WEBVTT 72 00:09:07.910 --> 00:09:12.520 Benji Fisher: welcome. This is the triple usability meeting for April fourteenth, 2,023 73 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:24.900 Benji Fisher: I'm Benji Fisher, sharing my screen and moderating and also present our Ralph Caller. Aaron Mitchell, and and we've decided that with the 74 00:09:25.130 --> 00:09:29.320 Benji Fisher: Alpha release of 10.1 coming out soon. 75 00:09:29.780 --> 00:09:33.890 Benji Fisher: we'd like to make sure we can 76 00:09:33.970 --> 00:09:35.120 Benji Fisher: finish off 77 00:09:35.940 --> 00:09:45.680 Benji Fisher: the tasks of rearranging the admin Ui. So for the sake of the recording, let me start with a sample site. 78 00:09:46.160 --> 00:09:49.240 Benji Fisher: and I can also paste the link 79 00:09:51.780 --> 00:09:56.080 Benji Fisher: into the zoom chat. As usual. 80 00:09:56.620 --> 00:10:00.560 Benji Fisher: The login is admin admin to these meetings. 81 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.830 Benji Fisher: And where are we now? So in the structure, menu. 82 00:10:08.020 --> 00:10:10.510 Benji Fisher: we still have blocked layout 83 00:10:10.670 --> 00:10:12.510 Benji Fisher: directly under structure. 84 00:10:12.970 --> 00:10:18.230 Benji Fisher: But I've been working on the issue to change that. 85 00:10:18.330 --> 00:10:19.160 Benji Fisher: Been discussing 86 00:10:19.660 --> 00:10:20.550 That's the 87 00:10:20.910 --> 00:10:22.620 Benji Fisher: block layout page 88 00:10:23.310 --> 00:10:30.550 Benji Fisher: which in 10 is the parent page for the custom block library. 89 00:10:30.930 --> 00:10:32.970 Benji Fisher: and that's the parent of 90 00:10:33.530 --> 00:10:36.940 Benji Fisher: We've already changed those. 91 00:10:37.020 --> 00:10:42.840 Benji Fisher: So also under structure is custom, block types. 92 00:10:46.520 --> 00:10:48.000 Benji Fisher: and then under 93 00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:50.560 Benji Fisher: content. I'll open that, you know. 94 00:10:50.640 --> 00:10:51.510 Benji Fisher: Tab 95 00:10:53.060 --> 00:10:55.640 Benji Fisher: content. We have custom blocks. 96 00:10:57.690 --> 00:11:02.320 Benji Fisher: That's where we are now, and the issue i'd like to start with. 97 00:11:03.230 --> 00:11:06.370 Benji Fisher: It is 3 3 1 8 5 4 9, 98 00:11:07.060 --> 00:11:11.790 Benji Fisher: rename custom, block terminology. and the Admin Ui. 99 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:20.630 Benji Fisher: And I think Ralph Aaron, either one of you is probably a better person to memorize this issue than I am. 100 00:11:21.180 --> 00:11:27.800 Aaron McHale: Basically don't go into the marriage request unless you have like 2 h, because it's huge. 101 00:11:27.810 --> 00:11:32.540 Aaron McHale: No. So it's basically baking changes across. 102 00:11:32.860 --> 00:11:40.520 Aaron McHale: so that a lot of them are just like changes in comments. You know, code comments and things. Basically what we're doing is taking you 103 00:11:40.530 --> 00:11:44.980 Aaron McHale: changing it, so that instead of it saying, like custom blocks. 104 00:11:45.040 --> 00:11:48.930 Aaron McHale: we're we're preparing the time content blocks 105 00:11:49.270 --> 00:11:58.310 Aaron McHale: and the the current. Most of that is done. But the current discussion, which I think it would be good to just to get 106 00:11:58.450 --> 00:12:05.790 Aaron McHale: I to sort of wrap up and just get a I saw the recommendation on because we could go either way, I suppose, is for 107 00:12:06.180 --> 00:12:17.380 Aaron McHale: the block types do. Should we refer to those in the interface as simply block types or block content types. 108 00:12:17.590 --> 00:12:23.530 Aaron McHale: And there's a few different sort of arguments either way. And I 109 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:27.650 Aaron McHale: just gonna literally read my comments on the marriage request, because I think that 110 00:12:27.700 --> 00:12:33.800 Aaron McHale: or the comments in that marriage request, because I think it summarizes it quite well. 111 00:12:33.930 --> 00:12:42.440 Aaron McHale: Still, I basis it that. Con: yeah. So we, while we were actually we're also looking at content block types. But 112 00:12:42.690 --> 00:12:49.190 Aaron McHale: that period, next to content types, as you can see with custom block types that could be 113 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:54.410 Aaron McHale: potentially confusing for users. So you're talking about the Admin Menu. 114 00:12:54.650 --> 00:13:00.430 Aaron McHale: Yes, under structure. So if you see where it's, yeah, so if it said like, called 115 00:13:00.810 --> 00:13:03.130 Aaron McHale: 1 s. 116 00:13:03.570 --> 00:13:08.460 Ralf Koller: I've pasted another link in the chat. 117 00:13:09.930 --> 00:13:11.950 Ralf Koller: I've i'm having a 118 00:13:12.520 --> 00:13:18.150 Ralf Koller: site running with the patch. The rename pitch applied that way. It might be easier 119 00:13:18.630 --> 00:13:19.880 Ralf Koller: to discuss 120 00:13:20.300 --> 00:13:28.920 Ralf Koller: having it isn't that a an Umami page. It's just for the standard profile. But 121 00:13:29.810 --> 00:13:33.620 Benji Fisher: well, that's actually good, because it'll help us keep it straight. 122 00:13:34.010 --> 00:13:39.830 Ralf Koller: Okay, the only confusing detail might be. It's using admin tools, and that is 123 00:13:40.130 --> 00:13:44.030 Ralf Koller: still broken. Edmonton. Just 124 00:13:46.800 --> 00:13:48.590 Benji Fisher: I will 125 00:13:49.560 --> 00:13:50.160 it's. 126 00:13:52.870 --> 00:13:57.900 Benji Fisher: I will probably just use the standard who are in 127 00:13:58.510 --> 00:14:03.840 Benji Fisher: that does admin toolbar affect this layout? I think. Yes, it does. 128 00:14:03.990 --> 00:14:04.720 Okay. 129 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.380 Aaron McHale: Yeah. So maybe yeah. So 130 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:21.500 Aaron McHale: we yeah. So we have the current patch or the current measure request. Looks like it's as it is right now. It's got blocked content types. 131 00:14:21.590 --> 00:14:27.590 Aaron McHale: And so yeah, so that the let me find where I was. 132 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:30.810 Aaron McHale: So 133 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:41.820 Aaron McHale: Okay, yeah. So we we thought content, block content types. 134 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:52.030 Aaron McHale: Yeah, it would. It would be what content types could be quite good. Because we're drawing a parallel between 135 00:14:52.050 --> 00:14:58.550 Aaron McHale: under content. We now just say blocks. So, Benji, if you could expand content. 136 00:14:59.850 --> 00:15:06.080 Aaron McHale: i'll, You might have to go into content because the admin toolbar adds those links. So it needs to be updated. 137 00:15:06.250 --> 00:15:13.160 Aaron McHale: But yeah, if not this again. 138 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.240 Aaron McHale: maybe flush all caches 139 00:15:17.410 --> 00:15:18.920 Ralf Koller: hopefully. 140 00:15:20.640 --> 00:15:21.390 Ralf Koller: Yep. 141 00:15:21.470 --> 00:15:27.660 Aaron McHale: Oh, there we go. Yeah. So you can see we. The tab is now simply blocks rather than custom blocks. 142 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:31.690 Benji Fisher: So the Content box content blocks just box 143 00:15:31.870 --> 00:15:33.520 Aaron McHale: right? Yes. 144 00:15:34.590 --> 00:15:36.430 Aaron McHale: and so we. 145 00:15:36.820 --> 00:15:42.150 Aaron McHale: because, you know, with saying block content types. I think 146 00:15:42.820 --> 00:15:58.120 Aaron McHale: we can draw a parallel there between the blocks appear under content, and people are probably used to thinking about like content types. I do wonder if there is a potential still for confusion between content types and 147 00:15:58.270 --> 00:15:59.690 and block content types. 148 00:16:00.940 --> 00:16:11.500 Aaron McHale: The other option is just simply block types. and of course that is nice and shorter. But then the thing we've got to be careful is that we don't confuse 149 00:16:12.050 --> 00:16:17.130 Aaron McHale: content blocks, which is what we're talking about with the blocks that come 150 00:16:17.220 --> 00:16:32.240 Aaron McHale: with Drupal that are not content. Blocks or the blocks that modules could provide that are provided by block plugins. So example of those are things like the site. Name block menu blocks. Those are Those are different. 