WEBVTT 59 00:06:34.340 --> 00:06:40.969 Benji Fisher: welcome. This is the Jupiter Usability meeting for January the 20 seventh 2,023 on Benji Fisher, moderating 60 00:06:41.090 --> 00:06:46.310 Benji Fisher: also present our Simo Helstone who's sharing a screen, and we'll start the conversation. 61 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.069 Benji Fisher: Christina Jumia 62 00:06:48.340 --> 00:06:49.800 Benji Fisher: is fun Tsavo 63 00:06:49.880 --> 00:06:52.529 Benji Fisher: and Quinn, F. By 64 00:06:52.910 --> 00:06:57.030 Benji Fisher: my pronunciation is acceptable. Go ahead, Simo 65 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:03.880 Benji Fisher: Simo. 66 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.170 Benji Fisher: We can't hear you. 67 00:07:06.490 --> 00:07:10.799 Simo Hellsten: Yes, okay. So this is a issue. Number 2 for 9, 68 00:07:10.860 --> 00:07:13.360 Simo Hellsten: 2, 1, 7, one. 69 00:07:13.950 --> 00:07:15.250 It's 70 00:07:15.520 --> 00:07:23.020 Simo Hellsten: to provide options, to sanitize, file names, transfer right, lower case, replace what space, etc. 71 00:07:23.430 --> 00:07:27.849 Simo Hellsten: So this has was created in 2,015, 72 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:29.450 Simo Hellsten: and has been 73 00:07:29.520 --> 00:07:31.039 updated 74 00:07:31.750 --> 00:07:34.640 earlier this month, I think, last week. 75 00:07:39.080 --> 00:07:39.960 Simo Hellsten: So 76 00:07:40.100 --> 00:07:41.060 Simo Hellsten: here 77 00:07:44.310 --> 00:07:49.649 Simo Hellsten: the purpose is to reduce the remove a special characters from 78 00:07:49.700 --> 00:07:52.050 Simo Hellsten: call names upon upload. 79 00:07:53.970 --> 00:07:56.470 Simo Hellsten: I have a group of 10, 80 00:07:57.540 --> 00:08:04.319 Simo Hellsten: a website I built locally. So this one doesn't have access for other users, because it's all about local. 81 00:08:05.140 --> 00:08:06.090 But 82 00:08:06.210 --> 00:08:12.040 Simo Hellsten: you can see here it the patch there provides this 83 00:08:12.500 --> 00:08:13.510 Simo Hellsten: section. 84 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.389 Simo Hellsten: file name, sanitation. 85 00:08:16.310 --> 00:08:18.060 We chess 86 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:23.870 Simo Hellsten: one check. What box and checking that opens another 87 00:08:24.150 --> 00:08:25.350 Simo Hellsten: set of 88 00:08:25.740 --> 00:08:26.910 Simo Hellsten: options. 89 00:08:29.340 --> 00:08:31.150 Simo Hellsten: I think here one of the 90 00:08:31.310 --> 00:08:34.020 Simo Hellsten: issues I kind of see that 91 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.499 Simo Hellsten: the checkbook that displays 92 00:08:36.630 --> 00:08:40.210 Simo Hellsten: that, like uses State Api to display other 93 00:08:40.750 --> 00:08:42.100 items 94 00:08:42.419 --> 00:08:44.390 Simo Hellsten: is called translate rate 95 00:08:44.740 --> 00:08:48.430 Simo Hellsten: and translate right means replacing characters 96 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:53.019 Simo Hellsten: that are not in that to a character set by other characters. 97 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:54.160 Simo Hellsten: So 98 00:08:54.890 --> 00:08:56.790 Simo Hellsten: I think I i'm not a 99 00:08:57.940 --> 00:09:00.489 Simo Hellsten: native English speak about, I think. 100 00:09:00.610 --> 00:09:01.400 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. 101 00:09:01.510 --> 00:09:12.340 Simo Hellsten: it shouldn't hide option to replace white space. So it's what it what's replacing white space should be available as it is already. So I think 102 00:09:15.190 --> 00:09:16.290 Simo Hellsten: this once 103 00:09:17.050 --> 00:09:20.239 Simo Hellsten: they, if they, if we have want to have one 104 00:09:20.740 --> 00:09:26.450 Simo Hellsten: check box to hide the options from you, then we should have something like 105 00:09:27.510 --> 00:09:31.860 Simo Hellsten: enable a file name sanitation, instead of using translate rate 106 00:09:32.430 --> 00:09:34.880 Simo Hellsten: check books 107 00:09:35.060 --> 00:09:37.320 Simo Hellsten: also. Another thing is 108 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:49.270 Simo Hellsten: that it's a little bit misleading to say that the file names contain only as key characters, because there are some special characters, and I have been actually comparing this 109 00:09:49.770 --> 00:09:50.460 Simo Hellsten: to 110 00:09:54.050 --> 00:09:55.550 contributed 111 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:56.830 Simo Hellsten: module 112 00:09:59.870 --> 00:10:03.320 Simo Hellsten: and in with path outcome, we have a. 113 00:10:04.490 --> 00:10:05.150 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. 114 00:10:08.670 --> 00:10:13.650 Benji Fisher: Sorry. Your Your audio is a little bit choppy with path auto we have. 115 00:10:13.740 --> 00:10:17.240 Simo Hellsten: We have the it's called the 116 00:10:17.660 --> 00:10:18.920 Simo Hellsten: producing 117 00:10:19.800 --> 00:10:27.110 Simo Hellsten: to us Osi alphabet with transl iteration, and then it's called Osi 90 96, that 118 00:10:27.220 --> 00:10:30.170 Simo Hellsten: if it's a removing white space, as well. 119 00:10:30.270 --> 00:10:31.090 Simo Hellsten: so 120 00:10:32.020 --> 00:10:36.539 Simo Hellsten: there is a different different versions. Use for this 121 00:10:38.020 --> 00:10:42.430 Simo Hellsten: Oski. So it's a little bit confusing to. 122 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:45.380 Simo Hellsten: I mean, if it's not a precise term. 123 00:10:47.290 --> 00:10:48.969 Simo Hellsten: otherwise one of the 124 00:10:49.660 --> 00:10:56.869 Simo Hellsten: discussions in the issue was whether to have a separate replacement character for white space 125 00:10:57.150 --> 00:11:01.169 Simo Hellsten: and known Alpha numeric characters and replacement characters. 126 00:11:01.260 --> 00:11:03.279 Simo Hellsten: So if it it should be one 127 00:11:04.390 --> 00:11:08.799 Simo Hellsten: one replacement structure for everything, or if it should be 128 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.520 selectable 129 00:11:12.660 --> 00:11:14.269 in each case. 130 00:11:15.760 --> 00:11:20.899 Benji Fisher: Oh, okay. But before you get into further details, let's pause for a minute 131 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:25.250 Benji Fisher: and make sure that everyone understands the context. So 132 00:11:25.490 --> 00:11:30.990 Benji Fisher: uploading files to Drupal site, the file may have any file name that the 133 00:11:31.620 --> 00:11:32.620 the 134 00:11:32.690 --> 00:11:35.479 Benji Fisher: the host system allows, and 135 00:11:35.950 --> 00:11:38.900 Benji Fisher: this option is to 136 00:11:39.890 --> 00:11:42.440 Benji Fisher: change the file name by 137 00:11:42.510 --> 00:11:44.780 Benji Fisher: replacing some characters with others. 138 00:11:45.400 --> 00:11:47.769 Benji Fisher: Any any questions about that? 139 00:11:53.060 --> 00:11:54.560 Benji Fisher: And I guess we're 140 00:11:55.290 --> 00:12:01.720 Benji Fisher: talking about the usability issues for the admin form where we configure this process. 141 00:12:04.130 --> 00:12:04.890 Benji Fisher: Go ahead. 142 00:12:05.450 --> 00:12:07.400 Simo Hellsten: Yes. So 143 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:10.239 Simo Hellsten: in the issue 144 00:12:12.490 --> 00:12:15.109 Simo Hellsten: there was a the set of steps 145 00:12:18.780 --> 00:12:19.950 Simo Hellsten: to follow 146 00:12:20.550 --> 00:12:24.829 like they were a set of cushions for us to to review. So 147 00:12:25.420 --> 00:12:30.320 Simo Hellsten: one of one of them was to decide if there should be a user interface at all. 148 00:12:32.380 --> 00:12:36.269 Simo Hellsten: or if they should be configured in settings. Php. 149 00:12:36.800 --> 00:12:39.470 Simo Hellsten: And the other one was. 150 00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:41.949 Simo Hellsten: if there should be 151 00:12:42.570 --> 00:12:49.049 Simo Hellsten: different with replacement characters for white space, not a phone in the Alpha numeric characters 152 00:12:49.140 --> 00:12:52.259 Simo Hellsten: and transfer the iteration unknown characters. 153 00:12:53.020 --> 00:12:55.419 Simo Hellsten: and if it should be 154 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.810 Simo Hellsten: a separate shade, characters 155 00:12:58.860 --> 00:13:01.610 Simo Hellsten: separate replacement charges. 156 00:13:01.750 --> 00:13:03.120 Simo Hellsten: or shed sitting 157 00:13:04.860 --> 00:13:06.080 Simo Hellsten: and 158 00:13:06.180 --> 00:13:11.579 Simo Hellsten: with, and where to place the replacement, character 159 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:13.120 Simo Hellsten: selection. 