WEBVTT 39 00:06:18.930 --> 00:06:30.060 Benji Fisher: Welcome! This is the drupal usability meeting for Bay 26, 2,023, and then you for sharing my screen. and also present our offer shall. And Ralph Kohler. 40 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:36.750 Benji Fisher: The issue for today's meeting is 3, 3, 6, 1, 5, 2, 6, 41 00:06:37.170 --> 00:06:39.830 Benji Fisher: and one request 42 00:06:40.420 --> 00:06:42.810 Benji Fisher: was to look at the 43 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:49.429 Benji Fisher: 777 back port of the project. Messaging feature. 44 00:06:50.830 --> 00:06:54.830 Benji Fisher: So that is issue 335, 45 00:06:55.060 --> 00:06:57.369 Benji Fisher: 7, 7 0 7 46 00:06:58.310 --> 00:07:02.149 Benji Fisher: and just, 47 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:07.930 Benji Fisher: you know, open a copy of that tab, so I can have one scroll to the top. 48 00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:13.439 Benji Fisher: That's the 49 00:07:14.490 --> 00:07:21.140 Benji Fisher: I think the Usability review that was requested is fairly limited. 50 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.229 Benji Fisher: we can ask 51 00:07:25.530 --> 00:07:28.960 Benji Fisher: review of the placement of the new link with the icon. 52 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.880 Benji Fisher: because it is different in drupal 7 versus people. 10. This is the paragraph I'm reading. 53 00:07:36.570 --> 00:07:40.260 Benji Fisher: so I 54 00:07:40.540 --> 00:07:45.129 Benji Fisher: I haven't looked to 777 much recently, but I have a fresh install here. 55 00:07:46.190 --> 00:07:50.709 Benji Fisher: And I've checked out the 56 00:07:50.740 --> 00:07:55.869 Benji Fisher: Merch request for this issue. First thing of course, we have to do 57 00:07:56.180 --> 00:07:59.309 Benji Fisher: is uninstall. The overlay module. 58 00:08:00.810 --> 00:08:06.040 Benji Fisher: and the other thing we have to do is, install the announcements module. 59 00:08:09.530 --> 00:08:12.159 Benji Fisher: I remember back in the day one of the 60 00:08:14.170 --> 00:08:21.709 Benji Fisher: sample fresh commands, and the documentation was the to command called on the suck. 61 00:08:21.870 --> 00:08:26.820 Benji Fisher: and one of the things it did was uninstall the overlay module. That's how popular it was. 62 00:08:27.610 --> 00:08:38.960 Benji Fisher: so let's see now that it's enabled. We have links to help and permissions. and I see 63 00:08:39.740 --> 00:08:45.520 Benji Fisher: in the toolbar. there's 64 00:08:46.740 --> 00:08:51.280 Benji Fisher: a link for it. Can you see the hover text in the 65 00:08:51.370 --> 00:08:53.310 Benji Fisher: zoom. 66 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:54.850 Ralf Koller: No? 67 00:08:55.830 --> 00:09:03.290 Benji Fisher: Okay, well, I I can see it. It says, announcements and updates posted by the triple.org community period. 68 00:09:05.390 --> 00:09:09.510 Benji Fisher: I suppose I could. And then, inspector. 69 00:09:13.580 --> 00:09:14.580 Benji Fisher: This 70 00:09:15.650 --> 00:09:17.110 Benji Fisher: title text. 71 00:09:17.270 --> 00:09:20.040 Benji Fisher: of course, is what what? I was just reading. 72 00:09:23.860 --> 00:09:30.320 Benji Fisher: permissions. 73 00:09:32.130 --> 00:09:38.880 Benji Fisher: Do you? Official announcements related to triple by default? The administrator has that permission. 74 00:09:39.850 --> 00:09:41.980 Benji Fisher: the help module 75 00:09:43.130 --> 00:09:44.570 Benji Fisher: for the help page. 76 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:53.299 Benji Fisher: The announcement module displays announcements from the tuple community for more information. See the online documentation for the announcements, module 77 00:09:54.430 --> 00:10:01.499 Benji Fisher: uses, accessing announcements, users with the quote, few jupal org announcements and quote permission. 78 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:08.519 Benji Fisher: they click on the announcements. Item in the administration toolbar to see all announcements relevant to the triple version of your site. 79 00:10:09.650 --> 00:10:15.710 Benji Fisher: there are 2 admin pages. One is the permissions before you look at 80 00:10:16.270 --> 00:10:17.380 and the other 81 00:10:18.430 --> 00:10:19.670 Benji Fisher: is 82 00:10:20.590 --> 00:10:25.949 Benji Fisher: slash admin slash announcement feed, which I guess is also where this goes. 83 00:10:26.980 --> 00:10:27.830 Benji Fisher: Yes. 84 00:10:29.920 --> 00:10:37.339 Benji Fisher: and some recent announcements, 1110.0 is available. 85 00:10:37.590 --> 00:10:43.260 Benji Fisher: What to expect from the announcement seeds contribute to drupal and the open web. 86 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:49.560 Ofer Shaal: is there a functional? I don't know if they in the new version, in 87 00:10:49.890 --> 00:10:56.270 Ofer Shaal: the recent drupal version there is. Do you see new announcement versus older announcement. Is there any 88 00:10:56.970 --> 00:10:58.330 Ofer Shaal: anything like that? 89 00:10:58.780 --> 00:11:02.819 Benji Fisher: I don't know. Offend? I should be able to 90 00:11:04.400 --> 00:11:06.910 Benji Fisher: that up through poll 91 00:11:09.170 --> 00:11:11.159 Benji Fisher: and site pretty quickly 92 00:11:16.680 --> 00:11:18.259 Benji Fisher: answer that question. 