By sonyacrew on
can any developers tell me whether in their expereinces drupal or joomla is the better with regard to options, functionality. I am having difficulty with joomla in terms of their support in answering question and placement of ads on my site. I find myself very limited. DO you have any suggestions
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This is a Drupal forum so most people here are going to say Drupal. :) That said, this is open source. The free support you get is provided by volunteers, not paid employees of the company making the software, so it's always going to be hit or miss.
Michelle
I've used both Joomla and Drupal
I'm 99% drupal exclusive now, using this and ubercart over any other combination out there.
Let me explain why.
The forums here at drupal.org are very useful, and full of helpfull information. I also find it a little less condescending that other systems I've used. The people are very knowledgable and genuinely want to help. I also find it a much friendlier framework in which to develop. There is "no legacy" to deal with. Many other OS projects out there have a legacy to maintain compatibility with.
You may also notice that many of the Joomla users are design centric, rather than developer centric. If you run into a problem that is beyond the technical scope of many designers they will not be able to help you. The people here are much more of a mix, and you will 99% of the time find a developer who can answer your question.
I guess it all depends on what you are looking for, but as a developer I prefer Drupal over everything else right now.
Joomla over Drupal
I disagree with you about this point: "You may also notice that many of the Joomla users are design centric, rather than developer centric. If you run into a problem that is beyond the technical scope of many designers they will not be able to help you. The people here are much more of a mix, and you will 99% of the time find a developer who can answer your question.?
Why would an exponentially larger number of developers support Joomla over Drupal? (there's over 5464 extensions!) ?
Tell you why joomla have more than extensions than drupal
Hi joomlavision,
Joomla using MVC model so it is easy to code, other way, joomla is easy to use but drupal is more powerful!
MVC
Have you ever written a Joomla component using their MVC?
Huh?
Considering Drupal has over 6 thousand modules, I'm really not seeing how you get an "exponentially larger number of developers" on the Joomla side based on Joomla having less modules.
Michelle
difference between designers, developers and users...
If you look out there, and this is only my opininon, there are hundreds and thosands (i know it's more) of joomla sites. Most of these are set up by non-designers and non-developers who use third party modules and skins to build their sites quickly. It is easier to get a site up and running this way and these people are the users. They are also the people with limited technical and design experience and thus unable to support outside of the realms they work with.
I would even hazzard to say there are more designers in the joomla community, it certainly seems to be better supported and there are more available 3rd party designs for users to obtain and designers to adapt.
This is not to say there isn't a vibrant developer community - just that in terms of overall users and designers it is smaller percentage wise (again from my observations) that you may find with the drupal community. Don't forget, just supposing there are more extensions available than modules - how functional are these, what do they do to extend the base install? From what I recall (and it has been a while) most of the extensions I looked at were poorly coded and didn't do much Certainly not to the extend that many of the drupal modules do. There are always exceptions on both sides so please don't flame.
The Joomla platform *may* be an excellent platform to develop for, and there are some very talented developers there. But I guess my point is, how easy is to reach these people when you have a problem. If there are lots of designers and users then you questions will inevitably get lost in the mire. The other thing I'll raise is quality over quantity - just becasue there is more doesn't mean that it is better. I've noticed many extensions released for Joomla that do the same thing, often coded with varying degrees of professionalism. I get the feeling that many extensions are developed by people with limited coding experience or hack jobs.
As a developer and not a designer I can say I much prefer working with the clean (for the most part) code that is in the drupal project, 3rd party modules etc. I enjoy the knowledgable responses found here. Finally in my mind Drupal is a much more professional system to work with.
Remember, this is all based off of my own personal experiences.
Without being a Drupal
Without being a Drupal expert, from what I understand, the amount of modules is not a valid way of measuring developers vs designers. The reason is mainly because of the Drupal philosophy which leads to less modules with each successive version (I suspect this will become true with version 7 vs 6). Maybe Michelle can share her thoughts on that.
This is mainly because of main modules such as fields (CCK), Views, Context and Rules where one can build their own custom functionality without the need of other smaller modules. This is a difference of approach between the two platforms.