151 00:16:32.300 --> 00:16:36.170 Aaron McHale: Those are types of blocks. They're not like, you know. They're not 152 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:47.930 Aaron McHale: block types in the sense of things you can create in the Admin. You right, but they are. We also confusingly refer to those as blocks. So it's trying to find a way that doesn't 153 00:16:47.980 --> 00:16:53.750 Aaron McHale: imply that these block types or block content types are somehow related to 154 00:16:53.960 --> 00:17:06.530 Aaron McHale: the things you can add into regions, you know, under the block layer. This I realize, this could get confusing. So that's kind of where where I think a discussion is with like. Should we 155 00:17:06.569 --> 00:17:17.440 Aaron McHale: go with block types, or should it be blocked? Content types because that helps draw the parallel between these being content blocks and the Ralph. Yeah, you have your hand up. 156 00:17:18.780 --> 00:17:21.869 Ralf Koller: Yeah. Just one addition to your point. 157 00:17:23.740 --> 00:17:32.600 Ralf Koller: Initially, the suggestion you brought up was Content Block types. and that I was a bit of hesitant. It 158 00:17:33.040 --> 00:17:34.680 Ralf Koller: Hasn't felt right. 159 00:17:34.780 --> 00:17:37.480 Ralf Koller: but I thought the consensus. But I I 160 00:17:37.610 --> 00:17:48.650 Ralf Koller: i'm in line with it makes things more clear to the user either way. Content block types of block content types, and when Lee brought 161 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:56.220 Ralf Koller: block content types up, I thought the decision was more or less made, or the group was 162 00:17:57.520 --> 00:18:09.650 Ralf Koller: pending towards the 3 worded term, and therefore I gave my plus one for the block Content type. But if Benji, if you could go to the block content types page 163 00:18:09.730 --> 00:18:15.260 Ralf Koller: itself. Then you see the only problem I have 164 00:18:15.980 --> 00:18:21.280 Ralf Koller: with block content types or content, block types either way. Having 165 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:22.780 Ralf Koller: forwarded 166 00:18:23.780 --> 00:18:29.980 Ralf Koller: terms inside the button is sub optimal. The goal should be one or 2 167 00:18:30.560 --> 00:18:31.480 Ralf Koller: that's 168 00:18:31.830 --> 00:18:41.560 Ralf Koller: based on. For example, the strategic writing for you by Tory. and it's it's harder to read and to scan for me. It's 169 00:18:42.210 --> 00:18:49.160 Ralf Koller: challenging, for example, at block content type, to fully realize what it is. That's my only 170 00:18:49.270 --> 00:18:51.290 Ralf Koller: concern in regards of 171 00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:54.270 Ralf Koller: the 3 budget term. 172 00:18:54.380 --> 00:18:57.880 Ralf Koller: But again the other way around block type. 173 00:18:58.290 --> 00:19:07.780 Benji Fisher: So so. So let me let me try to focus the discussion a little bit. So first of all, i'd like to welcome. How long we go to Starle, who's join the meeting 174 00:19:08.180 --> 00:19:10.360 Benji Fisher: and 175 00:19:11.600 --> 00:19:21.870 Benji Fisher: let's let's see if either Paolo or Quinn has questions. You understand what it is we're trying to resolve, and and what the issues are. 176 00:19:24.230 --> 00:19:32.660 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: Hello, everyone actually not because I joined a little bit late, so i'm trying to first to read the the issue that 177 00:19:33.420 --> 00:19:34.950 we are discussing here. 178 00:19:37.910 --> 00:19:41.840 Benji Fisher: Okay, so let me show in the 179 00:19:42.040 --> 00:19:48.390 Benji Fisher: in. The I have what we currently have in 1110.1 180 00:19:48.860 --> 00:19:53.920 Benji Fisher: and in particular. In the Admin Menu, we have custom block types 181 00:19:54.400 --> 00:20:00.880 Benji Fisher: which is now to actually under the structure. Menu: that's a fairly recent change, but it's already in 10.1, 182 00:20:03.460 --> 00:20:09.240 Benji Fisher: and where it can. We're discussing what to call these, so they 183 00:20:10.520 --> 00:20:16.710 Benji Fisher: be called blocks or custom blocks. or content blocks or block content. 184 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:23.940 Aaron McHale: Well, I I think we're past the custom blocks. That's not an option. It's 185 00:20:24.260 --> 00:20:30.940 Aaron McHale: Yeah, it's just it's really just a choice between block types or or lot content types, I think. Yeah. 186 00:20:31.800 --> 00:20:33.580 Benji Fisher: So Paulo. Does that help? 187 00:20:35.840 --> 00:20:38.370 Quynh Pham: Yes, yes, thank you. 188 00:20:39.060 --> 00:20:41.450 Benji Fisher: Okay. So 189 00:20:41.840 --> 00:20:47.570 Benji Fisher: let's focus on one page at a time in the Admin Ui. 190 00:20:47.900 --> 00:20:50.620 Benji Fisher: So where would we like to start? 191 00:20:52.540 --> 00:20:55.810 Aaron McHale: I would suggest we stay on this screen. 192 00:20:55.910 --> 00:21:18.320 Aaron McHale: and I have a suggestion related to it. But if you could go back to the other, the the updated one Benji in the other Tab I also it's I couldn't help. Notice just how weird admin toolbar now looks now that we, it's honestly not updated to account for these these changes. But that's not not our problem. 193 00:21:18.690 --> 00:21:24.920 Aaron McHale: So I think definitely the way I'm looking at this is when you're under structure. 194 00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:39.150 Aaron McHale: block content. Types, I think, makes a lot of sense, and the page title being Block Content types. But I wonder if then, for the the button text and the column. If we just say like, add block type. 195 00:21:39.820 --> 00:21:43.060 Aaron McHale: or and below it the the table 196 00:21:43.630 --> 00:21:48.380 Aaron McHale: column heading where it says, instead of block content type, If we just sit block type 197 00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:51.670 Aaron McHale: and not my. 198 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:58.150 Aaron McHale: the that might work better. I was going to suggest something even more radical. 199 00:21:58.450 --> 00:21:59.290 Aaron McHale: Oh. 200 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:04.470 Benji Fisher: if we're already on, if we already have block content types in the page, title. 201 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:11.130 Benji Fisher: and Ralph points out that the ideal is to have one or 2 words in the button. Let's make it add type. 202 00:22:14.490 --> 00:22:22.670 Ralf Koller: you know I like that, and the other reason I like it is because we can establish a pattern across structure 203 00:22:23.050 --> 00:22:26.550 Aaron McHale: for everything we could just be like, adds type. 204 00:22:26.610 --> 00:22:29.460 Aaron McHale: and that could be. I've content type 205 00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:35.540 Aaron McHale: at block content type. I media type all those funds could just say add type. 206 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:37.110 Benji Fisher: Yeah. 207 00:22:39.790 --> 00:22:44.640 Benji Fisher: So I think that's definitely worth considering. But I I think the more important question 208 00:22:44.980 --> 00:22:46.240 Benji Fisher: is. 209 00:22:47.110 --> 00:22:53.040 Benji Fisher: what to use in the Admin menu? Is it locked content, or is it content, Block, or is it just block? 210 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:02.190 Benji Fisher: So so, Ralph, shortly before the meeting started, you were talking about 211 00:23:03.740 --> 00:23:08.890 Benji Fisher: strategy for asking questions, and maybe we could test that here with 212 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:13.650 Benji Fisher: Hello and Quinn, Who? Haven't previously thought about these questions a lot. 213 00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:16.480 Ralf Koller: We might. Yeah. 214 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:23.250 Ralf Koller: if I could quickly share my screen. I have screenshots taken to illustrate. 215 00:23:26.290 --> 00:23:27.070 Benji Fisher: Go ahead. 216 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.600 Ralf Koller: Yep. 217 00:23:28.850 --> 00:23:30.000 Ralf Koller: You see my screen. 218 00:23:30.110 --> 00:23:30.830 Benji Fisher: Yes. 219 00:23:31.150 --> 00:23:47.220 Ralf Koller: so basically it's a sample content test setup. So a basic question, Which word would you use to describe the group of people who support and oversee several field locations, such as the locations in a region, and the word choices are upper field. 