WEBVTT 119 00:12:52.390 --> 00:13:03.260 Benji Fisher: Welcome. This is the Tuple Usability meeting for March tenth, 2,023 i'm Benji Fisher moderating also here our Ralph caller who's sharing his screen, and we'll start off the discussion 120 00:13:03.290 --> 00:13:04.960 Benji Fisher: and aaron mikhail 121 00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:08.170 Benji Fisher: off for shell and females didn't go ahead, Ralph. 122 00:13:09.170 --> 00:13:11.090 Ralf Koller: Okay. 123 00:13:11.700 --> 00:13:21.160 Ralf Koller: we are talking about issue 1975064 at more cranial block permissions, which is one of the child 124 00:13:21.560 --> 00:13:29.360 Ralf Koller: issues in the block, Meta issue, we following over the course of the last few weeks and months. 125 00:13:30.010 --> 00:13:31.900 Ralf Koller: basically 126 00:13:32.500 --> 00:13:33.550 Ralf Koller: as the 127 00:13:34.020 --> 00:13:41.140 Ralf Koller: they are. Title implies, it's about adding more, creating the clock permissions. If we take a look at a current 128 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:43.810 Ralf Koller: installation. 129 00:13:44.560 --> 00:13:55.510 Ralf Koller: but default the custom block section has custom, block delete and block content revisions, edit any block content, revert any block content, revisions and view and block content history pages. 130 00:13:55.800 --> 00:14:01.100 Ralf Koller: and in the block section you have the administered blocks 131 00:14:03.560 --> 00:14:15.140 Ralf Koller: that changes now, and if you take a look now, the block as access block placement, overview page, administer blocks. 132 00:14:15.170 --> 00:14:26.260 Ralf Koller: configure existing block placements, create new block placements, and able and disabled blocks, and remove blocks. and on the custom blocks. 133 00:14:26.330 --> 00:14:32.960 Ralf Koller: Yes, I create new block content, delete, block, content, delete any book contributions. 134 00:14:33.230 --> 00:14:41.950 Ralf Koller: edit and so forth, as well as access. The custom block library page, the atmosphere, block library, and a administer block types. 135 00:14:44.230 --> 00:14:47.140 Ralf Koller: The Rowland 136 00:14:47.180 --> 00:14:51.030 Ralf Koller: ask for a review in this group. 137 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:55.080 Ralf Koller: and he is particularly interested in the micro copy 138 00:14:56.490 --> 00:15:07.680 Ralf Koller: upfront. And as I, as you see, I've already created 2 rows, one for block placement and then one for block placement layout. I 139 00:15:08.510 --> 00:15:14.550 Ralf Koller: all of the issue the last few days already, and there are a few functional points. 140 00:15:14.900 --> 00:15:18.680 Ralf Koller: I wanted to show others 141 00:15:18.690 --> 00:15:27.480 Ralf Koller: as well as in the second part. already made a few observations in regards to the micro copy. 142 00:15:27.780 --> 00:15:30.590 Ralf Koller: In regards of functional. 143 00:15:30.620 --> 00:15:33.280 Ralf Koller: If you take a look at the block 144 00:15:34.860 --> 00:15:42.670 Ralf Koller: library. Oops, it's if you go down. I've made the for custom lock. 145 00:15:44.370 --> 00:15:47.770 Ralf Koller: I made access the custom block library page 146 00:15:48.140 --> 00:15:49.850 Ralf Koller: checked and 147 00:15:50.300 --> 00:15:56.540 Ralf Koller: check the administer block types. And if I go now. so 148 00:15:57.740 --> 00:16:01.080 Ralf Koller: the custom block library. 149 00:16:02.470 --> 00:16:08.160 Ralf Koller: as you can see. Operations column is empty. The button is 150 00:16:09.220 --> 00:16:11.420 Ralf Koller: not visible anymore. 151 00:16:11.850 --> 00:16:16.320 Ralf Koller: A potential fix is already mentioned on 152 00:16:17.010 --> 00:16:26.350 Ralf Koller: on the issue. It's issue 302, 8, 906, and access checks when using output. This field is linked. 153 00:16:27.470 --> 00:16:33.680 Ralf Koller: Oh, no, it's a different one. Sorry I mix it. No, it's it's the one i'm confused. 154 00:16:33.790 --> 00:16:42.610 Ralf Koller: and the other problem is, if you click, for example. the block description of an existing block. You get an access denied. 155 00:16:45.910 --> 00:16:49.910 Ralf Koller: Maybe one fix would be simply by 156 00:16:50.250 --> 00:17:05.810 Ralf Koller: not showing a link in that regard. while what's the other block content, following problems. And if you click on, add a custom block you also get. You must not created any block types yet. 157 00:17:05.890 --> 00:17:18.290 Ralf Koller: even though if you take a look at the previous page. there is a block with an existing block type. so that's one part. 158 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:20.020 Ralf Koller: and 159 00:17:21.450 --> 00:17:24.880 Ralf Koller: then you have the block placement 160 00:17:26.150 --> 00:17:31.430 Ralf Koller: there is only ex checked excess block placement overview page 161 00:17:32.530 --> 00:17:45.550 Ralf Koller: aside that nothing in regards of blocks is activated. and if you go there you still have on the block layouts page the place block. If you click it. 162 00:17:46.190 --> 00:17:49.440 Ralf Koller: the add custom block button isn't shown. 163 00:17:49.510 --> 00:17:53.080 Ralf Koller: but all the place blocks inside the operations 164 00:17:53.260 --> 00:17:57.210 Ralf Koller: column is shown, and if you click it. nothing happens. 165 00:18:01.380 --> 00:18:04.250 Ralf Koller: Additionally, I am. I've created a third 166 00:18:08.310 --> 00:18:12.710 Ralf Koller: to illustrate. If the at custom block option is checked. 167 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.160 Ralf Koller: then you're able. not able 168 00:18:16.340 --> 00:18:20.910 Ralf Koller: to create a block you run into can into the You have not created any block types yet. 169 00:18:21.190 --> 00:18:23.790 Ralf Koller: while place block is the same. 170 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:27.950 Ralf Koller: even though there is the 171 00:18:28.220 --> 00:18:33.030 Ralf Koller: configure existing block placements is unchecked in 172 00:18:33.090 --> 00:18:43.120 Ralf Koller: each of the roles. But you still able, for example, in the Regions column you have to select list, you can go into primary 173 00:18:46.150 --> 00:18:48.140 Ralf Koller: safe. So basically 174 00:18:48.530 --> 00:18:52.020 Ralf Koller: you're editing, editing it. even though you 175 00:18:52.130 --> 00:18:54.090 Ralf Koller: can't access the 176 00:18:54.210 --> 00:19:01.610 Ralf Koller: configuration. 177 00:19:03.530 --> 00:19:07.670 Ralf Koller: Okay, that's the first part. Also wanted to show. 178 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.960 Benji Fisher: So that's 179 00:19:12.990 --> 00:19:19.340 Benji Fisher: make sure everyone understands where we are now. So so one thing I hadn't realized 180 00:19:19.940 --> 00:19:23.050 Benji Fisher: is is that there are there. There are more 181 00:19:24.070 --> 00:19:30.630 Benji Fisher: permissions being proposed in this issue. Then then I remember. So 182 00:19:31.310 --> 00:19:37.690 Benji Fisher: when this issue started, I I think it was just having per block type emissions. 183 00:19:37.780 --> 00:19:40.740 Benji Fisher: and we we've already added. 184 00:19:41.850 --> 00:19:44.840 Benji Fisher: maybe just one per block type, or maybe 2. 185 00:19:50.010 --> 00:19:54.710 Benji Fisher: And and this issue was about creating more 186 00:19:54.780 --> 00:19:56.890 Benji Fisher: permissions per block type. 187 00:19:56.970 --> 00:20:00.620 Benji Fisher: But now apparently, it's also adding 188 00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:06.760 Benji Fisher: some permissions for the block module, not the custom block module, but the block module itself 189 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:12.190 Benji Fisher: for positioning things, and I guess that's aimed at the layout builder. That right. 