Create pages
osmorphyus - October 10, 2009 - 17:15
CREATE CONTETNT - DOES NOT FEATURE PAGE!
ONLY STORY AND FORUM TOPIC!
how do i CREATE A PAGE!?
Thread locked by VM; OP's question answered thoroughly and thread was spiraling into something totally unproductive. VM shares responsibility for the downward spiral.
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Please refrain from typing in all CAPS.
page content type is provided by the node.module
is the node.module part of your installation? is the node.module file corrupted in anyway?
did you at any time delete the page content type from administer -> content types?
what is the exact version of drupal in use?
what modules are enabled both, core and contrib
yes, because the way to add
yes, because the way to add content to yuour page/story makes NO sense at all.
why it is in its own little area called "create content" is beyond logic. so i wound up deleting the page, because it came off as a page in my mind, and not as, deleting the actual method of creating pages.
so, please tell me i *do not* have to reinstall the whole damn app again, because its getting redundant, especially with how long it takes to delete and upload to my server via ftp.
and caps are ok, sometimes caps are misunderstood. theyre a good way to express severe frustration.
and here we go, exact version incase it seriously somehow matters is 6.4, basic core install, no extra nothin's. forums on, blah....
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I have no idea what you are trying to convey or what the "yes" is in reference to. I asked 4 questions and you've provided a single answer in the afirmative.
While the forms look similar, the page and story are two different content types with different features. There are documentation pages that describe what each content type does. see: http://drupal.org/node/31331
Create content is simply a menu item leading you to the content types that can be created. Have you checked your adminsiter -> menus -> navigation -> create content menu item parent? to see if page is still enabled?
Your assumption was wrong and you deleted the page content type that is provided by the node.module.
if you removed the menu items, put them back. If you removed the page content type, you can try creating a new one with the proper filters. If that doesn't work you can "try" on a test site (being a duplicate of your production site) disabling and reenabling the node module manually in the DB. (NOTE: this method is untested.)
.....not to mention get your questions ignored.
Ideally a test site would be a wonderful thing for you to have so that you don't have to express severe frustration when you aren't following best practices. Another best practice would be database backups before you alter anything. This allows you to check the site after changes are made removing some of the redundancy you seem to be running into. There are modules that help you backup your database in the downloads area. Having a decent toolbox at your disposal on your localmachine can help a great deal as well.
well, this is a test site for
well, this is a test site for the most part, but i have had to deal with reuploading the damn thing so many times, after a while you just want it to work like you want it to.
i have a test both online and on my computer, most of my testing is done on my computer. i only uploaded to the site for live testing to test my theming.
as for the affirmitive, that was in regards to "did you delete..."
"oh lord, dont let me be misunderstood."
as far as putting menu items back, how? how do i create these filters or really do anything youre driving at? for the most part, drup's an easy system to learn, but why the administration has an option to delete "page/story" creation doesnt make any immidiate sense to me. if we can delete it, we should be able to put it back just as easily.
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A test site is a site that can be completely deleted without issue. Based on your description this is not the case. There should be no hassle about reinstalling drupal. Empty the database, upload a new settings.php file and reinstall. You don't have to upload all the files again.
to try and create a new page content type:
go to administer -> content types
add a new content type
call it page
set the proper settings for the content type.
if you must compare, create another test site and look at the options a default page content type provides you and mimic on the site you are working on. It may also help to spend some time reading about input formats and how they work and what filters are in the documentation area. I don't have the time to regugitate the information that has already been documentented
While I've never tested doing this, you may or may not have other issues. I've seen other threads in the past created by users who've deleted the page content type only to want it back. A search on drupal.org or on google should uncover those threads.
good tip on redoing by only
good tip on redoing by only deleting the DB and settings file.
my ftp server is trash, it takes hours sometimes to upload, edit or delete files/permissions, so i was really not wanting to have to do it all again.
thanks for the tips. very appreciated. is it not amazing what coffee can do for mental focus?
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your tip about content types - adding new worked out.
hmm, whats the real point of having story and page? theyre the same thing. i suppose i couldve just added the content as a story and it woulda been the same, right?
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there are not quite the same thing. Please see the link I've given you earlier, in http://drupal.org/node/601018#comment-2135690 describing the differences.