220 00:23:47.380 --> 00:23:53.640 Ralf Koller: upper field in 2 words, field leaders in 2 birds not sure or other. 221 00:23:53.690 --> 00:24:10.740 Ralf Koller: And second is, tell us why you choose this answer, if you choose other, why would you use this word instead? Walk us through your thinking and the time, the reasoning behind the 2 1 2 punch is called. Start with a quantitative question, multiple choice or scale. Question the what 222 00:24:10.830 --> 00:24:15.550 Ralf Koller: and follow it with an open-ended question. You get qualitative feedback. The why 223 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.820 Ralf Koller: and that way which what would you use? 224 00:24:20.110 --> 00:24:27.730 Ralf Koller: The person got 77 responses and headed a pie chart to visualize 225 00:24:27.820 --> 00:24:31.760 Ralf Koller: it isn't specific not statistical, significant. 226 00:24:31.890 --> 00:24:36.120 Ralf Koller: but still you get a direction in which you can go. 227 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:41.260 Ralf Koller: And based on the qualitative questions. Do you have a pit 228 00:24:42.510 --> 00:24:45.920 Ralf Koller: content to chew through. But 229 00:24:46.760 --> 00:24:51.780 Ralf Koller: you get more in-depth reasoning and 230 00:24:52.410 --> 00:24:54.160 Ralf Koller: ideas that way. 231 00:24:54.590 --> 00:25:00.740 Benji Fisher: Oh, okay. So what are the 2 questions we want to ask for for this issue 232 00:25:02.860 --> 00:25:06.970 Benji Fisher: the what? What's the quantitative question we want to ask about 233 00:25:07.780 --> 00:25:12.650 Benji Fisher: block content or content, block or just block, and and what's the follow up Question. 234 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:21.520 Benji Fisher: So I was hoping not to to put this into practice and not just describe the methodology. 235 00:25:25.100 --> 00:25:37.160 Ralf Koller: If it's about the term itself. The choices might be lock, type. content, block, type block content type. not sure and other. 236 00:25:37.820 --> 00:25:39.580 Ralf Koller: that would be the straightforward. 237 00:25:39.890 --> 00:25:43.370 Benji Fisher: Okay. So let's start with that. And you want to show 238 00:25:44.010 --> 00:25:46.050 Benji Fisher: the screen in the admin ui 239 00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:58.030 Benji Fisher: quit, and Paulo. I hope you don't mind being the the subject of this survey. 240 00:26:01.300 --> 00:26:01.950 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: Yep. 241 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.580 Ralf Koller: Should I update 242 00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:13.170 Ralf Koller: in the deaf tools, the 243 00:26:13.190 --> 00:26:18.070 Benji Fisher: titles? Let me type into the chat 244 00:26:19.060 --> 00:26:20.890 Benji Fisher: Content types 245 00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:25.320 Benji Fisher: as one option and 246 00:26:25.820 --> 00:26:26.860 Benji Fisher: content. 247 00:26:29.180 --> 00:26:30.610 Benji Fisher: Lock the types 248 00:26:31.990 --> 00:26:35.210 Benji Fisher: is a second. and lock types. 249 00:26:38.280 --> 00:26:44.730 Benji Fisher: and then not sure and other are those right. 250 00:26:45.560 --> 00:26:46.330 Ralf Koller: Yes. 251 00:26:48.760 --> 00:26:49.930 Quynh Pham: I just 252 00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:54.060 Quynh Pham: I i'm not sure if this related to 253 00:26:54.460 --> 00:26:58.260 Quynh Pham: to this issue. But I remember as when I first 254 00:26:58.370 --> 00:26:59.360 Quynh Pham: started 255 00:26:59.410 --> 00:27:03.260 Quynh Pham: with Jupiter, how it confusing when the term 256 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.660 Quynh Pham: block content type versus content type 257 00:27:06.770 --> 00:27:13.090 Quynh Pham: and block type. Because for me, when I see block content, type and thinking, either 258 00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:17.170 Quynh Pham: relate to the content. I'm. Going to create, or is 259 00:27:17.600 --> 00:27:22.950 Quynh Pham: is related to the content types below that the menu below that. 260 00:27:23.090 --> 00:27:24.380 Quynh Pham: So 261 00:27:24.460 --> 00:27:32.270 Quynh Pham: i'm. I'm. Still not sure how to address this about for the beginning of me. 262 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:41.840 Benji Fisher: Yeah, that's a great point, and that's you know exactly why i'm encouraging 263 00:27:42.050 --> 00:27:45.980 Benji Fisher: people who haven't been thinking about this issue 264 00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:50.410 Benji Fisher: to to give their opinions, because that's that's the perspective we need. 265 00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:55.660 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I don't think anyone else has made that point that 266 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.980 Benji Fisher: putting the word content next to the word types 267 00:28:00.300 --> 00:28:02.940 Benji Fisher: all by itself is, is 268 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.690 Benji Fisher: it produces some confusion? 269 00:28:09.340 --> 00:28:13.020 Benji Fisher: So Quinn, can you choose? 270 00:28:14.890 --> 00:28:18.680 Benji Fisher: And do we want to talk in in terms of the admin menu. For now. 271 00:28:20.780 --> 00:28:23.990 Benji Fisher: Ralph, could you show the the Admin Menu? 272 00:28:24.330 --> 00:28:25.670 Ralf Koller: You have 1 s. 273 00:28:29.370 --> 00:28:33.950 Benji Fisher: So let's have this really focused question. We're looking at the admin menu 274 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:40.520 Benji Fisher: currently right at the top. Under structure. We it's currently block content types. 275 00:28:41.350 --> 00:28:44.700 Benji Fisher: And you've got these 5 choices. 276 00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:49.200 Benji Fisher: The first choice is block content types exactly what it has there. 277 00:28:49.490 --> 00:28:53.350 Benji Fisher: The next one is content. Block types. 278 00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:56.190 Benji Fisher: Quinn and Paula, Are you willing to 279 00:28:57.330 --> 00:28:58.820 Benji Fisher: give us your responses. 280 00:28:59.450 --> 00:29:03.790 Quynh Pham: Brass? Will you move the your screen. A little bit 281 00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:07.960 Quynh Pham: has been cut out for me. I don't know for everyone. I don't see the left 282 00:29:08.100 --> 00:29:10.930 Quynh Pham: menu. Thank you. Yes. 283 00:29:10.990 --> 00:29:11.950 Ralf Koller: Great. Okay. 284 00:29:12.080 --> 00:29:12.680 Yeah. 285 00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:16.900 Quynh Pham: So this is for 10.1 correct. 286 00:29:16.910 --> 00:29:17.670 Benji Fisher: Yes. 287 00:29:17.690 --> 00:29:18.430 Quynh Pham: Okay. 288 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:28.110 Quynh Pham: I'm: Still not sure. Benji. 289 00:29:29.650 --> 00:29:32.660 Benji Fisher: Okay? Well, that's one of the options. Not not sure. 290 00:29:32.820 --> 00:29:34.800 Quynh Pham: Right. 291 00:29:34.950 --> 00:29:36.910 Benji Fisher: Can you roll out any of them. 292 00:29:41.850 --> 00:29:42.850 Quynh Pham: Hmm. 293 00:29:48.230 --> 00:29:50.580 Quynh Pham: I would go with block types. 294 00:29:52.290 --> 00:29:53.220 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: me too. 295 00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:04.410 Benji Fisher: Cool. And then the follow up questions, the open-ended one. Is it do we just ask why or or or do we make it a little more guided, and that now 296 00:30:05.530 --> 00:30:10.390 Quynh Pham: why? Because plough type give me the direct 297 00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:15.060 Quynh Pham: meaning. This is a type of block it not 298 00:30:15.870 --> 00:30:24.680 Quynh Pham: give me giving me the impression that it is the block content, something related with content. So that's why I 2 block types. 299 00:30:26.690 --> 00:30:29.100 Benji Fisher: so to distinguish it from content Times 300 00:30:31.050 --> 00:30:32.640 Benji Fisher: Is that fair summary? 301 00:30:37.090 --> 00:30:37.740 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: Yeah. 302 00:30:38.330 --> 00:30:45.690 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: When I started working with with Triple, I had, I? I was confused, too, about it. 303 00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:48.290 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: and I think a block types. 