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Benji Fisher: welcome. This is the Jupiter Usability meeting for March 20 fourth 2,023.

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Benji Fisher: I'm Benji Fisher moderating. And also here are Ralph Kohler, who's sharing his screen, and we'll start off the discussion. Aaron Mchale Simo Helston and S. Must Great Well, that at least that's how it shows up on

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Benji Fisher: Zoom. I think your actual name is Steven must be right.

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smustgrave: Yeah, Sorry. I think it's a zoom default.

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Benji Fisher: Okay. go ahead, Ralph.

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Ralf Koller: So we chunk into that one.

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Benji Fisher: Sure.

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Ralf Koller: Okay. It's basically an issue.

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Ralf Koller: We've talked, or and

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Ralf Koller: what's the name in the word in English

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Ralf Koller: outs outsourced or

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Ralf Koller: not. True. Anyway, it's basically about the granular permissions for block for the block module or the Content block module. We've already talked 2 weeks ago about, and

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Ralf Koller: part of that issue got moved into a separate

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Ralf Koller: ticket. It's issue number 3 3 4 7 5 1 7,

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Ralf Koller: and last time we talked about. The part we Haven't had time left

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Ralf Koller: was the naming of

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Ralf Koller: the block promotion names.

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Ralf Koller: and

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Ralf Koller: we might finish that today.

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Benji Fisher: Okay, so this is where we had the existing issue for

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Benji Fisher: giving more granular permissions, one for each custom block type.

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Ralf Koller: Yeah.

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Benji Fisher: And people were discussing additional permissions

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Benji Fisher: for the block module, and that's we split off into this separate issue. Right?

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Ralf Koller: Yep.

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Benji Fisher: As I already applied the patch, and

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Ralf Koller: those are the newly added.

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Benji Fisher: Okay, and any questions about the context the scope.

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smustgrave: I'm the one who opened this I I and just fy I did just pull this out of the original ticket.

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smustgrave: Okay, I didn't do any other additional work other than

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smustgrave: I just cut this part out and moved it over.

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Aaron McHale: Sure, I I think

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Aaron McHale: they you know what what I say. We we

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Aaron McHale: want to keep in mind, and we're talking about. This is.

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Aaron McHale: you know, for the longest time block layer has left at the top level of structure. But as is in related issues, we're proposing, moving it under appearance. So we have to. We probably want to be ninth of that context. Like. Does that mean that. Well, we could assume that means that to get to the block there page somebody then may

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Aaron McHale: to have the permission to access the appearance page.

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Aaron McHale: I mean that that might not actually practice. We might be able to to do something to address that.

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Aaron McHale: so that they could. Still they could click on appearance, and they would go to the block their top if they didn't have permissions to the they appear as part. But that's the kind of thing we have to, maybe to be aware of in in context here, if that makes sense.

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smustgrave: Okay, I I think that was why it was a a a good idea to split it off, because we've already moved the cus, the the block library. So

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Aaron McHale: that's our for the block layout has not moved yet.

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Aaron McHale: and to be clear, like there's no reason we like that could be a another follow up issue to just consider the implications

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Aaron McHale: on permission structures.

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Aaron McHale: So we don't necessarily need to think of, you know, factor into this issue. But we we we just want to be mindful of that. If there's something obvious that we we can we can do in this issue.

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Benji Fisher: Okay, I'd like to point out that you know to me. Us just joined us.

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Benji Fisher: Thanks for coming.

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Cristina Chumillas: Hi, there!

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smustgrave: I I am curious on this one. I I I know I'm the one who copied it over.

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smustgrave: But if you have access to the block layout

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smustgrave: section

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smustgrave: like, do you really like like? Is there? I can't think of a scenario where someone would have access to that section, but they have like limited ability to do things

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smustgrave: like you can ask black layout, but you can only disable blocks like I. It seems

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smustgrave: unlikely.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, I think that remember, from the last discussion we were to we were, we were not at all clear on what like enable slash disabled blocks as a permission means.

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Aaron McHale: or at least I wasn't. I I forget, I apologize. I forget exactly the intricacies of that discussion, but from the permission name it's not entirely clear.