190 00:20:12.830 --> 00:20:15.340 Ralf Koller: probably. probably. 191 00:20:18.080 --> 00:20:29.580 Benji Fisher: and and some of the things you showed are are just, you know, clear clearly bugs that you know the the new permissions Haven't been worked out. Yet there there used to be this one 192 00:20:31.270 --> 00:20:36.080 Benji Fisher: really powerful permission to administer blocks, and everything was tied to that. 193 00:20:36.310 --> 00:20:45.240 Benji Fisher: And now that we're trying to split that up into binder range permissions. It looks like they haven't worked out 194 00:20:46.060 --> 00:20:46.900 Benji Fisher: right? Yeah. 195 00:20:47.150 --> 00:20:57.620 Benji Fisher: So I I I guess with with the things you showed. I i'm not sure that you need to discuss it. It's just obviously a bug, and and people have to go and think about it some more and work it out. 196 00:21:00.110 --> 00:21:04.410 Benji Fisher: Offer, Aaron. Do you have any questions or comments at this point? 197 00:21:06.840 --> 00:21:18.220 Aaron McHale: No, I would agree. What you said, I think. And we Yeah, some of these so many things about and and things like the operations column, like, I suspect that is also 198 00:21:18.560 --> 00:21:20.620 Aaron McHale: a bug, for across like. 199 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:30.410 Aaron McHale: you know, nodes and media and things. Because this is kind of a standardized interface. I guess I think it's. I think it's, views. It's changing this. So 200 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:31.680 I 201 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:38.620 Aaron McHale: I I I feel like we can. That that's definitely seems like a separate issue, and something that needs to 202 00:21:39.130 --> 00:21:46.250 Aaron McHale: maybe a higher level. Assuming it Isn't: just like impacting the block library. But 203 00:21:46.520 --> 00:21:54.560 Aaron McHale: yeah, I feel like the the difficulty is if this issue tries to touch on more than one core module 204 00:21:54.870 --> 00:21:57.850 Aaron McHale: In this case, block and constant block or content blog 205 00:21:57.950 --> 00:22:05.350 Aaron McHale: It's it's gonna make it harder to get it done. So I feel like definitely the permissions for 206 00:22:05.690 --> 00:22:12.880 Aaron McHale: the block library specific corrections, maybe should be in their own issue. And, as we demonstrated, those are clearly. 207 00:22:13.120 --> 00:22:18.210 Aaron McHale: it looks like not not quite working properly yet. So 208 00:22:18.790 --> 00:22:24.120 Aaron McHale: yeah, there's there's probably some. Maybe it's there's no such a different issue would be better. 209 00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:36.390 Ralf Koller: One brief addition in regards of the global aspect I've reproduced. But I'm not sure in which of my installations 210 00:22:36.470 --> 00:22:44.460 Ralf Koller: try to reproduce the same set up for notes. and there this the same, for example, with the operations column. 211 00:22:44.890 --> 00:22:53.330 Ralf Koller: but in contrast to blocks the add new content block. A new content button is hidden 212 00:22:53.650 --> 00:23:04.790 Ralf Koller: if the person doesn't have the promotions to show to add. But there's in contrast another probably back. Of course. 213 00:23:05.210 --> 00:23:05.890 Ralf Koller: if 214 00:23:06.090 --> 00:23:10.980 Ralf Koller: there are the same permissions for notes, then in the column for content type. 215 00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:13.960 Ralf Koller: it's empty, even though a content 216 00:23:14.150 --> 00:23:17.140 Ralf Koller: is actually shown in a node, so 217 00:23:18.260 --> 00:23:22.030 Ralf Koller: probably more complex and more potential issues there. 218 00:23:26.310 --> 00:23:36.490 Aaron McHale: Yeah. So maybe, you know, in this semester we should just we should focus in on on the wording of the permissions, because everything to me everything else like Yes, there 219 00:23:36.510 --> 00:23:39.880 Aaron McHale: problems but potentially could just be follow up issues. 220 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:44.680 Ralf Koller: Yup. But the question I've brought it up is 221 00:23:45.780 --> 00:23:47.320 Ralf Koller: question to you. 222 00:23:47.660 --> 00:24:03.050 Ralf Koller: Would you agree to for one height, for example, the button here the at custom block, if the permissions Aren't there to remove the link and just show that block description. For example, my first block. If you Don't, have the permission to view it. 223 00:24:03.430 --> 00:24:07.230 Ralf Koller: and in regards of the block layout 224 00:24:07.520 --> 00:24:09.580 Ralf Koller: to hide the place block bottom. 225 00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:17.480 Benji Fisher: Yes, I agree the links should be hidden. If they are not useful. 226 00:24:20.420 --> 00:24:22.600 Benji Fisher: Anyone disagree. 227 00:24:24.730 --> 00:24:28.240 Aaron McHale: No, I I would. I would agree. I just would want those to be 228 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:32.880 Aaron McHale: not to drag this issue along. You know how those 229 00:24:33.110 --> 00:24:36.380 Aaron McHale: done to follow up issues because there 230 00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:41.130 Aaron McHale: the yeah, they're like, obviously bugs. But 231 00:24:41.550 --> 00:24:44.900 Aaron McHale: it it's probably easier to get them fixed 232 00:24:45.010 --> 00:24:56.960 Aaron McHale: because I suspect there's more going on behind the scenes, because you've got like you know, views is playing a role here as well. So we just need to. We just need to make sure that we're we're properly breaking these up into their own bug issues. 233 00:24:59.020 --> 00:25:01.260 Simo Hellsten: Kind of. We set them up so that 234 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:05.020 Simo Hellsten: it like as a kind of blocking issues. 235 00:25:05.270 --> 00:25:18.030 Simo Hellsten: because I think it's a good, not not a good idea to have permissions. And then you are allowed to do. Try to do something that you're not really allowed to do So that's kind of something that should be done before 236 00:25:18.150 --> 00:25:20.740 Simo Hellsten: It's kind of considered finished. 237 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:31.320 Benji Fisher: Okay. So if you wanted to go on and show other 238 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:32.260 Ralf Koller: yeah 239 00:25:35.260 --> 00:25:36.720 Ralf Koller: about the wording. 240 00:25:38.430 --> 00:25:46.560 Ralf Koller: One detail that overlaps with the renaming in the moving the block lay out. 241 00:25:47.370 --> 00:26:00.190 Ralf Koller: Issue a major issue. There's the particular one at last about the micro copy one detail we've talked about before. At the moment you have the section named as Block 242 00:26:01.010 --> 00:26:05.860 Ralf Koller: and Custom block, and there's a clear disconnect and 243 00:26:06.840 --> 00:26:13.440 Ralf Koller: maybe a good idea than something we've thought about already is to rename custom, block to block content 244 00:26:13.620 --> 00:26:23.000 Ralf Koller: that way. It would be in line with the machine name of the block Content module. and both sections would be underneath 245 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:26.670 Ralf Koller: each other, and it would be clearer to understand. 