304 00:30:48.370 --> 00:30:51.470 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: It's shorter and 305 00:30:51.710 --> 00:30:52.810 meaningful. 306 00:30:52.830 --> 00:30:54.520 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: I also like 307 00:30:54.740 --> 00:30:57.040 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: type of blocks. You are adding 308 00:30:58.090 --> 00:31:00.670 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: a new type of block. 309 00:31:01.190 --> 00:31:01.830 I think 310 00:31:01.860 --> 00:31:05.020 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: the word content between block and 311 00:31:05.300 --> 00:31:06.630 and types is 312 00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:09.580 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: can make people get confused. 313 00:31:12.740 --> 00:31:14.040 Benji Fisher: Okay, thank you. 314 00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:21.620 Benji Fisher: Let me make a few points here. One is that there is not going to be a perfect solution. 315 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:33.260 Benji Fisher: We we have these problems with terminology and and and they're They're there. There's no no perfect solution to like like the word content 316 00:31:33.650 --> 00:31:39.900 Benji Fisher: already is so overloaded. and then the word block is so overloaded. 317 00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:43.960 Benji Fisher: So we're we're not going to solve 318 00:31:44.380 --> 00:31:48.300 Benji Fisher: all of the problems we just have to find the best compromise. 319 00:31:48.690 --> 00:31:50.820 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Ralph. 320 00:31:51.060 --> 00:31:54.780 Ralf Koller: Just one. Follow up question to 321 00:31:58.140 --> 00:31:59.320 Ralf Koller: to Paulo. 322 00:31:59.810 --> 00:32:06.450 Ralf Koller: You said, Clock content Types creates potential confusion for you. And 323 00:32:06.620 --> 00:32:10.480 Ralf Koller: Is it the same for content block types as well 324 00:32:18.380 --> 00:32:20.570 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: on that block types? 325 00:32:24.570 --> 00:32:27.730 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: Let me let me. 326 00:32:40.050 --> 00:32:46.150 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: I think it's better. But I still prefer block types. 327 00:32:46.670 --> 00:32:47.270 Ralf Koller: Okay. 328 00:32:48.770 --> 00:32:50.380 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: Okay. 329 00:32:51.620 --> 00:32:57.570 Benji Fisher: okay. A few other things to consider are that block content types is currently the longest 330 00:32:59.710 --> 00:33:00.600 Benji Fisher: item 331 00:33:00.870 --> 00:33:05.540 Benji Fisher: in this menu at at at its level and shortening it to block types with. 332 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:06.860 Benji Fisher: We change that. 333 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:11.660 Benji Fisher: and and also think about where it gets alphabetized. I guess 334 00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:16.860 Benji Fisher: it's currently at the top. If we change its block types and still be at the top 335 00:33:17.170 --> 00:33:18.630 Benji Fisher: if we were to change it to 336 00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:21.930 Benji Fisher: content block types that would push it down 337 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.890 Benji Fisher: right above content. 338 00:33:26.790 --> 00:33:32.670 Aaron McHale: Yeah, thanks. It's really interesting here in the respected there, and something that I said we 339 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:53.290 Aaron McHale: I hadn't really thought too much about that on in that particular. You know how you could. the word content and types together to cause any confusion. Actually, I would say, after hearing that I probably better change to thinking that block types is better. 340 00:33:53.330 --> 00:33:56.140 Aaron McHale: and that the fact that yes, we have 341 00:33:56.190 --> 00:34:00.040 Aaron McHale: blocks in another context, like those things that 342 00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:05.870 Aaron McHale: you know, like a site, name, block, and other things. But you're when you're here 343 00:34:06.020 --> 00:34:11.630 Aaron McHale: as a user. You're not really thinking about those you're thinking. Okay, I can add a block type. 344 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:23.679 Aaron McHale: and then I can use it by going to content. And then blocks, and I can create a block of that type, and I can put that block inside content. or I can use it inside Layout Builder. So 345 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:32.900 Aaron McHale: actually, that is a really stroll indicator for me. But and again, because it's shorter the block types, it's probably 346 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:44.830 Aaron McHale: the way to go, and I think actually, I might be wrong. But I think that is what it was actually originally labeled. So maybe we should just yeah, stick with calling it what types? 347 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:55.139 Paulo Henrique Cota Starling: But you know, why was it change it? We have an idea. 348 00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:04.580 Ralf Koller: The initial name was Custom block type. It was renamed to block type in the rename issue. But then, a few 349 00:35:05.650 --> 00:35:06.950 Ralf Koller: weeks ago. 350 00:35:08.250 --> 00:35:19.250 Ralf Koller: the suggestion came up to to make it more clear, to name it content block types. And then a few days ago. the suggestion came up 351 00:35:19.410 --> 00:35:23.380 Ralf Koller: to go instead with block content Types? 352 00:35:23.910 --> 00:35:37.900 Ralf Koller: That's still yeah. there are pros and cons, as I said. And as we see now and yeah. maybe going with block types, it's more neutral. But still it provides the initial context, and maybe 353 00:35:39.580 --> 00:35:45.100 Ralf Koller: it might be both to make the differences between those 354 00:35:46.530 --> 00:35:50.190 Ralf Koller: core blocks provided by core in code 355 00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:53.790 Ralf Koller: as well as those coming from contract modules. 356 00:35:54.190 --> 00:36:01.580 Ralf Koller: Could you open up the block layout page, maybe in a separate tab. 1 s. 357 00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:04.190 Ralf Koller: Yeah. 358 00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:08.680 Benji Fisher: And the reason for 359 00:36:08.990 --> 00:36:17.300 Benji Fisher: not calling it simply blocks. But we're calling it either content, walk or block. Content is to distinguish it from these blocks. 360 00:36:17.670 --> 00:36:20.240 Benji Fisher: which can include 361 00:36:20.650 --> 00:36:27.360 Benji Fisher: content blocks. but also it include blocks provided by modules. 362 00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:33.350 Benji Fisher: and if you click on the place block button 363 00:36:36.460 --> 00:36:42.600 Benji Fisher: right there, blocks that come from views, their blocks that come from core forms. 364 00:36:42.830 --> 00:36:45.170 Benji Fisher: and somewhere on this list there should be. 365 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.670 Benji Fisher: Oh, I guess I guess you know 366 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:56.120 Benji Fisher: right since since you're using the standard profile, you you don't have any custom blocks pre installed if you were looking at your mommy 367 00:36:56.240 --> 00:36:57.630 Ralf Koller: us. Yeah. So 368 00:36:57.650 --> 00:37:01.420 Benji Fisher: some custom blocks here as well. So 369 00:37:01.810 --> 00:37:03.750 Benji Fisher: So that's the 370 00:37:04.180 --> 00:37:07.530 Benji Fisher: confusion we're trying to avoid by 371 00:37:07.610 --> 00:37:09.980 Benji Fisher: adding the word content 372 00:37:10.230 --> 00:37:15.170 Benji Fisher: that there are these blocks which includes the content blocks. 373 00:37:16.080 --> 00:37:18.270 Benji Fisher: and we want to avoid confusion there. 374 00:37:18.680 --> 00:37:19.950 Benji Fisher: And that's 375 00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:24.830 Benji Fisher: sort of what I was getting at when I was saying, we're not going to find a perfect answer. 