I propose that an optional "About me" or "Biography" textarea be added to the Personal Information section of drupal.org user profiles, similar to what is already done on sites like groups.drupal.org and sf2010.drupal.org.
The reason for this proposed change is that the drupal.org profile pages currently ask for a couple random bits of personal data (gender and country, mostly). However, there are other categories of personal information (race/religion/sexual orientation/what you were doing five years ago before you discovered Drupal/etc) that people might consider important and that would be interesting to share. We clearly do not want to add separate fields for each of these things, so a textarea is the best way to allow people to say whatever they want about themselves. I think that allowing people to do this would improve interactions within the community and showcase the interesting backgrounds that people involved with the Drupal project actually have.
In addition, if we add this textarea, we can potentially remove the Gender field from profile pages. A possible reason for doing this is that in #752452: Expand options in the "Gender" profile field, there is an attempt to construct this field in a way that is more friendly to people who do not consider themselves to be either strictly "male" or "female"; however, the linked resources in that issue (see http://www.sarahdopp.com/blog/2010/designing-a-better-drop-down-menu-for... and especially http://www.opendoors.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/creating-inclusiv...) generally suggest that one of the best (if not the best) ways to deal with this issue is not to have the field at all.
Some of the reasons for having the Gender field in the first place that were discussed in the previous issue include:
- Making it easy for drupal.org users to identify their gender, e.g. so that people know what pronoun to use to refer to each other, or as a badge of pride for women in open source.
- Allowing statistics on the gender of drupal.org users to be collected.
- Not actually mentioned on the other issue (I think), but having a separate gender field allows use of the Profile module feature where you can click on the gender on someone's profile and see a list of other people with the same gender, e.g. http://drupal.org/profile/gender/female.
However, in response to each of these:
- A textarea (perhaps with a description field that explicitly mentions gender as something you might want to share) would accomplish the same thing.
- First, I'd question whether "people who filled out the gender field on their drupal.org profiles" is a good statistical representation of the actual Drupal community at all. Second, it is still possible to get statistical information if the data is contained in a textarea - you can choose a statistically significant sample at random (e.g. a few hundred user profiles) and actually look at what those people wrote in the textarea. This would be a bit harder than a simple database query, but would have the benefit that it could provide statistics on other things besides gender as well.
- I'm not sure that in the case of gender this particular profile module feature is really important enough to keep.
Comments
Comment #1
Garrett Albright commented+1. Besides ditching the gender field and associated drama, I think it can help improve the "community" aspect D.o has always been about. I think we should consider having a character limit on it, though, to encourage people not to get too tl;dr with it (and also not label it "Biography").
Comment #2
killes@www.drop.org commented", I think it can help improve the "community" aspect D.o has always been about."
I really have to wonder where this silly idea comes from. Drupal.org was always (and still is) about improving the Drupal software. Nothing else.
Anyway, I am fine with a textfield.
Comment #3
arianek commentedsubscribe
Comment #4
hefox commentedSubscribe.
I think this is a good idea in general, but not necessarily a replacement to Gender field; I believe that just having a textfield for gender was not considered much due to "People are lazy."
Comment #5
Anonymous (not verified) commentedI'm in favor of a bio field, but right now I'm not in favor of dropping the gender field in exchange for a bio field.
I don't think it provides any basis for accurately measuring anything about the Drupal community, but it does respect the individuality of anyone who answers it. It can contribute to a qualitative understanding of the Drupal community — it contains professionals, hobbyists, youth, knitters, physicists, mothers, fathers, etc. It does not constrain them into a narrow set of options or tell them which bits of themselves are worth knowing and which bits are not.
Thanks to David_Rothstein for this good faith proposal.
Comment #6
arianek commentedI also disagree with removing the gender field - mainly based on the issue of demographic info, which I do value. Though I do support the idea of providing an option to hide the field from public if one wants to only provide demographic info but not publicly state their gender.
Comment #7
Crell commentedDemographic data collected through an opt-in form that's 2 links away from your user page, which it's been shown the majority of d.o users don't fill in, is of little if any statistical value.
I'm +1 on dropping "gender" and adding a bio field.
Comment #8
jackalope commentedsubscribe
Comment #9
David_Rothstein commentedOK, so regarding #1, I agree we don't want people to write a magnum opus here, but given that the profile module doesn't support character limits for textareas out of the box, I'm not sure it's worth going through the trouble to impose a limit unless and until it becomes a problem. We should definitely try to word it in a way that encourages people to keep it short though.
So for now, here's my official proposal for the field. A bit long, perhaps, and subject to wordsmithing, but it's a start:
So it seems like there's a real split here in terms of whether to get rid of the gender field as part of adding this. I don't have an overwhelming opinion (I think this new field will be useful either way), but as stated above, you can still get statistics with this, and the overall statistics of the gender field now are highly suspect anyway. One could certainly argue that relying on people to put something in a textarea could skew the results even more, but it could potentially also make the results more accurate - in the sense that people who take the time to write something in a textarea are probably more likely to be actual active members of the Drupal community (rather than just random users who signed up for an account and never used it much), and therefore a better sampling of the people that we are presumably actually interested in collecting statistics about...
Comment #10
David_Rothstein commentedLet's kill the "what you did before discovering Drupal" part actually. I forget that not all Drupal.org users actually do Drupal as a full-time and/or more-than-full-time occupation :)
By the way, the groups.drupal.org description for this field is short and sweet. It just says:
Comment #11
gdemet+1 for just "Tell us about yourself", and letting people decide for themselves what they want to share.
Comment #12
Anonymous (not verified) commentedDitto "+1 for just "Tell us about yourself", and letting people decide for themselves what they want to share."
Comment #13
geerlingguy commented+1 for just "Tell us about yourself" as well.
Comment #14
avpadernoUnder Personal information, the user profile contains the Bio textarea. I would think this feature has been implemented.
Feel free to re-open it if you feel it should be implemented differently.