246 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:33.540 Benji Fisher: I believe, that's happening in another issue. 247 00:26:35.010 --> 00:26:39.520 Benji Fisher: and the Maintainer of the lock Content Module are 248 00:26:39.610 --> 00:26:44.350 Benji Fisher: planning to do that, and I think they're targeting 10.1 249 00:26:45.650 --> 00:26:46.960 Benji Fisher: for that change. 250 00:26:47.490 --> 00:26:53.720 Ralf Koller: If i'm not completely wrong, I suppose the following issue. 251 00:26:55.590 --> 00:26:58.900 Aaron McHale: Yeah, it was 252 00:26:59.510 --> 00:27:03.390 Aaron McHale: yeah, that one. I think it's. I think we propose 253 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.950 Aaron McHale: content blocks, if I correct, remember correctly. 254 00:27:09.670 --> 00:27:14.330 Aaron McHale: that's the name rather than block content. although I might be role. 255 00:27:18.030 --> 00:27:19.960 Ralf Koller: I'm not sure any more 256 00:27:21.010 --> 00:27:29.780 Ralf Koller: with block content. It would be closer. The block, the up to the block section, but still there would be the command 257 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:35.860 Ralf Koller: as long as no other contributed module is added. 258 00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:40.500 Ralf Koller: stopping within C. And it's between and adding a new section. 259 00:27:44.090 --> 00:27:46.240 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I I I 260 00:27:48.460 --> 00:27:53.990 Aaron McHale: I feel like if we were to name if we were to rename the the custom block module 261 00:27:54.090 --> 00:27:55.260 Aaron McHale: based on 262 00:27:55.640 --> 00:28:10.370 Aaron McHale: where we would want it to appear on the permissions Page. I I feel like that's maybe not the best part to develop, because then, then, you know, there's a lot of other problems, with the permission page, and maybe how things are order to you. Just. 263 00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:12.570 Aaron McHale: for instance, the fact that, like 264 00:28:12.730 --> 00:28:22.630 Aaron McHale: sometimes the view published content permission, or whatever it's called, is under node. Sometimes it's under system like there's permissions that get scattered around it's. 265 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.410 Aaron McHale: I feel like we're opening a kind of worms there. But 266 00:28:27.050 --> 00:28:30.640 Benji Fisher: okay, the example you just mentioned is the only such example 267 00:28:32.040 --> 00:28:37.060 Aaron McHale: is that I I thought that was other. I okay, maybe about yeah, I think. But there is like. 268 00:28:37.560 --> 00:28:40.180 Aaron McHale: I I feel like there's a lot of situations where 269 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:46.870 Aaron McHale: you know it. The logically the progressions are not next to each other that you would expect. 270 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:54.770 Aaron McHale: Yeah, i'm struggling to think of these other examples. That was the that was the one that popped into my head immediately. But 271 00:28:56.120 --> 00:28:57.890 Aaron McHale: me, I mean. 272 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.500 Aaron McHale: Yeah, maybe maybe I don't have a strong feeling in the way. So. 273 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:10.150 Aaron McHale: but for for this issue I feel like, as I said, we we probably want to just at least sign off on the 274 00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:13.340 Aaron McHale: the custom block permissions. 275 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.580 Aaron McHale: Because I think that's what mainly we need to do here. 276 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:21.490 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I I I agree that the 277 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:27.650 Benji Fisher: where where it shows up on on the permissions page is, is not the 278 00:29:27.790 --> 00:29:29.830 Benji Fisher: primary things to determine 279 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.930 Benji Fisher: how we rename the module. So I agree with Aaron on that. 280 00:29:34.410 --> 00:29:42.270 Benji Fisher: and I think the page is sorted by the translated module name. 281 00:29:42.870 --> 00:29:44.000 Benji Fisher: So 282 00:29:45.150 --> 00:29:46.700 Benji Fisher: even if we. 283 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.960 Benji Fisher: you know, make them very similar. 284 00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:55.630 Benji Fisher: or or close to each other alphabetically in in English. That's not necessarily going to be 285 00:29:55.810 --> 00:29:59.020 Benji Fisher: what other users, not English speaking users say. 286 00:30:09.410 --> 00:30:16.130 Ralf Koller: okay, then the next point would be access block placement overview page 287 00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:18.540 Ralf Koller: that refers to the 288 00:30:19.180 --> 00:30:22.360 Ralf Koller: H. That is currently named block layout. 289 00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:23.980 Ralf Koller: and 290 00:30:25.170 --> 00:30:31.480 Ralf Koller: it should be just consistent, and an agreement should be found at, and for one 291 00:30:31.610 --> 00:30:43.130 Ralf Koller: overview I would remove anyway. But aside that if it should be kept a block layout, or it should be change to block placement which is used, for example, on the 292 00:30:45.570 --> 00:30:49.050 Ralf Koller: help page on block layout 293 00:30:49.260 --> 00:30:53.400 Ralf Koller: on the hell pitch, am I on the head text? Oh, don't have the permit. 294 00:30:58.350 --> 00:30:59.380 Ralf Koller: There are. 295 00:31:01.310 --> 00:31:09.290 Ralf Koller: Yeah. for example, they have Texas log placement is specific to each theme, even though it's called block layout. 296 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:16.390 Ralf Koller: and the idea was, maybe, or suggestion also to change it, to block placement 297 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.010 Ralf Koller: from block to lay out. 298 00:31:20.570 --> 00:31:25.510 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, I think, since it's a different pages, I think we should use their plural 299 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:26.660 Simo Hellsten: to 300 00:31:26.780 --> 00:31:30.410 Simo Hellsten: to note that it's not only a single page. 301 00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:37.360 Simo Hellsten: So if there are multiple themes, so if then that affects all the themes, so there are several 302 00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:42.030 Simo Hellsten: different pages. But I I think, yeah, that's probably 303 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.920 Simo Hellsten: first, the that the text is probably 304 00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:49.420 Simo Hellsten: imitating access to the content over your page. 305 00:31:49.550 --> 00:31:52.890 Simo Hellsten: But that's a kind of a totally different 306 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:05.070 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I would say, we should just say access to block layout. because that's what we call it like. That's the page you go to right now, at least. 307 00:32:07.840 --> 00:32:13.090 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I I agree that it should match the page title, which is currently block layout. 