376 00:37:24.860 --> 00:37:30.500 Benji Fisher: If we do go with locked types, then there is potential for confusion here 377 00:37:31.080 --> 00:37:33.090 Benji Fisher: and layout Builder. Yes. 378 00:37:33.170 --> 00:37:39.270 Ralf Koller: there's also the course. Content. Blocks in layout build a different to the content blocks 379 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.660 Ralf Koller: over here in content. Those are reusable. 380 00:37:44.680 --> 00:37:48.400 Ralf Koller: Those in layout builder are in line blocks. Basically 381 00:37:49.090 --> 00:37:50.970 Ralf Koller: And yeah, then it there's also 382 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.690 Ralf Koller: follow up issue, or a postponed issue at the moment dealing 383 00:37:56.030 --> 00:37:57.920 Ralf Koller: with the naming of those as well. 384 00:38:01.230 --> 00:38:05.690 Ralf Koller: But the block types apply to both in layout build as well as 385 00:38:07.300 --> 00:38:08.280 Ralf Koller: in content. 386 00:38:12.570 --> 00:38:17.060 Benji Fisher: So hello has to leave thanks for joining us. 387 00:38:21.310 --> 00:38:24.850 Benji Fisher: and we go back to 388 00:38:26.420 --> 00:38:28.030 Benji Fisher: Yes, this page. 389 00:38:29.890 --> 00:38:31.780 Benji Fisher: and let's ask the same 390 00:38:32.390 --> 00:38:36.620 Benji Fisher: questions now. But instead of thinking about the Admin menu. 391 00:38:36.980 --> 00:38:49.570 Benji Fisher: think about the page title which is currently lock, content types and same question as before. but the context is different. 392 00:38:50.310 --> 00:38:51.450 Benji Fisher: So 393 00:38:51.460 --> 00:38:59.500 Benji Fisher: do do we have the same answer or not Same Same choices block content types, content block types. 394 00:39:00.580 --> 00:39:01.840 Benji Fisher: When do you have a 395 00:39:03.050 --> 00:39:04.310 Benji Fisher: an opinion there. 396 00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:17.750 Quynh Pham: See what? When I look at this main issue and think about content, Editor versus admin I mean super and mean 397 00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:19.390 Quynh Pham: so. And 398 00:39:20.540 --> 00:39:22.150 Quynh Pham: i'm trying to 399 00:39:22.350 --> 00:39:26.440 Quynh Pham: figure out what mess what is best for both. 400 00:39:27.990 --> 00:39:29.340 Quynh Pham: And 401 00:39:29.970 --> 00:39:39.250 Quynh Pham: yeah, i'm not sure 402 00:39:39.610 --> 00:39:50.540 Benji Fisher: it's. It's under the structure. Menu: this is where you manage the custom block types or content block types. and that's something that a content actor doesn't normally do 403 00:39:52.690 --> 00:39:56.550 Quynh Pham: right, right. We do have several level of 404 00:39:57.890 --> 00:40:00.290 Quynh Pham: content, aided one 405 00:40:00.680 --> 00:40:01.610 Quynh Pham: can have 406 00:40:01.830 --> 00:40:06.820 Quynh Pham: semi, you know, admin right and some it is. 407 00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:09.560 Quynh Pham: anyway. So 408 00:40:10.820 --> 00:40:12.900 Quynh Pham: for this case. 409 00:40:15.910 --> 00:40:18.670 Benji Fisher: Oh, no. The Permissions age. 410 00:40:19.680 --> 00:40:21.020 Ralf Koller: Yeah, that's the 411 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.690 Ralf Koller: So you are able to give 412 00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:28.230 Ralf Koller: dedicated 413 00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:30.490 Ralf Koller: for the page. 414 00:40:33.700 --> 00:40:40.200 Benji Fisher: I mean, I I guess it seems to me that 415 00:40:40.210 --> 00:40:43.890 Benji Fisher: if the context is well established 416 00:40:44.990 --> 00:40:47.520 Benji Fisher: like here, we're under structure. 417 00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:54.720 Benji Fisher: and if we're on the block layout page where we're under appearance. 418 00:40:55.120 --> 00:40:57.420 Benji Fisher: and if we're looking at the 419 00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.850 Benji Fisher: block. 420 00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:01.090 Benji Fisher: layout. 421 00:41:01.350 --> 00:41:05.470 Benji Fisher: the the the custom block, library, or whatever we call it now 422 00:41:05.550 --> 00:41:10.610 Benji Fisher: or under content. If the context is sufficiently clear. 423 00:41:12.810 --> 00:41:16.110 Benji Fisher: then we don't need to worry about distinguishing 424 00:41:17.200 --> 00:41:22.510 Benji Fisher: blocks that are content from blocks that are configuration. 425 00:41:25.220 --> 00:41:34.030 Benji Fisher: and if so, if the context is clear, we can just call them blocks. That's that's my opinion. Now 426 00:41:35.790 --> 00:41:41.330 Benji Fisher: there's a big If there it is the context sufficiently there. 427 00:41:46.180 --> 00:41:50.070 Benji Fisher: and we can add the we. We can ask the same question here. 428 00:41:50.380 --> 00:41:53.200 Benji Fisher: So we have the page title. 429 00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:58.360 Benji Fisher: We have the tab. We have the button to add new one. 430 00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:13.370 Benji Fisher: So, like the the page title, we will, we are under content. We're now listing 431 00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:17.470 Benji Fisher: the blocks. They're currently actually Ralph, Why don't you 432 00:42:17.810 --> 00:42:22.100 Benji Fisher: or I I I I can do that. Since since you shared the link. 433 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.310 Benji Fisher: I I will add a block content. But 434 00:42:26.950 --> 00:42:29.140 Benji Fisher: you know, start start with the 435 00:42:29.650 --> 00:42:32.680 Benji Fisher: page title. Should it be? 436 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:48.520 Benji Fisher: Thank you. the page title, Should we keep it content? Blocks? Or should we take one of the other options 437 00:42:49.520 --> 00:42:55.440 Quynh Pham: in this case I like to keep it at the content of. because is 438 00:42:56.530 --> 00:42:57.110 that 439 00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:06.000 Quynh Pham: this give me the idea of editing the contents, using text, Feel a Ck. Editor, or whatever 440 00:43:06.130 --> 00:43:09.990 Quynh Pham: so content blocks would fit well in this case. 441 00:43:13.520 --> 00:43:20.610 Benji Fisher: right? And I I I'd also. I should point out that that we are now looking at a page that content editors 442 00:43:20.910 --> 00:43:22.540 more likely to see 443 00:43:23.570 --> 00:43:28.720 Benji Fisher: and and right where we we might be editing this and see whether that's that's exactly right. 444 00:43:33.910 --> 00:43:39.510 Benji Fisher: We want to ask about the button or the table labels, or anything like that. 445 00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:45.560 Ralf Koller: as you mentioned it in regards to the table labels. 446 00:43:45.710 --> 00:43:50.740 Ralf Koller: there's currently there's an inconsistency. If you take a look, you have 447 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.650 Ralf Koller: block type over here while 448 00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:59.490 Ralf Koller: on the block Content Types page it's block content type. 449 00:44:03.770 --> 00:44:06.510 Aaron McHale: So i'm. No. Very 450 00:44:07.420 --> 00:44:15.820 Aaron McHale: Well, I will say very. But i'm feeling more confident that under structure referring to them as block types is okay. 451 00:44:16.040 --> 00:44:18.840 Aaron McHale: And, Benjy, you made a good point 452 00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:21.570 Aaron McHale: about the context. And if you. 453 00:44:22.720 --> 00:44:29.230 Aaron McHale: if you think about when you're under content, you're adding, well content. 454 00:44:29.330 --> 00:44:31.730 Aaron McHale: You know media blocks. 455 00:44:32.670 --> 00:44:38.880 Aaron McHale: and if, when you're in structure you're adding types of those things. 456 00:44:39.690 --> 00:44:42.030 Aaron McHale: So I I think, like 457 00:44:42.180 --> 00:44:51.240 Aaron McHale: the user is probably used to saying, okay, I go to structure to add a content type or go to structure to add the media type. Therefore I go to structure to add a block type 458 00:44:51.450 --> 00:44:52.190 Aaron McHale: on 459 00:44:54.200 --> 00:44:56.010 Aaron McHale: That's probably 460 00:44:56.610 --> 00:45:00.150 Aaron McHale: provides enough of a connection there. 461 00:45:01.450 --> 00:45:07.540 Aaron McHale: because usually the first one of the first things we do on a site, anyway is add your content types. 462 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:13.000 Aaron McHale: So you're already kind of thinking about it in that context. 