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Aaron McHale: And and on that that train of thought. I wonder, I wonder how likely it is? Somebody would have access to block layout, but not have access to appearance. I mean it's. It's certainly possible. And

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Aaron McHale: you know

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Aaron McHale: that a site builder might have access to block layer, but not to configure the themes. So

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the I guess that's the kind of thing i'm also thinking about what was what I was saying earlier around, like being careful about

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Aaron McHale: how we reconcile the permissions going forward.

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smustgrave: Yeah, makes sense.

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Benji Fisher: I actually think that's something that should be handled on the other issue. So when we do move

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Aaron McHale: block layout

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Aaron McHale: under appearance, I think that will be the right time to.

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Aaron McHale: I I don't. I don't think it's something we have to try. I think i'd be adding, I don't think it's something we have to do in in this specific issue. But just you know, for the discussion, it's something to that that i'm mindful of. I definitely think that that is probably more relevant for the

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Aaron McHale: yeah, the other issue around actually moving it.

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smustgrave: And since this is all around like the whole, like Block

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smustgrave: re- reorganization, you know I i've spoken to Lee at that. His name's Lee. Right, Laura.

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smustgrave: Yeah, he I I've spoken to him, and like we. we we've kind of agreed that, like, you know, we've already moved the the block types and block library so like the priority, for, like 11 for us at least, is to like, Get

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smustgrave: the block library permissions, ticket in the renaming of at least those sections done. And then there's like another one about

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smustgrave: like

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smustgrave: redirects when creating blocks

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smustgrave: like Not that. This one is not like moving up. The block layout is not on the radar. It's just that, you know. We we've already Kind of think thought that maybe that's going to be a 10 to thing.

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Benji Fisher: Okay, so let's let's try to focus on on this issue. And focus on the usability

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Benji Fisher: concerns.

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Benji Fisher: So I like to do. We even want to discuss whether this is the collect, correct list of permissions, or or is that outside the scope with Usability.

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Simo Hellsten: I think it's part of usability to think

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Simo Hellsten: if these are necessary to be included in in the core. So if if this is a useful for everyone, or if it's, it should be somehow

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Simo Hellsten: kind of a something you can add later, if you need those.

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Simo Hellsten: so to keep, not to add too much stuff for everyone.

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Simo Hellsten: So in that sense it's so related to usability.

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Benji Fisher: Okay. So so I guess you know, until now there's this single permission administered blocks which is currently second on the list.

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Benji Fisher: and

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Benji Fisher: it lets you do a lot of things with blocks. And

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Benji Fisher: And now that layout builder is being used more.

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Benji Fisher: we want to let people position blocks, using layout builder without granting them

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Benji Fisher: permission to to administer blocks in in the Ui. Is that a. Is that a fair statement

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Benji Fisher: or my mixing things up.

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Benji Fisher: Okay. So I I think administer Blocks is still going to grant all permissions in this list.

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Benji Fisher: And do do we think this is the right list of of permissions. Is this more than we need?

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smustgrave: I think it's a little overkill.

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Benji Fisher: I'm thinking so, too

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Benji Fisher: like. Do we really need a separate permission for enabling, disabling, and and for removing.

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Benji Fisher: And I guess all of these permissions are related to the block layout page that Ralph has open in a separate tab. Right?

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Ralf Koller: Yes.

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Ralf Koller: Personally, I like the

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Ralf Koller: of permissions here. The only problem I have it's in regards

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Ralf Koller: of the voting with administer blocks. It isn't

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Ralf Koller: quite clear that it entails. Basically Granting

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Ralf Koller: all the other permissions basically the seat the abilities you have with those

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Ralf Koller: at once and

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Ralf Koller: for learning wise as a non-native speaker, I consider, administer an abstract term

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Ralf Koller: a little bit

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Benji Fisher: Okay. But before we get to the wording.

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Benji Fisher: and maybe we could do that with the description rather than title. But before we get there.

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Benji Fisher: let's think about the list. So Steven and I both said that this seems like overkill. This seems like too many permissions to Granular.

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Benji Fisher: and you disagree. So spend a few minutes convincing us that we should have all of these permissions.

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Benji Fisher: Make your case

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Ralf Koller: 1 s.

