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eranb22 - November 9, 2009 - 21:48
Hi
I was searching for a hosting company and saw them, what are the benefits with using a cloud server?
Do you recommend it over a vps ?
Thanks
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RAM
Cloud servers typically limit Drupal to 16M of RAM, which is quite limiting. I was on the MediaTemple grid and Drupal ran, but not well.
A $50 VPS package can get you nearly a G of RAM.
more: http://drupal.org/node/434860
Personally, I don't recommend
Personally, I don't recommend Cloud hosting for your critical business, but should be fine for some testing or development environment. Even the one like Amazon, its cloud computing environment (EC2) has been down for 2-3 times in last quarter.
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but they give 256 RAM
see their site
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The amount of RAM doesn't matter if the site uptime is low.
Spring Server VPS
You should also check out Spring Server VPS from Dyn Inc.
http://www.dyndns.com/services/springserver/
Using Rack Space Cloud
I have been using Rackspace Cloud for about a year. I tried Ipower, then Media Temple before that. Both of those were horrible! Very slow, no support. Rackspace is very fast, very flexible, with prompt support. I highly recommend it!
ALSO: Today I looked into Hot Drupal as well since they "specialize" in Drupal and are cheaper. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THEM! I know there will be those who disagree with me but here is why I feel that way: I literally had my credit card out ready to open an account with them, decided to call them first just to verify that they would allow multisite accounts. I simply asked whoever answered the phone (after about 15 rings) if it was possible, then asked him if it was just one settings file that needed edited to do it. He then launched into a long lecture how he is not going to go into long conversations with someone who may or may not open an account.
I stopped him and told him yes I am but just wanted to verify this first. He wouldn't stop - he went on then about how they aren't going to spend hours on the phone with someone who only pays them $10 a month for hosting. So I said "So you dont' have customer support?" He said yes, but then continued his lecture. I heard what I needed to hear and hung up. What a MORON! All over a simple "what file would I need to edit"? Sorry for rambling but it really made me mad.
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Based on your description of what happened it wasn't good customer service. However, the question you were asking could easily have been answered in documentation.
you don't manually edit settings.php or any file for that matter.
yesterday I asked them a
yesterday I asked them a simple question.
I got from them some rude answer.
no Hello ...
Just,
what do you mean by????
but day after they emailed me again and asked if all is ok.
so...
they are very fast.
they are very efficient as well.
no I'm trying linode.
a lot of learning...
Cloud is the way to go -- just which Cloud platform?
It seems there are some misconceptions of Cloud hosting here in this thread.
To answer the OP's question, a Cloud Server from the Rackspace Cloud would be a much more powerful and stable environment than any VPS platform and I'll tell you exactly why. A Cloud Server (from the Rackspace Cloud specifically) is a true virtual dedicated platform with truly protected and reserved resources controlled by the hypervisor. Your instance is provisioned on a host machine that is UNDERSOLD and is extremely robust with significant redundancy built in (and backed by industry leading SLAs): quad-core CPUs & local RAID10 persistent storage. So from a performance perspective, comparing an equal size Cloud Server to any traditional VPS you will get much better overall performance, especially due to the fact that we allow CPU to burst when additional CPU power is available, even if you are on the smallest Cloud Server with 1/64 guarantee CPU, you often get significantly more.
In addition to this, you have the other "Cloud" features such as the ability to resize a server instance on-the-fly in a matter of minutes to expand your CPU allocation, memory, disk i/o, storage and bandwidth all without losing your dedicated IP address(es) or having to migrate any data or reconfigure any system settings. You can also spin up multiple Cloud Servers at any time, and since we bill on a per hour basis, you can add and remove server instances on an "as needed" basis making resource usage and consequently cost much more granular. Scale up when needed and back down as needed with a few clicks. Add a server or remove a server, just a few clicks and only pay for the time you used it -- it simply doesn't get more simple than that.
Watch this video demonstration to see exactly what I mean: http://chadkeck.com/2009/11/introduction-to-cloud-servers/
Now, the other question you have to ask is whether or not you should use Cloud Sites which is a fully managed PaaS Cloud that offers inherent and automated scaling, very high levels of redundancy and an easy to manage control panel for taking care of your sites/databases/email/etc. Do you need to run in an environment like a Cloud Server with full root access? If there is no specific reason, Cloud Sites is a great platform for Drupal.
I hope this helps -- let me know if you have any other questions/concerns, thanks.
-Chad
There is a very big problem after all
They charge you by the usage.
Someone or somehow an attack or warm or whatever might consume many bandwidth from my site
And rackspace will charge me 5000 usd for one month.
This is not for me , sorry...
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Now, the other question you have to ask is whether or not you should use Cloud Sites which is a fully managed PaaS Cloud that offers inherent and automated scaling, very high levels of redundancy and an easy to manage control panel for taking care of your sites/databases/email/etc. Do you need to run in an environment like a Cloud Server with full root access? If there is no specific reason, Cloud Sites is a great platform for Drupal.