308 00:32:13.820 --> 00:32:15.060 Benji Fisher: and 309 00:32:15.300 --> 00:32:19.670 Benji Fisher: I'm: I don't feel strongly about whether it be page or pages. 310 00:32:22.020 --> 00:32:32.360 Benji Fisher: you could think of it as 2 separate tabs on the same page. So that's an argument for calling it a page. Of course, if you look at the in the 311 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:39.990 Benji Fisher: browser address, bar, it changes spending on which theme you're looking at, so that's an argument for laurel. 312 00:32:41.750 --> 00:32:43.440 Benji Fisher: so I I could go either way on that. 313 00:32:45.970 --> 00:32:56.240 Aaron McHale: and also not I'm also not sure what some of the other permission Names like the one that just this enable slash to seal blocks or remove blocks, I think, are 314 00:32:57.460 --> 00:32:58.410 Aaron McHale: kind of 315 00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:03.100 Aaron McHale: a bit ambiguous in terms of what They' actually to 316 00:33:08.360 --> 00:33:16.810 Aaron McHale: like. If I, if you don't have the what it what is enable Such disabled blocks, I mean, like that could mean a lot of different things. 317 00:33:25.230 --> 00:33:27.730 Ralf Koller: It is meant on the block layout page 318 00:33:28.850 --> 00:33:30.740 Ralf Koller: remove disable 319 00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:32.280 Ralf Koller: or enable. 320 00:33:35.020 --> 00:33:43.360 Aaron McHale: Right? I Yeah, I I say that then that permission name probably to be clear 321 00:33:44.670 --> 00:33:45.930 Aaron McHale: in that case. 322 00:33:48.630 --> 00:33:56.520 Aaron McHale: But I again, I also I come back to the point where I mean it was fight for us to discuss it here. But I would still only suggest that 323 00:33:56.590 --> 00:34:14.810 Aaron McHale: these permissions be done in a different issue, because we we're talking about 2 different modules here in core. And so I I think again, they they have 2 different sets of maintainers. Right? So we need 2 separate issues here. Basically for these permissions. I don't think we can do that 324 00:34:14.980 --> 00:34:16.139 a single issue. 325 00:34:17.300 --> 00:34:18.510 Benji Fisher: I agree with that. 326 00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:35.639 Aaron McHale: because i'll also like these permissions could be. I'll take a lot more work versus the other ones. The the block content ones are pretty much following the same pattern. It looks like that we use for other modules so that could get done a lot quicker, I think. 327 00:34:53.300 --> 00:34:57.980 Benji Fisher: But we we can just still discuss what the permission names should be. 328 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:03.720 Benji Fisher: even if we're recommending that we move them to a new issue. 329 00:35:03.950 --> 00:35:06.370 Aaron McHale: Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, we can. 330 00:35:06.490 --> 00:35:09.580 Aaron McHale: because it we can at least start that issue on the right foot. 331 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:16.020 Aaron McHale: One day I'll just know. And again, this is this is for just for our own 332 00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:22.030 Aaron McHale: memory, but like there's permission to access the to simple library page. 333 00:35:23.680 --> 00:35:28.820 Aaron McHale: I guess that could just be access access to the Customer library. I don't know if it needs to 334 00:35:29.220 --> 00:35:42.750 Aaron McHale: needs the word page, but because then below you have administered block library. So there maybe needs to be some consistency there between those 2 Russians. 335 00:35:43.490 --> 00:35:46.700 Simo Hellsten: How does that work, like, if you're all out to 336 00:35:46.790 --> 00:35:49.110 Simo Hellsten: invented or reference 337 00:35:49.660 --> 00:35:54.920 Simo Hellsten: custom blocks. So let's say, yeah, as a from a like creating a node. 338 00:35:54.970 --> 00:35:59.660 Simo Hellsten: are you allowed to reference custom blocks Without that 339 00:36:04.630 --> 00:36:06.480 Benji Fisher: you're asking Sima. 340 00:36:06.950 --> 00:36:09.780 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. So if it's 341 00:36:10.140 --> 00:36:13.660 Simo Hellsten: like, if it's the library. 342 00:36:14.080 --> 00:36:26.460 Simo Hellsten: that's the permission is for the library page, or is it like. If we think about the custom block library as a kind of a list of custom blocks that can be referenced. 343 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:30.510 Ralf Koller: it refers to that one. The that page. 344 00:36:30.700 --> 00:36:35.510 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. So it's not like. Yeah. So 345 00:36:36.860 --> 00:36:47.750 Simo Hellsten: this page is called the library, and it's not that like content with this page, so we could use. We we would see them in different kind of views and stuff like that. Yeah, okay. 346 00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:57.010 Benji Fisher: yeah. We we moved to word library from the page title at the same time we should have updated the permission. 347 00:37:02.380 --> 00:37:04.160 Aaron McHale: What do we use for Node? 348 00:37:08.070 --> 00:37:10.300 Benji Fisher: I think that's for content overview. 349 00:37:10.590 --> 00:37:11.220 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. 350 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.530 Aaron McHale: So 351 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:16.980 Ralf Koller: second. 352 00:37:19.230 --> 00:37:22.790 Ralf Koller: administer content and administer content types. 353 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.640 Aaron McHale: Oh, and then, yeah, access. So access the content over the page. So 354 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:35.490 Aaron McHale: I will be the best. But yeah, I I, for for the sake of consistency. I'm leaning towards using, you know. 355 00:37:35.600 --> 00:37:41.020 Aaron McHale: Yeah, this you know, using the same pattern that node uses which. like our I guess we are 356 00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:46.230 Aaron McHale: the access the something overview page. That that is what it says. Isn't it? 357 00:37:46.540 --> 00:37:47.110 Yeah. 358 00:37:47.860 --> 00:37:50.080 Aaron McHale: Then? 359 00:37:50.860 --> 00:37:57.110 Aaron McHale: Yeah. I yeah. sorry. Could you scroll back up again to block content. 360 00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:03.590 Aaron McHale: So I mean on the permissions list. 361 00:38:04.240 --> 00:38:05.290 Ralf Koller: Oops: Sorry. 362 00:38:07.110 --> 00:38:07.850 Ralf Koller: Rock. 363 00:38:08.570 --> 00:38:12.080 Aaron McHale: Yeah. Not content. So go down a bit. 364 00:38:13.070 --> 00:38:17.390 Aaron McHale: Sorry custom blocks. I'm doing it. Okay. So 365 00:38:18.620 --> 00:38:23.070 Aaron McHale: there we go access the custom block library page. 366 00:38:25.660 --> 00:38:31.060 Benji Fisher: If you search that page for overview, you'll see file overview media overview. 367 00:38:31.690 --> 00:38:33.850 Benji Fisher: I think, content overview. 368 00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:39.040 Aaron McHale: So maybe that just needs to be access. The custom block overview page 369 00:38:43.160 --> 00:38:46.750 Ralf Koller: in regards of the naming of the title 370 00:38:53.330 --> 00:39:00.370 Ralf Koller: on triple.org suggested. Maybe it would make sense to just name it blocks. 371 00:39:02.640 --> 00:39:03.950 Ralf Koller: That's something. 