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Ralf Koller: I think

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Ralf Koller: it is a good thing that's some of the abilities like, for example.

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Ralf Koller: enabling disabling, as well as removing.

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Ralf Koller: you could grant to more advanced users. At the At the same time you could. Basically

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Ralf Koller: Yeah.

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Ralf Koller: it's tricky.

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Benji Fisher: I mean, what sort of user would have the permission remove blocks, but not have all.

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Aaron McHale: Thanks. Yeah, I'm. I was trying to think about like. okay, would. Yeah.

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Aaron McHale: Why would you need all these versions? And

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Aaron McHale: you, you know, we

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Aaron McHale: my organization. We have

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Aaron McHale: lots and lots of editors, lots of sites.

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Aaron McHale: so like even even with large sites and large groups of editors like ours, it's like

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Aaron McHale: I still would struggle to think of the use case? Why, even we would have

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Aaron McHale: that many permissions, and what what we would prefer, I think, is to be able to

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Aaron McHale: more gradually limit which blocks you can place in a region not turn on and off the ability to place blocks. I'm. I of just getting access to the block layout page.

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Aaron McHale: so

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Aaron McHale: I I don't.

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Aaron McHale: I don't feel, and I haven't found a use case yet for for anything more than the access to plot placement over your page.

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Aaron McHale: although I I also don't understand the difference that that missed or blocks

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Aaron McHale: I I think even yeah it it would.

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Aaron McHale: I would struggle to. I think of any case where we would

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Aaron McHale: in my organization we would use any more than that.

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Benji Fisher: So I guess that first permission would let you see the page, but not give you permission to make any changes on the page.

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Benji Fisher: Second permission administered blocks gives you all permissions.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah. And I think we would want to be able to control the you know which which regions can you place lots in, and what blocks you place in those regions, not

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Aaron McHale: not turning on and off, specific, like global

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Aaron McHale: bits of functionality. If that makes sense like. If you have access to that page as a site.

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Aaron McHale: administrate, you know, like a a yeah, a site owner, let's say so. Not like a a full site Administrator. Somebody who has.

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Aaron McHale: or you know, a slight builder kind of person.

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Aaron McHale: we would say, okay, you can. You can place some blocks in the the

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Aaron McHale: the main content area, but all the other regions are protected, and you can't change anything about those regions and the blocks you can place in our custom blocks, and maybe some other ones, and the way we do that is, we would use.

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Aaron McHale: There's probably some contract modules I get. I'm just.

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Aaron McHale: I've kind of so theorizing at this point. But there's probably modules to do that. So

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Aaron McHale: even in that case of really large sites and lots of editors. I I wouldn't see a use case for all these permissions.

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Benji Fisher: so I i'm actually going to suggest that we cut off discussion on this now. And.

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Benji Fisher: Ralph, if you, or or if someone else

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Benji Fisher: really think that we we need all of these new permissions. making arguments for it. Looking at the issue.

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Benji Fisher: the the motivation is just saying, Well, we copied this from the other issue.

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Benji Fisher: so let's get some just some discussion going on the issue about what

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Benji Fisher: problem we're trying to solve here.

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Benji Fisher: and and why we need all of these permissions?

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Benji Fisher: I pretty disagree. Do people want to keep talking. I get to see a thumbs up from Ralph

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Benji Fisher: and from Aaron. And okay. So

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Benji Fisher: we won't discuss usability until we have more of an idea of

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Benji Fisher: what's going on in this issue. or else do you want to continue with the other issue you were talking about, or let me share my screen.

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Benji Fisher: And, Christina, you joined us a few minutes after the start or any issues you'd like to bring up.

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Cristina Chumillas: Nope. Not today.

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Benji Fisher: So give me just a second to find the right window.

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Benji Fisher: This is it?

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Benji Fisher: Okay?

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Benji Fisher: So that's actually been looking at

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Benji Fisher: What

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Benji Fisher: I would like to look at

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Benji Fisher: Is this issue

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Benji Fisher: 2 7 1 7 3 1 9 by better default configuration. When we're using an existing field. and you can see it's already fixed.

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Benji Fisher: So we don't often. I guess we we usually talk about things that are in progress.