93 00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:30.720 Ofer Shaal: And do you know, did they mention about the drupal 7 version? Are there any differences in the behavior or the visual 94 00:11:30.770 --> 00:11:34.160 Ofer Shaal: convert to duple 10 allowance with module. 95 00:11:35.760 --> 00:11:41.750 Benji Fisher: It didn't save very much on the issue about differences. 96 00:11:44.980 --> 00:11:48.100 Benji Fisher: but we can see for ourselves just a second. 97 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.840 Benji Fisher: Oh, and I guess I probably have to. 98 00:11:58.710 --> 00:11:59.380 It's 99 00:12:01.010 --> 00:12:01.780 Benji Fisher: oh. 100 00:12:03.640 --> 00:12:06.110 Benji Fisher: I did not guess the 101 00:12:06.860 --> 00:12:07.930 Benji Fisher: name 102 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:11.729 Benji Fisher: would be under experimental. 103 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:29.550 Benji Fisher: So let's see 104 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.099 Benji Fisher: now, since underscore feed is the machine name? 105 00:12:35.700 --> 00:12:37.350 Ofer Shaal: yeah. 106 00:12:37.370 --> 00:12:44.750 Ofer Shaal: One difference I see right away is, the announcement is on the right versus next to at next to the many on the left 107 00:12:44.770 --> 00:12:46.110 Ofer Shaal: in. 108 00:12:46.880 --> 00:12:47.690 Benji Fisher: Yes. 109 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:56.400 Ofer Shaal: they could. Size actually. Oh, they did that on Jupel 7. They have a low admin and log out on the right side. 110 00:12:56.800 --> 00:12:59.299 Ofer Shaal: So maybe it does make sense. 111 00:12:59.960 --> 00:13:04.219 Benji Fisher: And and I think that is pretty much the question 112 00:13:05.010 --> 00:13:09.810 Benji Fisher: So for the Usability review. 113 00:13:10.900 --> 00:13:15.409 Benji Fisher: we ask for a review of the placement of the new link with the Icon 114 00:13:15.450 --> 00:13:18.140 Benji Fisher: is, it is different in d. 7 versus t. 10. 115 00:13:18.250 --> 00:13:25.739 Benji Fisher: So so the difference that you noticed is exactly what I hope your 10 is asking us to review here. 116 00:13:26.930 --> 00:13:41.229 Benji Fisher: As for different other differences we have the settings, tray area and 1110, and it uses that I wonder if I right click on it and open a new tab. 117 00:13:41.880 --> 00:13:51.450 Benji Fisher: Yeah, that's not very pretty. I do get a a separate page which is closer to what I have in 118 00:13:52.270 --> 00:14:01.849 Benji Fisher: and I guess I see the same announcements 119 00:14:03.670 --> 00:14:14.059 Benji Fisher: through Tuple, 10.0 point that was available reading bottom top. What to expect from the Nancy and contribute to people in the open web? 120 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:19.380 Benji Fisher: questions, Ralph. 121 00:14:21.950 --> 00:14:25.450 Ralf Koller: Not a question, but one slight worry. 122 00:14:26.850 --> 00:14:29.670 Ralf Koller: it looks like that. The 123 00:14:29.830 --> 00:14:34.799 Ralf Koller: announcements feat is identical between 777 and Google 10. 124 00:14:34.930 --> 00:14:36.810 Ralf Koller: And I won the 125 00:14:37.300 --> 00:14:44.339 Ralf Koller: if it wouldn't make sense from an editorial perspective and also from the perspective of the interest of the different 126 00:14:44.800 --> 00:14:51.529 Ralf Koller: target groups. People are who are still on 777, and people who are already on 10 127 00:14:51.730 --> 00:14:56.120 Ralf Koller: to have 2 separate 128 00:14:56.280 --> 00:14:57.919 Ralf Koller: seats, basically 129 00:14:58.060 --> 00:15:00.759 Ralf Koller: with sort of different 130 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:03.780 Ralf Koller: focuses. 131 00:15:05.410 --> 00:15:10.040 Benji Fisher: That's certainly true and and sort of the glaring example of that 132 00:15:10.230 --> 00:15:22.720 Benji Fisher: is that By this July there's supposed to be an announcement as to whether or triple seven's end of life will be extended for another year. 133 00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:35.649 Benji Fisher: and rumor has it that there will be an announcement made a month earlier at tuple con and that's certainly something that we would want to, you know some and feed for a 777 site. 134 00:15:35.660 --> 00:15:39.139 Benji Fisher: and it's pretty irrelevant for a tuple 10 site. 135 00:15:40.060 --> 00:15:42.190 Ofer Shaal: Good idea. 136 00:15:45.550 --> 00:15:48.600 Benji Fisher: if I remember correctly. 137 00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:58.580 Benji Fisher: from the the last time I looked at the code. there! There is a way to indicate which announcements are relevant for which 138 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:05.669 Benji Fisher: So the the current announcements don't have any 139 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:11.960 Benji Fisher: such distinction. but unless they've taken that feature out, I I I believe. 