Theme devavrata (and sub-themes)

unpublished. Does anybody care enough to let the author know? I don't.

I've mailed the author:

Dear Daniel,

Your project devavrata was unpublished because it has no code in CVS. Per http://drupal.org/node/7765, such projects are not allowed.

Your other theme "Phil-Arts Theme2" @ http://drupal.org/project/theme_philarts2 seems to contain code that cannot be licensed under the GPL; the Drag and Drop script and Adobe's "Spry" script.

Only code licensed under the GPL v2 or later is allowed on Drupal.org. Can you please remove the non GPL compliant code?

Please follow-up on the Webmasters' issue http://drupal.org/node/501364 .

Hi, I was just fixing the code's override files please publish it again so I can upload the the free version, please, I don't want to type the whole thing again, sorry for the delay.

Hi, download is available, i recreated the page, no need to publish again

http://drupal.org/project/devavrata_theme_free
http://drupal.org/project/theme_philarts2

No commits to either project, the first of which is a duplicate of the project unpublished in #1...

Hi, I have linked the file to download, which means, if you click the link to download, it will give you the linked file, I still have to configure my cvs account, I promise I'll do it tomorrow, It's really not my intension to drive away traffic, but my descriptions of the features contains lots of images, which you cannot accommodate here... or if you have any suggestion?

It's done

http://drupal.org/project/theme_philarts2 still does not have a release so I have unpublished the project. Also, it appears that the themes are now being 'renamed' in order to game the alphabetical theme listing:

This theme will be converted to 003 Dev Skin.

See also:
http://drupal.org/project/001_dev_skin
http://drupal.org/project/002_dev_skin

See also #524938: CVS doesn't see my new tags, the request the maintainer opened because he is not able to tag the files of the theme he created.

So it seems that the sub-themes are 'crippled' themes that have features (theme settings) that you have to pay for ($50) that are expected to work for all d.org themes. Is this acceptable for 'crippled' themes to be hosted on d.org? I don't think it is, but I would like to get a consensus from the webmasters.

[#522960]

For the "Theme-specific settings" function to work, is that just for paid customers?

yes it's a teaser, sorry for that, it's grayed because a lot of the settings are available only in the paid version, I added a lot of functions already and they are available for only $50, please check www.devavrata.com, more features to come, I just finished adding 31 borders and 9 shadow variations, please support, or you can try it first before paying no problem, just make a request.

Since his themes are also sub-themes of the 'Devavrata' theme, I would like him to stop his attempt to game the theme listing system and name his sub-themes 'Devavrata 001 Skin' instead of '001 Dev Skin'.

I would like to get an answer from the maintainer about both of these questions before re-publishing the two sub-themes.

Wow-- theme gaming is really taking off. Between this issue, #526194: Shedload of auto-generated Artisteer "themes" dumped into d.o by IDThemes - please moderate, and #484044: 0 Point theme gaming the alphabetical listing it seems themes are the new spam. We probably need to come up with a cvs policy for drupal.org themes.

+1 for not allowing crippled themes in any way, shape or form. The proper way to promote a theming site is how topnotchthemes does it-- release a few complete GPL themes not crippled versions.

Here's some bullet points to get us started:

1) no 'crippled' or incomplete themes
2) no numerals or punctuation in the title (and no words like 'aaaa theme').

anyone else?

1) no 'crippled' or incomplete themes
2) no numerals or punctuation in the title (and no words like 'aaaa theme').

I think that the rules you list should be applied to modules too.

For the themes, I would add the rule "don't allow themes that have code completely generated by a script, or any kind of program". I can understand the case where a person opens a HTML editor, creates a page using a preset theme, and then creates a Drupal template file from that file (until the person doesn't create a dozen of such themes); I cannot understand the case where the code is automatically, and completely generated by a program.

The subject of this issue has totally changed... Updating title to reflect that. Or we can move to a new issue....

Michelle

http://groups.drupal.org/drupalorg-policies

Please followup in http://groups.drupal.org/node/24465

Changing the title back since we have a separate place to discuss the policies.

Well, for one, it's not a crippled theme, it's just that it has less features, it's functioning as promised on the description, the discription is about the slideshow integration. If the webmaster wants to take it out, I can't do anything, regarding the name game, you have to change the system, I am just uploading and everybody knows that 0 comes first so what's the hypocracy? A lot of people are happy with my designs, you can go on your old, old ways....

Hallo all,

I read this thread and I think wrong judgments are made in this case.
The original issue was solved, the project has code to download.

The second issue brought up in this thread about the naming of the themes to get at the top of the themes list is easily solved by contacting the theme maintainer. There was no naming policy in place I think for themes and modules. Another point is why is this sort order so important. Why not change it to z-a or make it random. I don't think it is necessary for people browsing themes on names, they are not very descriptive what to expect from a theme compared to modules. If themes are not allowed to start with numbers, contributers can always choose the names like aaa. (moderation of names needed?)