463 00:45:13.390 --> 00:45:14.270 Aaron McHale: And 464 00:45:15.700 --> 00:45:31.330 Aaron McHale: whereas, before I was concerned about the potential confusion, if we just refer to these as block types, the potential confusion between the things that you can access under like block layout. But again I don't I I don't actually think that's really 465 00:45:31.340 --> 00:45:35.300 Aaron McHale: a problem, because again, if you go to the place block box in there, Ralph. 466 00:45:35.770 --> 00:45:50.180 Aaron McHale: We talk about those as categories, and you should now see your well. That's interesting in there. It it says, custom for one of those blocks. So that's where we would need to update. But there we could 467 00:45:50.420 --> 00:45:53.040 Ralf Koller: potentially one I just created. 468 00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:55.880 Aaron McHale: Yeah, that should probably be changed 469 00:45:56.370 --> 00:46:02.310 Aaron McHale: there. So instead of saying custom, it says, like content or content Block. So that's somewhere else. 470 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.620 Ralf Koller: No content block would be good or just content. 471 00:46:09.030 --> 00:46:09.890 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 472 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:18.530 Aaron McHale: yeah, because we describe those as categories, not types. So there's a distinction there that 473 00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:25.290 Aaron McHale: when you either type a block type. you can use that when creating a block of content. 474 00:46:25.700 --> 00:46:30.570 Aaron McHale: But when you're here you're seeing these categories like core blocks. 475 00:46:30.580 --> 00:46:40.440 Aaron McHale: Forums help viewers, and you're you're a bit the context. There's a bit broader there. So you think oh, I can go, and I when i'm in views I can create these blocks that are like 476 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:50.830 Aaron McHale: their like views. When I come here I see that their label does views. So I actually my please concerns about any confusion. There, I think. 477 00:46:50.900 --> 00:46:55.350 Aaron McHale: is, I don't have those concerns now 478 00:46:55.700 --> 00:46:58.730 Aaron McHale: i'm not sure how well I articulated that. But 479 00:47:00.240 --> 00:47:02.280 Aaron McHale: I I I I think i'm 480 00:47:02.430 --> 00:47:05.430 Aaron McHale: comfortable with block type. So 481 00:47:07.590 --> 00:47:08.200 that's right. 482 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:14.060 Benji Fisher: Yeah, and that's a good point about category versus type. and then. and that's 483 00:47:14.810 --> 00:47:18.290 Benji Fisher: a a difference that's worth preserving. 484 00:47:18.770 --> 00:47:19.600 Aaron McHale: Yes. 485 00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:22.940 Aaron McHale: i'm gonna make a note that that's 486 00:47:24.190 --> 00:47:25.700 Benji Fisher: all right. What did you say? 487 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:29.380 Quynh Pham: I say? I said Yes, because the 488 00:47:29.890 --> 00:47:30.470 up 489 00:47:31.200 --> 00:47:36.670 Quynh Pham: we want to begin her to. To get to know Jupiter 490 00:47:37.070 --> 00:47:39.890 Quynh Pham: is faster and easier by. 491 00:47:40.040 --> 00:47:40.790 Quynh Pham: but 492 00:47:40.890 --> 00:47:44.640 Quynh Pham: the word block has been using all over 493 00:47:44.980 --> 00:47:51.370 Quynh Pham: with different meaning. So I wish we have something, you know, some replacement that 494 00:47:52.040 --> 00:47:57.890 Quynh Pham: makes sense and easier for a beginning. That's why we can turn more people to Jupiter 495 00:47:59.740 --> 00:48:03.710 Benji Fisher: that that that is certainly the goal. 496 00:48:04.080 --> 00:48:08.680 Aaron McHale: Well, while we're on this screen, Quinn, I guess 497 00:48:08.790 --> 00:48:12.800 Aaron McHale: again to post a similar set, a similar question to you. 498 00:48:12.870 --> 00:48:15.530 Aaron McHale: and where we see 499 00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:22.110 Aaron McHale: the block that Ralph created called one block, and it's late. It's next to it, says custom. 500 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.830 Aaron McHale: And would you? What would you call that? Would you call that just a block. 501 00:48:28.390 --> 00:48:33.200 Aaron McHale: or would you rather it said, just content or content, Block. 502 00:48:36.040 --> 00:48:37.510 Quynh Pham: I would. 503 00:48:37.710 --> 00:48:38.590 Quynh Pham: unless 504 00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:45.320 Quynh Pham: give more details. I know sorts is better of a ux perspective, but 505 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.290 Quynh Pham: a little bit more detail for beginner. 506 00:48:50.950 --> 00:48:54.030 Quynh Pham: So I would 507 00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:57.210 Quynh Pham: probably at more custom. 508 00:48:58.560 --> 00:49:04.830 Quynh Pham: something something I i'm. I can't think of anything right now, but 509 00:49:05.060 --> 00:49:14.060 Aaron McHale: so may maybe then. in that case content Block. 510 00:49:14.580 --> 00:49:23.900 Aaron McHale: because that's what we call that's what we're kind of calling them in under the Content section. So maybe there we should be. We should be using content. Block 511 00:49:24.050 --> 00:49:25.340 Aaron McHale: is the category. 512 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:26.080 Ralf Koller: Yeah. 513 00:49:29.780 --> 00:49:34.390 Aaron McHale: Because that has, because, as the words both the words content and block. There it's it's. 514 00:49:34.890 --> 00:49:37.380 Aaron McHale: you know, a farms that 515 00:49:38.600 --> 00:49:40.680 Aaron McHale: for just content. 516 00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:45.550 Aaron McHale: But see if we just have content. 517 00:49:46.300 --> 00:49:54.200 Aaron McHale: Could that be confusing. If you think well, if I go, create, go to like admin content, and creates a piece of content. Can I then add it there 518 00:49:54.260 --> 00:49:58.070 Aaron McHale: like we do want to be clear that you have to create a 519 00:49:58.110 --> 00:50:01.510 Aaron McHale: content block to be able to add it there. Right? 520 00:50:01.720 --> 00:50:04.890 Ralf Koller: I I think you've got it backwards. 521 00:50:06.810 --> 00:50:14.690 Benji Fisher: You're being presented with a list. and we're trying to say what the category of this item on the list is. 522 00:50:17.630 --> 00:50:23.780 Benji Fisher: and and and you're taking it from the other point of view, how do I get something onto this list? 523 00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:31.000 Benji Fisher: And and I think the first question is, is, what we need to address in in this following 524 00:50:31.730 --> 00:50:44.370 Aaron McHale: once: something is on the list. How do you identify it? You wouldn't see it before you've created it right. So if you don't have any by default. There are no 525 00:50:44.520 --> 00:50:45.950 Aaron McHale: blocks created. 526 00:50:46.600 --> 00:50:50.260 Aaron McHale: so you wouldn't see it to know that it was here. 527 00:50:51.640 --> 00:50:59.760 Aaron McHale: There's an argument that we probably should have Some help to say that, hey? You can go over here to create a custom block or a content block. But that's a different. 528 00:50:59.810 --> 00:51:04.230 Aaron McHale: you know. although there's a button right there. I'll look at that. 529 00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:06.310 Aaron McHale: Okay. 530 00:51:06.650 --> 00:51:10.020 Ralf Koller: But one other detail 531 00:51:11.040 --> 00:51:16.260 Ralf Koller: I'm. Sort of confused with is those categories, Aren't 532 00:51:17.330 --> 00:51:20.790 Ralf Koller: explained anywhere, and having 533 00:51:21.240 --> 00:51:24.080 Ralf Koller: for one core. And, on the other hand. 534 00:51:24.130 --> 00:51:25.270 Ralf Koller: system. 535 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:34.310 Ralf Koller: what is the difference? Capitalized? And some are not. Yes, that's a problem, too. Fuck: let's try it. 536 00:51:34.580 --> 00:51:37.670 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I think that's a 537 00:51:38.060 --> 00:51:40.730 Benji Fisher: Let's worry about that some other day. 538 00:51:40.950 --> 00:51:46.050 Aaron McHale: Yeah. But basically, if you have, you have core custom and system, it's 539 00:51:46.580 --> 00:51:49.830 Ralf Koller: confusing and not very clear. The others. Menu 540 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.290 Ralf Koller: lists, use help. 541 00:51:52.340 --> 00:51:54.980 Ralf Koller: forms. It's all sort of clear. 