140 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:18.690 Benji Fisher: I I believe there is a field saying which versions of people to show it, for 141 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:22.629 Ralf Koller: it was good, mostly. Good. Yeah. 142 00:16:28.950 --> 00:16:32.530 Ralf Koller: And one detail I'm not sure about 143 00:16:32.990 --> 00:16:35.920 Ralf Koller: if it works on 1110, 144 00:16:36.660 --> 00:16:42.819 Ralf Koller: but with 777 here. You've installed it right now. And those 3 145 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.040 Ralf Koller: messages are basically new for you. 146 00:16:46.460 --> 00:16:57.230 Ralf Koller: there's no indication in the menu item for announcements that there is a new 147 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:09.360 Ralf Koller: message. And you basically wouldn't notice if a new message is available there. and it would go unnoticed. And I'm not sure if there is some sort of sign. 148 00:17:09.550 --> 00:17:11.189 Ralf Koller: like a one or 2 149 00:17:11.210 --> 00:17:14.860 Ralf Koller: in red. It was a guess in group of 10. 150 00:17:15.010 --> 00:17:19.519 Ralf Koller: If I'm a completely wrong, and if it's the same thing in 2,007. 151 00:17:21.990 --> 00:17:31.889 Benji Fisher: So we've that is something we brought up. When we reviewed the announcement. before it went into 1110, 152 00:17:32.410 --> 00:17:37.770 Benji Fisher: and that recommendation was not followed. Oh. 153 00:17:38.730 --> 00:17:39.630 Benji Fisher: I 154 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:45.210 Benji Fisher: unless I'm 155 00:17:46.430 --> 00:17:52.930 Benji Fisher: this remembering something. this. This is just what it looked like when I enable the module. 156 00:17:56.620 --> 00:17:57.930 Benji Fisher: if 157 00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:06.270 Benji Fisher: if you like. I could reinstall this people 10 site and and and try again. But I'm I'm pretty sure 158 00:18:06.340 --> 00:18:10.940 Benji Fisher: that there is no indication of the number of new announcements. 159 00:18:17.780 --> 00:18:23.090 Benji Fisher: so the feedback they're specifically looking for is the the placement of the link. 160 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:41.759 Benji Fisher: I suppose if we thought it was a big improvement. We could ask to move it over 161 00:18:42.450 --> 00:18:45.980 Benji Fisher: along with the the user menu. And 162 00:18:47.520 --> 00:18:49.260 Benji Fisher: I guess that's what this is both. 163 00:18:49.360 --> 00:18:54.670 Benji Fisher: Hello, Admin. I don't remember it saying Hello, and the log out link 164 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:04.340 Benji Fisher: And currently 165 00:19:04.470 --> 00:19:05.930 Benji Fisher: it is 166 00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:19.940 Benji Fisher: to the right of all the other links in the Admin menu. and it is has. you know, sort of reverse coloring. It has a gray background which none of the other links has. 167 00:19:20.600 --> 00:19:32.980 Benji Fisher: how does that compare to 210? it's only distinguished by its position. 168 00:19:40.050 --> 00:19:45.340 Benji Fisher: And I guess why? Why is it underlined? Is that because I I click on it? 169 00:19:47.080 --> 00:19:52.149 Benji Fisher: If I reload the page, it's still there. Yeah, that that's what it is. 170 00:19:57.580 --> 00:20:05.809 Benji Fisher: so any thoughts on placement of the link. 171 00:20:12.110 --> 00:20:15.229 Ofer Shaal: I think it just makes 172 00:20:16.580 --> 00:20:22.580 Ofer Shaal: make sense with the existing menu. Jupal, 7 users Admins. I used to. 173 00:20:24.090 --> 00:20:35.300 Ofer Shaal: I would just make sure. Maybe this. But that's a tiny detail, you know. There's more space between help and announcement just like this space between the other menu items. 174 00:20:35.570 --> 00:20:38.760 Ofer Shaal: But otherwise I think it's fine. 175 00:20:40.990 --> 00:20:44.539 Benji Fisher: Let's see if I can play with my browser tools. 176 00:20:44.800 --> 00:20:53.900 Benji Fisher: I suspect that what's going on is that the the padding, or or whatever that introduces the great background. 177 00:20:54.280 --> 00:20:58.500 Benji Fisher: is is using up some of that space. 178 00:20:59.120 --> 00:21:03.300 Ofer Shaal: And oh, it's position absolute. Okay? 179 00:21:03.430 --> 00:21:06.260 Ofer Shaal: Or maybe that's just the just the icon. 180 00:21:22.510 --> 00:21:26.899 Ofer Shaal: Yeah. The padding left is probably just not related to the other thing? 181 00:21:27.740 --> 00:21:32.999 Ofer Shaal: No, that's not it. Can you do it? The AI. Can you click on that? 182 00:21:33.990 --> 00:21:35.269 Ofer Shaal: Which one was it? 183 00:21:35.910 --> 00:21:38.379 Ofer Shaal: Oh, without the the background? 184 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:47.590 Benji Fisher: Yeah. Oh, that. That's that's an awfully detailed selector. 185 00:21:47.660 --> 00:22:02.020 Benji Fisher: to our div dot toolbar menu ul alli that active trail anchor. So yeah, if I disable the gray background, then I think the spacing is consistent. 186 00:22:04.980 --> 00:22:13.450 Ofer Shaal: might need a margin instead of padding. 187 00:22:14.450 --> 00:22:18.359 Ofer Shaal: or it needs padding, but it also need margin, probably for 188 00:22:23.950 --> 00:22:24.750 Benji Fisher: okay. 189 00:22:29.820 --> 00:22:34.600 Ralf Koller: I think I had 3 with over. 190 00:22:35.560 --> 00:22:46.810 Ralf Koller: Basically, I like it more in the context of 1110, with the announcements on the right side. But that would collide with the Hello Admin and log out there at the moment. So 191 00:22:47.040 --> 00:22:52.109 Ralf Koller: having it on the left in the row of available menu items, it's the better 192 00:22:52.370 --> 00:22:54.120 Ralf Koller: choice. Basically 193 00:22:56.130 --> 00:23:08.200 Benji Fisher: okay, of course, there, there, there's always a problem that when we're looking at a a particular issue, we are biased to think about that. And and we 194 00:23:08.250 --> 00:23:13.260 Benji Fisher: and and and the biases that that we, we think this is more important than 195 00:23:13.270 --> 00:23:15.140 Benji Fisher: we would at any other time. 196 00:23:15.550 --> 00:23:19.850 Benji Fisher: are we giving it too much prominence. 