The third issue about the theme being crippled. I think the theme you can download for free works perfectly and has more default settings then most themes in the repository. Themes with less functionality and commercial advanced themes can be found more on drupal. Also from the bigger themebuilding companies.

Drupal is becoming commercial. I think the community has to acknowledge that.

I can understand Daniel Honrade his reaction.

And I think it is wrong to count 1 + 1+ 1 = 3,

Issue 1 Changing the issue title back to the original text.
And I think issue this issue is closed.

Issue 2 Can be solved with the themes maintainer, but needs work on drupal.org (still themes starting with numbers or name like "a block" or "a blue print theme" will exist. to get "advantage".

Issue 3, Yes drupal is becoming commercial, I see it all over the place at drupal.org and groups.drupal.org. People promoting their businesses and not only on project pages. Some on every post they make.

Until now there have not been precise policies about the module / theme names, but gaming the alphabetical list has always been blocked by the webmasters.

Even in the case Drupal is becoming more commercial, there are some rules to follow, in the respect of the community.

Also, it was pointed out on IRC that themes which start with a number can't use the preprocess system because, for example, 000cooltheme_preprocess_node() is not a valid function. PHP functions must start with a letter. So starting a theme name with a number cripples it right there.

Michelle

Set Issue title back to the original again: I don't see why the issue title has to be changed from the original Issue. That issue is fixed. (you can also all see that issue was fixed within two days after the project was published) I will set this issue to fixed.

In #8 I don't see why issue 1 has to be connected with issue 2 and in #12 why issue 3 has to be connected to the other issues (where the meaning of crippled is still very different from not being able to make preprocess functions for the themes starting with a number).

I and I think all users understand that rules have to be followed in a community, but is it not more polite to explain the rules to (new) users. Please give advise for a solution.

I can tell you all that the name game/crippled (in the way a theme can not have preprocess functions)/not showing more then the free theme offers issues will be solved soon or are already solved by Daniel (I talked to him). If you want to follow up on that please make a new issue.

All can see this is Daniels first commit to the repository. I hope the webadmins are more understanding with all the other new designers using CVS to upload their themes.

@ppblaauw: Please leave the changing status field for issues in this queue to the d.org webmasters. This issue is still valid for Daniel's subtheme (http://drupal.org/project/theme_philarts2) that was created on September 11, 2008 but did not contain any code of any kind as of my reply in #8.

We still need Daniel's agreement to rename the sub modules since they start with numbers. I have proposed 'Devavrata 001' or something similar. I will create a separate issue for the attempt to game the theme listing.

For renaming the sub-themes, separate issue has been created: #529484: 001 Dev Skin and 002 Dev Skin themes must be renamed

Still need to do something about theme_philarts2 which has no code after more than 10 months.

Why are there so many greyed-out settings? This is probably the problem that another user reported in [#522960] hence comment #12.

@dave reply on #23 #24

I did not know that in this issue queue only d.org webmasters are allowed to change the issue status. Will not change it again.

in #4 Daniel said already that http://drupal.org/project/theme_philarts2 does not have to be published again. ISSUE FIXED

I am sure he will confirm what I said and he will change the theme names.

@dave reply on #25

I am also sure Daniel will get the settings from the free themes which can only be used in paid versions.

I hope you see if you follow the threads that Daniel is doing what he has to do, to comply to the "rules" on Drupal.org. Just give him time to do so.

I'have been wondering, why all of a sudden people became interested on names and more features. Is it just mine? Anyway these are easily solved by taking out all the features and leave it bare just like the other themes, so you won't have to think about. Regarding the names, I just got the idea from 007 theme 1024, etc., they have been there since time immemorial and nobody seems to mind... are you favore some themers? You can just set rules for newbies like:

1) Don't write names which will make you first
2) Don't advertise your theme features because others don't have features
3) Don't contribute more than 1
4) Don't complain when your projects are unpublished without notice or you will be kicked out.

These should be in the members contracted, I should have known before hand so I won't do it again, thank Drupal.org for giving me an opportunity to waste my time.

I did not know that in this issue queue only d.org webmasters are allowed to change the issue status.

You should not set as fixed a issue that still needs to be resolved; this is valid for every issue queue, not only this one.

I hope you see if you follow the threads that Daniel is doing what he has to do, to comply to the "rules" on Drupal.org.

As Dave reported, the theme created by danielhonrade still contains grayed settings; that is not acceptable for a theme hosted on d.o.