372 00:39:05.140 --> 00:39:06.290 Ralf Koller: People 373 00:39:07.750 --> 00:39:13.120 Ralf Koller: when we've presented, or at least when I've presented, always 374 00:39:14.600 --> 00:39:19.280 Ralf Koller: resonated the most, because if it's custom, block block or 375 00:39:19.350 --> 00:39:20.350 Ralf Koller: whatever 376 00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:23.310 Ralf Koller: just locks. And yeah. 377 00:39:24.130 --> 00:39:25.910 Ralf Koller: it's mass grave also said 378 00:39:26.310 --> 00:39:28.740 Ralf Koller: we, we don't know yet what 379 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:37.640 Ralf Koller: type of blocks will be displayed in a future version there, and maybe going with just blocks might be 380 00:39:40.770 --> 00:39:43.480 Ralf Koller: the right choice instead of custom. 381 00:39:43.770 --> 00:39:44.360 Ralf Koller: What's the 382 00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:47.980 Ralf Koller: what custom means actually, for a user 383 00:39:51.340 --> 00:39:54.620 Simo Hellsten: I think it needs to have some kind of a 384 00:39:56.970 --> 00:40:01.140 Simo Hellsten: additional thing there. I think, because 385 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.670 Simo Hellsten: it's a I think 386 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:12.190 Simo Hellsten: well more content than we can talk. But if it would be book content or contact box. Then we would think that 387 00:40:12.220 --> 00:40:17.250 Simo Hellsten: should they also be listed in quantum. So that's kind of a thing. But yeah, but 388 00:40:17.600 --> 00:40:21.900 Simo Hellsten: it's kind of a some something to kind of help 389 00:40:22.230 --> 00:40:33.320 Simo Hellsten: to distinguish that this is only the blocks that are in that database, not the blocks that are in the configuration was like views, blocks, or stuff like that, or in the 390 00:40:33.550 --> 00:40:38.010 Simo Hellsten: so. So they're kind of a. There are so many different kinds blocks. 391 00:40:39.600 --> 00:40:45.360 Simo Hellsten: So that's kind of a I think we do need something to remind. 392 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.830 Simo Hellsten: or uses that this is the ones that are in the database. 393 00:40:59.570 --> 00:41:03.700 Aaron McHale: Well, right right now we call them custom blocks. 394 00:41:04.340 --> 00:41:05.170 Aaron McHale: So 395 00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:10.120 Aaron McHale: in the interest of consistency, we should. That's what we should be using the permissions page. 396 00:41:10.700 --> 00:41:11.740 Aaron McHale: however 397 00:41:12.270 --> 00:41:12.930 Simo Hellsten: good. 398 00:41:13.180 --> 00:41:17.940 Aaron McHale: Hopefully, By the time 10 dot one comes around we will have renamed 399 00:41:18.560 --> 00:41:31.550 Aaron McHale: those to something else. So I guess the question is. do we? And I hate i'm going to suggest this. But who we postpone that issue on the renaming issue 400 00:41:34.050 --> 00:41:40.110 Aaron McHale: until we know exactly what they're gonna be called going forward, and then we can get the permissions. 401 00:41:40.130 --> 00:41:42.990 Aaron McHale: I curate. or do we 402 00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:54.510 Aaron McHale: get this issue done with whatever there with with them being called custom lots right now and then. in a later issue, or the or the the renaming issue. We change the any of the permissions. 403 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:03.460 Simo Hellsten: Can we use some arrival there so that he it's kind of just changing from one place 404 00:42:04.470 --> 00:42:06.050 Simo Hellsten: would be so much easier. 405 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:11.730 Benji Fisher: I don't know that we can do that. I I think we should 406 00:42:12.040 --> 00:42:15.430 Benji Fisher: mark the issues that's related to each other, and not 407 00:42:15.710 --> 00:42:18.600 Benji Fisher: trying to decide which one should be done first. 408 00:42:19.720 --> 00:42:25.060 Benji Fisher: Whichever one is done first, the other one will need to be updated. 409 00:42:25.070 --> 00:42:29.320 Benji Fisher: Oh, and i'd like to point out that Antonia has joined us. Thanks for for coming. 410 00:42:31.900 --> 00:42:33.820 Antoniya: Hello! Nice to see you all. 411 00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:35.220 Aaron McHale: Hello. 412 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.130 Ralf Koller: all right. 413 00:42:39.500 --> 00:42:40.300 Aaron McHale: So 414 00:42:42.040 --> 00:42:47.240 Aaron McHale: i'm not hearing any of Well, i'm not hearing any objections to the idea that we should be consistent. 415 00:42:49.310 --> 00:42:52.000 Aaron McHale: and maybe that's what we can like. I'm, you know. 416 00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:54.520 Maybe maybe that's what we recommend is that 417 00:42:56.140 --> 00:43:00.320 Aaron McHale: that permission. Names should be consistent with what we use 418 00:43:01.670 --> 00:43:02.920 in other places 419 00:43:05.380 --> 00:43:22.230 Aaron McHale: cause the yeah for that specific provision like the right in that patch? It says, what does it say access, custom, block, library, or something? But that's not what we call it in. No, we we just call it custom blocks so like it should be access custom blocks, overview page. 420 00:43:28.870 --> 00:43:30.890 Benji Fisher: Yes, we we should. 421 00:43:31.710 --> 00:43:34.670 Benji Fisher: We should no longer use library here in that permission name. 422 00:43:35.790 --> 00:43:39.060 Benji Fisher: We. We should have fixed that on on the previous issue. 423 00:43:42.890 --> 00:43:44.050 Aaron McHale: I think this is. An 424 00:43:44.080 --> 00:43:46.290 Aaron McHale: is this a new permission, though? As well? 425 00:43:46.540 --> 00:43:52.230 Ralf Koller: Yeah. Okay. 1 s, I have too many taps. Open 426 00:43:54.410 --> 00:43:55.290 there 427 00:43:55.790 --> 00:43:57.400 Ralf Koller: permissions Again. 428 00:44:04.080 --> 00:44:06.160 Ralf Koller: there is. Yeah, it is 429 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.170 Ralf Koller: that are the permissions 430 00:44:09.810 --> 00:44:12.290 Ralf Koller: you had without the patch applied 431 00:44:14.380 --> 00:44:15.020 Benji Fisher: Right? 432 00:44:17.570 --> 00:44:25.450 Benji Fisher: Oh, okay, so it's it's a new permission. So it's not something that we do to fix previously. It's something that should be fixed in this issue. 433 00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.170 Ralf Koller: So basically 434 00:44:30.180 --> 00:44:33.020 Ralf Koller: I like Aaron's second suggestion. 435 00:44:33.190 --> 00:44:35.050 Ralf Koller: I recommend at the moment 436 00:44:35.110 --> 00:44:43.060 Ralf Koller: to get the permissions in line with the current terminology, and then make the changes in the rename cast and block terminology in the Ui 437 00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:44.280 Ralf Koller: issue. 438 00:44:45.060 --> 00:44:53.410 Aaron McHale: Yeah, and that also applies to one directly. Blow it, Minister Block by B. So that should be administer custom blocks. 439 00:44:59.530 --> 00:45:05.370 Aaron McHale: And then I mean advanced to block types. That's fine, because we we now just call them block types in 440 00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:07.020 Aaron McHale: in the Ui Yay. 441 00:45:07.190 --> 00:45:08.610 Aaron McHale: We did something 442 00:45:18.540 --> 00:45:19.300 Okay. 443 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.150 Ralf Koller: access the custom block 444 00:45:22.100 --> 00:45:26.930 Ralf Koller: overview page. It's the first and the other is administer custom 445 00:45:27.250 --> 00:45:28.030 Ralf Koller: blocks. 