160 00:13:15.020 --> 00:13:21.080 Simo Hellsten: and also if there should be a selection for trans iteration language. 161 00:13:22.470 --> 00:13:28.170 Benji Fisher: Oh, okay. So so let's. Let's start with the first question: do we want to Ui. 162 00:13:28.530 --> 00:13:29.699 Is there 163 00:13:29.870 --> 00:13:32.469 Benji Fisher: any reason not to have a Ui? 164 00:13:34.610 --> 00:13:38.009 Simo Hellsten: Hmm. I don't think the release any reason not to have 165 00:13:38.340 --> 00:13:47.209 Simo Hellsten: user interface, and this is a issue that has was created in 2,015, and with the current 166 00:13:47.230 --> 00:13:48.480 Simo Hellsten: current 167 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:52.450 Simo Hellsten: it 168 00:13:52.730 --> 00:14:00.010 Simo Hellsten: current goals of a group of I think it one of them is to make it easily usable by site. Build us. 169 00:14:00.910 --> 00:14:08.419 Simo Hellsten: That's one of one of the goals at at the moment also. So it should, I think, definitely should have user interface. 170 00:14:09.930 --> 00:14:16.940 Benji Fisher: I I I I I agree. I think, that this is the sort of thing we configure in the Admin. You know. I 171 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:23.260 Benji Fisher: and I I just don't think that editing your settings, Php. File is. 172 00:14:23.740 --> 00:14:26.040 Benji Fisher: has has has any 173 00:14:27.540 --> 00:14:30.889 Benji Fisher: reason to call itself good user interface to. 174 00:14:31.030 --> 00:14:34.980 Benji Fisher: But maybe i'm missing something. So anyone else have opinions on this? I guess not. 175 00:14:35.520 --> 00:14:38.820 Benji Fisher: Okay. So yes, we should have an admin Ui. We 176 00:14:39.310 --> 00:14:41.120 Benji Fisher: We have consensus on that. 177 00:14:44.950 --> 00:14:48.509 Simo Hellsten: But what what question do you want to address next? 178 00:14:48.560 --> 00:14:54.259 Simo Hellsten: I think Next, I think we should look at whether to have different replacement characters. 179 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:03.129 Simo Hellsten: and in the latest patch it's using a single replacement character for everything that gets replaced. 180 00:15:03.700 --> 00:15:05.699 I think 181 00:15:07.400 --> 00:15:09.980 Simo Hellsten: it doesn't say here, but it kind of 182 00:15:10.270 --> 00:15:12.169 Simo Hellsten: but I assume it 183 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.550 Simo Hellsten: removes accents 184 00:15:14.910 --> 00:15:18.480 Simo Hellsten: from characters, and uses those characters as such. 185 00:15:18.630 --> 00:15:23.639 Simo Hellsten: So that's usually what translate right does. I don't know what it does for Chinese 186 00:15:23.760 --> 00:15:24.540 Simo Hellsten: or 187 00:15:24.700 --> 00:15:26.110 Simo Hellsten: Corey on all that 188 00:15:26.420 --> 00:15:27.850 Simo Hellsten: correct, but 189 00:15:28.700 --> 00:15:35.249 Simo Hellsten: it doesn't. But basically it changes to the charges to similar charges 190 00:15:35.290 --> 00:15:45.319 Simo Hellsten: in all the code set. But replacement replacing is done for white space and dots on the scores dashes. 191 00:15:46.760 --> 00:15:52.679 Benji Fisher: Oh, okay. So so the question is, should we replace everything with a 192 00:15:53.230 --> 00:15:59.819 Benji Fisher: a single character, typically a dash, but it's configurable. Should we replace everything with the same character? 193 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:06.620 Benji Fisher: Or should we replace spaces with one character, and like things like dots and 194 00:16:06.920 --> 00:16:08.740 semicolons 195 00:16:08.760 --> 00:16:10.570 Benji Fisher: with another character? 196 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:14.049 Simo Hellsten: Yes, and I think My 197 00:16:14.070 --> 00:16:18.280 Simo Hellsten: my opinion is that I think a single replacement character 198 00:16:19.880 --> 00:16:20.830 Simo Hellsten: would be 199 00:16:21.160 --> 00:16:24.039 Simo Hellsten: enough for core functionality. 200 00:16:24.490 --> 00:16:27.480 Simo Hellsten: Us. It's a file. Names are not 201 00:16:29.470 --> 00:16:32.779 Simo Hellsten: like. Usually they are not like directly 202 00:16:32.950 --> 00:16:34.170 Simo Hellsten: displayed. 203 00:16:34.390 --> 00:16:40.159 Simo Hellsten: So it's something for more like a technical compatibility, and to have it like 204 00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:43.950 Simo Hellsten: as a default, to have a kind of a good enough option 205 00:16:44.790 --> 00:16:48.729 Simo Hellsten: if we want to compare to contrary module. 206 00:16:50.960 --> 00:17:00.419 Simo Hellsten: autopath or path out. I never remember how which way to it. I think it's 207 00:17:00.990 --> 00:17:02.289 Simo Hellsten: long list of 208 00:17:02.410 --> 00:17:10.780 Simo Hellsten: individual selects, and I think if we want to have individual select, we could lead lead that leave that to possible 209 00:17:10.810 --> 00:17:12.999 Simo Hellsten: concrete module. To extend 210 00:17:15.020 --> 00:17:19.769 Benji Fisher: Is is everyone familiar with the path auto module. I I think it's one of the 211 00:17:19.829 --> 00:17:20.440 okay 212 00:17:20.780 --> 00:17:28.170 Benji Fisher: first candidates for being included in Triple core. Now that we've gotten rid of some of the lesser used modules. 213 00:17:28.790 --> 00:17:31.400 Benji Fisher: but it's it handles 214 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:32.970 Benji Fisher: the path. 215 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:34.789 Benji Fisher: What you see in the 216 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.690 Benji Fisher: you are the URL, and your address bar in your browser. 217 00:17:39.310 --> 00:17:44.970 Benji Fisher: and among other things that it offers transliteration. So 218 00:17:45.010 --> 00:17:46.380 Benji Fisher: the same sort of 219 00:17:46.900 --> 00:17:50.720 Benji Fisher: changes for the past that we're talking about file names. 220 00:17:52.000 --> 00:18:02.099 Benji Fisher: So you're saying pathlet, or does or does not offer options for spaces. That also has a very complex set of options, and I think this is a 221 00:18:02.270 --> 00:18:05.100 Simo Hellsten: more than is needed for 222 00:18:05.620 --> 00:18:06.890 Simo Hellsten: file names. 223 00:18:07.090 --> 00:18:12.170 Simo Hellsten: So this I think they for file names. This would be kind of overkill. 224 00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:14.620 Benji Fisher: Okay, and any other opinions on 225 00:18:14.650 --> 00:18:17.789 Benji Fisher: whether to have a separate replacement character for spaces. 226 00:18:20.910 --> 00:18:23.849 Benji Fisher: I guess my opinion is that 227 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:29.079 Benji Fisher: for usability it's clear that simpler is better. 228 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:39.970 Benji Fisher: If there is some other argument for why it's important to have separate replacement characters 229 00:18:40.190 --> 00:18:43.630 Benji Fisher: that that could override the usability concern. 230 00:18:43.850 --> 00:18:49.050 Benji Fisher: But strictly as usability question, the answer is clear that that 231 00:18:49.520 --> 00:18:54.120 Benji Fisher: one option is simpler than lots of options, or even 2 options. 232 00:18:59.550 --> 00:19:03.449 Benji Fisher: Do you want to talk about the 233 00:19:04.610 --> 00:19:06.280 Benji Fisher: the label for the 234 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:09.459 Benji Fisher: before it's opened up? 235 00:19:09.860 --> 00:19:17.469 Simo Hellsten: I think that was one of the things you mentioned at the start. Yeah, but we could go with that where to place the selection for replacement 236 00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:20.220 Simo Hellsten: characters. That's one of the questions 237 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:23.700 in the issue. So the question was whether to have it 238 00:19:24.040 --> 00:19:26.270 Simo Hellsten: next to that 239 00:19:26.760 --> 00:19:28.200 Simo Hellsten: check boxes. 240 00:19:28.650 --> 00:19:31.029 Well, replacement character 241 00:19:31.670 --> 00:19:33.130 Simo Hellsten: is used. 242 00:19:33.610 --> 00:19:38.460 Simo Hellsten: and also so that it would be, I think, displayed when the check was is checked. 243 00:19:38.710 --> 00:19:39.590 Simo Hellsten: or 244 00:19:39.630 --> 00:19:41.999 Simo Hellsten: if it would be in the end. 245 00:19:42.620 --> 00:19:48.440 Simo Hellsten: And if we are using a single replacement character, I think it's it's a 246 00:19:49.080 --> 00:19:51.370 Simo Hellsten: better to have it in the end. 247 00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:58.529 Simo Hellsten: because if if it refers to to the same character, refers to 2 different check boxes. 