I tried to avoid filing this issue but as he now caused direct harm as seen in http://drupal.org/comment/reply/508062#comment-1779146 I have no other choice. We all know bpo_canada / gloscon / roshan_shan and I know Kieran tries to communicate with his but then dont we have double standards ourselves if we do not block him?

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chx’s picture

Reminders http://drupal.org/project/issues/webmasters?text=gloscon&status=All&prio... here. To sum up, he earned a ban by spamming forums, constantly bickering on site with ... i do not even know, former employees or clients but i do not care either. And his much touted contributions to Drupal? http://www.gloscon.com/blogs/roshan/dropping-support-for-our-drupal-cont...

vm’s picture

If we're going to block one, shouldn't all of his usernames be blocked?

I'm also aware of:
http://drupal.org/user/101303
http://drupal.org/user/75934

I believe there is one or two others as well.

chx’s picture

Of course, did not know those were still active.

bonobo’s picture

Between:

1. the multiple usernames,
2. the multiple threads that deteriorate into name calling and recriminations,
3. what appears to be a general antipathy toward the Drupal community at large, and
4. behavior that requires an inordinate amount of time from site maintainers,

I +1 this.

roshan_shah’s picture

Feel free to review my last 6 months posts carefully to get the context.

If challenging a wrong process deserves a block, I'll be glad that I did because whatever matters I have highlighted are real and impacts drupal growth in general besides a block may have financial impact on our company. We also have contributed to drupal ecosystem - even though it may be a tiny bit.

I have also asked my team not to respond to this post so its now up to the web-masters and whoever runs drupal.org to take a decision carefully.

WorldFallz’s picture

I agree with bonobo and chx-- my tolerance for this crap is growing ever smaller. Pull the trigger.

vm’s picture

Feel free to review my last 6 months posts carefully to get the context.

IMO, the above is a very thin excuse for a personal crusade in which this user is interjecting personal opinions and bias into issues that have nothing to do with him/her as seen in http://drupal.org/node/508062.

This is a classic case of "sour grapes"

tgeller’s picture

-1 for blocking.

I'd agree that his posts have been unnecessarily confrontational at times. For example, in the discussion at http://drupal.org/comment/reply/508062 he turned up the heat on a conversation that, until he appeared, was actually working toward a reasonable resolution. (Hey, when something's badly written, it's badly written.)

But I believe this is a case of cultural and personality friction, not substance. He always supports his arguments, and (as far as I've seen) has never resorted to ad-hominem attacks. (Sorry, chx, but suggesting that there's a "double standard" isn't libel. It might be wrong, but it's not libel.)

What, exactly, is his bannable offense?

stephthegeek’s picture

I'm a -1 for blocking as well. Roshan, you've ruffled some feathers and I know it's been a huge drain on maintainers' resources (heck, I'm one of them as the moderator for the paid services forum) -- but I think Roshan has been to some degree unfairly targeted and banning is a HUGE and undeserved statement. This is not a backyard treehouse. It's easy for us "insiders" in the Drupal community to sit on our pillars and be able to do no wrong from a standpoint of open source warm fuzzies and full Drupal community integration.

Not that there aren't people and companies who will try to take advantage of the Drupal community to push their commercial gains. But I've seen some serious backlash lately against product-based endeavours, legit SEO firms, and foreign developers/companies because of what I feel are cultural or industry biases.

I don't know that there's a way of gracefully recovering the relationship here but I think that banning would be wrong.

bonobo’s picture

After getting a good night sleep, and thinking on this intermittently throughout the day, I will admit less certainty than in my earlier comment --

RE ad hominem attacks: this feels pretty close: http://drupal.org/node/283273#comment-973170

But really, that's not even the point. People can, will, and should disagree. But drupal.org is a volunteer-run system. No one is under any obligation to do *anything* here. Every member of this community could (in theory, anyways) stop posting code, comments, etc, on drupal.org, and that would be okay, because we have all *chosen* to volunteer our time here -- no one is under any obligation to do anything on drupal.org.

So, I guess I'm neutral re blocking the account. But I'm very much in favor of treating community members with respect, and I don't have much time to give to people who don't.

My .02 (or .04 at this point).

killes@www.drop.org’s picture

Status: Active » Closed (won't fix)

While it is a tempting idea, I also do not think we should pursue this.

What we need is the right attitude towars his hostility: laugh at it and consider it entertainment.

tgeller’s picture

bonobo writes:

I'm very much in favor of treating community members with respect

Always good advice. :)

roshan_shah’s picture

I'm not too sure if everyone is aware on the background on LI case study. I hope someone can point me at least few instances where 1) a "Ref Check" was done with client and 2) Story still not on front page and 3) No update anywhere on what needs to be improved or even a feedback that story is not good for frontpage.

If at all the content was not fit, no point in doing ref check and I even doubt on legality of doing such an email validation. If I call other's customers doing ref checks, imagine how they would feel. I'm very very concerned with this.

Many of my posts have been mostly seeking clarifications and in many cases only when I have pushed the envelope, there has been some process written up.

here is an example - http://drupal.org/node/161151#comment-258648

If there is permission, I would love to exchange entire email threads on various areas while working with people of drupal association on my personal blog to show what others are not seeing. I'll spare Drupal.org infrastructure to carry on this but certainly do need permission to put up full email contents of my exchanges on various topics.

ac’s picture

^ I think this is why people want to block you Roshan. You don't read the posts before yours.

techrobo’s picture

-1 for blocking.
better reply to his concerns.
See this http://drupal.org/node/386278/revisions promoted by ones who wrote it.
Hope you can form some teams who take responsibility to review the content and vote for it. Make sure at least 5 webmasters reviews it, if 3 agrees publish, publish it. Or if they find it interesting but vote for improvement pass it to other team of experts who would like to improve the content & publish it.

Hopefully, then double standard questions will not arise.

kaakuu’s picture

My apologies for popping in my nose here but this thread seem to be constantly popping up in the tracker today.

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Is it not possible to discuss the issue of blocking or not blocking someone possible in a private forum by the site admins/mods or site editors

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Do you think if it is meant to be public and transparent there should be a poll then?

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Cannot the front page or homepage be designed to have

  • the permanent topmost row of blocks describing Drupal and the download sticky teaser below it
  • two or three top sticky teaser of showcase sites or issues as determined by Eds
  • the remaining front page teaser / articles voted by the community just like digg or something better
  • chx’s picture

    this issue is wont fix. locking.