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Benji Fisher: but this is actually the issue that prompted me to join the usability meeting. Several years ago, when when I was working on this issue. and I just want to celebrate a little bit that that this issue has been fixed.

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Benji Fisher: So let's See, here's a triple site I've set up.

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Benji Fisher: It has the usual highly secure Admin admin login. If you

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Benji Fisher: here to check out the site yourself. I posted the link in zoom chat.

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Benji Fisher: and let's see. What am I looking at here? This is the article content type. And

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Benji Fisher: in addition to the default image, I've added a thumbnail image field. and of course I have configured the

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Benji Fisher: display field.

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Benji Fisher: The thumbnail uses image style from now. Make sense.

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Aaron McHale: Yep.

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Benji Fisher: And then this issue is about reusing a field. So let me go to not content types, article, but basic page.

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Benji Fisher: And let me

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Benji Fisher: how to field. We use an existing field. Let's see what happens when I add the thumbnail field

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Benji Fisher: which is already on the article type to the

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Benji Fisher: page type.

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Benji Fisher: So these are all the usual settings

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Benji Fisher: accept the defaults and save.

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Benji Fisher: and let's see what happens when we look at manage, display.

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Benji Fisher: The thumbnail type has been added.

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Benji Fisher: but it is using the original image rather than the thumbnail. so that setting from the article type did not get copied over

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Benji Fisher: It's style. None. If I want to use the thumbnail. I have to

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Benji Fisher: do this extra step to make it happen.

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Benji Fisher: and then I forget whether we have to save my.

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Benji Fisher: I think I just saw an issue, saying that we do have to save. And

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Benji Fisher: anyway.

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Benji Fisher: So, by the way, the site i'm running currently is 10.0,

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Benji Fisher: and the issue i'm talking about was fixed in 10.1, but not in 10.

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Benji Fisher: so that's the existing behavior that existed the behavior on 10,

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Benji Fisher: Okay. So now what i'm doing behind the scenes.

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Benji Fisher: Well, maybe there are. Oh, yeah, there are a bunch of database updates, so I have to run those or else the cycle.

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Benji Fisher: and I'm going to add the second paragraph sealed

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Benji Fisher: Let's look at the display settings

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Benji Fisher: for the image. The image style is not original. It's wide, which is what this configured for the image field on articles of that setting got copied over.

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Benji Fisher: And yeah, I I was working on this several years ago, and sort of gave up.

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Benji Fisher: And so they picked up this issue and pushed it through to completion. And I i'm really happy about that.

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Benji Fisher: Oh, and as long as I have paragraphs install, what else did I check?

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Benji Fisher: the module. Here we go. The paragraphs type, permissions, module, which creates separate permissions for each paragraph type.

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Benji Fisher: and unfortunately, there is no permissions, Tab. for for that.

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Benji Fisher: I thought we had created an issue for that some time ago, but I couldn't find it so. Just

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Benji Fisher: and added this issue to add the permissions tab. If you enable the paragraph type permissions sub module.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, it's. A questions, comments. Go ahead. It's great to see that improvement get in because it's it's one of those things while it's not.

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Aaron McHale: I I think quite often this meeting we we sometimes prefer issues that, you know. You can see an immediate

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Aaron McHale: return on that investment, like you know, change moving the blocks around all that kind of stuff like we did, and it's it's really visible. And you could say, oh, I, you know.

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Aaron McHale: like that's a good to get done, but it's just as important to get these kind of issues done. Which are.

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Aaron McHale: you know it's it's not something that you're going to hit up against every day, but when it's like you demonstrated it when it does come up it's a problem that is

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Aaron McHale: it's it's certainly a really good quality of life improvement, and one which is. I think, sometimes those kind of ones we

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Aaron McHale: and in in drip we it it's it's sometimes too easy to just, you know. Let those slight past, so

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Aaron McHale: it's it's really great to see that get done.

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Benji Fisher: I do it great.

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Simo Hellsten: Because, yeah, I I checked to that site. And this yeah, the examples you showed they don't

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Simo Hellsten: if it's smart enough enough to know that on teaser you would like to have a thumbnail, and on default you would like to go like to have a

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Benji Fisher: So let's see. I'm looking at the basic page.