197 00:23:26.320 --> 00:23:29.060 Benji Fisher: The the order of the toolbar 198 00:23:29.520 --> 00:23:31.800 Ralf Koller: well items is 199 00:23:31.990 --> 00:23:34.310 Benji Fisher: certainly not alphabetical. 200 00:23:34.700 --> 00:23:48.229 Benji Fisher: help is on the far right, and then this is even further to the right, and it has the gray background, and it has the the icon 201 00:23:48.510 --> 00:23:55.739 Benji Fisher: None of the others has an icon, except for the home link, which just has an icon. 202 00:23:55.750 --> 00:23:59.549 Benji Fisher: Oh, I wonder if I squish things together? 203 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.280 Benji Fisher: it wraps. 204 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.099 Benji Fisher: We don't have, you know. 205 00:24:07.430 --> 00:24:11.820 Benji Fisher: responsive behavior where it shows just an icon and narrow screens. 206 00:24:13.780 --> 00:24:17.120 Benji Fisher: Does it stand up too much? 207 00:24:23.290 --> 00:24:28.170 Benji Fisher: If we remove the gray background for a little, for example? 208 00:24:28.560 --> 00:24:38.929 Benji Fisher: Then it would be less clear that the icon is related. The word announcements, although I think it's still pretty closely related 209 00:24:38.970 --> 00:24:43.330 Benji Fisher: removing the gray background would fix the spacing 210 00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:46.390 and 211 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.819 Benji Fisher: increase the contrast. I think. 212 00:24:51.930 --> 00:25:01.670 Benji Fisher: and I see that Thomas has joined us. Welcome. 213 00:25:02.060 --> 00:25:03.119 Benji Fisher: It's been a while. 214 00:25:03.320 --> 00:25:06.099 Thomas: hey? Either. Everyone. Sorry. 215 00:25:07.540 --> 00:25:08.440 Ralf Koller: I almost 216 00:25:11.530 --> 00:25:23.860 Benji Fisher: so. We are discussing the announcements. Module for 777 It was recently added as an experimental module to 1110 217 00:25:24.580 --> 00:25:29.829 Benji Fisher: and it will be in available in 1110.1 when it's released next month. 218 00:25:30.230 --> 00:25:37.049 Benji Fisher: and there's an issue to make a back port to 777. And that's we're looking at. Now. This is 219 00:25:37.410 --> 00:25:41.530 Benji Fisher: you. You you may recognize the 220 00:25:41.890 --> 00:25:44.210 Benji Fisher: not the barte, the the 7 team 221 00:25:46.930 --> 00:25:53.830 Benji Fisher: And so we're discussing the usability of this link up here. 222 00:25:56.590 --> 00:25:58.050 Thomas: cool, thank you. 223 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:07.200 Benji Fisher: So I'm thinking that that 224 00:26:08.030 --> 00:26:11.939 Benji Fisher: ray background is more trouble than it's worth. 225 00:26:13.030 --> 00:26:14.310 Benji Fisher: Agree, disagree. 226 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:16.939 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Ralph. 227 00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:21.779 Ralf Koller: I've also added to the chat. 228 00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:28.249 Ralf Koller: that it create a background has basically has a problem with color contrast. 229 00:26:28.420 --> 00:26:29.430 Ralf Koller: probably. 230 00:26:29.820 --> 00:26:37.510 Benji Fisher: And you wrote white typo on great background. So you made the typo. 231 00:26:39.150 --> 00:26:42.780 Benji Fisher: Yes, there, there's less contrast. 232 00:26:43.350 --> 00:26:52.269 Ofer Shaal: it looks much nice. I think it looks like this is, I think announcement shouldn't be 233 00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:53.870 Ofer Shaal: so loud 234 00:26:54.280 --> 00:27:03.580 Ofer Shaal: right like they. They're there, and I think, without the great background. They already have an icon which nothing else have icons there? 235 00:27:03.970 --> 00:27:13.419 Ralf Koller: yeah. So, and positioning all the way to the right. But the problem with the cray background is that basically the active 236 00:27:14.470 --> 00:27:22.370 Ralf Koller: menu item has the great background. For example, if you click on reports. Then the report says the great background. So it's not exclusive 237 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:28.430 Ralf Koller: to announcements. It's just a general behavior of 777. It looks like. 238 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:34.399 Benji Fisher: oh, so that makes sense. Because I look at that page, of course. 239 00:27:36.100 --> 00:27:36.780 Ralf Koller: But 240 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:38.930 Ralf Koller: coming back to the 241 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:55.279 Ralf Koller: I've free, thought it the positioning of a noun, and what and what you've said, Benji. the position of announcements in the context of Tuple 10 makes sense to it on the right, because there you also have when you click underneath, you have the sidebar 242 00:27:55.330 --> 00:27:57.340 Ralf Koller: swiping up 243 00:27:57.890 --> 00:27:59.010 Ralf Koller: an opening. 