Hi Osmorphyus -- I'm writing
Hi Osmorphyus -- I'm writing to actually express how lucky you are to have found free support here that is very patient with you. You'll need to learn that you won't get far here if you start banging Drupal, shouting at people (with caps), or, most important, not learning on your own before you ask for support from other folks who are just like you but further down the road. Drupal is a CMS that can do just about anything you want it to do. But that ability comes at a price. That price is time. Your time. I can assure you one thing: you'll probably become more frustrated. So, grab that coffee, know what's coming, accept it -- if you want to stay with Drupal, and get on with learning. Given your questions, my suspicion is that you walked into this thinking you can learn Drupal intuitively. Probably won't be the case. There are good ebooks available for new folks and good podcasts, too. You can pay a nominal fee at lynda.com and for a month watch step-by-step Drupal tutorial. I'm nudging you to do that study. It will pay off tremendously. I'm about a year ahead of you and still need the help of folks on the forum who've been at it longer than I. The most help will come to you when you tell forum volunteers that you've read x and x, watched x and x, and still have an unanswered question.
If you stick with it, though, hopefully you'll find yourself waking up one day, as I did, and thinking "Wow..this is so much better than Dreamweaver or hand-coding or another CMS."
As Benjamin Franklin said, "Those things that hurt, instruct."
And, finally, as for content-types and the ability to create new ones, you'll eventually find that they are your best friend. If you haven't downloaded Views and CCK, you might want to. The three modules work wonders together. Views gives you greater control over presentation and CCK -- and its add-on's -- give you the ability to add new fields to content-types. Each content-type that you create results in a form that is pre-configured, much like a template, for a specific task. So, I have a profile content-type that includes fields for real name, phone, title, brief bio, long bio, email address and more. I used CCK to add the additional fields. Views helps me create a display showing the profile nodes and whichever fields I want. I can create different views using the same content-type -- or, in other words, different presentations of the same content-type depending on my needs.
hi woman,im writing to
hi woman,
im writing to actually express how pompous you just came off with your taking the time to express your concerns, especially in public on an essentially closed thread. you may not know this, but i wasnt born yesterday, and i know how to understand when i am being talked down to. nobody likes it, and frequently, in the world of opensource, people come off as snobs to people who are just cutting their teeth in whatever the opensource may be, be it linux, php, etc. there is always someone who will say, "google is your friend", or "you should feel lucky to even have the help".
i dont ever use dreamweaver or any WYSIWYG editor. i have been a notepad coder since day one, i broke myself into html by reading an html dictionary, drawing my first website on paper, and making it happen.
i am doing the same thing with drupal, too. i am creating my own theme for it using the tips on manipulating the bluemarine theme which can be found via the wonderful magic of google and its wonderful algorithm. i setup xampp on my windows system, and have a test site right on the computer, but i think i have talked about that before in other threads, so i don feel i need to break into that whole song and dance everytime i need to ask a question.
as well, i usually select the 6.x when posting in forums, but after a while, it seems a little redundant, only because thats how i am.
i am not a newb to programming, but i am a newb to drupal. its by far the easiet system to learn in the world of php cms systems i have tried, including joomla which to me, was just terrible. it does what i need it to do. i started off before with a lousy phpbb and a portal extension for it, and man, was that just terrible. i found out quickly that people over at phpbb land treat newbs like crap, and developed a keen attitude about php and its "community" that way. when people talk about "community", you usally think of support, understanding, friendliness. quite frequently however, newbs are treated as if they should know it all right off the bat, and that they have never heard of google in their lives.
i have not been treated that way here at drup yet, for the most part. i dont like snide, pompous attitudes, nobody does. experienced users had better figure out that if they dont want to help people, they should go back to irc chat rooms and wait around to kick and ban people for double posting, or go talk in newsgroups, because people will always need help, and sometimes, just sometimes, they have read, and read, and read and it asnt been enough.
i am experienced enough to know how to handle many programming errors, but when i cant figure it out, thats when i start asking questions. in this case, i do believe that CREATE CONTENT should be in the administration pages under content, as well as a few other things that seem kind of scattered around in terms of 'where things should be', but thats not what i came here to talk about.
if you notice as well, i was not shouting at anybody. if i was shouting at a person, it would be IN A CONVESATION LIKE THIS, but i simply started the conversation off with caps, which would indicate stress, frustration or confusion. all of which are very common emotions in programming.
have i banged on drupal or drupal users yet? you can use the drupal search engine to search for osmorphyus and see if i ever have. i could tell you i havent, but then you wouldnt learn anything, and as a part of the community, i want to see you learn.
this reply isnt with any hostility or animosity, either, its just a formal reply to what you addressed. for the record as well: i love drupal. the fact that i really dont *ever* have to look at code is amazing.