446 00:45:28.690 --> 00:45:35.690 Aaron McHale: Yeah. actually, do we just call them block types, or do we call them custom block types? I I don't remember 447 00:45:40.630 --> 00:45:43.930 Benji Fisher: in the structure menu we have custom block types. 448 00:45:44.530 --> 00:45:49.680 Aaron McHale: Okay. Yeah, They: okay, we should. That's what we should call that one. Then. 449 00:45:49.690 --> 00:45:54.610 Aaron McHale: yeah, as I think that's another thing that we part of that ring, possibly part of that renaming issue. 450 00:45:54.640 --> 00:45:58.990 Aaron McHale: If we go with like. If we go with content blocks, then it would be content, block types. 451 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.230 Benji Fisher: and that Simo says it would be convenient if we had 452 00:46:08.780 --> 00:46:14.510 Benji Fisher: an easy way to make them automatically manage. But I I don't think we do 453 00:46:18.330 --> 00:46:27.490 Aaron McHale: some for some of them. just for context. So, for instance, the the par type permissions like the ones you see there, the for instance 454 00:46:27.550 --> 00:46:39.490 Aaron McHale: basic block, you know, create editively. Those are actually generated permissions. So they do. They will match like if you change the name. I'm pretty sure if you change the name of that. 455 00:46:40.350 --> 00:46:48.400 Aaron McHale: You know basic block that permission should update. But those are the ones are are not generated, so they're kind of statically there. 456 00:46:57.420 --> 00:47:04.750 Benji Fisher: Yes, they they the part before the call one the basic block. That that is the Conf, the name from a configuration. 457 00:47:04.990 --> 00:47:07.130 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 458 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.610 Simo Hellsten: But this is that view any book content. He's 459 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:23.210 Simo Hellsten: the same as view regions with notes. 460 00:47:25.340 --> 00:47:28.120 Simo Hellsten: You any book content? History pages 461 00:47:31.910 --> 00:47:32.990 Benji Fisher: good question. 462 00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:42.480 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, because I was just just comparing those with like what we say with notes. So 463 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:56.980 Ralf Koller: there's nothing but through the this history in notes. 464 00:47:59.540 --> 00:48:03.820 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, I was thinking that what would that mean? Revisions? 465 00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:10.640 Aaron McHale: Oh, article View Revisions, I think, is the one or basic. Well, you revisions. 466 00:48:14.230 --> 00:48:15.770 Aaron McHale: I think that's the equivalent. 467 00:48:17.540 --> 00:48:18.240 Ralf Koller: Yep. 468 00:48:19.110 --> 00:48:21.860 Ralf Koller: Yeah. And there's also to be dated. 469 00:48:21.970 --> 00:48:32.750 Aaron McHale: Is that introduced by this issue. I'm. Also mindful that we just committed an issue that I did the revision Ui. So i'm not sure if that was in a different issue, or that's in this issue. 470 00:48:43.910 --> 00:48:49.880 Aaron McHale: Do you have the other? You had to. You had a site with a patch here, and it was before there already. 471 00:48:50.980 --> 00:48:55.810 Ralf Koller: You any content History Page. So that pattern was already there. 472 00:48:56.250 --> 00:48:59.390 Aaron McHale: Yeah. So I think that's a something. Maybe. 473 00:49:02.950 --> 00:49:08.620 Aaron McHale: Well, yeah, we could recommend that as a change. I don't know if that needs to be done on a separate issue, though, because 474 00:49:08.890 --> 00:49:13.420 Aaron McHale: that's so coming. That might be coming from the generic provision. Ui. So 475 00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:15.280 Aaron McHale: that will. 476 00:49:15.970 --> 00:49:19.060 Aaron McHale: yeah, maybe one to say on the issue. And we can see 477 00:49:22.030 --> 00:49:25.630 Ralf Koller: basically Oops. I paste it in a chat. 478 00:49:43.230 --> 00:49:44.240 Ralf Koller: Is that correct? 479 00:49:46.690 --> 00:49:49.470 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. I think so? 480 00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:59.960 Aaron McHale: I think so. What is what is the node again? Does it have the word any, or is it just like? 481 00:50:02.430 --> 00:50:04.730 Aaron McHale: Oh, no, it just says view revisions. 482 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:06.300 Simo Hellsten: Oh, yeah, oh, indeed. 483 00:50:06.750 --> 00:50:08.310 Aaron McHale: it's a 484 00:50:11.180 --> 00:50:19.190 Aaron McHale: Oh, so it is. Okay. So they all. They're just like article Edit: any content basic look at any content. 485 00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:21.570 Ralf Koller: only for edit. 486 00:50:21.750 --> 00:50:24.460 Ralf Koller: It's any. No. 487 00:50:24.910 --> 00:50:27.010 Aaron McHale: so there's any 488 00:50:28.190 --> 00:50:31.550 Aaron McHale: for, and then you start the 489 00:50:35.410 --> 00:50:37.420 Aaron McHale: and what it what is custom block again. 490 00:50:44.160 --> 00:50:47.690 Aaron McHale: Oh, it it is it is the same. It's just because 491 00:50:48.870 --> 00:50:51.640 Aaron McHale: it's longer. That's just throw me off. It's saying. 492 00:50:55.040 --> 00:50:56.870 Aaron McHale: Okay, that's fine. Yeah. 493 00:51:04.010 --> 00:51:12.290 Benji Fisher: So it looks as though there are 2 separate permissions here to view a revision and view the list of provisions. 494 00:51:12.690 --> 00:51:17.970 Benji Fisher: and the list of revisions is called the Content History pages. Am I reading that? Right? 495 00:51:25.820 --> 00:51:26.830 Aaron McHale: I 496 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:27.940 Ralf Koller: Hmm. 497 00:51:28.740 --> 00:51:30.520 Aaron McHale: But I don't remember. 498 00:51:30.980 --> 00:51:34.930 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, I think it's a reverting and viewing 499 00:51:35.560 --> 00:51:38.390 Simo Hellsten: locations. All that permissions. 500 00:51:40.890 --> 00:51:43.280 Aaron McHale: Are you talking about on Node Benji? 501 00:51:45.010 --> 00:51:56.130 Benji Fisher: No, I've been talking about blocks. So actually no, I I'm. I'm wrong. There's there is not a permission. Labeled View Revisions. 502 00:51:56.230 --> 00:51:56.820 Ralf Koller: No. 503 00:52:03.350 --> 00:52:07.710 Antoniya: The part with the history of pages is really confusing to me 504 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:19.480 Antoniya: because an an experienced user they they might think. Okay, maybe this is somehow related to the history module that's in core. is it? Is it not like? I know 505 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:21.380 Antoniya: It's kind of 506 00:52:22.550 --> 00:52:26.410 Antoniya: it looks weird when everything else has provisions. 507 00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:28.680 Benji Fisher: I agree. 508 00:52:29.290 --> 00:52:34.270 Aaron McHale: Yeah, we should be using the terminology that consistently across the Ui. 509 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:59.170 Benji Fisher: So so node Module has a view, revisions, permission for each content type. 510 00:53:06.330 --> 00:53:15.670 Benji Fisher: and I I think the any should only be there if there is a corresponding oh. information. 