248 00:20:05.870 --> 00:20:08.099 Simo Hellsten: I think there might have been a 249 00:20:09.390 --> 00:20:12.380 Simo Hellsten: an image for the other option. 250 00:20:33.010 --> 00:20:37.730 Benji Fisher: and obviously any issue with over 200 comments as 251 00:20:38.360 --> 00:20:39.980 a lot of opinions. 252 00:20:41.600 --> 00:20:42.600 Yes. 253 00:20:48.450 --> 00:20:50.010 Simo Hellsten: so here is that 254 00:20:50.170 --> 00:20:52.560 Simo Hellsten: the differences. 255 00:20:52.900 --> 00:20:54.529 whether it's 256 00:20:55.210 --> 00:20:57.709 Simo Hellsten: in between the check boxes or. 257 00:20:59.280 --> 00:21:01.420 Simo Hellsten: after all, the check boxes. 258 00:21:03.600 --> 00:21:06.129 Simo Hellsten: the replacement character, and I think 259 00:21:07.600 --> 00:21:10.180 Simo Hellsten: it it looks 260 00:21:11.080 --> 00:21:14.629 Simo Hellsten: better like easier to comprehend 261 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:18.079 Simo Hellsten: when the check boxes are in, like all together. 262 00:21:18.300 --> 00:21:20.840 Simo Hellsten: without other stuff in between. 263 00:21:21.570 --> 00:21:23.750 Simo Hellsten: Even if the replacement character 264 00:21:25.430 --> 00:21:26.750 Simo Hellsten: is connected 265 00:21:26.900 --> 00:21:29.390 Simo Hellsten: to the replacement check boxes. 266 00:21:33.820 --> 00:21:35.879 Benji Fisher: I think I agree with you that 267 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:40.700 Benji Fisher: it should not interrupt the sequence of check boxes. 268 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.989 Benji Fisher: so it should either be at the very top or at the very bottom. 269 00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:47.869 Benji Fisher: I think, at the very bottom. It's fine. 270 00:21:55.810 --> 00:21:58.319 It's easier for you to follow you. 271 00:22:03.840 --> 00:22:04.530 Okay. 272 00:22:06.170 --> 00:22:07.059 Simo Hellsten: and that 273 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:14.269 Simo Hellsten: Then there's one small thing we I was wondering. I'm not a native English speaker. So 274 00:22:14.690 --> 00:22:20.019 Simo Hellsten: what is the difference between between duplicate and double? Because I was thinking. 275 00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:21.479 Simo Hellsten: or these? 276 00:22:21.610 --> 00:22:27.530 Simo Hellsten: Is this a double dot and double on the score or duplicate dot and duplicate underscore. 277 00:22:31.370 --> 00:22:34.159 Benji Fisher: So what's the difference between double and duplicate? 278 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:34.940 Simo Hellsten: Hmm. 279 00:22:39.790 --> 00:22:47.320 Benji Fisher: I guess the English is a wonderful language. Both words can be used either as an adjective or verb. 280 00:22:47.490 --> 00:22:50.329 Benji Fisher: But in this context there 281 00:22:50.660 --> 00:22:52.040 Benji Fisher: adjectives. 282 00:22:55.870 --> 00:22:56.510 I 283 00:22:56.540 --> 00:23:02.439 Benji Fisher: can't think of any significant difference between them in this context. 284 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:03.390 Okay. 285 00:23:08.320 --> 00:23:13.819 Benji Fisher: and does it actually remove 2 dots, or does it replace 2 dots with one dot? 286 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:15.870 Simo Hellsten: I think it would 287 00:23:16.350 --> 00:23:18.550 Simo Hellsten: replace it with one dot. 288 00:23:26.230 --> 00:23:30.290 Simo Hellsten: I didn't check what it does. But the yeah, it it's not really clear. 289 00:23:33.740 --> 00:23:35.219 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, it could be. 290 00:23:35.830 --> 00:23:39.909 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, yeah, My idea was like 291 00:23:40.090 --> 00:23:40.800 Simo Hellsten: Joe. 292 00:23:40.900 --> 00:23:44.709 Simo Hellsten: like I didn't even think about it, removing it 293 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.879 all together, but just 294 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:49.710 Simo Hellsten: replacing it with single. 295 00:23:51.770 --> 00:23:56.379 Benji Fisher: Okay. So so one suggestion I have is to add 296 00:23:56.660 --> 00:23:59.310 Benji Fisher: description text, there 297 00:23:59.740 --> 00:24:02.759 Benji Fisher: being a little bit more explicit. 298 00:24:05.620 --> 00:24:08.820 Benji Fisher: so something like multiple 299 00:24:09.970 --> 00:24:14.070 Benji Fisher: characters will be replaced with a single character. 300 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:20.280 Benji Fisher: I I assume that 3 dots will be replaced with one.as well, although 301 00:24:21.070 --> 00:24:26.239 Benji Fisher: it's possible that the first 2 would be replaced with one, and then we'd be left with 2. But 302 00:24:28.690 --> 00:24:32.430 Benji Fisher: I i'm not sure what's accurate, but but a description saying 303 00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.610 Benji Fisher: what what is accurate would would help. 304 00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:36.030 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. 305 00:24:39.810 --> 00:24:42.549 Benji Fisher: One question I have is whether 306 00:24:43.050 --> 00:24:44.789 you know 307 00:24:45.110 --> 00:24:51.609 Benji Fisher: it. It looks like it's not possible to place white space without also transliterating. 308 00:24:55.550 --> 00:24:58.779 Simo Hellsten: Yes, and I think that's one of the problems. 309 00:24:58.910 --> 00:25:03.830 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, that first thing that it wasn't asked in the issue. 310 00:25:04.150 --> 00:25:06.559 Simo Hellsten: But it was kind of a something that 311 00:25:07.090 --> 00:25:08.919 Simo Hellsten: that came up that that 312 00:25:09.030 --> 00:25:12.840 Simo Hellsten: kind of I think there is the misunderstanding that 313 00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:15.489 Simo Hellsten: what replacing like a 314 00:25:15.540 --> 00:25:19.659 Simo Hellsten: transliterate would mean changing any characters. 315 00:25:21.220 --> 00:25:22.579 Simo Hellsten: so it's kind of a 316 00:25:23.150 --> 00:25:28.300 Simo Hellsten: kind of sanitation and transfer iteration. We're kind of confused 317 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:31.160 Simo Hellsten: when making that one 318 00:25:31.390 --> 00:25:36.699 Simo Hellsten: making that form, so I think, transfer to the right should be 319 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:37.899 Simo Hellsten: like 320 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.780 Simo Hellsten: at the same level with all the other options. 321 00:25:41.630 --> 00:25:42.790 Simo Hellsten: And 322 00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:44.990 Simo Hellsten: the question is, if 323 00:25:45.110 --> 00:25:47.820 Simo Hellsten: this is such that kind of form that 324 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.149 Simo Hellsten: should be kind of hidden. 325 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:57.039 Simo Hellsten: If there is, I think that it might be something like that would be a check box for 326 00:25:57.220 --> 00:25:58.750 Simo Hellsten: enable 327 00:25:58.930 --> 00:26:02.730 Simo Hellsten: file, name, sanitation, or sanitize file names. 328 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:06.450 Simo Hellsten: and then it would show this once. But I think 329 00:26:06.630 --> 00:26:07.849 Simo Hellsten: this is not 330 00:26:08.610 --> 00:26:11.839 Simo Hellsten: really such a long list of options 331 00:26:12.990 --> 00:26:18.479 Simo Hellsten: that i'm. I'm not sure if it's really necessary to have this hidden. 332 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.150 But for sure. 333 00:26:20.330 --> 00:26:23.920 Simo Hellsten: we shouldn't use transliterate checkbooks for hiding 334 00:26:24.060 --> 00:26:27.299 Simo Hellsten: this. It should be kind of a top level 335 00:26:27.730 --> 00:26:28.630 Simo Hellsten: term. 336 00:26:29.310 --> 00:26:31.780 Benji Fisher: right? Okay. So so here's a 337 00:26:32.150 --> 00:26:33.490 Benji Fisher: Here's my advice. 338 00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:39.030 Benji Fisher: First of all, instead of file, name sanitization. 339 00:26:39.620 --> 00:26:44.270 Benji Fisher: Send it to a that's a 5 syllable word. Make it 340 00:26:44.750 --> 00:26:47.339 Benji Fisher: sanitize file names. 341 00:26:52.820 --> 00:26:57.049 Benji Fisher: so it may make it an an an action, a sentence rather than 342 00:26:57.290 --> 00:26:58.380 Benji Fisher: a label. 343 00:26:58.470 --> 00:27:00.370 Benji Fisher: And then, second. 344 00:27:01.850 --> 00:27:03.590 Benji Fisher: make the whole thing 345 00:27:03.770 --> 00:27:04.880 Benji Fisher: a 346 00:27:05.100 --> 00:27:06.980 Benji Fisher: details element 347 00:27:07.570 --> 00:27:09.520 Benji Fisher: collapsed by default. 