Please add Kurdish (Unified) language to localize.drupal.org (I did check at http://bit.ly/9xdtL that there is no existing issue for this language)

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gábor hojtsy’s picture

Status: Active » Postponed (maintainer needs more info)

What's your relation to http://drupal.org/project/ku, http://drupal.org/project/ku_ckb, https://launchpad.net/kurdish et. al.? Looks like Kurdish efforts are quite scattered already, so it would be vital to try and not open yet another avenue without attempting to unify efforts.

droshani’s picture

Non of them tackle the issue as a Unified Translation for Kurdish. We advocate for Kurdish unified Alphabet as www.kurdishacademy.org

gábor hojtsy’s picture

Sent both existing drupal.org project maintainers a note so they can have their say as well.

safeen’s picture

Thank you Gabor for your message.

The request is to: "Kurdish (Unified) language to localize.drupal.org".

What is Kurdish Unified language? There is no such a thing.

And what is The Kurdish Unified Alphabet suggested by the so called kurdishacademy.org? This is not a task for some tea-drinking theoreticians.

Unifying the alphabet is a governmental task and with the lack of such a thing we should use the currently accepted forms on the ground.

Kurdish language has 2 mainly flavours: Sorani and Kurmanji. Both of them use different alphabet. and that is all, try not make it complicated with CKB and CENTRAL KURDISH and SOUTHERN HAWRAMI, this will really help nobody.

My suggestion:
KU - Sor
KU - Kur

Simple and understandable.

Albert Einstein Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.

avpaderno’s picture

As reported by Wikipedia:

There is also a proposal for a unified international recognized Kurdish alphabet based on ISO-8859-1 called Yekgirtú.

The proposal (which is yet a proposal) is about the alphabet, not the language; the purpose of the proposal (as reported on http://yekgirtu.com/) is not the standardization of Kurdish as one language, but rather the unification of the standardization of one writing system as proposed by Dilan Roshani at Kurdish Academy of Language (KAL).

safeen’s picture

Thank God, it is just a proposal.
He chooses many double letters to express sounds while uses (ú) for (oo).

And this sounds so medieval :
"We are in firm belief of "purifying" the Kurdish language as the different dialects are infested with foreign, Semitic (Arabic), Turkic and Persian words and expressions."

Anyhow:
Many other languages has the same issue, take Chinese as an example:
Chinese, Simplified (zh-hans)
Chinese, Traditional (zh-hant)

I would suggest the same for Kurdish:

Kurdish, Sorani (ku-sor)
Kurdish, Kurmanji (ku-kur)

Drupal community should not be responsible for solving a geo-political issue but to adopt the de-facto.

turkogluturk’s picture

Is there a kurdish language? Is there a country for kurdish?
dont laugh me... It is not important at the world. Kurdish is empty and foolish language.

gábor hojtsy’s picture

@turkogluturk: Uhm, there is no Pirate country either :) Also, we are about to just add Inuktitut, which is a small language spoken in Canada.

@turkogluturk, @safeen: Our job is not to judge whether a language is worthy or not, that is not a question at all. We are trying not to delve into geo-political issues. Our job is to try *not* to support fragmentation of efforts and instead pre-screen the groups for awareness of existing efforts and attempts to join forces. This usually ends up in a more informed process where existing maintainers may jump on or may even pass maintainership to new active members.

All we try to do is to attempt joining existing efforts where possible.

gerhard killesreiter’s picture

I've blocked the account turkogluturk for spamming.

droshani’s picture

@Gábor Hojtsy Thank you, I am sorry that this topic has become a political issue in such a small proportion as well. No language and no people need a geographical boundaries to speak their language.

It is always wise to keep the limit and not make statement which is beyond one's expertise area. The process of Kurdish orthography has always been decided under political pressures rather linguistic and academic research right from the beginning in 1920s. The proposal for a unified representation has been always on the agenda and many attempts has been made before. KurdishAcademy.org stands for feasibility, workability and cross dialect interaction as well as International representation.

Mr Safeen may study my latest article at (http://kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/728) and join the group and choose the right platform for his discussion. Kurdish is a mulidialectal language in nature and therefore it needs a platform for sharing, a common tool for practising, and nevertheless inter-dialectal interaction. Kurdish is not Chines but can be compared with German, English and Spanish, languages with many dialects but written with one single alphabet. Today wring in Kurdish has become a practice for computer engineer rather than children in primary schools. Generations are put on hold since there is no easy way to enable their system for writing in any Kurdish dialect. Using back-door of Arabic, Persian and Turkish standards has become a habit of creating jungles of second hand e-tools to enable a simple user to write couple words in Kurdish.

Please note that Kurdish has five major dialects and they all have the right to be represented namely

North Kurdish NKU (Wrongly presented as Kurmanji KU-KUR)
Mid Kurdish MKU (Wrongly under represented as Sorani KU-SOR)
South Kurdish SKU
Hawrami Kurdish HKU
Dimilí Kurdish DKU

But all can have one common Drupal interface if they use unified wring system for wring in Kurdish.

Please processed as Drupal main guideline policy allow you.

Thank you

safeen’s picture

May be I am thinking too practical.
I rest my case.

Best regards

gábor hojtsy’s picture

Ok, does Kurdish (Unified) have a registered language code (that Drupal could tell browsers distinguishing it from other Kurdish dialects)? Also, do you have a team of contributors to help or you plan to go this alone?

gábor hojtsy’s picture

Status: Postponed (maintainer needs more info) » Postponed

Looks like requesters lost interest. Let me repeat that localize.drupal.org would welcome an active team to take this on.

droshani’s picture

Sorry, I did not check my account for awhile but for your info please look at this section

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/753

and, NO, there is no team as the Unified Kurdish is about writing Kurdish in an standard way and make information available by any subdialect in one simple common script.

gábor hojtsy’s picture

Status: Postponed » Closed (duplicate)

A Kurdish language is available and worked on pretty well at http://localize.drupal.org/translate/languages/ku. I would consider this closed unless there is a solid argument for having another variant and for them to work independently like it is currently possible (until #608488: Translation inheritance is resolved, which does not seem to be on the plate soon).

JanBrusk’s picture

%80 of kurds are speaking kurmancî dialect and using latin alphabet. Just 10% of kurds can read & write using arabic alphabet. Therefore common alphabet should be latin and common dialect should be kurmancî. Optional it should be possible to create language files for kurdish-soranî and kurdish-zazakî(kirmanckî).

gábor hojtsy’s picture

Yes, Kurdish was added without any qualitication as to whether it is Kurmanci or Arabic. The team seems to be picking up good progress. You can contact the team lead and members on localize.drupal.org via their contact forms to talk about this with them.