511 00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:23.260 Benji Fisher: So I I don't see the the only permissions. So I would just strike the any. 512 00:53:25.220 --> 00:53:26.610 Benji Fisher: And then, instead of 513 00:53:26.730 --> 00:53:32.490 Benji Fisher: content, history pages just you revisions consistently. It's just 514 00:53:34.590 --> 00:53:35.520 Aaron McHale: I agree. 515 00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:53.120 Ralf Koller: Those would be the changes for the custom block. and 516 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.570 Ralf Koller: anything else for those 517 00:53:56.450 --> 00:53:57.330 Ralf Koller: strike 518 00:53:58.860 --> 00:53:59.950 Ralf Koller: into the I. 519 00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:12.550 Aaron McHale: Could you sorry. Would you mind posting all of your notes in the chat, because that's actually quite helpful. The one you posted is quite helpful. But 520 00:54:13.640 --> 00:54:15.010 Aaron McHale: what's what I 521 00:54:15.240 --> 00:54:17.240 Ralf Koller: I try paste 522 00:54:17.630 --> 00:54:33.060 Aaron McHale: just the you've been taking notes right? I've understood Node with D. Sorry. Sorry I Still, I I should say I've had a bit of a through through cold recently. So my voice is still a wee bit 523 00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:34.110 Aaron McHale: you the off. 524 00:55:02.220 --> 00:55:09.320 Simo Hellsten: if for for me that with the administrative block types, the last sentence. It kind of fuse 525 00:55:09.860 --> 00:55:12.840 Simo Hellsten: very complicated. It's kind of. I feel it has 526 00:55:13.070 --> 00:55:14.570 Simo Hellsten: too many words 527 00:55:19.770 --> 00:55:20.920 Ralf Koller: which sentence 528 00:55:21.110 --> 00:55:26.880 Simo Hellsten: in under the warning on under block types 529 00:55:28.690 --> 00:55:35.980 Ralf Koller: that one maintain the block types of block content available in the fields that are associated with those that you? 530 00:55:38.910 --> 00:55:42.080 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, I I think. Yeah, it's actually just copies 531 00:55:42.390 --> 00:55:45.700 Simo Hellsten: what you said with for notes. So I guess. 532 00:55:50.060 --> 00:56:06.920 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I I think, like th. The descriptions are definitely one of those things for permissions that we could we could review more holistically to ensure like if we were recommending a change like that, we could recommend it across all from, because it's good to have that consistency. 533 00:56:07.210 --> 00:56:07.810 Simo Hellsten: Hmm. 534 00:56:11.500 --> 00:56:22.440 Simo Hellsten: One of the things it does, it need to say, maintain the block types of block content, or meant, or would be enough to say, maintain the types of block content. 535 00:56:27.250 --> 00:56:32.770 Aaron McHale: So we we would have cost. We would have administer custom block types 536 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:41.650 Aaron McHale: in the in the permission name. Still, we possibly don't need to repeat that in the description 537 00:56:48.430 --> 00:56:51.770 Simo Hellsten: with notes it says, maintain the types of content. 538 00:56:53.650 --> 00:56:54.450 Ralf Koller: Oh. 539 00:56:55.090 --> 00:56:57.550 Simo Hellsten: it would be 540 00:56:58.270 --> 00:56:59.120 Ralf Koller: let me. 541 00:57:05.080 --> 00:57:05.810 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 542 00:57:11.590 --> 00:57:12.320 Aaron McHale: And 543 00:57:12.650 --> 00:57:16.430 Aaron McHale: I noticed both the the description above for 544 00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:20.990 Aaron McHale: yeah. plus Minister of Law Library also uses the time 545 00:57:22.050 --> 00:57:23.440 Aaron McHale: block content. 546 00:57:26.860 --> 00:57:29.790 Aaron McHale: In fact, a lot of the permissions actually do as well. 547 00:57:33.860 --> 00:57:34.460 Ralf Koller: Yep. 548 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:35.840 Simo Hellsten: I think. 549 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:40.670 Simo Hellsten: is that somehow related to the thing that it says in the other place 550 00:57:40.680 --> 00:57:47.200 Simo Hellsten: it was talking about placement. So it is. I wonder if that's meant to be in contrast to placement. 551 00:57:47.470 --> 00:57:49.890 Simo Hellsten: different permissions for content. 552 00:57:53.970 --> 00:57:54.730 Aaron McHale: Hmm. 553 00:58:03.130 --> 00:58:12.200 Aaron McHale: Ralph. Did you note down? Because there's the access custom block library page? But we, I think we agreed that to rename that one as well. 554 00:58:16.020 --> 00:58:17.820 Aaron McHale: it's a third from the bottom. 555 00:58:19.410 --> 00:58:25.550 Ralf Koller: that one here I've already pasted it. Access the custom block library page access the custom block over the page. 556 00:58:26.220 --> 00:58:30.040 Aaron McHale: Oh, sorry. I hadn't noticed 557 00:58:31.530 --> 00:58:33.110 Ralf Koller: that one I replaced. 558 00:58:36.090 --> 00:58:37.600 Aaron McHale: Yeah. that's good. 559 00:58:40.470 --> 00:58:42.810 Ralf Koller: But still, in regards of 560 00:58:43.220 --> 00:58:47.960 Ralf Koller: the term block content in the labels as well is in 561 00:58:52.070 --> 00:58:58.070 Ralf Koller: No, yeah. And and one out of 2 descriptions 562 00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:04.980 Ralf Koller: in contrast to the section, custom block it's also sort of inconsistent when. 563 00:59:08.940 --> 00:59:10.900 Aaron McHale: yeah, I agree we should. 564 00:59:11.370 --> 00:59:17.220 Aaron McHale: We should. Those should be consistent as well. So, instead of what content it should say 565 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:19.920 Aaron McHale: that custom block, because also like 566 00:59:20.300 --> 00:59:24.870 Aaron McHale: looking at the one i'm looking at basic blog edit any block content. 567 00:59:25.310 --> 00:59:28.970 Aaron McHale: I feel like it doesn't read as well as edit, any custom blog. 568 00:59:49.140 --> 00:59:51.150 Ralf Koller: I just paste the 569 00:59:52.850 --> 00:59:56.270 Ralf Koller: first example because the rest of us 570 00:59:56.750 --> 00:59:57.620 Ralf Koller: on a look 571 00:59:59.620 --> 01:00:04.460 Ralf Koller: basic block create new block content to basic block creates new custom block. 572 01:00:05.350 --> 01:00:06.090 Benji Fisher: Yes. 573 01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:08.160 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 574 01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:20.400 Ralf Koller: And for the access, the custom block library page, which is currently called the description, get an overview of all custom blocks. That is okay. 575 01:00:21.220 --> 01:00:23.290 Ralf Koller: But for 576 01:00:24.770 --> 01:00:30.720 Ralf Koller: the administer block types. The descriptions maintain the block types of block content 577 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.160 Benji Fisher: that should also be custom bucks. 578 01:00:34.700 --> 01:00:36.020 Ralf Koller: But 579 01:00:36.050 --> 01:00:38.180 we have the creed on a 580 01:00:40.570 --> 01:00:47.670 Ralf Koller: updated version, because a seamless set it's. Should we go with the maintain the types of custom blocks available? 