-cheers and regards.
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I disagree as will many. create content is a user facing menu item. That said, if it's placed in the administration area authenticated users won't be able to get to it and permissions would have to be elevated for users in a situation where the content is user generated.
you can move the create content menu item in administer -> menus if you want, to to administration area. This will only suffice in use cases previously explained.
I strongly disagree with the above assertion. New users should come to the table with enough of an understanding to afford them the ability to ask a question or at the very least show in their question that they have taken the time to search both drupal.org and/or google. New users who expect, more mature users to regurgitate information or have their hands held by a volunteer support staff have their expectations set a bit to high. Time is the most valuable commodity we have. The 20 mins anyone spends with any user is 20 mins a forum support person never gets back. Thus new users should always take the time to link to docs that they are reading, help flesh out docs that are confusing and the like. Just because someone is new, doesn't at all give them a different set of standards or rights.
As someone who has helped support drupal via the forums and IRC, I can tell you that there is nothing worse then taking 20 - 30 minutes to research and type out something for someone only to have the OP tell me it won't work because they've this nuance to their site, yet the nuance wasn't mentioned previously. Providing support for newcomers or old hacks, should not require extracting information a single sentence at a time by those doing the support and hand holding should never be expected. If hand holding is necessary, these users should consider paid tutoring or joining local groups in their areas where they can learn from those who've gain more knowledge. This is applicable to anything anyone is learning. As a musician, I surround myself with better musicians so that I can learn from them. If I surround myself with mediocre musicians, I run a greater risk rising to their skill level and never growing.
but "create content" - what
but "create content" - what does that even mean?
contribute to the forums? i guess im old school if its that case, i and many users look for things like forums - post new topic
that is, if thats what create content is all about.
i do come to the table with enough understanding to afford me the ability to ask a question when i need to. in fact, all users regardless should be able to ask without being treated like a dolt. as well, i understand where youre coming from, yes, it gets old sometimes helping with the same old, same old, if you will, but i am not bringing the metaphorical same old, same old. i am not asking for "how do i make a theme" or something that would require a high level of in depth communication. in fact, you helped me resolve my issue, and i felt then, case closed.
i dont know the entire system of operations for drup yet, and i do think some of it is a bit mixed up, but i think its trying to push a new level of functionality to websites that use it. im just saying, im not a dummy here. i know this much, and that much. i am an experienced asp programmer, and a devotee of windows because i love native driver support for my video and audio chipsets, still, i work with debian linux and read and learn as i go along. im starting up in php because im not going to fork out lots of money for asp support anymore. php hosting is just soo much cheaper.
drup is easy, super easy for the most part. if those who help out around here in the forums dont want to help, they dont need to help. like people say, "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything" someone will eventually chime in with help for people who need it. basically, if you know how to do it, dont assume that everybody should know how to do it. if my car breaks down, i dont immidiately take it to the shop, i work the problem out, save the money, and learn as i go along. how do i fix it? read books, ask questions from other people, grab my tools and get to work, which is exactly what im doing with my drup.
i have the tools, i have the place to ask questions if my reading isnt enough, and i use the awesome power of my fully functioning cerebral cortex to make it happen.
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as previously explained: create content is simply a menu item that lists all the content types that are available to be created by any one user depending on their permissions.
Have you taken the time to click on create content here on drupal.org, or any other drupal sites in the wild?
It seems important to note agian, that the create content menu item doesn't have to be used (it can be disabled in administer -> menus), nor does it have to remain named create content (it can be renamed) or an entirely new menu set up and created. Matter of fact D7, introduces "Add content" ..... rather than create content if i remember correctly.
food for thought.
maybe I, as a user, don't want to visit your forum and want to jump right to the ability to create a forum topic, or create a story, or whatever content types you've got there all without visiting the area to locate a link to be able to do these things.
create content is highly
create content is highly superfluous.
