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This quote caught my attention
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/wordpress-28-out-raises-usability-bar...
Drupal's current UI development works are being done in a Wordpress blog http://www.d7ux.org/ - what more can be said? Many of the Wordpress features are being "feature-lifted", maybe under new skins, to combat market share losses to WP.
I find a lot of Drupal blogs are in fact wordpress blogs, and as the above poster states, "what more can be said". I have to agree, it clearly indicates a lack of loyalty towards Drupal CMS. I often hear Drupal users say if you want a blog, use Wordpress and if you want a community site use Drupal, I fail to see the logic in this.
Is Drupal not a content management system capable of doing blogs as well ? Is Drupal not the greatest thing since sliced bread as so many claim it is ? I get tired of seeing Drupal blogs using Wordpress. It would appear that more people are using Wordpress for their CMS and not just blogs.
I point this out mainly because I'd like to see future versions of Drupal make it unnecessary to have to use Wordpress for their blog. Out of the box, it should be very simple to use Drupal for a blog or any site.
Bottom line, no self respecting Drupaler should be using Wordpress for their blog.
Comments
Think Open Source
This is one of the joys of workign in the open source world. Developers are can choose the tools that best meet their needs rather than being tied to a specific set of products. Developers in the proprietary world are pressured to use their employers products at all costs. Proprietary development is about maximizing profit and market share.
Open source development is about creating the best tools to do a job. If the job at hand is setting up a simple blog and Word Press can get you up and running faster than Drupal it makes perfect sense to use Word Press so that you can get on with your primary task of making Drupal better.
I have seen numerous websites
I have seen numerous full-featured websites made with WordPress, they're not even blogs...
I think WordPress can do more than blogs, as Drupal can do more than community sites, so it's up to the user's experience to choose which one they want to work with.
Each has it's pros and cons.
Frankly, lately I am seeing less and less support at Drupal, what's going on?? a year ago there was more activity and response to requests.
No wonder Drupal-ers are 'looking around'...
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Drupal registrations and installations are growing and growing-- if the support in the forums is shrinking, the explanation is quite simple: many of those that use drupal do not contribute back in the forums.
The non programmer
The non programmer documentation and real world application tutorials of Drupal and it's accompanying modules are slightly lacking (understatement). Drupal is the type of application that will intrigue you and make you thirst for more knowledge, but it won't be there for you unless you are a coder or understand code logic. To even search the knowledge base is quite the task as most discussions are between coders.
Your next option is to ask questions, and WorldFallz seems to be one of the very few "wonderful and helpful" people of this vast community.
If you ask me, I think the beautiful minds of the community are very much (and rightfully) engrossed in the D7 release.
drewpalmajor, you are
drewpalmajor, you are diplomatically correct, and I have to vote for you in the next political elections...;)
I can deduce a lot of things from what you wrote, but all can be argued.
e.g.:
Are you saying that the support is lacking because most of the 'experts' are not interested in version 6 anymore, or at least not working with it?
To add to my previous post: I think we are getting more replies to criticism and sarcasm than technical matters. I think all criticism of Drupal should be completely ignored and discouraged. It's a forum after all, if you don't reply, it will be demoted to the dungeons...
Let's not forget the reason
Let's not forget the reason for a support forum in the first place, Drupal is a heavy piece of cms machinery that requires some tutoring/help in setting it up. If Drupal were less complicated, there would be little need to have to always be groveling for help in the forms. Although I do believe the start documentation is key and making it better will go a long way in helping novice users find their way. With Wordpress, documentation is not necessary initially, it's that simple to run with.
Since Wordpress has been improved upon, unless you have a coding need, there's little or no reason to have to go to the forums unless you have a custom issue or request.
Drupal has a reputation for being overly complicated, a resource intensive hog and well just plain different, a programmers cms, not for regular users. I believe this to be a limitation.
Any 4 year old can setup a Wordpress Install. I'm not saying make Drupal too easy, only to make it so everyone can easily manage it.
You don't actually read
You don't actually read articles like the one linked above and think it represents anything to do with the Drupal community or how Drupal sites are built, do you? I for one, don't.
If you want a generic blog, go for Wordpress. In fact, go twice. It's a great blogging platform, and that's what it's built for. <-- (that's the important bit!)
Personally, I don't build blogs. I build websites powered on Drupal, that may, or may not, contain blogs. And I think that's a fundamental difference.
Out of the box Drupal behaves as a blog, and has everything you want it to be as a blog. But when you want something a bit more, and not even community oriented, it can handle it, and handle it all too well! In a former life I've been forced to hack WP to do some things that I don't think it should, but have never felt the same way about Drupal. Drupal is what you want it to be, and no blog can be anything more than a blog.
Put it to rest, WP vs Drupal is bollocks. It's like apples and oranges, wok vs frying pan, or car vs motorcycle. Choose, your tools, and choose them wisely, I for one, am sticking with the one that works best, and that's Drupal all the way.
PS. Any thoughts about forum posts and how people posted this and that I think are rubbish. I for one, post when I have time and have an answer that someone else doesn't have, or is actually useful to the community, and if you track my posts you'll see that's not that many in the grand scheme of things, in fact, not very many at all. But to me that's a grand testimony to the Drupal community, there are so many answers out there already, and so many people willing to help, that if you have a question there's already an answer, and if it hasn't been answered yet, it will be before someone else gets there. I read the forums on a regular basis, and basically think that I've got no place to help because all the questions within my realm are answered, and that makes me feel sad that I couldn't help, but glad that I wasn't needed.
Drupal is saving my business
I love Drupal. It is making it possible for me to compete with people in other parts of the world where what I do goes for peanuts on the dollar. Without Drupal I would sink into the global quagmire of diminishing returns on my efforts to make a buck. That said, I used WP when asked to use WP and thats the only reason. There's never been anything I couldn't do in Drupal that was available in WP but can't say the reverse is true. The only thing that WP has over Drupal is the fact that you can edit the template and CSS right in the CMS, which is useful for people who can't understand the concept of FTP and the idea that your computer is able to send files to another computer by connecting to it over the internet. I think WP just has alot of clout because of its reputation as the perfect blogging platform. The only people who know Drupal are us web dev folks who are looking for the swiss army knife of web development.... and Drupal is that knife, and believe me I cut me some steak with it, saw a tree limb, and cut a cool paper doll with the scissors for the kid next to me. When I mention Drupal to clients they glaze over and then I say... its like Word Press for building enterprise websites, then they go, "Oh wordpress... my so and so has a blog with that". Sorry to be an opinion based guy and not a facts based guy on this post, but shiznit... I coulda lost my house without Drupal.