348 00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:15.890 Benji Fisher: And so, when you click on sanitize file names, the whole thing opens up. 349 00:27:16.460 --> 00:27:18.700 Benji Fisher: You can 350 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.139 Benji Fisher: choose any one of the options. 351 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.739 Benji Fisher: whether or not you've chosen to transliterate. 352 00:27:27.050 --> 00:27:28.610 Simo Hellsten: So we are looking at 353 00:27:28.800 --> 00:27:29.930 Simo Hellsten: this kind of 354 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:31.060 Simo Hellsten: element 355 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:32.620 Simo Hellsten: punctuation 356 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:35.090 Simo Hellsten: that's gonna be open and close to 357 00:27:35.580 --> 00:27:39.139 Benji Fisher: right. That that's an HTML details. Element. Yes. 358 00:27:39.250 --> 00:27:41.719 Benji Fisher: yeah, I will I that that's what I'm suggesting. 359 00:27:43.010 --> 00:27:47.060 Benji Fisher: Oh, I see that, for shawl has joined the meeting. Hi! 360 00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:52.080 Benji Fisher: Agree, Disagree anyone. 361 00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:58.870 Quynh Pham: Yes, agree on that approach. It's a it's 362 00:27:59.310 --> 00:28:01.020 Quynh Pham: clear. And 363 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.109 Quynh Pham: just this: spread the whole thing like that. 364 00:28:05.760 --> 00:28:09.270 Benji Fisher: Okay, Any Any other suggestions for improvement? 365 00:28:13.010 --> 00:28:16.909 Benji Fisher: Simo, do you have other questions related to this. 366 00:28:19.180 --> 00:28:23.810 Simo Hellsten: I think. No, I think, yeah. What one other thing was 367 00:28:23.870 --> 00:28:25.030 Simo Hellsten: that was 368 00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:30.600 Simo Hellsten: in the issue was whether it should be possible to select transfer duration language. 369 00:28:31.260 --> 00:28:33.020 Simo Hellsten: but I think 370 00:28:34.700 --> 00:28:38.479 Simo Hellsten: we don't want to make make it more complex. 371 00:28:39.860 --> 00:28:47.669 Benji Fisher: Yeah. And and I think that's a similar to what I said before, if there's a used case for it, then then do it. But 372 00:28:47.950 --> 00:28:51.690 Benji Fisher: but from usability point of view, simpler is better. 373 00:28:51.810 --> 00:28:52.500 Yeah. 374 00:28:52.830 --> 00:28:57.419 Benji Fisher: So you know that that can be overridden by a strong use case. But 375 00:28:59.010 --> 00:29:03.200 Benji Fisher: but if you're asking for Usability review, then 376 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:05.329 Benji Fisher: it's simpler not to. 377 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.790 Benji Fisher: Okay, do you have what you need? 378 00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:16.299 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, I have, and you'll leave a comment on the issue. Yeah, I'll do that great. Thank you. 379 00:29:19.050 --> 00:29:21.290 Benji Fisher: Christina. Would you like to go next? 380 00:29:25.630 --> 00:29:26.430 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah. 381 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:28.950 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 382 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:30.610 Once 383 00:29:30.710 --> 00:29:32.180 Cristina Chumillas: that cool. 384 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.510 Cristina Chumillas: I took the 385 00:29:36.110 --> 00:29:36.870 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 386 00:29:37.030 --> 00:29:39.679 Cristina Chumillas: i'm gonna share this screen. 387 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:48.609 Cristina Chumillas: Can you see it? 388 00:29:48.770 --> 00:29:49.460 Benji Fisher: Yes. 389 00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:51.260 Cristina Chumillas: cool. 390 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:58.840 Cristina Chumillas: So basically, last week I presented the proposal to 391 00:29:59.540 --> 00:30:06.250 Cristina Chumillas: create user person us for drupal for the at least for the administration 392 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.989 Cristina Chumillas: user interface. And 393 00:30:10.180 --> 00:30:14.200 Cristina Chumillas: basically the goal is with this definition 394 00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:19.200 Cristina Chumillas: provide, like some guidance for 395 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:24.889 Cristina Chumillas: different functionalities, Different menus different 396 00:30:25.030 --> 00:30:29.020 Cristina Chumillas: in general different things. I might need different users. 397 00:30:29.670 --> 00:30:31.360 Cristina Chumillas: I'm gonna share 398 00:30:31.650 --> 00:30:36.910 Cristina Chumillas: the link again on the 399 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:37.960 Cristina Chumillas: All right. 400 00:30:38.020 --> 00:30:41.120 Cristina Chumillas: Oh, okay, thank you. The zoom Chat. 401 00:30:41.590 --> 00:30:43.109 Cristina Chumillas: Thank you. That's great. 402 00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:59.109 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, so that basically I came up I came up with. I came last week to the to the meeting with the initial proposal, with some work still to do, and I asked folks on the call like to help me out, because i'm 403 00:30:59.120 --> 00:31:09.009 Cristina Chumillas: really bad that writing, and especially with a language that is not mine which is English, and the goal is to define these user personas 404 00:31:09.070 --> 00:31:13.620 Cristina Chumillas: propose that on a. 405 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.079 Cristina Chumillas: and then from there 406 00:31:16.190 --> 00:31:29.890 Cristina Chumillas: post them, either on group, all the torque or whatever, but I really use them as a as a guidance for making calls in the future. 407 00:31:30.490 --> 00:31:45.029 Cristina Chumillas: Some thoughts that came up. Where like is this going to end up implemented as a roles shipping on the standard proprietal profile or not? Or 408 00:31:45.450 --> 00:31:59.860 Cristina Chumillas: well, this kind of of questions that is probably like, how are we going to implement that? But the first thing is like to present that to the broad community. So people can actually give feedback. And 409 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.219 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, basically. I've been doing some work 410 00:32:04.300 --> 00:32:08.470 Cristina Chumillas: like I've started like 411 00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:11.750 Cristina Chumillas: here I start the 412 00:32:11.910 --> 00:32:15.969 Cristina Chumillas: the the attempt to create the 413 00:32:17.560 --> 00:32:24.419 Cristina Chumillas: first love skeleton for the ideas. If you proposal 414 00:32:24.990 --> 00:32:26.040 Cristina Chumillas: like 415 00:32:26.300 --> 00:32:31.490 Cristina Chumillas: stuff that needs to be defined like the problem motivation and all these things. 416 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:40.159 Cristina Chumillas: But still there's some working here, and I'm attracted to which one. We really need to have 417 00:32:40.300 --> 00:32:45.440 Cristina Chumillas: everything finished which I think so before actually posting that. 418 00:32:46.100 --> 00:32:52.639 Cristina Chumillas: And with that I think Benjy also did some working here. So if you want to jump in. 419 00:32:53.770 --> 00:32:59.460 Benji Fisher: I created a slide deck using the same text from from the Google Talk. 420 00:32:59.590 --> 00:33:04.640 Benji Fisher: so that if this is something people would like to bring to their meet ups 421 00:33:05.090 --> 00:33:07.559 Benji Fisher: and and talk about and get feedback. 422 00:33:07.820 --> 00:33:13.199 Benji Fisher: You. You can use that, i'll, I? I will paste a link into the 423 00:33:14.270 --> 00:33:16.980 Cristina Chumillas: I have to do. 424 00:33:17.080 --> 00:33:19.320 Cristina Chumillas: I don't. It's not open. 425 00:33:21.490 --> 00:33:25.319 Cristina Chumillas: so I I open it, but i'm not sure where I left it. 426 00:33:25.520 --> 00:33:26.590 Cristina Chumillas: maybe. 