244 00:27:59.270 --> 00:28:04.520 Ralf Koller: that way. It makes a lot of sense. And 245 00:28:04.910 --> 00:28:12.149 Ralf Koller: taking in the context that in 777 you don't have the site. But but instead, a dedicated page 246 00:28:12.350 --> 00:28:23.450 Ralf Koller: it might make sense to move announcements even somewhere else, in the order of available 247 00:28:23.710 --> 00:28:34.400 Ralf Koller: menu items, maybe even between dashboard and content. something like that. and that it's not that prominent, maybe even without the icon. 248 00:28:34.770 --> 00:28:35.749 Ralf Koller: I'm not sure 249 00:28:38.010 --> 00:28:43.710 Ralf Koller: that's context wise. It is closer to dashboard than help from my perspective. 250 00:28:44.860 --> 00:28:48.300 Benji Fisher: Is this something that the site administrator can change 251 00:28:50.890 --> 00:28:54.100 Benji Fisher: structure and then use? 252 00:28:55.610 --> 00:28:59.760 Benji Fisher: It's not the main menu. It's the management menu, isn't it? 253 00:29:01.670 --> 00:29:02.410 Ralf Koller: Yeah. 254 00:29:05.060 --> 00:29:07.200 Benji Fisher: Close my browser tools. 255 00:29:07.750 --> 00:29:18.600 Benji Fisher: dashboard content structure. parents, modules configuration. 256 00:29:20.950 --> 00:29:21.960 Benji Fisher: Yes. 257 00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:25.850 Benji Fisher: So this is something 258 00:29:27.580 --> 00:29:30.089 Benji Fisher: that the site administrator can 259 00:29:30.590 --> 00:29:32.840 Benji Fisher: change pretty easily. 260 00:29:36.510 --> 00:29:37.830 Benji Fisher: So 261 00:29:41.090 --> 00:29:49.100 Benji Fisher: maybe it's not worth worrying too much about position, since if the site administrator doesn't like it, they can change it. 262 00:29:50.120 --> 00:29:53.310 Ralf Koller: But then there's one problem. If 263 00:29:53.620 --> 00:30:01.259 Ralf Koller: more marching up heading is added to announcements like suggested it before today. 264 00:30:01.930 --> 00:30:04.810 Ralf Koller: it might work if announcements is 265 00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:08.869 Ralf Koller: in the position. It is right now that it makes sense 266 00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:16.790 Ralf Koller: to make it more prominent. But if the site administrator moves it to another position inside the menu, then 267 00:30:17.290 --> 00:30:18.500 Ralf Koller: it would look off. 268 00:30:23.350 --> 00:30:25.290 Benji Fisher: So, for example. 269 00:30:26.430 --> 00:30:28.980 Benji Fisher: I move it above reports. 270 00:30:33.760 --> 00:30:34.980 Benji Fisher: You don't like that. 271 00:30:37.010 --> 00:30:45.009 Ralf Koller: it's at the moment it's okay. But I thought to suggest to us to add some more padding or marching to 272 00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:48.060 Ralf Koller: the announcements manual item. 273 00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:52.440 Ralf Koller: And then it might be problematic. 274 00:30:52.710 --> 00:30:53.699 Ralf Koller: I thought. 275 00:30:54.520 --> 00:31:03.590 Benji Fisher: I I think that was offers suggestion. But that's related to the gray background for the active. 276 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.449 Ralf Koller: I misunderstood sorry. 277 00:31:05.990 --> 00:31:10.690 Benji Fisher: and and that now that we realize that that is there, just for the active change. 278 00:31:10.730 --> 00:31:13.870 Benji Fisher: that's that's out of scope. 279 00:31:16.870 --> 00:31:20.450 Benji Fisher: So the current pages 280 00:31:20.820 --> 00:31:24.649 Benji Fisher: as its own high highlighting, and the men that that's appropriate 281 00:31:35.590 --> 00:31:40.200 Benji Fisher: that the Hello Admin in log log app. That's a separate menu, isn't it? 282 00:31:42.950 --> 00:31:44.700 Benji Fisher: That's the user menu. 283 00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:53.369 Benji Fisher: for example, I could switch the order to 284 00:31:55.800 --> 00:31:56.810 Benji Fisher: oh. 285 00:32:00.470 --> 00:32:01.730 Benji Fisher: well, that's odd. 286 00:32:02.990 --> 00:32:06.610 Benji Fisher: Maybe that's not the user menu. What is that? 287 00:32:07.290 --> 00:32:13.039 Benji Fisher: Oh, well, I I I shouldn't get distracted by that. I'm curious, but I I can check it out later. 288 00:32:13.370 --> 00:32:23.399 Ofer Shaal: I had a question about If there's going to be issues with 289 00:32:23.470 --> 00:32:24.760 Ofer Shaal: favorites 290 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.309 Ofer Shaal: where you can make any page, you go right. That plus, I think, next to management. 291 00:32:31.180 --> 00:32:34.119 Ofer Shaal: I think it's adding something, but I don't remember where. 292 00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:42.380 Ofer Shaal: So that's adding to shortcuts, which I collapsed earlier. Okay, so that does not polite 293 00:32:51.690 --> 00:32:52.560 for sure. 294 00:32:53.200 --> 00:33:01.320 Ofer Shaal: I don't know if we spoke about it already. Sorry about that. If yes, would it make more sense not to have the icon on announcement 295 00:33:02.530 --> 00:33:03.690 Ofer Shaal: on 7 296 00:33:06.130 --> 00:33:11.490 Benji Fisher: we. Why would it be different between 777 and drupal 10? 297 00:33:12.730 --> 00:33:28.969 Ofer Shaal: Because somehow I into in my mind the 10 when it's on the side, and it's and you know, it makes sense like that's what I would expect announcements. We're here. It's like, you know like how often like once a month, once every few months, we have an announcement like each. 298 00:33:29.090 --> 00:33:34.910 Ofer Shaal: It shouldn't be an item that just like is so permanent on. in my opinion. 