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Benji Fisher: and on the default. The image has image, style wide.

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Benji Fisher: and on teaser it has image, style, medium. So i'm pretty sure that it is copying things over to match the the article

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Benji Fisher: which for the image.

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Benji Fisher: and it's right at the top.

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Benji Fisher: It's wide for the default display.

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Benji Fisher: and it's medium for the teaser display. So I think the answer is yes, it is handling separate.

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Benji Fisher: Explain modes properly

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Benji Fisher: Okay. So that's what I wanted to show.

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Benji Fisher: Ralph. Do you want to talk about the the other issue you mentioned.

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Ralf Koller: Let's go for the quickies.

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Ralf Koller: the other one we could do next week.

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Aaron McHale: We're a little more than halfway through the hour.

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Aaron McHale: more tricky. Yeah, I'm just gonna reuse the site that you set up because that is

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Aaron McHale: gonna be a lot easier.

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Benji Fisher: Okay? And oh.

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Benji Fisher: Zoom is not letting me relinquish my screen share.

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Aaron McHale: I think I can do it.

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Benji Fisher: Go ahead.

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Aaron McHale: be my guess.

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Aaron McHale: Oh. hold on, Mike!

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Aaron McHale: Just a second.

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Benji Fisher: whether people see our in screen.

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Aaron McHale: Is it? Should we go?

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Benji Fisher: Not for me, Anyone else?

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Ralf Koller: No.

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Aaron McHale: Oh, it says it's loading. Let me try again.

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Aaron McHale: I'm like, pretty sure they're going. Yeah, I'd still think someone else is sharing a. So let me. Let's try you if you leave

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Aaron McHale: Oh, there it goes!

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Aaron McHale: So this is the big, long list of issues.

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Aaron McHale: a big scary list. If I could like. There was someone here at the end that maybe we could quickly tackle this one. I think Steven Post is like

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Aaron McHale: updates Ui text regarding weight. So it is consistent and more helpful to the users. And the problem, says the Ui text regarding the concept of weight is not consistent.

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Aaron McHale: Current wait Ui text book. Pages. Books at given level are ordered first by weight and then by title.

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Aaron McHale: like so many terms, terms, are displayed in a standing order, or if I wait.

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Aaron McHale: in the menu the links with high weight will sync and links with low weight. Will position New top. That is a wow, that's a wordy, both for that one. Yeah. So there's some proposed resolutions here, I

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Aaron McHale: or tax on me. Terms Terms are displayed in ascending numerical order terms of the higher values of position in the near the bottom and times. The floor values position near the top.

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Aaron McHale: and menu links many links at the same depth are displayed in ascending numerical order. Links with higher values will be positioned near the bottom and links. The lower values will be positioned near the top.

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Aaron McHale: So that is, that's essentially this issue. Yeah, it to standardize some of the Ui text, which seems like a good thing. The proposal resolution does seem a lot more standardized.

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Aaron McHale: I think.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, let's talk so many times.

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Benji Fisher: right now.

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Aaron McHale: Where do you actually get to help? Text is a good question, maybe. Do you need to have the help module installed. or something? Is there a module to enable for

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Aaron McHale: Zoom?

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Aaron McHale: How do we? Hmm. How do you see this? That's a good question.

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Aaron McHale: Oh, it's. Oh, okay. And being done.

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Aaron McHale: yes, here we are. Okay. So this is the example of, like the the currently as it is.

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Aaron McHale: and, in fact, having the screenshots here is probably quite helpful. So okay, I guess. First of all, what do people think of the proposed resolutions?

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, that's a great idea. Actually, we should generally avoid directional terms.

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Aaron McHale: Let's take one of these ago, while we're on menus. So why not just use the menu example.

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Aaron McHale: Let's do that.

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Aaron McHale: You just in this in a little bit.

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Aaron McHale: Oh, wait.

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Benji Fisher: So the proposed text is substantially longer than the existing text.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah. So we can see yeah, slightly longer. Yeah. So

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Benji Fisher: yeah, it's less of a difference for menu links, but for for book pages it's a lot longer

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Benji Fisher: any terms. It's a lot longer, but twice as long.

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Aaron McHale: So if we were to so, for example, if we look at that top and multiple times, if we were to swap out Bolton, for you know the end.