@#27: What you write is a little silly.
There is not a limit on the projects you can maintain, but you cannot create (in example) 27 themes at once, and pretend you will be able to support all of them.
When projects are unpublished is because the maintainer did something webmasters cannot accept; in those cases, you will hear from them shortly.

You are missing the main point, anyway. The short name you used for your theme contains a number as first character; that means you cannot use any functions because PHP function names are not allowed to start with a number. All Drupal themes use at least a function; in your case, this is not possible, and this means your theme should not be considered a Drupal theme.

These are all talk, I don't think you downloaded it and tried it. 001 and 002 are using a base theme devavrata_free_bare a php theme, both 001 and 002 are all pure css subthemes or skins, it means they are not using their functions. THEY ARE USING DEVAVRATA_FREE_BARE functions.

I have a live site that is using these skins www.free.devavrata.com, please don't make any judgment before trying it. Too much talk means less thinking. I am a programmer and a designer, I created these themes and also using these themes. I don't know where you got your information, probably because others says so, you just believe it, you should have a firsthand information or you are just following the blind going to the ditch.

For your info, this is the trend right now, the subthemes or skins, because they are faster and easier to do, my commercial versions have more than 50 settings which can be customized and save for creating skins' default settings.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO ARE NEWBIES HERE, ME, YOU OR THE MAINTAINERS? I JUST CREATED THESE THEMES FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, I HOPE TO GET ENCOURAGEMENTS BUT IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND, IS THIS A DRUPAL CULTURE THAT EX-DRUPALISTS ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY THERE'S JOOMLA INSTEAD OF JUST MAMBO. Please grow up men.

You already copied the "001 Dev Skin" data into the "Devavrata Core Theme" repository; there is not the need to have another repository for "001 Dev Skin", or "002 Dev Skin".
As you should notice, none of the Drupal themes, even if they are sub-themes, contains just CSS, and JavaScript files. Then, you even call them skins, which means you admit they are not themes.

@danielhonrade: Just because you aren't using functions in it does not mean that people who use your themes won't want to add functionality. By starting the theme name with a number, you are breaking normal functionality. That is a problem whether you want to admit it or not, and a good enough reason to not allow themes named as such in the repository. If you want to release them on your own site, that's fine. No one is going to force you to do something you don't want to do on your own site. But using the drupal.org repository comes with more responisbility and some constraints on what you are allowed to do.

Michelle

Hi,

I am also new to Drupal switch from other CMS. For newbie like me I understand and sympathize on what Daniel Honrade had said and I think daniel has a valid point on this.

I'have been wondering, why all of a sudden people became interested on names and more features. Is it just mine? Anyway these are easily solved by taking out all the features and leave it bare just like the other themes, so you won't have to think about. Regarding the names, I just got the idea from 007 theme 1024, etc., they have been there since time immemorial and nobody seems to mind... are you favore some themers? You can just set rules for newbies like:

We know some CMS's becomes more popular because of tons of Themes to choose from, So we newbie that are just switching expect that the community will encourage those newbie themer and If there are mistakes, good advice is what we need from seniors in the community.

As what daniel had said, If giving a name starting with numbers to a theme is not allowed then it must be applicable to all.

So what will happen to 1024 theme or 007 theme and many? If daniel got an idea on this name for his theme and kicked out by following this naming convention and all this theme will still be available in d.o then another newbie themer in the future will also become daniel honrade.

I wish d.o don't kick me out also, just observing and wish I can contribute themes in the future.

@danreb: Ideally, they will be renamed to something that confirms to the guidelines and remain on drupal.org. If the maintainers choose to throw a fit and remove support for their themes because we tell them we want them to follow PHP rules and start with a letter well, then, the projects will likely be unpublished.

Michelle

As part of my plan to followup with our number policy, I have gone through and created issues for the rest of the offending themes:
007 niGraphic Studio Theme: #531698: Theme names cannot start with numbers
1024_v: #531670: Unpublishing the 1024_v theme (no code, theme name starting with numbers)
1024px: #531694: Theme names cannot start with numbers
4_of_July: #531692: Theme names cannot start with numbers

The 960 Robots and 960.gs Fluid themes were not found in violation because they are based off the literal "960" grid system (http://960.gs/) and use project short names that do not begin with numbers, so they can have working preprocess functions.

@danreb: I don't know why we would be kicking you out, that's absurd.

I think the issue has changed, the original issue is closed since there is no more project/devavrata_theme, project/001_dev_skin, project/002_dev_skin, I request the maintainers to delete them also in the cvs, i will just support project/devavrata_free_bare, which I also includs skins 001 and 002. I can't wait for the new system in uploading themes if ever there will be.

This could have been avoided if none has started it and there's a clear guideline. It's like playing basketball and changing the rules in the middle of the play.