299 00:33:40.010 --> 00:33:52.490 Ofer Shaal: and maybe I don't know if there is any functionality like that. When a new announcement comes how to build that disappears once you read it per user. But I don't know if that's a functionality that's there. 300 00:33:54.300 --> 00:33:58.590 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I remember discussions about that, but I I don't know where it ended up. 301 00:34:02.110 --> 00:34:08.129 Ofer Shaal: but, in my opinion, by default, having the the icon there makes it so 302 00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:09.819 Ofer Shaal: important where 303 00:34:10.100 --> 00:34:18.230 Ofer Shaal: most of the days in the working as an admin on the site. I wouldn't want to jump out like that. 304 00:34:21.929 --> 00:34:30.649 Benji Fisher: Yeah. So again, that that comes back to the question I asked earlier, is it too prominent. and you think perhaps the bell does make it too prominent. 305 00:34:31.489 --> 00:34:40.879 Ofer Shaal: Yes. I like when it's like what you made it go in the middle of the menu as one of the items 306 00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:45.570 Ofer Shaal: it behaves. Yeah, it's a little yeah, that's I like it just without the icon. 307 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.910 Benji Fisher: Let's go ahead 308 00:34:52.710 --> 00:35:00.410 Thomas: yourself. So, looking at the bell. 309 00:35:00.450 --> 00:35:04.459 Thomas: I kind of think it depends on the frequency of the announcements. 310 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:24.609 Thomas: I I tend to like an actual number. That shows you how many announcements there are to read so like a bell with a number that increments, because if you were in the future to see functionality where announcements could come from more than just D, you could see 311 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:36.319 Thomas: them sort of like emails, announcements on an almost daily basis. So it's only too prominent in a situation where you rarely see an announcement. 312 00:35:36.370 --> 00:35:44.269 Thomas: but it's not too prominent in something that's active, where you might want to have a number to indicate how many announcements are actually there. 313 00:35:47.190 --> 00:35:59.160 Benji Fisher: Yeah. And that's something that we recommended when we were reviewing the announcements module for drupal 10. Or maybe it was Group 9 at that point. that we wanted to have a number 314 00:35:59.290 --> 00:36:00.500 Benji Fisher: indicating 315 00:36:00.950 --> 00:36:07.920 Benji Fisher: unread announcements rather than just to fix spell, and that that recommendation was not followed. 316 00:36:10.100 --> 00:36:21.230 Benji Fisher: And I'm I'm not sure whether it's keeping track of red announcements. I I followed all of those links and 317 00:36:21.450 --> 00:36:28.049 Benji Fisher: and reloaded the page again. and I I don't see any difference. 318 00:36:28.520 --> 00:36:31.929 Benji Fisher: it's not as if the announcement Link 319 00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:34.919 Benji Fisher: goes away. Once you've you've read them all. 320 00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:38.670 Benji Fisher: so it's not clear that it's even tracking them 321 00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:46.540 Thomas: totally makes sense. Thank you. 322 00:36:50.170 --> 00:37:01.749 Benji Fisher: And in a sense, what we're dealing with here is that the trooper organization is behaving sort of like a marketing department. 323 00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:15.470 Benji Fisher: and they're saying we have this message that that we want to push. And so we want to introduce the announcements. Module. I I think there's a follow up issue 324 00:37:15.930 --> 00:37:19.910 Benji Fisher: to discuss how to 325 00:37:20.740 --> 00:37:24.100 Benji Fisher: how to enable it. 326 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.300 Benji Fisher: Let's look at the the parent issue, which is. 327 00:37:33.510 --> 00:37:36.920 Benji Fisher: I guess the parent issue is just the version for for Juple 10. 328 00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:49.200 Benji Fisher: But I I think so somewhere they talked about follow up issues. maybe it's this remaining tasks. Figure out if how, when, to enable it on existing sites. 329 00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:53.780 Benji Fisher: So anyway, the tuple organization. 330 00:37:53.820 --> 00:38:00.120 Benji Fisher: as these messages they want to push, and so they want to make it as intrusive 331 00:38:00.130 --> 00:38:02.330 Benji Fisher: as possible, so you'll notice it. 332 00:38:03.130 --> 00:38:05.790 Benji Fisher: And 333 00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:16.229 Benji Fisher: I don't know. Maybe we should go along with it, or or maybe we should say no, they, the side administrator, gets to decide, of course, the same administrator. 334 00:38:16.310 --> 00:38:19.430 Benji Fisher: and choose whether or not to install the module. 335 00:38:19.660 --> 00:38:23.930 Benji Fisher: and reposition the menu item 336 00:38:24.230 --> 00:38:39.819 Benji Fisher: or disable the menu item. So the side administrator has a lot of control. We're not actually forcing anything on them except by defaults. and Thomas writes in the chat as it stands, I would likely disable announcements. 