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Aaron McHale: it's top for near the beginning.

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Aaron McHale: Is that what you suggested? See me?

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Simo Hellsten: Yeah.

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Aaron McHale: you can we? You start? No, I think, beginning. Oh, start and okay, yeah.

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Simo Hellsten: It started shorter.

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Simo Hellsten: Yes, maybe more meetings.

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Aaron McHale: or could we, should we use last? And first. like I'm thinking about

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Aaron McHale: and links with lower values will be positioned for? No, that doesn't work. Does it? Okay, Wait. I

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Benji Fisher: or something. I hate about this.

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Aaron McHale: Okay.

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Benji Fisher: So first of all, i'm not sure that the second sentence is necessary at all. If we do think the second sentence is necessary, then we should say what goes at the start, and then what goes at the end. This is in the wrong order.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah. Okay.

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Aaron McHale: So yeah.

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Aaron McHale: So go ahead.

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Ralf Koller: Like some, you are allowed to enter negative values as well, and that Isn't mentioned at all.

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Simo Hellsten: and they don't see it when they try and drug the items. But that's something that they probably wouldn't notice it. They wouldn't

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Aaron McHale: So you suggesting that here we should add some kind of information that you can also like. use the drag and drop

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Aaron McHale: feature on the or we call that the overview page.

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Simo Hellsten: Yeah. So because if somebody it's some weight here, then drugs and drops

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Simo Hellsten: drugs them in the

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Simo Hellsten: overview and then edits another one. So might get confusing that

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Simo Hellsten: the the one

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Simo Hellsten: he o sheet.

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Simo Hellsten: not the one they edited first. It's kind of already changed.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah.

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Aaron McHale: then, do you have to kind of for more fundamental suggestions? So i'm wondering.

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Aaron McHale: Would you maybe want to share like post this something in the chat I can copy in to this.

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Aaron McHale: and then I can. Then we can maybe look at if we need to add on what the Simo just suggested.

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Benji Fisher: Okay.

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Aaron McHale: So I think I know what you were saying. But I I I don't. I want to make sure. I'm understanding you correctly.

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Benji Fisher: There.

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Benji Fisher: that's the first half.

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Aaron McHale: Okay.

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Aaron McHale: So you suggesting, put this before the first sentence.

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Aaron McHale: Oh, okay. So still this the second sentence.

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Simo Hellsten: But, as you said, the second sentence does only kind of a rephrase. The first one.

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Benji Fisher: Yeah, it explains what the sending numerical order means. Do we need to do that?

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Benji Fisher: The first sentence in gives the important information that

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Benji Fisher: depth matters first and then

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Benji Fisher: and then the the wait matters within things of the same. Yeah.

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Aaron McHale: I look

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Aaron McHale: not worked.

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Simo Hellsten: I think we don't need the second one, because the user would.

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Simo Hellsten: It would be more useful for the user

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Simo Hellsten: to know that negative values are allowed. So that's I think, more important than

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Simo Hellsten: kind of explaining

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Simo Hellsten: the or what it what numerical order means.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah. And you know this thing that, like

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Aaron McHale: thing that I find weird about this wait. Field is, you have absolutely no context as to what 9 means in relation to everything else

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Aaron McHale: like. In order to understand what 9 means.

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Aaron McHale: Right now we have, we see 9 is the value of this field. You'd have to go and inspect every other menu. Item at the same level, to understand. If I change 9 to minus 9, where that's going to appear.

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Aaron McHale: And I mean that's slightly more fundamental than an issue than subscription text. But it's kind of like as i'm looking at it. I'm thinking

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Aaron McHale: this field doesn't really isn't very helpful, and it's only

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Benji Fisher: that's true. Most people are going to use the drag and drop interface.

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Benji Fisher: which is the fault. and and they they might. you know, click on the link as you did to show the row weights, and then type things in

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Aaron McHale: individually

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Benji Fisher: which which is my standard practice. But that's another.

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Benji Fisher: But go go ahead, Ralph. I'm. I'm doubling

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Ralf Koller: one idea

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Ralf Koller: definitely out of the scope for this issue. But I agree with Aaron, but

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Ralf Koller: especially for screen reader uses. Would it make sense.

