution for somebody on another thread) the downloaded it again. Root and no password doesn't work or any of the other combinations you said to try.It keeps bringing up the box then eventually say access denied. arrghhh this isn't easy.
HEY YES! I just downloaded
HEY YES!
I just downloaded the web developer suite and Drupal is now installed. Not sure how I managed it but it was easy compared to wamp and xammp (my computer wouldn't find a path for this). Somebody else put forward the passwords drupal_user for username and drupal_db_wdp for password and drupal for database. Then unique passwords for the installation.
Thanks so much for your help - now the really hard work begins I expect.
That's great
That's a great job Jill,
I can't believe a total newbie going so far in just 5-6 hours.
As an university professor, I am really impressed!!!!
@VeryMisunderstood: that's an impressive and commendable handholding.
JK
Gosh I was actually hanging
Gosh I was actually hanging around here for 12 hours but hey who's counting : )
I've come to the conclusion that for somebody to use the free downloads and get familiar with the interfaces (especially xamp as there's loads of potential downloads and no idea as to which one is best) then more than a modicum of knowledge is required. Paying for web developer has solved all my problems... so far. Maybe I had to go through all that with misunderstood to realise my limitations.
But of course now it appears cron needs scheduling. Hmm. I think I'll have the window open next to the seminar and go through it at the same time as commiting that to memory then executing might take me another 12 hours!
I tried to put screen dumps in here so misunderstood could see what I was looking at but there's no functionality for that and so a lot of guesswork is going on. Don't you think that would be excellent? Or would the site collapse with too much of that sort of thing?
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screencaptures can be uploaded to any photosharing site and linked to this site. But ultimately cron doesn't need to be run on your local machine if you want it to run, just pull up cron.php in your browser. When the browser is completed it will load a white page and your cron will have been run.
drupal on webdeveloper says I
drupal on webdeveloper says I need updates but it's not automatically looking at the download so do I need to upload it on ftp client? Can't see this in webdeveloper. Currently new 6.12 sits on my desktop (hopefully unZipped by now) and tried to import but lots of errors and red text a mile long. Help do you know what's wrong. I posted elsewhere here but was directed to a page I really don't understand as it requires ftp knowledge.
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you simply extract the files into your www folder or wherever you have drupal now on your localmachine.
Then call update.php in your browser.
FTP tools are for communicating from your local machine to a hosts server, in this case you are the host server so you have direct access to the folder structure without the need for a tool, like FTP.
Hi I think i need to go back
Hi I think i need to go back a step. To unzip this first, I'm sorry but I don't see the words you used in a previous post and hopefully this code will let you see what's visible to me. Which one is it I click please? I've never shared pictures before let alone try to upload a non jpg, gif etc file containing a a screen capture to a photosharing website : ). Don't ask how long it took to figure out my latest achievement!
http://i893.photobucket.com/a
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Jeannie123_album/drupalunzip.jpg
oh well where's the code gone? hmm. Try this direct link please.
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I see "extract files" in your menu. Use that or "open archive".
you really need to spend time with the 7-zip documentation to understand how that program works. You can't break anything.
I'd open archive, drag out the .tar archive to my desktop
then I'd open that arichive and drupal the drupal folder to my desktop
at that point you should have a folder with all drupal files and folders in inside it.
open the drupal folder
copy all files and folders to your public folder in your server environment
Thank you very much. I don't
Thank you very much. I don't know how to not get the files into drupal. Where is the public folder?
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the files ARE drupal.
you will need to use your file manager and browse to where you installed your server environment. there you will find a folder called www or public_html, I don't know what your envirnonment named this folder. I use WAMP and in WAMP its the www folder in c:/wamp/www
but again, I can't give you a direct path because I wasn't there when you installed your environment so I have no idea where it is on your machine. you need to spend time with the environment documentation to learn how the server environment works and what it does and such.
good luck
Hi, this server is not good
Hi, this server is not good for me so back to wamp. I've got drupal up and running but can't get the security updates in so figured i best to use wamp server that folk are familiar with.
Files in www folder easily,but..
The Drupal installer requires that you create a settings file as part of the installation process.
Copy the ./sites/default/default.settings.php file to ./sites/default/settings.php.
Change file permissions so that it is writable by the web server. If you are unsure how to grant file permissions, please consult the on-line handbook.
Copy the ./sites/default/default.settings.php file to ./sites/default/settings.php. ---where do I do this about please? don't know how. Online handbook assumes knowledge I've not got.
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you simply copy the file and name the copy settings.php
please file new forum threads for new questions. This thread has gotten far away from the original.
OK thanks, I'll post new
OK thanks, I'll post new threads.
I have done it ok now. I simply didn't realise to look in www first would you believe :)
Deserves an award
I nominate VeryMisunderstood for this years infinite patience award! Wow!
OK, is there anything that's been covered in this dialogue that wasn't clear in the existing installation instructions? Perhaps there are some concepts that were skipped over that could be written up better.