581 01:00:49.350 --> 01:00:50.530 Ralf Koller: But yes. 582 01:00:51.700 --> 01:00:52.460 Ralf Koller: okay. 583 01:00:53.020 --> 01:00:57.780 Aaron McHale: But and and the including. But continuing to the last part 584 01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:01.150 Simo Hellsten: without changes. So not just yeah, so. 585 01:01:01.350 --> 01:01:08.500 Simo Hellsten: But the fields associated. those types also included. I just didn't type that in 586 01:01:09.010 --> 01:01:14.230 Benji Fisher: yeah, you use the same description as the corresponding permission. And you know, module 587 01:01:14.310 --> 01:01:17.410 Benji Fisher: or just replace content with custom block. 588 01:01:23.550 --> 01:01:27.170 Aaron McHale: if it's basically a summary of our view, just do what note does 589 01:01:29.460 --> 01:01:34.860 Ralf Koller: basically maintain the type of custom books available in the fields that are associated with those types as a description. 590 01:01:36.460 --> 01:01:46.060 Benji Fisher: Well, the other part of the summary is Don't. Change the phrase custom, block to block content until the other issue 591 01:01:46.650 --> 01:01:48.690 Benji Fisher: is is is fixed. 592 01:01:49.090 --> 01:01:49.880 Aaron McHale: Yes. 593 01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:59.660 Aaron McHale: we may want to block the other. I'm. I'm comfortable person with blocking the other issue on on this one. 594 01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:01.920 Aaron McHale: because it it's, you know. 595 01:02:03.160 --> 01:02:07.790 Aaron McHale: like we may as well get everything in and then make the change and 596 01:02:08.050 --> 01:02:09.150 Aaron McHale: all in one 597 01:02:09.850 --> 01:02:10.410 Ralf Koller: yup. 598 01:02:11.620 --> 01:02:17.160 Ralf Koller: and it was the idea of the Rename custom, block terminology issue in the first place. 599 01:02:17.430 --> 01:02:26.780 Ralf Koller: to make it in one place and Don't get into in consistently inconsistency troubles. Otherwise. 600 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.030 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 601 01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.250 Ralf Koller: okay, we have a little more than 5 min. 602 01:02:39.750 --> 01:02:44.180 Benji Fisher: So can anyone summarize what our recommendations are here. 603 01:02:46.730 --> 01:02:51.760 Benji Fisher: and Robin I'm. Assuming that You' you've been taking notes, You'll leave a comment on the issue. 604 01:02:52.620 --> 01:02:53.200 Ralf Koller: Yep. 605 01:02:58.210 --> 01:03:02.250 Benji Fisher: We did summarize just a few minutes ago. Go ahead, Aaron. 606 01:03:02.810 --> 01:03:07.030 Aaron McHale: Well, I was gonna say it's not like we're looking at it right now. So I think we. 607 01:03:07.230 --> 01:03:22.130 Aaron McHale: I think we said earlier as well that these these permissions should be brought like while they're while I think they're useful. We agree that there's more work to be done in them, but that should be done in a separate issue, because it is a separate core module. So we should. We should provide a 608 01:03:22.130 --> 01:03:28.920 Aaron McHale: and also it would, it would, you know, not having to do those in the block. Custom blog issue would really speed up the custom block issue 609 01:03:31.970 --> 01:03:36.130 Benji Fisher: right just for for so control. We we should not be adding these block there. 610 01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:45.920 Ralf Koller: please, a chest to recommend to split up the patch. 611 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:48.770 Benji Fisher: Yes. 612 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:49.530 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. 613 01:03:56.460 --> 01:03:59.240 Aaron McHale: Then I we You know you could also note the 614 01:03:59.580 --> 01:04:02.720 Aaron McHale: that there was some issues that you discovered 615 01:04:02.770 --> 01:04:11.390 Aaron McHale: presented earlier an issue. But I I think those obviously we would want to have separate bug issues filed for those. 616 01:04:16.160 --> 01:04:29.370 Aaron McHale: particularly for the ones where it could be, you know, a problem across across like media blocks notes. Some of those it looked like it would be. It would be an issue across all of them. 617 01:04:30.590 --> 01:04:32.300 Benji Fisher: and in general 618 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.340 Ralf Koller: interface elements that are 619 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:41.640 Ralf Koller: no permissions for available, then hide them like buttons, or the columns. 620 01:04:43.030 --> 01:04:44.410 Ralf Koller: That was the consensus. 621 01:04:45.270 --> 01:04:46.020 Benji Fisher: Yes. 622 01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:54.470 Aaron McHale: yeah. And there there is probably a few ways that could be done. So it'd be good to have a dedicated issue to properly figure out the best way to do that. 623 01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:01.530 Benji Fisher: and then for the naming of the permissions, be consistent with the node module. 624 01:05:02.030 --> 01:05:03.030 and 625 01:05:03.260 --> 01:05:05.220 Benji Fisher: do not use the phrase 626 01:05:05.380 --> 01:05:08.450 Benji Fisher: block content. Keep using custom block. 627 01:05:11.040 --> 01:05:13.510 I I guess Aaron is in favor of 628 01:05:14.620 --> 01:05:17.640 Benji Fisher: postponing the rename issue on this one. 629 01:05:20.420 --> 01:05:22.680 Benji Fisher: I I don't care which order there 630 01:05:22.910 --> 01:05:26.870 Benji Fisher: they're done in. I don't know if anyone else has a strong opinion there. 631 01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:33.870 Ralf Koller: I'm also in favor like a 632 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:35.070 Ralf Koller: to postpone it. 633 01:05:35.090 --> 01:05:35.900 Benji Fisher: Okay. 634 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:47.160 Aaron McHale: But hopefully, we'll all get done before 10 dot one. 635 01:05:48.210 --> 01:05:49.750 Aaron McHale: I think that rhymed 636 01:05:53.470 --> 01:05:57.380 Aaron McHale: Can we end the meeting on a right? Is that what we can? 637 01:05:59.130 --> 01:06:02.940 Benji Fisher: That sounds like a good idea we should have a right. Me conflict at the end of every meeting. 638 01:06:04.780 --> 01:06:05.640 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 639 01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:12.740 Aaron McHale: how many, how many changes will get done before 10 dot one or 10 dot 2. I don't know if that works. But 640 01:06:15.460 --> 01:06:17.090 Aaron McHale: i'm gonna stop singing now. 641 01:06:21.030 --> 01:06:21.990 Okay. 642 01:06:22.240 --> 01:06:24.690 Aaron McHale: any less comments. 643 01:06:27.200 --> 01:06:33.180 Benji Fisher: and thank you all for coming again. I won't be here next week, but the meeting can go on. 644 01:06:34.210 --> 01:06:42.730 Benji Fisher: I'll. I'll try to make sure that anyone is allowed to share their screen. and i'll be back in 2 weeks. 645 01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:44.390 Aaron McHale: Right? 646 01:06:44.870 --> 01:06:46.410 Ralf Koller: Thank you and bye. 647 01:06:46.950 --> 01:06:48.110 Aaron McHale: Thanks, everyone. 648 01:06:49.940 --> 01:06:54.520 Aaron McHale: Then J. Will, the is the new meeting being set to all to record. 649 01:06:54.780 --> 01:06:55.510 Benji Fisher: Yes. 650 01:06:56.140 --> 01:06:57.130 Aaron McHale: excellent 651 01:06:58.890 --> 01:07:05.000 Aaron McHale: thanks. Have have fun at all your accounts, Angie. Thank you and safe troubles. 652 01:07:06.470 --> 01:07:07.370 Aaron McHale: Bye. 653 01:07:07.410 --> 01:07:08.160 Ralf Koller: bye, bye.