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Ralf Koller: for example, to become to get a context, to have, For example, if with about 9, you currently have, for example.

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Ralf Koller: 9 menu links above and 20 menu links underneath

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Ralf Koller: the link, and if you change it to pay, for example.

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Ralf Koller: 7. It gets updated, and it's when you get

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Ralf Koller: a new new reference values that way.

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Aaron McHale: So to illustrate it's you.

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Aaron McHale: Most people probably don't pay attention, but you can hire or show the rule weights, and here they are.

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Aaron McHale: It's a select list. Interestingly.

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Benji Fisher: Yeah, it's a different widget on the individual

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Aaron McHale: which I also find quite interesting, because here you don't get us.

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Aaron McHale: So it's to Seamless Point. I think it was about negative values. It. It's it's clear on here that there's negative values, but it's not clear here that those negative values necessarily, unless you were to like just in without thinking. Click these arrows.

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Benji Fisher: if you click and hold the down narrow, you'll pretty soon get to it something negative

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Aaron McHale: We.

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Aaron McHale: which is I and I know this is like the browser, or rendering this. But like here, the negative values are

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Aaron McHale: from the 9, whereas here they're down from the 9.

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Aaron McHale: I would have also expected it to go. Do you have to click up to get to the negative value? Yeah, actually, why do it? Why does it go in this order? That is bizarre? Actually, because I'm: oh, no, no, I that is, this is the right direction. Okay, i'm clicking up, and it's oh, that's really

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Aaron McHale: I did not like. I don't like this.

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Simo Hellsten: Also you can check that. You're not allowed to type in more than minus 50

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Simo Hellsten: here.

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Simo Hellsten: But then, when you have that select, then it goes to some like minus 69, or something like that. So minus 6 or something.

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Aaron McHale: Oh.

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Simo Hellsten: yeah, but try to edit that and type in minus 61,

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Aaron McHale: all right.

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Simo Hellsten: No click. Leave it to 0 and try to click, click on the edit

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Simo Hellsten: and like mine mine 61 and save

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Aaron McHale: yeah, doesn't it? The price or

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Aaron McHale: for validation is making me

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Aaron McHale: is yelling at me.

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Aaron McHale: Okay, so I guess for this issue.

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Aaron McHale: because we're we're this issues obviously specifically looking at the description takes that we've identified a number of potential or actual problems here.

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Aaron McHale: How how should we proceed with this specific issue? What do we feel? Is the description tech because it's been some other suggestions from

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Aaron McHale: from R, and see more around like things we could add to this description text. But another part of it feels like, Why do we bother showing the weight field? In the first place, on this farm? It almost seems like really like entirely useless

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Aaron McHale: in this. In this context, it's far more useful in this context. Right?

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Aaron McHale: So how do how do we? How do we think we should proceed?

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Aaron McHale: I also said, this must be a quick issue, and it is clearly not like. I guess she is so sorry.

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Benji Fisher: I would say that it is questionable that it's useful.

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Benji Fisher: The usefulness is very questionable.

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Benji Fisher: On the other hand, i'm not sure that it's worth the effort of removing it. Given that it's disruptive. And who knows? Maybe somewhere out there, there's someone who is using this.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah.

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Benji Fisher: I would.

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Benji Fisher: I would go with the shorter

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Benji Fisher: help text. I don't think we need that second sentence at all.

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Benji Fisher: I think it's good to mention the depth, I mean sending numerical order.

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Benji Fisher: And that's enough.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, by any link to the same debts or just they they sending numerical order.

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Aaron McHale: It's I mean it. Is there not without without that second sentence? Is there enough context to say, okay, if i'm here like.

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Aaron McHale: because at least for the second sentence. You have a con. You have a sort of directional context, I guess you think. Okay, If I put like minus 50, I know it's going to be like

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Aaron McHale: at the top of the list, right? But with that do you have enough contact with that? That? I can sense this what i'm wondering.

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Aaron McHale: Ralph Just suggested. Many links at the same depth are displayed in the sending miracle order from negative to positive values.

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Aaron McHale: Let's coffee that in and see

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Aaron McHale: and let's do it on a different task. So we don't lose the other one.