542 00:51:55.390 --> 00:51:56.710 Ralf Koller: But those 3, 543 00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:02.860 Quynh Pham: and the system that's what I 544 00:52:04.010 --> 00:52:06.210 Quynh Pham: I think you should change it. 545 00:52:11.030 --> 00:52:20.060 Benji Fisher: Ralph. Can you let me share my screen. Now I think it's time to move on to some of the related 546 00:52:20.070 --> 00:52:21.600 she. Yes. 547 00:52:23.170 --> 00:52:23.920 Benji Fisher: to find. 548 00:52:26.570 --> 00:52:27.160 Yeah. 549 00:52:30.770 --> 00:52:41.530 Benji Fisher: So I I actually the the issue we've been discussing. Yeah, it's 3 3 1 8 5 4 9, rename custom, block terminology in the Admin Ui. 550 00:52:43.870 --> 00:52:51.940 Benji Fisher: I'm not sure that that absolutely has to be done before the Alpha release. and there are some other issues that do 551 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:53.780 Benji Fisher: So let's see. 552 00:52:54.330 --> 00:53:02.470 Aaron McHale: Just so, just before we go on it, just wanna because I was capturing a couple of notes, so I I've got 3 key points. I just want to make sure that I I 553 00:53:02.690 --> 00:53:04.880 Aaron McHale: we're clear, and there's nothing missing there because i'm going to. 554 00:53:06.530 --> 00:53:10.130 Aaron McHale: I'll pull some. I'll get to pull something on there that 555 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:11.900 Aaron McHale: the first one is that 556 00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:15.990 Aaron McHale: condom content blocks is okay, we're happy with that. 557 00:53:17.660 --> 00:53:23.590 Aaron McHale: The next point I captured is the words content and types together. 558 00:53:25.570 --> 00:53:30.280 Aaron McHale: or potentially confusing and make the use of, You know, think about content types. 559 00:53:30.660 --> 00:53:32.710 Aaron McHale: And then the 560 00:53:32.950 --> 00:53:43.800 Aaron McHale: the last one which we just saw is that the casting, we should say, to not see custom. It should see content. Or did we? Did we say, yeah, just content was just content. Wasn't it? 561 00:53:45.030 --> 00:53:46.640 Benji Fisher: That that is my my opinion. 562 00:53:47.780 --> 00:53:49.790 Aaron McHale: I think that's yeah, okay. 563 00:53:50.470 --> 00:53:54.340 Aaron McHale: okay. And and can you add the list that 564 00:53:54.380 --> 00:53:56.840 Benji Fisher: if the context is clear. 565 00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.500 Benji Fisher: then we can afford to use the shorter terminology. 566 00:54:01.070 --> 00:54:01.900 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 567 00:54:02.220 --> 00:54:08.860 Benji Fisher: And and I think that applies in the Admin Menu. If you're on your content if you're under structure, the context should be clear. 568 00:54:09.190 --> 00:54:14.930 Aaron McHale: Yeah, and we've kind of done that with lot with under content where the tab is just blocks. 569 00:54:15.300 --> 00:54:17.510 Aaron McHale: So yeah, that's a good point. 570 00:54:18.220 --> 00:54:19.280 Benji Fisher: Exactly. 571 00:54:20.620 --> 00:54:21.670 Aaron McHale: Okay. Great. 572 00:54:22.350 --> 00:54:27.500 Benji Fisher: So there's another issue. 573 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.170 Aaron McHale: Is it that one? The 574 00:54:33.650 --> 00:54:40.500 Benji Fisher: Oh, maybe it's actually another point on on the same issue. 575 00:54:41.300 --> 00:54:44.340 Benji Fisher: So let me have a look at the proposed resolution. 576 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:54.930 Benji Fisher: So is this part of the proposed resolution at all controversial change the route from the admin content block. 577 00:54:57.250 --> 00:55:09.290 Aaron McHale: That's decided. And it's just questions. Yeah, I think it now right. I think that's been done, and that. Actually, that's one of the reasons that we really want this to land in 10 Point. One is because 578 00:55:09.660 --> 00:55:13.030 Aaron McHale: that avoid just having to set up another redirect. 579 00:55:13.930 --> 00:55:15.540 Benji Fisher: Yes. 580 00:55:18.060 --> 00:55:26.050 Benji Fisher: how did we get those 2 changes into the same issue? I thought we we sort of didn't he separate, but anyway. 581 00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:28.180 Benji Fisher: all right, so 582 00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:36.270 Benji Fisher: so it's the path change. That means it has to be done before the Alpha, which is now less than 2 weeks away. 583 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.760 Benji Fisher: And what's really hanging it up is 584 00:55:42.230 --> 00:55:46.810 Benji Fisher: what what issue titles as what we've been talking about. Okay, I understand now. 585 00:55:52.070 --> 00:55:53.560 Benji Fisher: So let's see. 586 00:55:55.780 --> 00:55:57.340 Benji Fisher: So the 587 00:55:59.270 --> 00:56:04.950 Benji Fisher: sort of the the 2 issues I've been working on recently. 588 00:56:10.340 --> 00:56:18.210 Benji Fisher: or that red chrome for block content entities is not useful on that issue. 2 3 1 7 9 8, one. 589 00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:20.680 Benji Fisher: and maybe 590 00:56:21.750 --> 00:56:26.370 Benji Fisher: just looking at screenshots 591 00:56:28.160 --> 00:56:32.290 Benji Fisher: is enough. So the current state of affairs 592 00:56:32.610 --> 00:56:34.430 Benji Fisher: is that when you're editing 593 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:40.610 Benji Fisher: custom, block you, the the pad is blocked 5 and red is just home 594 00:56:40.780 --> 00:56:42.640 Benji Fisher: just not at all useful. 595 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.310 Benji Fisher: If you're looking at the 596 00:56:46.330 --> 00:56:47.740 Benji Fisher: the delete form 597 00:56:49.130 --> 00:56:51.980 Benji Fisher: you have home, and then you have the page 598 00:56:51.990 --> 00:56:53.390 Benji Fisher: the previous screenshot. 599 00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:58.600 Benji Fisher: After this issue. We have a much longer bread problem 600 00:56:58.650 --> 00:57:03.510 Benji Fisher: because we've changed the path. So we get from home administration of content. 601 00:57:03.830 --> 00:57:05.360 Benji Fisher: Custom blocks. 602 00:57:09.250 --> 00:57:20.350 Aaron McHale: I had a little giggle to myself when I first saw those screenshots, because I thought I knew exactly when you take those screenshots I was after the last visibility meeting. That was that. 603 00:57:20.650 --> 00:57:21.500 Benji Fisher: Okay? 604 00:57:22.150 --> 00:57:27.990 Benji Fisher: So yeah, I I've done some work on this. I think it's it's pretty close. 605 00:57:28.310 --> 00:57:35.140 Benji Fisher: We're sort of in the weeds about creating the redirect. If someone happens to use. 606 00:57:35.470 --> 00:57:39.530 Benji Fisher: Someone happens to have a bookmark for the old URL 607 00:57:39.830 --> 00:57:42.500 Benji Fisher: getting them redirected to the new one. 608 00:57:45.120 --> 00:57:47.390 Benji Fisher: Is there anything worth discussing on this? 609 00:57:50.740 --> 00:58:05.290 Aaron McHale: I I guess the only thing is that's in the back of my head with this is I sort of. I I think it was because I create this issue, and then, but I know it's went through to have a run of changes, but I so I think it was me that proposed that we just changed the paths rather than like 610 00:58:06.250 --> 00:58:11.450 Aaron McHale: trying to do something with bread from. you know, fundamentally change the path to blocks. 611 00:58:11.870 --> 00:58:22.950 Aaron McHale: And i'm aware that that is kind of deviating from what we do for me or other. You know other things in court, but I was hopeful that it could sort of set a precedent where 612 00:58:23.060 --> 00:58:23.920 Aaron McHale: we 613 00:58:24.120 --> 00:58:30.110 Aaron McHale: provide more use of breadcrumbs for other things like media. You know, Block is a 614 00:58:30.130 --> 00:58:34.960 Aaron McHale: special case because you you can't. You know you never view a block 615 00:58:35.220 --> 00:58:41.710 Aaron McHale: on its own in the front end, where it is, you could with Media, and you certainly do with nodes and 616 00:58:42.650 --> 00:58:44.510 text on the me and other things. 