Is TableManager module abandoned?

Subscribing (sorry if this is a breach of protocol - first post to this area of drupal.org).

Sounds like you'll still need to follow the abandoned project process: http://drupal.org/node/251466. File a support issue in the module and then transfer that issue over to the drupal.org webmasters after two weeks with no maintainer reply or if he/she agrees it should be marked abandoned (and transferred).

I guess I'll leave this as active for now and let some other webmasters comment. We really don't want to forcefully take over modules unless it's a last-case unavoidable scenario. Forking is always an alternative before that point, and again only incase coordination and cooperation don't work.

What is wrong with you? Why are you being such a child? You (or rather Andrew) booked me for coding, which I completed satisfactorily, I tell you the branch 2.x module is not available in CVS because I'm fed up with people posting issues for code which isn't even finished - you can't stop people using dev code on live sites, therefore with drastically changing code I've made the decision to keep it off CVS completely. See you say disrepair, yet it's just unfinished - the entire community has had ample chance to finish this module, yet they don't. Open Source is great when it works but just because you need this module, it doesn't mean that anybody else is interested if they were they're quite welcome to post patches and they'll get committed.

You know very well my 'future plans' for this module, in fact this is from an email thread;

All donations are gladly received but I'd really recommend keeping your money to yourself at the moment at least [referring to previous statement regarding release schedule]

What you're doing is tantamount to cyber bullying and I will not tolerate it. At this precise moment I feel like I would rather delete this module with 9 months of work entirely than have you use any of my code at all. This statement is just excellent;

In first few days of doing the work, [another hired] developer stated that module would need significant remodeling to get all the .dev features working.

So the fact that I'd given you a quote and timescale for completing that very same work means nothing to you? I was prepared to implement your requests yet because it was my birthday and I wasn't prepared to work on it or around it you hired someone else who was incapable of completing that SAME work and it's MY fault?? Again, what is wrong with you??? I'm starting to have had enough of this open source crap, it's more trouble than it's worth. I get two hours maximum on weekdays in the evenings to myself after working, travelling 100 mile roundtrip to work and back, eating dinner and walking the dog - that's why I don't reply all the time, you didn't pay for this software - I don't owe you any immediate responses ever.

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Only just noticed this, "'advertised' features to actually work"... That's classic - has someone charged you for this module? Is that why you're bitter?

Pobster

As per previous comment made from Dave, and for the fact the maintainer of the module replied, I am marking this report as won't fix.

@Pobster:

Don't let a couple of rotten apples spoil the bunch. This air of entitlement is not specific to open source-- unfortunately it seems to be a rather common disease in today's world. You do great work-- 99% of drupal users get it and appreciate it. Try to ignore the nonsense from those that don't-- who just seem to be more vocal than those that do. :-(

@Pobster:

This is not cyber bullying, so don't over-dramatize this. We can all be professionals here. He's not trying to rip the module from under you. He's following the set procedure we have here on drupal.org. IF you have a problem with that, let us know.

the entire community has had ample chance to finish this module, yet they don't

I get two hours maximum on weekdays in the evenings to myself after working, travelling 100 mile roundtrip to work and back, eating dinner and walking the dog - that's why I don't reply all the time, you didn't pay for this software - I don't owe you any immediate responses ever.

You're the only maintainer. How is everyone else supposed to 'finish' this module? From what you've said it sounds like you don't have the time to dedicate to this module to get a Drupal 6 finished. Why not add co-maintainers to help you out? And how can people help out if there is no code in CVS? There are obviously people that understand the code and want to help out without forking the module. We do expect some basic form of responsibility when you commit and maintain a module on drupal.org. A lot of us don't have enough time to maintain our modules, so we put them up for adoption or add co-maintainers. It happens all the time.

What is wrong with you??? I never said that I couldn't do the work - I said it was my birthday and that I had plans??? It was my birthday, what did you expect??? I was perfectly willing to do the coding the following weekend.

And just because I don't get much free time during the week doesn't mean that I have no time at all, I do all my coding at weekends. I've no idea why I have to justify myself at all but seeing as you all seem to have ganged up here I need to say something at least. I have roughly 20 projects on the go at the moment and Tablemanager is not top of the list, that's all... I haven't rebuffed anyone, you hired a guy to do some coding and I'll use what he wrote once I've fixed it, it breaks three things opposed to the one thing it's supposed to fix... But on the plus side, it has some good ideas with only one piece of oddness.

So... You think I should add co-maintainers? Like the Drupal project does? No... Wait it doesn't... And with damn good reason too, it's just as time consuming vetting other peoples code and when every Tom, Dick and Harry has direct access to CVS you get *really* shoddy code, just because you choose to do this doesn't mean it's the way it should be done. I've lost count of the amount of times I've completely reinstalled XML sitemap because the upgrade path didn't work (that's not a pop btw, it's just an example of a pet hate of mine - don't feel you have to defend it). Anyways, my point with this is that anyone can check a module out of CVS, work on it, post an issue and supply a patch. No co-maintainer necessary, no problem.

I'm not interested in this becoming a discussion so please don't bother replying, I likely won't bother reading any more of this thread.

Pobster

No need to change the status to closed (From http://drupal.org/node/156119: "This status is used exclusively by the Project Engine to close "fixed" automatically after two weeks of inactivity. You should not need to set this status yourself")

Ok, sounds like you are still wanting to maintain, and the best way for people to contribute is to submit patches. That's always a good start. So unless the module has been identified as abandoned by the set drupal.org process, we can't force you to do anything. So it's ultimately up to you and how you want to handle maintaining your module. We'll leave it at that.

Apologies I didn't even notice this thread isn't under Tablemanagers issue queue. No worries, this is just getting me down as there's so many lies floating around. If it's not bullying then it's certainly defamation...

It appears he may or may not choose to commit the patch that comes out of the effort and he continues to be vague about when/if there will be an official, stable D6 release based on our improvements.

That statement comes out of pure fantasy, I swear the guy has dreamt most of what's been said. Anyways, enough is enough - thanks for the audience.

Pobster

Well I apologise that does sound far worse than it is, I've already quantified that statement with you though in that I only need to ask out of professional courtesy and even then I could refactor the code anyway. It's a little out of context posted like that.

Pobster