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What may I ask would you want it changed to that it wouldn't fall into the same category you seem to be ranting against? Or are you proposing that it is completely unneeded?
If the latter, I again, disagree as new users who install drupal, should have a menu item to begin creating content directly in their view rather than having to dig for it, which seems to make new comers rant when they have to dig. Thus a create content menu item is in play, providing more mature users with the ability to disable it.
Pointing out a problem is good, proposing a solution is far better.
remove it. if its not broke,
remove it. if its not broke, dont fix it. traditional site navigation is comprised of links to where your user wants to go, i.e. forums, faq, etc.
if a user wants to post in the forums, he then browses to said forums and presses said add content button, then enters said content.
in this case, said is superfluous.
with the method of 'create content', it leads me to think that users will become confused. "what am i going to create here?" most people dont think of their forum posts as "creations", just Q & A in forums.
if a user wants to add an article to the site, browse to articles, select add new article, continue BAU.
in the case of 'create content' i can see that for advanced users, or users already familiar with drupal themselves will understand that clicking that link will take you to a submenu which offers you more options to post to the site, but again, and i am sure you will strongly disagree, most users do not think of their posts to articles, forums, picture posts, whateveras creations.
i am sure with drupal it can simply be removed, because this system is incredibly complex and offers a lot of options to the admin behind the scenes, it just puzzles me that it is setup primarliy as it is. as well, leaving the option to delete 'content' templates like story/page doesnt make any sense. look what confusion it put me into, after all. if it happens to me, you know its going to happen elsewhere, if it hasnt already. in that case, be prepared for the same old, same old.
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as well, before i forget, why do we have access to blockquote and strong, but no method for italic text? the codes allowed to users is bizzarre. we offer html in a stripped fashion, but have no support for traditional 'forum codes' that many users are used to. i know, its trying to add something new to the internet, but i dont think its catching on yet.
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You are I won't see eye to eye on this create content menu item.
Fact is, you can't make everyone happy all of the time. Only some happy some of the time. Seems like a large amount of energy has been wasted here over a simple link that was designed to make drupal more intuitive to new users when they first install drupal.
The drupal community is a do-ocracy. If you want to see something changed, change it. Create a patch and discuss with others who work on pushing the envelope with core. Drupal isn't just built for those who know how to work with a CMS but also for those installing a CMS for the first time. There is a lot of work going into the User Experience (UX). There are users at both ends of the extreme and then users like yourself who seem to fall in the middle.
<i>tag can be used as well as the<em>tag. As an user, in the authenticated user role on drupal.org you've access to the FILTERED HTML input format. This format affords you the ability to useFiltered HTML
* Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
* Allowed HTML tags: <h1> <h2> <h3> <h4> <h5> <h6> <em> <strong> <code> <del> <blockquote> <q> <sub> <p> <br> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <a> <b> <u> <i> <sup>
thats how opensource goes,
thats how opensource goes, guy. you proved me right. but for you and those like you, continue to expect questions from people who "dont get it", and if you "dont like it", stick to the development forums, where you can discuss with people who know it all by default.
sparring with newbs only makes you look mediocre. and im not even saying we were sparring or you looked mediocre, we just have 2 different ideas on how a websites navigational system should act and be configured. like i said, the initial issue was resolved and thanks for the help. the text formatting is puzzling tho, but i know about the extensions for wysiwyg text editors, and ill be plugging in tinymce when the time comes.
good lookin out on the em tip. i must be old school, i always looked for the i tag.
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passive aggressive statements in an attempt to offend are unnecessary and might I suggest that you discontinue trying to tell me where I should spend my time. I've no problem answering your questions as I've done for well over an hour now. Even though the questions required me to see through your rant and pull out what was actually important.
We're allowed to have different opinions about how navigation should work. Many are also allowed to keep old, tired ideas and not try to push the envelope or innovate.