337 00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:45.050 Benji Fisher: If this is all it does. maybe it has value for folks new to triple. 338 00:38:47.160 --> 00:38:47.950 Benji Fisher: Okay? 339 00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:02.159 Benji Fisher: So of course, once you disable it all these questions about whether the icon is drawing too much attention to it or not, they come moved 340 00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:04.499 Benji Fisher: because it just won't be there. 341 00:39:05.910 --> 00:39:14.329 Thomas: I think the term when you said it. It's kind of a marketing thing that made things click for me. 342 00:39:14.650 --> 00:39:18.359 Thomas: If announcements are a marketing tool to push 343 00:39:18.510 --> 00:39:25.679 Thomas: marketing messages, then it doesn't have a lot of value for enterprise websites. 344 00:39:26.200 --> 00:39:41.109 Thomas: The the value in the module is, if it's providing critical information in just in time format, and that's why you'd want it to be highly visible. You'd want to have the bell 345 00:39:41.300 --> 00:39:46.269 Thomas: for any 346 00:39:46.330 --> 00:39:51.740 Thomas: marketing, and I remember seeing stuff like that on purpose, like 347 00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:53.210 Thomas: years ago. 348 00:39:53.470 --> 00:39:58.260 Thomas: If it's a marketing thing, then I would disable it personally, and a lot of my 349 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:03.060 Thomas: suggestions for or against become moved because I just wouldn't use it. 350 00:40:04.210 --> 00:40:04.950 Benji Fisher: Right? 351 00:40:13.150 --> 00:40:19.749 Benji Fisher: So let's let's try to wrap this discussion up and decide what our recommendations are going to be 352 00:40:20.080 --> 00:40:26.009 Benji Fisher: who thinks that we should 353 00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.650 Benji Fisher: not have the icon at all. 354 00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:35.510 Benji Fisher: I see it comes up from Ralph 355 00:40:37.180 --> 00:40:41.590 Ofer Shaal: and a thumbs up. 356 00:40:42.660 --> 00:40:43.640 Benji Fisher: Okay? 357 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:48.029 Benji Fisher: So so so we all agree that. 358 00:40:48.620 --> 00:40:55.700 Benji Fisher: that the the icon makes it too prominent, we should be consistent with the other links. Okay. 359 00:40:56.200 --> 00:41:01.610 Benji Fisher: positioning it. 360 00:41:01.870 --> 00:41:04.209 Benji Fisher: to the far right. 361 00:41:04.910 --> 00:41:16.709 Benji Fisher: I suppose you have to position it somewhere. How is? How is that controlled? 362 00:41:17.260 --> 00:41:20.699 Benji Fisher: I guess it's in the 363 00:41:21.180 --> 00:41:25.589 Benji Fisher: management menu. If I show row weights 364 00:41:26.330 --> 00:41:32.800 Benji Fisher: within the administration venue. Everything has a weight. 365 00:41:34.140 --> 00:41:41.270 Benji Fisher: So dashboard is minus 63 content, minus 62 structure minus 61. But I guess 366 00:41:43.100 --> 00:41:49.580 Benji Fisher: those sort of automatically got assigned when when I mused with it. So I I'm not looking at the default values here. 367 00:41:50.720 --> 00:42:00.509 Benji Fisher: Ralph asks in in slack. You mean far right to the user menu or management menu. I I mentioned the management menu. 368 00:42:01.310 --> 00:42:05.030 Benji Fisher: So so by default. 369 00:42:06.430 --> 00:42:07.200 Benji Fisher: maybe all 370 00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:10.069 Benji Fisher: go back to the click and drag interface 371 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.619 Benji Fisher: by default, it shows up 372 00:42:18.580 --> 00:42:19.670 Benji Fisher: right here. 373 00:42:19.710 --> 00:42:24.170 Benji Fisher: I must go ahead. 374 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:36.700 Thomas: But I would not want it all the way to the right, because the dominant mental model is to have help to the far right in almost every application I know. 375 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:41.700 Thomas: but maybe one to the left of help would be my recommendation. 376 00:42:50.650 --> 00:42:52.180 Benji Fisher: agree, disagree. 377 00:42:53.300 --> 00:42:54.570 Benji Fisher: Ralph. 378 00:42:57.380 --> 00:42:59.810 Benji Fisher: I I think I agree with 379 00:43:00.950 --> 00:43:02.290 Benji Fisher: with Thomas that 380 00:43:03.490 --> 00:43:07.270 Benji Fisher: it it should not have more prominence than than the help link 381 00:43:08.430 --> 00:43:15.619 Benji Fisher: and Ralph and Slack suggests either next to dashboard or an extra reports would make sense 382 00:43:15.640 --> 00:43:16.900 Benji Fisher: semantically. 383 00:43:18.810 --> 00:43:21.730 Ofer Shaal: Yeah, I I like it. When it was before 384 00:43:21.860 --> 00:43:23.550 Ofer Shaal: to the left to reports. 385 00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:30.980 Benji Fisher: Okay. 386 00:43:32.370 --> 00:43:38.189 Benji Fisher: actually make that his recommendation. No, icon. and put it to the left of reports. 387 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.150 Ralf Koller: could you just move it 388 00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:47.600 Ralf Koller: left of reports and safe for a second. 