427 00:33:26.790 --> 00:33:28.509 Cristina Chumillas: Oh, here it is. 428 00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:36.409 Benji Fisher: So, Christina. I think 429 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:41.140 Benji Fisher: maybe what we should do as long as we have 430 00:33:41.860 --> 00:33:46.190 Benji Fisher: group together is just go through one or 2 of the roles 431 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:51.780 Benji Fisher: and see whether anyone has anything to add to what you've already got. 432 00:33:52.790 --> 00:33:54.679 There is 433 00:33:54.710 --> 00:33:56.940 Cristina Chumillas: stuff to do like, for example. 434 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:05.469 Cristina Chumillas: all these things, and especially the Content manager, one which is going to be the most 435 00:34:06.470 --> 00:34:20.199 Cristina Chumillas: problematic, I would say, because well, not problematic. But it's going to be like there's going to be some push back for sure, because not everybody uses like the Content manager person. 436 00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:23.659 Cristina Chumillas: and probably we should kind of 437 00:34:25.429 --> 00:34:41.239 Cristina Chumillas: propose it or explain it as a an album or a a role on top, while I'm: I'm. Rather thinking on those as a user person on top of the Content Editor that actually shares a lot of stuff with the container. 438 00:34:41.530 --> 00:34:42.930 Cristina Chumillas: but that we kind of start. 439 00:34:43.030 --> 00:34:44.000 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, go ahead. 440 00:34:44.389 --> 00:34:54.250 Benji Fisher: Yeah. So so not every site will have all these personas. Sometimes 1 one person will have 2 of them. 441 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:55.940 Benji Fisher: I think that's okay. 442 00:34:56.170 --> 00:34:59.939 Benji Fisher: But but I I guess. Yeah, let's 443 00:35:00.590 --> 00:35:02.330 Benji Fisher: look at the 444 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.300 Benji Fisher: the 5 roles we have administrator. 445 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.779 Benji Fisher: site, builder, content editor, content manager. 446 00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:11.709 Benji Fisher: and anonymous. 447 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.799 Benji Fisher: and and so 448 00:35:15.020 --> 00:35:22.310 Benji Fisher: content, editor and content manager. There's often these are separate roles, one person 449 00:35:22.770 --> 00:35:28.779 Benji Fisher: writing the content, and then the second person approving it, and deciding when to publish it. 450 00:35:29.640 --> 00:35:33.589 Benji Fisher: So again, not every site, but it's a pretty common use case. 451 00:35:33.710 --> 00:35:37.040 Benji Fisher: and you'd like to look at the the second role, the Content manager. 452 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:47.120 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah. So first of all, before that I try. I was trying to come up with some texting here where 453 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:56.870 Cristina Chumillas: we present that to the community. So we explain that we already have the Continental role on the standard profile. 454 00:35:57.170 --> 00:36:00.420 Cristina Chumillas: and there is an issue to create the Content manager role 455 00:36:00.500 --> 00:36:04.719 Cristina Chumillas: where there is like some back and forth on the 456 00:36:04.940 --> 00:36:08.020 Cristina Chumillas: permissions that it has in me to have. 457 00:36:08.350 --> 00:36:18.569 Cristina Chumillas: So that's really important that we come up with like, for example, you just said that maybe the Content Editor can't publish its own content. 458 00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:26.150 Cristina Chumillas: while I would say I would sing that continent, or come from, publish its own content. 459 00:36:26.180 --> 00:36:40.270 Cristina Chumillas: and maybe the content manager can administer the content for other people. So this kind of things it's something that we'll need to be sure that we ask for fit. But for this specific, more controversial things. 460 00:36:40.770 --> 00:36:43.909 Cristina Chumillas: anyway. Go ahead. Sorry 461 00:36:43.990 --> 00:36:49.200 Benji Fisher: that does anyone else here have experience with with that sort of management of site. 462 00:36:53.510 --> 00:36:54.120 Simo Hellsten: Hmm. 463 00:36:54.740 --> 00:36:56.170 Simo Hellsten: Well, I have some 464 00:36:56.660 --> 00:36:58.439 Simo Hellsten: some experience 465 00:36:58.690 --> 00:37:01.489 Simo Hellsten: kind of helping clients manage. So it 466 00:37:01.740 --> 00:37:02.459 Okay. 467 00:37:03.270 --> 00:37:08.369 Benji Fisher: Yeah, it's a it's too bad that Thomas Doesn't here this Week Haven't seen him in in a while. 468 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.770 Benji Fisher: He would certainly have good opinions on this. 469 00:37:11.930 --> 00:37:14.539 Benji Fisher: But but let's look, then, at 470 00:37:14.680 --> 00:37:18.860 Benji Fisher: at what you have so far for the Content manager and see if we 471 00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:21.469 Cristina Chumillas: you can come up with anything to add to that. Okay. 472 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:28.800 Cristina Chumillas: so probably we also think about create some call, some kind of 473 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:36.500 Cristina Chumillas: call, or some kind of form, or something like that that actually 474 00:37:37.560 --> 00:37:57.160 Cristina Chumillas: drupal shops can send to their clients to give feedback from real clients. For example, like you might start defining a side, and by that time that it's delivered then one year after some other needs might have been 475 00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:07.750 Cristina Chumillas: discovered. So I think it would be good to get our real clients answers in here, not just through our community that actually builds that. 476 00:38:08.720 --> 00:38:11.259 Cristina Chumillas: So yeah, let's 477 00:38:13.330 --> 00:38:19.210 Cristina Chumillas: sorry. Is there anything else that we want to discuss? To be sure, how about the time that we have? 478 00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:24.970 Benji Fisher: I mean, are there other issues we want to talk about. 479 00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:25.899 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah. 480 00:38:25.990 --> 00:38:29.529 Benji Fisher: yeah, there is one i'd like. So if we can 481 00:38:29.930 --> 00:38:32.680 Benji Fisher: limit this to 10 or 15 min more. 482 00:38:33.030 --> 00:38:35.190 Benji Fisher: I'd like to have the rest of the time. 483 00:38:36.460 --> 00:38:37.350 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 484 00:38:42.060 --> 00:38:45.880 Cristina Chumillas: Would you like to start with 485 00:38:46.490 --> 00:38:51.189 Cristina Chumillas: Administrator, for example, and we can move on later on to something else? 486 00:38:54.670 --> 00:39:00.999 Benji Fisher: Yeah, let's just choose one role and and let people suggest additions. 487 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:20.669 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. So what we define for the administrator was, for example, that as a behavior just to for whoever wasn't in around last time we don't want to go super on really a big detail on 488 00:39:20.750 --> 00:39:38.699 Cristina Chumillas: like demographics for a person, a user per persona, because it's something that it usually happens on a lot of user person as. But I don't think we need to call that far. So we are just defining the behaviors like what they usually do. Why are they doing that? 489 00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:42.789 Cristina Chumillas: How and what's the thing that frustrates them? The most 490 00:39:42.930 --> 00:39:47.100 Cristina Chumillas: and obviously which technology are they? 491 00:39:47.180 --> 00:39:48.250 Cristina Chumillas: You still 492 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:55.590 Cristina Chumillas: so on the behaviors, like what they usually do is like every part of the day day to the court case. 493 00:39:55.830 --> 00:40:03.790 Cristina Chumillas: Drupal. Well, the call is that person is usually responsible for administering a double side. It means that it's. 494 00:40:04.100 --> 00:40:15.040 Cristina Chumillas: It can be the person like, for example, it's going to be the admin for a triple site, one that is delivered by the triple shop, or it's built on inside. 495 00:40:15.430 --> 00:40:19.389 Cristina Chumillas: And what this user is going to do is 496 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:25.620 Cristina Chumillas: going to spend on a big part of their day to day working Group of 497 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.929 Cristina Chumillas: it will keep track of the status of the site like 498 00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:36.299 Cristina Chumillas: database cyber problems or modularly modular security updates. 