To give you an example, if you go back 4 years in this forum you'll find people trying to find modules such as "restaurant modules" and "reservation modules". Occasionally I still see people coming today, mainly, from the Joomla community asking for the same thing, seeking to find some ready-made solution. Here, in Drupal, most of us know you can build an event, a restaurant reservation, a hotel booking reservation yourself without the need of so specific modules.
This is sometimes hard to explain to newcomers and I guess Drupal should make a bigger effort to make this clear to people who come from other school of thoughts.
This might be hard to grasp for someone with little experience in Drupal. Having said that, the extra time taken in gaining this understanding should eventually lead the website builder to gaining full independence with the platform.
"99% of the time find a
"99% of the time find a developer who can answer your question" getting them to answer it is the problem... usually the response is learn this or a post to a completely unrelated out dated document with the words "starting point" or even no response at all...
:-(
Buddy/Mentor
It may be a good idea to find a Drupal buddy/mentor who you can bounce ideas off and help you find solutions to whatever issues you may have. I've got a little network of developer friends and it really helps when I'm working on modules!
HiI think this is my problem
Hi
I think this is my problem I am not a drupal developer so I read the blurb, install the module follow the instructions and it never really works... take colorbox they have an example of a fixed size box in the demo that doesn't seem to be possible, I have found an issue about it from 2010 that was Drupal 6 and was updated to Drupal 7 in Feb 2012 but still there is no response from the issues team. You are supposed to be able to do it with css I have create a custom css file got it working (without fixed width) and now have nowhere to go for an answer.
It is so frustrating Drupal itself is a great tool, but getting help is hard.
:0(
You might also want to try
You might also want to try and find a local Drupal user group (or set one up) - can be very good for sharing ideas/problems etc.
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>having difficulty with joomla in terms of their support in answering question
What I meant to say was, you might want to find a local *Joomla* user group...
gpk
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I have more than 4 years experience of jooma
Hi sonyacrew,
I worked with joomla more than 4 year (when release version 1.0) and have just more than 1 year experience with drupal, but i think drupal is great CMS. Joomla is good CMS but it is not powerful like drupal, in joomla, component cannot interact with each other like drupal( In drupal we have much hook so modules can interact with each other). In joomla we have something like plugin but it is not good like hook. something you can see between joomla and drupal:
- Joomla have much better template(Free and Commercial) than drupal, but template system of drupal is better.
- Joomla have much extensions(component, module, plugin - free and commercial) than drupal but, module of drupal is better because have much hook supported.
- Joomla system use MVC model so it is easy code extension than drupal
Something share with you about joomla and drupal, hope it can be help you to choose one for your website.
I think this sums it up nicely
I would agree that Joomla is a good CMS, it is certainly functional - and it does what it says on the tin. It is easy to get things done, but if you want to go outside of the box then this is difficult.
Drupal is a great CMS. It is harder to get simple things done quickly - but the power it gives you on complex requirements is outstanding.
With any project you have to look at your requirements, plan well and build your requirements before you start. Once you know what you want to do, look at the available systems, whether it be Joomla, Drupal, Ubercart, Magento etc and see what gives you most cost effective, time effective and supportable solution for you within your budget.
There is no one size fits all solution unfortunately.
I personally feel that Joomla
I personally feel that Joomla and Drupal is great in their own ways.. Per my research, Drupal is search engine friendly while Joomla is excellent as well if zen cart is added in.
But at the current moment, im using zen cart.. I want to try it out and compare it with other as I tried the others as well. That site it http://www.nooniesboutique.com
with my site, I just go the simple way and use yahoo network.
I used Joomla in the past ,
I used Joomla in the past , but this year i decided to migrate to Drupal , because of SEO components ( with bugs) and some other components that caused some errors . Joomla is a little easy to use ( i think ) . For me was a little hard to to understand how to create categories, customize frontpage ,etc. but if read the documentation provided on drupal.org website it's easy .
As you said , support at some components is not very good .
The best for you is what you like , so you can try both CMSand decide which is the best .
Recent article on this topic
This article summarizes the situation after the release of Joomla 1.6 and Drupal 7:
http://thatway.eu/new-joomla-vs-drupal