Lastly, newcomers might want to take a ,moment to realize that the questions themselves aren't what creates the abrasiveness from volunteer support people. Most often it's the built in abrasive in their questions or rants that get back what's been given.
note: on the em and i tag. The available tags are shown under the available input format in use here on d.o
quote: We're also allowed to
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We're also allowed to keep old, tired ideas and not try to innovate or learn.
so stupid is, as stupid does?
i didnt try to offend you with anything. i did say that if you wish to spar with newbs tho, you will look mediocre. i didnt say you are in this conversation, tho. snip, snip, puppy.
there has been entirely too much time wasted here, tho, in all seriousness. cafeine calls me, and i answer said call.
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Depends on what party and how you are trying to apply my statement. Users like yourself who want to rant or the software used. ; )
you edit your posts alot.
you edit your posts alot.
on the tags, im used to original and logical html tags like i, b, etc. as well, again, many sites offer a forum code. why the administration feels that more users online today will have knowledge of html codes as opposed to forum codes is beyond my reasoning.
i was just applying my statement to your original post about passive aggression. your response to your imaginary sense of passive aggression on my behalf with your own passive aggression.
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right, which is why you've told me where to spend my time. ;)
It's ok though, no harm no foul. It will certainly help me to remember your screenname which will help me remember that my time may be better spent elsewhere or on other threads helping other users. :)
with reference to codes, I want the ability to remove any HTML from posting. I don't want decorative posts on most of the sites I build for many reasons I won't go into. Which is the main reason I don't include editors in most sites I build. Clients get what clients want but ideally, giving users too much power to alter stuff creates a bunch of garbage in the database that I prefer to avoid at all costs.
you want an editor. I want none.
You want many tags. I want fewer tags.
Drupal affords both types of users both worlds.
have to agree on removing
have to agree on removing html to users for the same reasons you have. forum code was developed for a reason, and id like to see that implemented.
as far as remembering my screenname, just remember im the most awesome poster you ever posted with. im not gonna keep thanking you for your help, if you cant read it, you cant read it.
drupal does kick a lot of ass. i reckon i wont be working with anything else, i found something i can learn easily enough, and with great minds like yours on hand, im sure i can be given limitless amounts of quip and links with links to more links in them.
and if all our conversations are this fun, im hooked.
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what you are calling forum code, is actually called bbcode and there is a module for that in the downloads area but bbcode is essentially html. it replaces one set of tags for another and the same issues can be caused.
Reading posts like yours makes me sad
Reading posts like yours makes me sad. No one should ever have to read a reply like that on a question they ask. Posts like yours also confirms the gut feeling I got when first reading in these forums almost a year ago.
You have to excuse me for feeling and saying this, but these forums are not very nice for new users. It really shouldn't be necessary to start off every post with a defence speach that "I read the forums and learned the documentation by heart and I googled", but as it now is, if you don't do that little speach, you have to be prepared to get a snobbish not very helpful reply in return. Newsflash... reason the question is asked is most likely because the documentation is hard to understand, and possibly especially hard to grasp for anyone taking the step from some other CMS to Drupal.
Now, there are many ppl here that are nice and you can tell they love to help. But there are also the snobs that frankly I never really understod why they reply in the first place since their replies almost never lead the topic forward.
Why not put on another pair of glasses before answering questions? Instead of assuming that the person in need of help is lazy and didn't bother trying to look for the answer before asking the question, try change focus and assume that he/she actually did make an effort to solve the problem but failed?
I feel very uneasy to post this. But if no one never posts about it, then nothing will ever change.
To Osmorphyus:
Ossy, where you and me come from is a very unique place. You know what happens to any snobbish replies there. Yupp that's right. Moderated and/or removed. Every single time. It's not a coincidence that those forums are a nice place to get help or just hang out. It's years and years of hard work behind the scenes that has created the warm and welcoming feeling. And to all of you now wondering "why didn't you stay there then, why come here to Drupal?", simple, other place is written in ASP, further explanation not necessary I think.
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Esential reading for all newcomers to avoid terse, short and impersonal answers on the forums: http://drupal.org/forum-posting
I am as my entitled to my opinions as you are yours. Even in the event that my opinion may make someone else sad. I respect your position, even though I believe its looking at the issue through rose colored glasses.
Regardless of whether you like my philosophy/ideology on this issue:
I help those who show they are trying help themselves. That is where I feel my time is worth investing and as a volunteer I get to choose to whom I give my free time.