499 00:40:36.830 --> 00:40:45.290 Cristina Chumillas: and going to date the site, and it's contributed module. So it's not just going to keep track, but also it's going to actually date that 500 00:40:46.570 --> 00:40:53.120 Cristina Chumillas: it's when he's trying to develop new features, writing modules and 501 00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:56.819 Cristina Chumillas: trying to administer permission for other users. 502 00:40:57.600 --> 00:41:01.020 Cristina Chumillas: and maybe create permissions. 503 00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:04.419 Cristina Chumillas: Can you think of anything else? 504 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.930 Benji Fisher: I see you've unmuted yourself. But I don't hear anything. 505 00:41:16.100 --> 00:41:19.510 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, I was thinking like kind of this. 506 00:41:21.370 --> 00:41:25.100 Simo Hellsten: Well, administrator probably does trouble shooting. 507 00:41:28.770 --> 00:41:34.880 Simo Hellsten: so it's a They're like keeping track of the site, but also kind of this kind of a 508 00:41:35.640 --> 00:41:37.670 Simo Hellsten: clear and cautious that's kind of a 509 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.670 Simo Hellsten: maintenance actions. 510 00:41:43.330 --> 00:41:44.279 Okay. 511 00:41:45.550 --> 00:41:48.149 Benji Fisher: So troubleshooting, I think that's 512 00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:50.199 Benji Fisher: good thing to add. 513 00:41:51.180 --> 00:41:53.279 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, and also kind of a 514 00:41:53.830 --> 00:41:57.369 Simo Hellsten: well clearing. The cautious is something that's kind of about 515 00:41:57.680 --> 00:42:02.700 Simo Hellsten: one of the like. A lot of problems disappear when you clear the cash 516 00:42:03.060 --> 00:42:09.069 Simo Hellsten: so that that that's kind of a there is a kind of that for run running the Crown manually. Also. 517 00:42:15.290 --> 00:42:16.169 Okay. 518 00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:20.169 Cristina Chumillas: right? 519 00:42:20.350 --> 00:42:21.290 Cristina Chumillas: Thanks. 520 00:42:25.070 --> 00:42:26.270 Cristina Chumillas: Anything else. 521 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:27.560 Cristina Chumillas: Hmm. 522 00:42:29.470 --> 00:42:33.369 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. So the motivations are. 523 00:42:35.580 --> 00:42:39.399 Cristina Chumillas: I just came up. I I just was able to came up with 524 00:42:39.700 --> 00:42:42.479 Cristina Chumillas: that person is not responsible of the side, so it 525 00:42:43.040 --> 00:42:46.039 Cristina Chumillas: obviously wants to keep it working. 526 00:42:46.140 --> 00:42:48.679 Cristina Chumillas: Not sure if anybody can think of anything else. 527 00:42:53.160 --> 00:42:56.990 Benji Fisher: Let's say something like is responsible to the site owner. 528 00:43:02.790 --> 00:43:04.910 Cristina Chumillas: It's responsible 529 00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:06.330 Cristina Chumillas: for 530 00:43:06.600 --> 00:43:08.220 Benji Fisher: not 4, but 2 531 00:43:08.530 --> 00:43:09.909 Benji Fisher: to the side owner. 532 00:43:15.160 --> 00:43:18.789 Benji Fisher: So once keep the site owner happy 533 00:43:18.950 --> 00:43:21.249 Benji Fisher: would be a a little 534 00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:23.170 Benji Fisher: flip in way to say it. 535 00:43:23.530 --> 00:43:27.700 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, so it's kind of wants to get the employer. 536 00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:34.439 Cristina Chumillas: So maybe it's not the person he's, not the person that 537 00:43:35.010 --> 00:43:36.729 Cristina Chumillas: actually on the side. 538 00:43:37.550 --> 00:43:38.679 Benji Fisher: typically not 539 00:43:40.110 --> 00:43:40.939 Cristina Chumillas: okay 540 00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:48.479 Cristina Chumillas: about attitudes. Does anybody happen as well? 541 00:43:52.180 --> 00:43:53.749 Cristina Chumillas: I'm trying to 542 00:43:53.810 --> 00:43:54.700 Cristina Chumillas: fine. 543 00:43:57.010 --> 00:44:00.329 Cristina Chumillas: I i'm not sure what attitudes really mean 544 00:44:05.100 --> 00:44:05.770 It's 545 00:44:06.080 --> 00:44:08.229 Cristina Chumillas: i'm trying to 546 00:44:11.310 --> 00:44:14.109 Cristina Chumillas: find the example 547 00:44:15.790 --> 00:44:18.910 Benji Fisher: like group responsible or 548 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:20.859 Benji Fisher: big picture. 549 00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:22.830 Is that the sort of 550 00:44:24.830 --> 00:44:27.549 Benji Fisher: phrase you're looking for under attitudes? 551 00:44:28.350 --> 00:44:29.390 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, that 552 00:44:29.540 --> 00:44:30.729 Cristina Chumillas: on 553 00:44:38.610 --> 00:44:40.229 Cristina Chumillas: this is an example. 554 00:44:43.570 --> 00:44:46.539 Cristina Chumillas: Can you zoom in a little bit, that's 555 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:47.459 Cristina Chumillas: sure. 556 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.640 Benji Fisher: Oh, that's much better. Things 557 00:44:54.270 --> 00:44:58.629 Benji Fisher: like flexible things. Word presses for simple sites 558 00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:00.640 like. 559 00:45:02.390 --> 00:45:05.299 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, 1 s i'm going to full time another one 560 00:45:06.210 --> 00:45:08.710 Cristina Chumillas: next to this one. 561 00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:11.940 Cristina Chumillas: So you have another. 562 00:45:16.720 --> 00:45:17.850 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 563 00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:34.879 Cristina Chumillas: I'm not gonna write it because you're gonna be way faster writing, reading it done 564 00:45:35.220 --> 00:45:37.829 Cristina Chumillas: myself, right? We it to you. 565 00:45:39.010 --> 00:45:41.860 Cristina Chumillas: But things like 566 00:45:44.120 --> 00:45:47.029 Cristina Chumillas: these are live 567 00:45:49.020 --> 00:45:55.509 Cristina Chumillas: what that t to. It's like it cares, or it doesn't care about drupal person. 568 00:45:55.700 --> 00:45:57.390 Cristina Chumillas: or 569 00:45:58.770 --> 00:46:01.890 Cristina Chumillas: he believes in open source. 570 00:46:08.040 --> 00:46:11.330 Cristina Chumillas: We can decide that this is not really useful. 571 00:46:14.230 --> 00:46:16.399 Cristina Chumillas: This is kind of in the 572 00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:18.359 Cristina Chumillas: great area 573 00:46:18.680 --> 00:46:21.399 Cristina Chumillas: of useful man's life, though 574 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.920 Cristina Chumillas: information like I 575 00:46:26.040 --> 00:46:30.159 Cristina Chumillas: like a name and demographics and all these things. 576 00:46:31.770 --> 00:46:33.760 Cristina Chumillas: So we kind of skipped that. 577 00:46:34.110 --> 00:46:34.899 Benji Fisher: Okay. 578 00:46:35.580 --> 00:46:37.240 Cristina Chumillas: What other people think. 579 00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:38.869 Cristina Chumillas: do you all see? 580 00:46:39.710 --> 00:46:41.810 Cristina Chumillas: Does anybody 581 00:46:41.870 --> 00:46:45.220 Cristina Chumillas: I think that they should be 582 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:46.580 Cristina Chumillas: skipped 583 00:46:46.850 --> 00:46:49.590 Cristina Chumillas: right plus one, if you are 3, 584 00:46:49.700 --> 00:46:51.290 Cristina Chumillas: Should we skip this? 585 00:46:54.190 --> 00:46:58.319 Benji Fisher: Well, if we don't have anything to add to it, let's skip it for now. 586 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.199 Benji Fisher: frustrations. That's always something that people love to talk about 587 00:47:02.650 --> 00:47:06.120 Benji Fisher: frustrations. The site is slow. 588 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:07.910 Yeah. 589 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:10.770 Cristina Chumillas: yeah. 590 00:47:11.220 --> 00:47:12.910 Benji Fisher: it's complicated. 591 00:47:28.940 --> 00:47:30.109 The 592 00:47:31.790 --> 00:47:34.810 Benji Fisher: The options aren't clearly described 593 00:47:35.750 --> 00:47:37.120 Benji Fisher: or confusing. 594 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:44.279 Cristina Chumillas: Do you really think 595 00:47:44.310 --> 00:47:49.120 Cristina Chumillas: the site is slow, for the admin person would be a thing that 596 00:47:49.810 --> 00:47:56.610 Cristina Chumillas: the administrator would think of, or it could be more like a frustration for a site builder, for example, or a content editor. 