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managed PaaS Cloud
What is it?
Do you mean the 100 usd package for one month that Rackspace offers?
https://www.rackspacecloud.com/signup
Cloud Sites (Starts $100 per month / 30 Days Risk Free)
A platform for hosting unlimited Linux and Windows websites and email. Includes 500 GB of bandwidth, 50 GB of premium storage, and access to Cloud Files.
Thanks
yes, I think that's what he
yes, I think that's what he means. It should be repeated that there's no root access ... and no SSH available with the Cloud Sites:
http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/sites/isitafit
then i don't get it. How do i
then i don't get it.
How do i use it?
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likely through a hosting panel
and FTP
and FTP
Correct
This is correct, there is no root or SSH (command line) access to the systems on Cloud Sites, but this is rarely necessary and allows you to actually focus on building your sites or other parts of your business outside of system administration.
Watch this demonstration for installing Drupal on Cloud Sites: http://chadkeck.com/2009/11/video-installing-drupal-6-on-cloud-sites/
Being a fully managed platform we take care of the entire back-end for you, no need to worry yourself. You still have a lot of control through our control panel, plus the ability to override most Apache/PHP settings on a per domain basis through .htaccess if necessary. You also have full access to your file-system via FTP/SFTP.
And as another member here just mentioned, we also offer our Cloud Servers platform which is also highly scalable and delivers truly dedicated and protected resources just like having a dedicated server, but for a fraction of the cost. You have FULL control over the machine (full SSH and root access) and can do anything you so choose. You can also scale your server up and down within minutes go expand resources such as CPU allocation, memory, local RAID10 persistent storage, disk i/o and network throughput...all without having to reconfigure a thing or migrate any data.
Setting up a Cloud Server: http://chadkeck.com/2009/11/video-setting-up-your-cloud-server/
I hope this helps!
-Chad
I think "Cloud Server" is
I think "Cloud Server" is also an option, which is much lower than $100. I have some experience with Amazon EC2, this should give you full access.
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Utility is the way to go
eranb22,
Utility "pay-as-you-go" billing is actually a better overall method for the vast majority of users because actual usage is typically so low. You should be very concerned with providers who advertise "unlimited" anything like bandwidth, storage, etc because they are simply overselling. Or even if they do put a number on it, like 3TB of bandwidth per month, they bank on the fact that you will never use this, and if you do you typically end up getting your service cut real quick. There is also a cost involved having large amounts of resources "bundled" in which is where utility really comes in nice.
In your example above, the Rackspace Cloud has never held a customer fully responsible for things like a DDoS attack, even when its obvious it was directed at them. These situations are extremely rare, but when they do happen we always work with our customers not only to solve the core problem but ensure they aren't billed to oblivion.
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And yes, I was referring to the Cloud Sites platform when I mentioned a fully managed PaaS cloud above. This is the $100/month offer which includes all back-end management of the systems, OS, hardware, app stack, etc and includes automated load balancing, SAN storage, SQL clustering, etc. All you need to do it worry about your application code & content, or as I like to say, "NODE IT, LOAD IT AND WATCH IT SCALE!" :)
-Chad
The only thing that scares me
The only thing that scares me is the fact that they CAN charge me what they want.
I will never allow such a deal.
also, 100 dollars is money.
with Linode for 100 you get alot....
Sorry
I'm not sure I follow...
Any hosting provider can charge you for any resources you use beyond your plan as well which is no different. The only difference here is that you start out paying less because there is no bandwidth lumped in.
If utility pricing is not your model and you wish to have more of the classic monthly cost with some bandwidth included take a look at Slicehost (www.slicehost.com) which is part of Rackspace. They offer a more robust platform than Linode with a more streamlined user interface and everything is run on the Rackspace network, which is the most reliable hosting network in the world.
One of the biggest issues with Linode is their servers are hosted at low-tier hosting providers such as The Planet or random colocation facilities.
-Chad
Please take a
Please take a look:
http://journal.dedasys.com/2008/11/24/slicehost-vs-linode
Linode and rackspace are the same with charges
They just show it difference
look at this:
http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#what-if-i-go-over-my-monthly-network-data-...
What if I go over my monthly network data transfer?
Transfer quotas are soft caps. If you go over by a few GB we usually won't invoice. We also send an e-mail when you reach 80% of your monthly quota. If you believe you will have overages consistently, you can purchase additional transfer or upgrade to the next plan level. Additional transfer is currently $0.10/GB.
so, it is the same.
they will charge if you go above your limit.
All providers will either
All providers will either charge you for additional bandwidth or cut off your service. I guess it really depends on what you are hosting to determine which is the better fit for you.
-Chad