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Aaron McHale: So

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Aaron McHale: yeah, okay.

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Benji Fisher: you fix the typo.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah.

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Aaron McHale: is it? It's missing the e isn't it. Oh.

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Ralf Koller: thank you.

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Aaron McHale: Is that bothering you and the period at the end I forgot

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Aaron McHale: bye.

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Benji Fisher: Actually, Team Typist.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah.

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Aaron McHale: i'll take it.

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Aaron McHale: That is certainly the shortest of the options we've looked at and does for me. At least it does convey the same information.

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Benji Fisher: In fact, it adds something.

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Benji Fisher: you know, without mentioning negative and positive people might think that you can't go more than 0.

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Aaron McHale: True, I would add, some. am I? I'm tempted to suggest we had a comma somewhere in there. Yes, that's what I was thinking.

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Benji Fisher: Oh, hey, I I've already made my opinion clear that the original 2 sentences was too long. I think this is better. Other people want to give opinions. Quick thumbs up comes down or longer opinion.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah. Simon, how do you? What do you think because you would. You were suggesting, we add in some additional information. But do you think this conveys what you were? What you were thinking as well?

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Simo Hellsten: Yeah, I think this this is good.

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Aaron McHale: Okay.

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Aaron McHale: cool. Okay. So with that in mind, I want to make sure, because this issue is looking at multiple multiple places which you know my feeling about issues that cross multiple subsystems. But there we go.

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Aaron McHale: I just want to make sure that we're. We. We're comfortable that this works for a tax on me and book as well.

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Aaron McHale: So we would essentially, in fact. Why Don't, we just

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Aaron McHale: do it to the issue summary while we're here

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Aaron McHale: so

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Aaron McHale: any like

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Aaron McHale: so many terms. That would be

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Aaron McHale: terms, I guess.

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Aaron McHale: And then

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Aaron McHale: that would be pages very much.

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Simo Hellsten: How come the terms?

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Simo Hellsten: It is?

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Simo Hellsten: Suggestions to include

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Simo Hellsten: depth

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Simo Hellsten: or hierarchy.

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Aaron McHale: Okay. that's a good question that they all they all have, I believe. Yeah, tax on me. And I think book has a. Said, they all have a sense of hierarchy so potentially just to know where site

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Benji Fisher: Also, technically, it's not

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Benji Fisher: terms or or links at the same. Yeah.

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Benji Fisher: it's terms with the same parent.

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Aaron McHale: Let me.

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Aaron McHale: Because if we go to

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Aaron McHale: tax on on me.

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Benji Fisher: I added some terms to the

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Aaron McHale: Thank you, Benji.

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Benji Fisher: You're welcome.

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Aaron McHale: So.

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Aaron McHale: Oh, yeah, okay.

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Aaron McHale: I guess that that it's still like I guess that still does it still apply, because even in it's it's

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Aaron McHale: similar to menus. But like your

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Aaron McHale: Oh, I guess it's like, yeah, parent. Item.

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Aaron McHale: So what would this be? Terms with the same parent?

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Aaron McHale: Let's have a look at book as well. This book installed.

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Aaron McHale: No, it's still

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Benji Fisher: there. I can install it

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Aaron McHale: too late.

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I think they have to create

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Aaron McHale: at least one book page.

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Benji Fisher: We are running up against the hour.

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Benji Fisher: So I I just brought up this this point, that same depth. Isn't: really accurate. Do people think that's an important distinction to make

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Ralf Koller: definitely

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Benji Fisher: Okay.

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Benji Fisher: people's time. So i'm afraid that means that they'd have to cut you off, Aaron.

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Benji Fisher: But of course we can continue the discussion on the issue and in slack.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, that's fine. I'll just double check the people thing. Book also applies the same with the word parent rather than depth.

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Benji Fisher: Yeah, people talk about parent page

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Aaron McHale: Cool, I will. I'll update. I'll put something on the issue. And for this so

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Aaron McHale: cool, thanks, everyone.

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Benji Fisher: Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Ralf Koller: Thank you.

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Benji Fisher: Be back next week

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Aaron McHale: this weekend.

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Simo Hellsten: Yeah, but

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