If i take 3 seconds to cut and paste a question from the forums into google and can get the answer in the first page of results; a new user should be able to as well. How on earth could that be asking too much?
After all, drupal may be new to people but searching first shouldn't be new to anyone nor should RTFM. Then there are the questions that I know I've already answered at least a dozen times. Yes at that point a lmgtfy link or a drupal search link or a simple statement to search is most likely going to happen.
drupal support is not paid help. Therefore I am not paid help and I don't care if you approve of my attitude/sarcasm or beliefs when it comes to helping others on the forums or in IRC. New users are not the only people with a set of expectations nor should they be the only people helped. I believe new users have a duty to help support people help them. I am also not here to make friends. I am here to help where and when I can. I don't provide sugar coated help. I prefer, direct to the point help which can be construed as terse, impersonal, snobbish, or even elitist (lots of negative adjectives have been used over the years on the forums to describe those who actually lift fingers to help and not just talk about helping) even when it's not meant to be.
There are 1000's of questions a day and only a handful of support people. That said, if you want the environment to change, change it. Again it's a do-ocracy. The questions you answer feel free to sugar coat and handhold as much as you want.
reeer! mad kitty! like i said
reeer!
mad kitty!
like i said already guy, if you dont wanna help, dont help. look up my other posts here, youll see im pretty informative when it comes to me asking for help, as well, i have alreadyhelped other users here myself as well. im just sayin, opensource nazis need to loosen their snare-drums now and then. sure, my thread started off ninny-nosed, but look at my other threads, theyre just fine. i think you might have even helped before.
if you wanna get paid, get a job. noones talking about drupal being for free, thats what opensource is. its a do-ocracy, man!
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are you even aware you are commenting on a comment that wasn't made to you, and essentially had nothing to do with you or your question?
As a forum moderator on d.o, I find your use of the word nazi highly inflammatory and offending. Please refrain.
how is the word nazi
how is the word nazi offending? dont act like a fascist and the word wont be thrown your way. come on, youre a left wing, liberal, accept everything california kinda guy. just let it slide and go shake some people of various cultures hands.
its opensource, man. images of african tribal unity come to mind. lets all hold hands, and then knock someone down when they ask for help. its the opensoucre way!
please refrain from being so tight in the where-ever when it comes to support. as a boatsed admin on d.o, you should know better by now.
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your questions have been answered.
you've been warned, and this thread is now locked.
Sore toes I take it, funny
Sore toes I take it, funny part is that I didn't even aim my post at you but you swallowed it whole. As for really joining the crowd answering questions in here, I don't feel comfortable doing that in this forum.
Thousands of questions a day right? Well I don't know about you, but it sure tells me that something is missing in either documentation or tutorials or maybe both.
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The idea that you or anyone should have their hand held because they are new is silly to me.
uhh, okeedoke.
after 3 years of answering forum threads and working with drupal most of the questions are due to lack of reading by newcomers who don't take the time to help themselves. Documentation and tutorials are provided by the community at large and there is a plethora however if few take the time to look for them .... they won't find them.
Ah, yea un-comfort. So when it gets right down to it, you've chosen to be a bystander. : )
asks santa for thicker skin for those who are helped on drupal.org forums
yeah, like i said, you
yeah, like i said, you obviously know nothing about me, kid. i take it you havent asked the search engine about me. i dont help myself, right. you keep thinking that. you're arrogant, and that what people should not be whe they're trying to help other people.
you have a problem with newbies, obviously.
behold:
http://drupal.org/node/601046#comment-2136638
im sure you mean well tho, an you're just "very misunderstood". one question tho, why do you keep arguing the subject? if you're so much better than newbs who don't help themselves, why do you keep yammering on here? you're obviously going to change no minds.
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uh, again the responses you are referring to aren't directed at you. may help if you take a moment to understand there is another discussion here entirely that I was commenting on.
yea, the 10,000 + questions I've answered over my time definitely shows I dislike newcomers nor helping.
One thread is not the sum of an entire body of work.
so are you saying that maggie
so are you saying that maggie cannot inject commentary openly here on drupal? isnt that rather, restricting?
seriously, why are you an admin?
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If you are that interested in the answer to that question take the time to reread all my words in reference to maggies comment and you will find that I made no such assertion, matter of fact just the opposite WRT to her philosophy.