We still have an issue regarding the large amount of disabled checkboxes for the 'free' version which gives the impression that it has been 'crippled'. Also, be sure to read the handbook on project issue statuses (http://drupal.org/node/156119), as you should only use 'fixed' and not 'closed'.

so danreb from the philippines supports what danielhonrade from the philippines says. This thread has now officially descended into farce. If you're going to create new accounts to fight your corner, be a touch more creative. :-))

dah...?!?

Taken from the project page:

001_dev_skin and 002_dev_skin are now included in this core theme because themes starting with numbers are not allowed(probably only applies to newbies or not employed by ________) and will not function as claimed by the webmasters, can't argue on this, you better try it and see for yourself. Drupal rocks but the _______ rots.

I guess that his knowledge of PHP programming doesn't include the details about the function names allowed by PHP.

It should be enough that he created another theme doing something that he has been said to not do; if then the theme contains disabled features, that is a reason more to not publish the theme.

Spreading FUD and trolling on the project page? Personally, I'm in favor of revoking CVS access for that. Any seconds?

Michelle

I was just thinking of making the theme unpublished, but maybe to block his CVS account is the best thing to do.

He will keep to think he is right, but that doesn't matter; he is obviously wrong, and his words have just the effect to confirm he is wrong.

Yeah-- I'm with Michelle. Enough is enough. Publishing code on drupal.org is not a right-- it's a privilege. And throwing a tantrum because you got caught trying to game the system is reason enough to take away that privilege.

@eslou - I don't get it, Do you think that I and daniel honrade are the same person? This is not true, maybe you need to check http://groups.drupal.org/philippines and you can see that daniel and danreb are not the same.
Don't get me wrong I just want to explore and develop with drupal freely, as I said I am newbie here. At the time I made a comment, I see a lot of themes with a name starting with number so I think that daniel has a valid point on that, But as the reply said that they already made an action to those themes, so I have no further question on that because it is now clear to me that it is not allowable to make a theme starting with numbers.

Daniel said he is a programmer and I am not. If ever I will create a theme in the future that I will distribute in d.o , I know it must not start with numbers.

I wish I clear myself about this, excuse me for my ignorance. As I said I am newbie here.

duh?!? hey, live your lives, don't be such losers... do something better than what I am doing to prove your point and not to kick me out. Drupal's website it really funny in terms of design, search, etc., please prioritize these things. Drupal is great and a kick ass cms but it is run by kids.

@danielhonrade: Actually, the only one who has been acting like a child is you. We are responsible webmasters ensuring that our repro's integrity is maintained. Instead of working with us, you have thrown tantrums and called us names along the way. No one is going to kick you off drupal.org but there is some question of whether we want someone who has caused such problems to be allowed the priviledge of a CVS account. In my opinion, you have lost that right with your actions, but I am waiting to discuss with the other CVS admins because that is not a decision to be taken lightly.

Michelle

I am totally reserving the right to kick him off drupal.org in case he continues to be annoying.

Actiually, I've read #45 after I wrote my last comment and decided that enough is enough. I've disabled the cvs account for now, I'll block the drupal.org account too if no improvement in his behaviour can be diagnosed. Since the project has alraedy been unpublished, this is apparently fixed.

There is still a Devavrata theme, that should be unpublished.

Kiam is referring to this one: http://drupal.org/project/devavrata_free_bare which I just unpublished.

Problem solved, finally.

Just an FYI that on http://drupal.org/user/351112:

Devavrata Core Theme (FREE Version) deleted by the webmasters
001 Dev Skin (for Devavrata Core Theme) deleted by the webmasters
002 Dev Skin (for Devavrata Core Theme) deleted by the webmasters

Yeah-- I'm having a problem with this. Having an account and code on drupal.org is a privilege-- not a right. Why are we tolerating the spread of this FUD? A responsible person who disagrees with a webmaster decision would reference the issue.

That is not even the original text, which contained a - reason ( I am annoying ) in the first line; I removed that part as I reported in #561054: Changed the text appearing on a user profile.

I didn't delete the rest of the sentence because it is true (even if the themes have been unpublished). I am not condoning what he did, anyway.

AFAIK It's a fact that webmasters removed the themes. I don't have a problem with this text.

Hi, I have to state this on my profile to inform those who downloaded the themes, because I am getting emails about it, so I hope this is not causing any trouble to anyone, or you have any suggestions? This thing really caused a big trouble to me, have to answer them all the time.

Regarding the annoying part, it is true that I got an email from Gerhard Killesreiter that the reason why my privilege of contributing was taken away was that I am annoying.

I am not benefiting from this, I just want to share my themes and ideas regarding theme developments. I'll be happy to give my paid themes for FREE to any module developer in Drupal if they just make any request.

No problem at all, this thread is closed.