Jeannie, you have the ability to add anything directly to the docs that you found was missing! Feel free to give it a go. Your problem statements have been pretty clear to follow (which is great) so perhaps we can make a note of the troubleshooting tips you've learnt, to improve the documentation in general.
.dan.
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I have good days and bad days ; )
Well Said, dman!
Well Said, dman!
I have been following this thread, for a possible case study!!
I'm a writer so I can express
I'm a writer so I can express myself resonably well. I half expected to be told that If I didn't know what 'point your browser' actually means etc then I shouldn't be here. But of course maybe I'm punching above my weight :)
Ken has been extremely patient, thanks!! Otherwise I'd have given up when I realised how mad the webdeveloper suite is to operate. I didn't discover where its root folder was yet and wamp seems far easier (could have saved £70 if I had realised webdeveloper suite wasn't intrinsic to getting started - the drupal cookbook suggested getting this.)
I'm very happy you are here guys as folk like me wouldn't have a clue :)
Maybe a more extensive glossary of the most basic things would be good as people like me point their browsers etc every day but being all self taught then we've not got the jargon handled.
Now to discover what the database name, username and password is. Something tells me I should have made a note of the default settings when I had the chance!!
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where does the glossary stop though?
do we cover PHP, MySQL, Apache, IIS and every possible combination of environment out there? We do well with the Drupal glossary and explaining drupal terminology. They do well explaining their own glossaries. That said, you aren't new to a single program here. you are new to at least 5, the LAMP stack in use and Drupal.
You're right. It's not a
You're right. It's not a glossary but it could be a jargon buster. Do technical minds see how their words appear to users on the periphery? For instance, 'you must put your drupal files in an accessible folder and access localhost/index.php' Understanding what to do to 'access localhost/index.php' is difficult but ulimately very easy when you know what to do to actually access it. Do you look for a file called that or do you type it in etc.
There might not be a need for this and I might just be a dunderheid (as my jourmalism lecturer liked to say to any of us who were being 'thick!'.)
By the way what's a LAMP stack?
By the time I get this site built, SEO will have moved on several notches and I'll be 100,000,000 in the list of websites for my keywords : O)
I'm aware this thread is getting huge, sorry.
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LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP
WAMP = Windows, Apache, MySQL and PHP
MAMP = Mac, Apache, MySQL and PHP
technical stuff requires technical 'jargon'
How would you prfer this sentence gets written in a way that you would understand?
While keeping in mind that Drupal documentation writers can't assume where you are installing drupal or what software you are using to run drupal on top of.
Well I don't know if i'm to
Well I don't know if i'm to type localhost/index.php' in somewhere or hunt around for a folder callled this. The trouble I guess in that sentence is the word access.
LAMP could be written as: LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP). Acronyms always confuse and in an environment like this it's bewildering.
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localhost isn't a folder. it's a localhost. You are hosting locally (on your local machine) and not everyone's accessible folder is www as WAMP's is by default, and that can be changed.
acronyms are created by their respective communities not drupal. Though in Drupal we tend to abbrev. ie: D5 for Drupal 5 and D6 for Drupal 6 and even d.o. for drupal.org. Again, reading the documentation on the sites already given, helps clear all this up. This stuff that you are complaining about having a difficult time with isn't specific to drupal, drupal runs on top of these technologies. Feel free to edit documentation pages and put (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) where you see LAMP, it is within your power to do so.
Agreed there is a lot to learn, Agreed the documentation on Drupal.org could be better. However, if new users don't get involved in the process and help create the documents they would like to see then it's moot. When I write documentation I write that documentation based on my knowledge and try and run it through a newcomer filter, however, it's not always possible (for me) to know what new users know and don't know.
Much of the 'jargon' you seem to be having trouble with is easily defined using google or wikipedia.
if you don't like the word access, edit the page and put in what you think others, like yourself would find conveys the message better. Again, every registered user has the ability to add and edit documentation pages. All it takes is some effort on the part of those who find the current documentation difficult or lacking.
OK I agree with your
OK I agree with your comments. I'm going to put a new post up with a direct link to the drupal page and hopefully somebody -I don't expect you to do it as you probably wish Jeannie would disappear back into her lamp by now : ) - will help.
I'd like to do a basic guide by screen captures and would be happy to contribute to the documentation. Scary writing stuff when you guys know soooo much though.
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You aren't writing documentation to help those who already know, or know more (necessairily) and the fact that we know so much is usually what doesn't help when it comes to use writing documentation.
The best people to write documentation for new users is new users and they walk through and document their own stumbling blocks. Documentation can then be refined and made easier to understand for all. Those with an above average skillset can glaze over the stuff they already know looking for the nuggets of information they don't already know.
OK thanks for the
OK thanks for the encouragement.
Hey Jeannie, A best tutorial
Hey Jeannie,
A best tutorial for installing drupal as a beginner.
http://learnbythedrop.com/