597 00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:00.639 Cristina Chumillas: It goes. 598 00:48:00.830 --> 00:48:06.290 Cristina Chumillas: I don't I don't see like as a general frustration for all drupal sites. 599 00:48:06.980 --> 00:48:13.299 Cristina Chumillas: It could become a frustration. But i'm not sure. I would vote for this 100%. 600 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.980 Cristina Chumillas: But i'm not sure about this. 601 00:48:16.390 --> 00:48:20.029 Benji Fisher: Okay, yeah, I guess we could move that to one of the other roles 602 00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:23.060 say. 603 00:48:23.090 --> 00:48:27.770 Benji Fisher: say the person actually using the site, the site editor, or the Content editor 604 00:48:27.860 --> 00:48:30.209 Benji Fisher: is the one who cares that the site is slow. 605 00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:39.329 Quynh Pham: Yeah. So it's go to the content. 80 to 606 00:48:39.390 --> 00:48:41.490 Quynh Pham: more than the admin 607 00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:02.359 content. Editor: Frustrations. 608 00:49:06.560 --> 00:49:07.430 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 609 00:49:11.420 --> 00:49:14.579 Cristina Chumillas: And what about the technical tech use. 610 00:49:14.890 --> 00:49:18.849 Cristina Chumillas: So yeah, Administrator is going to be a person that is able to use gate. 611 00:49:19.180 --> 00:49:23.029 Cristina Chumillas: The console terminal 612 00:49:23.270 --> 00:49:24.979 Cristina Chumillas: is 613 00:49:27.470 --> 00:49:29.939 Cristina Chumillas: he can use. 614 00:49:30.050 --> 00:49:36.330 Cristina Chumillas: maybe some day devops like servers and things like that 615 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.339 Cristina Chumillas: he'll be. He'll know how to deal with that. 616 00:49:41.680 --> 00:49:49.490 Cristina Chumillas: and mainly trying to use the laptop like either with a non monitor or the the laptop itself. It's not going to use 617 00:49:52.990 --> 00:49:55.070 Cristina Chumillas: the triple side with that. 618 00:49:59.750 --> 00:50:05.220 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I I would remove anything that doesn't typically have a a keyboard. So 619 00:50:10.770 --> 00:50:12.520 Cristina Chumillas: cool. 620 00:50:13.670 --> 00:50:16.980 Cristina Chumillas: Do you want to jump into to the other issue? 621 00:50:17.710 --> 00:50:19.870 Benji Fisher: They do hard in mind. 622 00:50:21.450 --> 00:50:28.260 Benji Fisher: I was just thinking tech use for the Administrator would be some sort of cloud platform. 623 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:30.750 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, that's true. 624 00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:33.870 Benji Fisher: Like Aws 625 00:50:33.970 --> 00:50:35.569 Benji Fisher: Amazon or 626 00:50:36.020 --> 00:50:36.939 Google 627 00:50:38.090 --> 00:50:40.480 or what's the Microsoft one as your 628 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:48.879 Cristina Chumillas: that makes sense. 629 00:50:49.150 --> 00:50:50.529 Thanks. 630 00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:57.649 Benji Fisher: So I I would like to get input from the others. Would you like to continue on this topic or 631 00:51:00.260 --> 00:51:01.799 Benji Fisher: anything to add here? 632 00:51:02.330 --> 00:51:05.039 Benji Fisher: Because there there is something that I would like to bring up. 633 00:51:09.010 --> 00:51:11.609 Benji Fisher: Okay, not hearing any opinions I feel. 634 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.740 Benji Fisher: Let me share my screen. 635 00:51:15.010 --> 00:51:16.610 Let me go on to this. 636 00:51:18.650 --> 00:51:21.339 Give me a minute while I find the right window. 637 00:51:32.090 --> 00:51:32.979 There we go. 638 00:51:35.260 --> 00:51:38.489 Benji Fisher: Okay. So I think everyone should see 639 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:45.600 Benji Fisher: my screen where i'm looking at the same thing that we were looking at a minute ago. 640 00:51:46.970 --> 00:51:50.479 Benji Fisher: and if you're familiar with zoom you'll know that it's 641 00:51:50.720 --> 00:51:53.770 Benji Fisher: now a little harder for me to keep my eye on the chat 642 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:55.709 Benji Fisher: since i'm sharing my screen. 643 00:51:56.700 --> 00:52:01.720 Benji Fisher: But the issue I would like to talk about is 644 00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:04.260 Benji Fisher: 3, 3, 3, 3, 645 00:52:04.550 --> 00:52:05.869 Benji Fisher: 3, 8, 3, 646 00:52:06.970 --> 00:52:08.640 Benji Fisher: or 3, 3, 3, 647 00:52:08.810 --> 00:52:13.189 Benji Fisher: 3, 3, 8, 3. I accidentally clicked somewhere. I didn't mean to. 648 00:52:13.310 --> 00:52:18.970 Benji Fisher: So to create a redirect for the new blocks, new block types path. 649 00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:23.080 Benji Fisher: So this is 650 00:52:26.140 --> 00:52:27.640 Benji Fisher: something that 651 00:52:28.560 --> 00:52:32.060 Benji Fisher: we changed recently. 652 00:52:32.630 --> 00:52:34.230 Benji Fisher: It's not in any 653 00:52:34.460 --> 00:52:40.319 Benji Fisher: released version of tuple yet, but in the development version. For 10.1 654 00:52:44.120 --> 00:52:45.259 Benji Fisher: we have 655 00:52:46.190 --> 00:52:49.340 Benji Fisher: change things so that the 656 00:52:49.770 --> 00:52:53.190 Benji Fisher: directly under the structure menu in the Admin menu 657 00:52:53.570 --> 00:52:57.320 Benji Fisher: there is now an item for custom block types. 658 00:53:02.230 --> 00:53:08.009 Benji Fisher: and that's the first step of further rearrangements that are going to happen. 659 00:53:08.380 --> 00:53:11.480 Benji Fisher: But what happens if you 660 00:53:11.750 --> 00:53:14.490 Benji Fisher: navigate to the old path 661 00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:15.979 Benji Fisher: which 662 00:53:16.490 --> 00:53:22.780 Benji Fisher: could happen if you have a a bookmark in your browser, or if you've made a shortcut. 663 00:53:23.450 --> 00:53:27.139 Benji Fisher: I mean almost no one seems to use the shortcut module if it's there 664 00:53:27.690 --> 00:53:35.609 Benji Fisher: so currently. If you, if you do, go to the old path, you'll get a page not found error. 665 00:53:38.190 --> 00:53:43.400 Benji Fisher: and this issue is about adding a redirect. And so I've got the 666 00:53:44.560 --> 00:53:49.039 Benji Fisher: I I i'm using the the current patch from the issue. 667 00:53:49.080 --> 00:53:56.249 Benji Fisher: so that instead of getting a page not found, we get redirected to the new page. It's directly under the structure. Menu 668 00:53:56.470 --> 00:53:59.550 Benji Fisher: admin structure, block content, and You've got 669 00:54:00.060 --> 00:54:02.299 Benji Fisher: just the bread crumbs for 670 00:54:02.810 --> 00:54:05.000 admin structure 671 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.160 Benji Fisher: and 672 00:54:07.780 --> 00:54:11.270 Benji Fisher: the current usability question is this warning message. 673 00:54:13.870 --> 00:54:22.959 Benji Fisher: and the current text is the custom block types. Page has moved from the admin structure, block block content types 674 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.919 Benji Fisher: to admin structure, block content. 675 00:54:26.730 --> 00:54:31.669 Benji Fisher: You have been redirected, but this redirect will be removed in a future update 676 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.349 Benji Fisher: update links, shortcuts, and bookmarks to use the current page. 677 00:54:38.710 --> 00:54:47.589 Benji Fisher: And one thing I just noticed while reading that is that it's a little bit awkward to have the word update at the end of one sentence in the beginning of the next sentence. 678 00:54:50.610 --> 00:54:53.170 Benji Fisher: But what do you think about that 679 00:54:54.050 --> 00:54:56.290 Benji Fisher: that message? 680 00:54:57.180 --> 00:54:59.100 Benji Fisher: What can we do to improve it? 681 00:55:07.290 --> 00:55:13.809 Benji Fisher: And I guess the standard usability concerns are one. Does it describe what's happening? 682 00:55:14.560 --> 00:55:19.459 Benji Fisher: 2? Is it actionable? Does it tell you what to do to fix it. 683 00:55:21.670 --> 00:55:24.240 Benji Fisher: and 3 Can we make it shorter? 