617 00:58:44.580 --> 00:58:50.100 Aaron McHale: So. in a way, this is a good case for sessing a precedent. But 618 00:58:50.130 --> 00:59:00.580 Aaron McHale: breadcrumbs should be more useful across the board, and we find ways to do that, and I I don't know how we then translate this to to other things that do actually need to have a front end view. 619 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.290 Aaron McHale: but also like this back end admin type view. 620 00:59:07.350 --> 00:59:13.530 Benji Fisher: So I think you didn't actually create this issue. It was graded by Andy Post in 2,004, 621 00:59:13.600 --> 00:59:18.980 Aaron McHale: but I I' a lot of updates to it. Then I I have a I have a feeling like 622 00:59:19.140 --> 00:59:26.720 Aaron McHale: cause those screenshots. Some of the Scriptures are definitely ones I created. And I I do remember like post, a lot of that issue summary text. That's right there. 623 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:33.390 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I I I agree with that. And and i'm pretty sure you're the one who put it on the current track, saying that 624 00:59:34.040 --> 00:59:44.070 Benji Fisher: we we we should not be overwriting the bread from. We should be changing the path and using the 625 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.410 Aaron McHale: and the other issue I've been working on 626 00:59:47.690 --> 00:59:51.210 Benji Fisher: recently is 331 8 1 1 2, 627 00:59:51.790 --> 00:59:55.790 Benji Fisher: to move block way up from structure to appearance. 628 00:59:57.040 --> 01:00:06.820 Benji Fisher: and I've already referred to this. and i'll just have a quick look at the screenshots. Currently. Block Layout is in the Admin menu directly under structure. 629 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.810 Benji Fisher: The proposal is to put it under appearance and make corresponding changes to the path. 630 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:21.590 Benji Fisher: and I I think this one is pretty close to being done, except for 631 01:00:23.190 --> 01:00:25.960 Benji Fisher: the the details of the redirects. 632 01:00:32.750 --> 01:00:39.300 Ralf Koller: Only once, once, like detail, we've touched last week already. 633 01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:48.380 Ralf Koller: Would it make sense in that follow up issue, or I'm not sure how complicated it is to change it in the issue 634 01:00:48.450 --> 01:00:54.220 Ralf Koller: to change the order of the tabs. What we've set moving the update to the right. 635 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.300 Ralf Koller: So it it reads list block layout settings update. 636 01:01:00.710 --> 01:01:08.840 Benji Fisher: Yeah. Technically, it it would be easy to put update at the end. It's a question of scope. 637 01:01:10.670 --> 01:01:18.990 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I I suppose I I could update the Merge request to do that, and the your viewers 638 01:01:19.460 --> 01:01:24.140 Benji Fisher: complain that it's out of scope. I can take it out, but that technically it's a very easy change. 639 01:01:24.930 --> 01:01:35.250 Aaron McHale: I think the the placement of the block layer tab itself is probably still in scope. So like putting that before update, because you're just setting the weight of that tab is 640 01:01:35.690 --> 01:01:37.580 Aaron McHale: assuming that the weights are 641 01:01:37.640 --> 01:01:41.180 Aaron McHale: assuming that the way of update isn't 0. 642 01:01:41.370 --> 01:01:49.640 Aaron McHale: But that's probably doable. I yeah. Personally, I would say like, if we wanted to move, update after settings, we probably should do that in a separate issue. 643 01:01:50.340 --> 01:02:03.250 Quynh Pham: I I really want to have block layout next to settings, because those are the 2 that have the consistent subtap structure. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, okay, that's why I put it there. Yes, I like this setting, too, because it is 644 01:02:03.370 --> 01:02:12.110 Quynh Pham: it's belong to the grouping designing group appearing next to the I'll lay out block layout. 645 01:02:12.410 --> 01:02:13.330 Quynh Pham: but 646 01:02:13.720 --> 01:02:18.060 Quynh Pham: is create more steps. When, for example, if you want to add 647 01:02:18.170 --> 01:02:20.600 Quynh Pham: some block, and you want to see. 648 01:02:20.620 --> 01:02:24.350 Quynh Pham: because it lay out. You have to go back to the appearance, and 649 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.710 Quynh Pham: it just yeah. it's a prone concept. 650 01:02:34.810 --> 01:02:39.550 Benji Fisher: Okay. So I I think the the important thing is to get this issue 651 01:02:40.660 --> 01:02:41.480 Benji Fisher: done. 652 01:02:42.030 --> 01:02:46.370 Benji Fisher: So we really have to resolve this 653 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:55.890 Benji Fisher: about whether to make it block or block, content or content block, and I think we've made a lot of progress on that. 654 01:02:56.300 --> 01:03:00.110 Benji Fisher: Who's going to be moving the issue forward? 655 01:03:00.700 --> 01:03:06.500 Benji Fisher: Is this something that I I need to get into the code on, or Aaron, will you? 656 01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:14.170 Aaron McHale: I'm gonna post. I'm going to comment on the issue because there were and 657 01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:25.290 Aaron McHale: I I was already started this right? So yeah, i'll. I'll do that. I think I don't remember who exactly was. 658 01:03:25.330 --> 01:03:30.890 Aaron McHale: Was it, Steven? That was actually doing changes? I think so. Probably. Yeah. 659 01:03:32.310 --> 01:03:33.950 Aaron McHale: Have you 660 01:03:34.630 --> 01:03:42.210 Aaron McHale: have you done anything in this issue? I'm: just wondering if we if we have someone who can our TV see it, because i'm, I wouldn't feel comfortable on TV seeing it 661 01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:46.040 Aaron McHale: after being. as in getting into some of these slides 662 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.920 Benji Fisher: well searching for my name on the page. 663 01:03:51.230 --> 01:03:56.340 Benji Fisher: It looks like I have not made any comments at all on this. So yes, I'm: I'm available to you this 664 01:03:56.510 --> 01:03:59.170 Aaron McHale: excellent okay. I'll. 665 01:03:59.370 --> 01:04:01.330 Aaron McHale: I guess ping you when it's 666 01:04:01.600 --> 01:04:02.440 Aaron McHale: ready. 667 01:04:03.120 --> 01:04:03.930 Ralf Koller: So 668 01:04:04.290 --> 01:04:10.040 Ralf Koller: the chest and would be basically to move it back from block content type to 669 01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:14.440 Ralf Koller: block type. And so basically reverting the latest 670 01:04:14.660 --> 01:04:16.300 Ralf Koller: comment by Steven. 671 01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:25.850 Aaron McHale: Yeah. And I think it was only updated on the at right now on one in one place it should be quick to remember that 672 01:04:26.010 --> 01:04:29.110 Aaron McHale: it was kind of pending that discussion being result. 673 01:04:31.520 --> 01:04:36.100 Benji Fisher: Okay, we are running up against the end of the hour. 674 01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:38.600 Benji Fisher: I think 675 01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:44.960 Benji Fisher: I think it was great to have this discussion and let's. Let's try to get this issue 676 01:04:45.240 --> 01:04:48.630 Benji Fisher: finished off as soon as we possibly can. 677 01:04:49.710 --> 01:04:50.420 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 678 01:04:52.350 --> 01:04:53.890 Ralf Koller: and one 679 01:04:53.960 --> 01:05:05.970 Ralf Koller: one small detail on the other. Issue. My, i'm not sure if that has to be ready for Alpha one. but the help page. One might be also 680 01:05:06.110 --> 01:05:12.260 Ralf Koller: important, especially in in particular, with reverting back to block type. 681 01:05:13.160 --> 01:05:19.660 Ralf Koller: making it more clear in that in the text the difference between the different content blocks 682 01:05:19.850 --> 01:05:21.090 Ralf Koller: might be. 683 01:05:21.620 --> 01:05:31.720 Ralf Koller: He was full of necessary if it's not changing paths, and it's not blocking other issues, and it can probably be done after the Alpha comes out. Okay, cool. 684 01:05:34.170 --> 01:05:37.080 Benji Fisher: Okay. Any last words. 685 01:05:40.010 --> 01:05:43.060 Benji Fisher: thank you all. And I will be here again next week. 686 01:05:43.900 --> 01:05:46.340 Aaron McHale: Thanks. Everyone have a good weekend. 687 01:05:46.530 --> 01:05:48.700 Quynh Pham: Thank you. Everyone. Yeah, maybe.