684 00:55:26.140 --> 00:55:29.990 Benji Fisher: I I believe that the current message is 685 00:55:30.710 --> 00:55:34.480 Benji Fisher: longer than I would like, so I would like to shorten it. 686 00:55:37.930 --> 00:55:40.080 Benji Fisher: so I need any opinions on 687 00:55:40.530 --> 00:55:44.210 Benji Fisher: on how we could shorten it, or or find other ways to improve it. 688 00:55:57.640 --> 00:56:04.149 Quynh Pham: Something like the the custom block page had move, and you get the link. 689 00:56:04.420 --> 00:56:08.240 Quynh Pham: and then you just say, please update the link. 690 00:56:08.370 --> 00:56:11.799 Quynh Pham: shortcut and bookmark using the current page. 691 00:56:14.510 --> 00:56:19.420 Benji Fisher: So you pretty much cut out this middle sentence. Is that what you're suggesting? 692 00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:25.550 Quynh Pham: Right? Because obviously you can see that right? The move from one link to another 693 00:56:25.570 --> 00:56:26.600 Quynh Pham: to the 694 00:56:27.060 --> 00:56:27.930 Quynh Pham: the first 695 00:56:28.390 --> 00:56:33.220 Quynh Pham: path to the second path, so user would know that has been redirect. 696 00:56:37.010 --> 00:56:40.329 Quynh Pham: So the action is just update the link in 697 00:56:40.710 --> 00:56:42.740 Quynh Pham: to provide action. 698 00:56:46.270 --> 00:56:47.270 Benji Fisher: Okay. 699 00:56:47.620 --> 00:56:53.240 Benji Fisher: so do other people agree. Disagree with that change. Should we remove the middle sentence? 700 00:56:55.750 --> 00:56:57.049 Benji Fisher: I guess one 701 00:56:57.310 --> 00:57:00.780 Istvan Szabo: Go ahead. It's fun. Yeah, thank you. So 702 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.319 Istvan Szabo: I believe if 703 00:57:02.350 --> 00:57:06.800 Istvan Szabo: they remove the media section, it's fine or something. 704 00:57:06.820 --> 00:57:11.349 Istvan Szabo: but we need to change the title of the header like. 705 00:57:11.390 --> 00:57:15.149 Istvan Szabo: and the running message is not so informative. So 706 00:57:16.430 --> 00:57:19.650 Istvan Szabo: I think we should put that you have been 707 00:57:19.690 --> 00:57:27.189 Istvan Szabo: redirected text into the header, and it's be more useful and helpful for the user what do you think 708 00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:32.029 Benji Fisher: that's not really an option? The the warning message? 709 00:57:32.510 --> 00:57:39.999 Benji Fisher: This is what you're talking about. Right? Yeah, that that comes from the theme? That's not something we have control over. 710 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:47.150 Benji Fisher: so given that that we can't change that to 711 00:57:47.890 --> 00:57:49.319 Benji Fisher: still want to 712 00:57:49.350 --> 00:57:51.970 Benji Fisher: preserve this message somehow. 713 00:57:55.610 --> 00:57:56.989 like we. 714 00:57:57.250 --> 00:58:03.270 Benji Fisher: we couldn't make instead of removing entirely we could to shorten it and put it at the start. 715 00:58:03.420 --> 00:58:05.240 Benji Fisher: You have been redirected. 716 00:58:10.080 --> 00:58:13.250 Istvan Szabo: Yes, you have been 717 00:58:14.090 --> 00:58:16.290 Istvan Szabo: who directed because 718 00:58:16.900 --> 00:58:18.949 Istvan Szabo: the page has moved from 719 00:58:18.980 --> 00:58:20.939 Istvan Szabo: that, and there to 720 00:58:21.640 --> 00:58:23.509 Istvan Szabo: I mean, that's 721 00:58:24.160 --> 00:58:25.370 Istvan Szabo: the structure. 722 00:58:26.890 --> 00:58:29.149 Istvan Szabo: and it is shorter, I believe. 723 00:58:32.430 --> 00:58:36.659 Benji Fisher: So let me just play with my browser tools a bit, and and look at some 724 00:58:37.150 --> 00:58:38.410 Benji Fisher: options 725 00:58:57.600 --> 00:58:58.740 Benji Fisher: at that. 726 00:59:16.060 --> 00:59:19.259 Benji Fisher: Let's see. How do you like that? It's a little bit shorter. 727 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:27.900 Benji Fisher: The custom block types page has moved from admin structure. Blah! Blah blah! To this new link 728 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:39.199 Benji Fisher: we no longer have the awkward update at the end of one sentence Next, that's right. Update links, shortcuts and bookmarks to use the current page. 729 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:47.450 Benji Fisher: So 730 00:59:50.060 --> 00:59:53.769 Benji Fisher: also one problem is custom. Block types 731 00:59:54.030 --> 00:59:57.409 Benji Fisher: is the title of the current page. But 732 00:59:57.820 --> 01:00:02.269 Benji Fisher: in the old version let me see if I can find a screenshot. 733 01:00:02.680 --> 01:00:05.800 Benji Fisher: I guess it would be on the 734 01:00:06.720 --> 01:00:08.490 Benji Fisher: related issue. 735 01:00:13.470 --> 01:00:16.580 Benji Fisher: It. It used to be a sub-tab 736 01:00:19.560 --> 01:00:21.759 Benji Fisher: and the page title 737 01:00:22.450 --> 01:00:23.720 would be. 738 01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:37.680 Benji Fisher: it would be the block types sub tab on this page. So the block title would be Custom Block Library. So I think it's not really accurate to call it 739 01:00:37.850 --> 01:00:40.069 Benji Fisher: custom block types Page. 740 01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:44.029 Benji Fisher: We could make it really short. 741 01:00:48.890 --> 01:00:50.339 You have been 742 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:51.970 Benji Fisher: redirected 743 01:00:53.910 --> 01:00:54.910 Benji Fisher: from 744 01:01:10.090 --> 01:01:17.060 Benji Fisher: i'm like let's. Let's not tell people where we've been redirected to, because they can see that in their browser. 745 01:01:17.090 --> 01:01:19.520 Istvan Szabo: I guess that's not always true. 746 01:01:19.940 --> 01:01:20.720 Benji Fisher: What's that? 747 01:01:21.220 --> 01:01:22.600 Istvan Szabo: Yeah, that's right. 748 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:30.190 Benji Fisher: I can see it in in my browser, but but some browsers hide that by default. 749 01:01:32.790 --> 01:01:34.950 Benji Fisher: But anyway, this this would be 750 01:01:35.110 --> 01:01:37.500 Benji Fisher: sort of the shortest possible version. 751 01:01:37.910 --> 01:01:40.699 Benji Fisher: You have been redirected from blah blah blah 752 01:01:40.910 --> 01:01:45.240 Benji Fisher: update links, shortcuts and bookmarks to use the current page. 753 01:01:58.670 --> 01:02:06.830 Benji Fisher: And there's also the question of this language prefix since i'm using the demo, the mommy demo profile. I have a multi lingual site. 754 01:02:07.080 --> 01:02:10.750 Benji Fisher: and the path starts with slash en 755 01:02:24.060 --> 01:02:25.989 Benji Fisher: it's like, do we have to tell them what 756 01:02:26.600 --> 01:02:28.799 Benji Fisher: what the current page is 757 01:02:30.330 --> 01:02:33.849 Benji Fisher: when we don't even know whether we should use a language prefix. 758 01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:40.819 Benji Fisher: So it's 759 01:02:41.310 --> 01:02:44.160 Benji Fisher: almost at the top of the hour. 760 01:02:44.730 --> 01:02:48.969 Benji Fisher: So so any quick takes on this. Do you like the shorter version? 761 01:02:50.110 --> 01:02:52.050 Istvan Szabo: Yeah, my! 762 01:02:52.080 --> 01:02:56.230 Benji Fisher: Have I made it too short? Is there important information that's left out? 763 01:02:57.160 --> 01:02:59.839 Quynh Pham: No, you got all the the key 764 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.429 Quynh Pham: good in there, so it is good. 765 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:05.899 Benji Fisher: Should I leave this at all? Given that it 766 01:03:06.660 --> 01:03:13.590 Benji Fisher: it might be inaccurate, since it's missing the language prefix, and they can get it from their their browser bar. 767 01:03:14.490 --> 01:03:16.510 Benji Fisher: Should I leave it out, or should I keep it in 768 01:03:28.650 --> 01:03:33.109 Benji Fisher: all right? No strong opinions, I guess. Okay? Well, Thank you all for coming. Oh, go ahead. 769 01:03:33.300 --> 01:03:34.670 Istvan Szabo: I'm: nothing, nothing. 770 01:03:35.770 --> 01:03:39.900 Istvan Szabo: It's okay. It always depends on the users. Or, yeah, it's 771 01:03:39.950 --> 01:03:45.099 Istvan Szabo: it. It's hard to make an opinion. Maybe don't really know the users. 772 01:03:47.100 --> 01:03:49.350 Istvan Szabo: and if he's by my side. So 773 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:50.029 yeah. 774 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.770 Benji Fisher: okay, Well, thank you all for coming. It is the 775 01:03:58.930 --> 01:04:04.190 Benji Fisher: end of the hour, and I wanted to expect your time, so i'll be here again next week. Hope some of you can make it. 776 01:04:05.190 --> 01:04:07.200 Benji Fisher: and we can always call them on slack. 777 01:04:07.870 --> 01:04:08.949 Istvan Szabo: Yeah, Thank you. 778 01:04:09.310 --> 01:04:11.099 Cristina Chumillas: bye. Thank you. 779 01:04:11.640 --> 01:04:12.229 Bye.