389 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:48.720 Benji Fisher: Sure. 390 00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:50.469 Ralf Koller: So we see them. 391 00:43:56.820 --> 00:44:02.450 Benji Fisher: and Thomas says in chat, it's a flow value to me, and things to the far left are most used. 392 00:44:02.680 --> 00:44:12.750 Benji Fisher: I I think, sort of the standard centered advice is that things at the start, and things at the end 393 00:44:12.930 --> 00:44:16.720 Benji Fisher: are are the ones that that are most remembered. 394 00:44:17.020 --> 00:44:22.909 Benji Fisher: So I think, either far left or far right. It gives it more prominence than being stuck in the middle. 395 00:44:24.380 --> 00:44:28.650 Benji Fisher: Ralph, that's where you wanted it. what do you think? 396 00:44:31.340 --> 00:44:33.910 Ralf Koller: I think? Yes, okay. 397 00:44:36.170 --> 00:44:37.420 Ralf Koller: Would give us some top. 398 00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:48.850 Benji Fisher: Okay? So we'll recommend getting rid of the icon, and putting it to the left of reports and see. 399 00:44:49.630 --> 00:44:58.630 Ralf Koller: Oh, what sort of a reaction we got! Oh, wait 1 s. Could you go to the dashboard for a second. 400 00:45:02.980 --> 00:45:11.649 Ralf Koller: I wonder why not have a widget for announcement there? That I would wait would make way more sense than in a menu item 401 00:45:15.140 --> 00:45:18.129 Ofer Shaal: read. But let's 402 00:45:18.140 --> 00:45:26.620 Ofer Shaal: would, would it? Since probably no one go to dashboard? No one will see this. A new announcement group feature, I guess. 403 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:37.980 Ofer Shaal: But it. Yeah. Might be a great place to connected as well 404 00:45:38.370 --> 00:45:44.970 Ralf Koller: was when we've discussed the D 10 version of announcements. That was also 405 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:51.079 Ralf Koller: our recommendation. that it would make way. More sense in the dashboard 406 00:45:51.700 --> 00:45:53.830 Ralf Koller: that is being redesigned. 407 00:45:55.240 --> 00:45:58.889 Ofer Shaal: Yeah, this is a new discussion about dashboard in D 10 408 00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:00.739 Ofer Shaal: and future versions. 409 00:46:01.170 --> 00:46:02.010 Ralf Koller: Yes. 410 00:46:06.670 --> 00:46:10.080 Benji Fisher: yeah, I don't see an option here. 411 00:46:13.100 --> 00:46:17.079 Benji Fisher: search for his new recent comments. This online 412 00:46:19.450 --> 00:46:23.159 Benji Fisher: Howard, by tuple shortcuts indicate the your menu. 413 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.000 Benji Fisher: Yes, by default. The dashboard just has 414 00:46:35.210 --> 00:46:36.760 Benji Fisher: these 3 blocks. 415 00:46:38.430 --> 00:46:47.870 Benji Fisher: it's it's perhaps not not a good example to have a freshly installed site. 416 00:46:48.260 --> 00:47:06.490 Benji Fisher: There's nothing much to see under. Who's new. There's nothing much to see on the recent content, you know, or or or something, at least in this block. but I I I think 417 00:47:07.610 --> 00:47:13.920 Benji Fisher: I think that's a a very reasonable recommendation for a follow up issue that they 418 00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:17.840 Benji Fisher: add a block so that it can be added to dashboard. 419 00:47:21.470 --> 00:47:24.129 Ralf Koller: Yeah, definitely out of scope for this issue. 420 00:47:24.580 --> 00:47:26.760 Benji Fisher: Right? And 421 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:43.210 Benji Fisher: And and again, we we are just talking about default here. Once the module is enabled, the site administrator can choose to rearrange the menu or disable the announcements link. 422 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.600 Benji Fisher: And 423 00:47:45.450 --> 00:47:55.010 Benji Fisher: if it's a site that uses the dashboard module, then then the side administrator can can choose to enable it there. 424 00:47:56.390 --> 00:48:07.860 Benji Fisher: Okay, I will make those recommendations on the issue. and we still have 15 min left. What should we do with that 15 min? 425 00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:16.600 Benji Fisher: Ralph, earlier was talking about something she might talk about, although maybe offer you just mentioned 426 00:48:16.730 --> 00:48:20.520 Benji Fisher: recent discussions on the dashboard. Is that something you'd like to talk about. 427 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:28.000 Ofer Shaal: I don't have enough information and details. 428 00:48:28.160 --> 00:48:34.340 Ofer Shaal: I just remember multiple discussion. I think also in the ux of what? 429 00:48:34.560 --> 00:48:50.559 Ofer Shaal: What would it look like? How should it be by default? What would be good enough? And in useful information we would like to display? Because I think the main idea is when you log in today to drupal, I think you get like slash user or something like. 430 00:48:50.570 --> 00:48:56.240 Ofer Shaal: Here's yourself, and then allow it to 431 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:03.220 Ofer Shaal: show dashboard with actual, useful information, and figuring out what is that useful information? 432 00:49:03.390 --> 00:49:09.390 Ofer Shaal: What's the discussion? But I I should go look for the discussion on Jupiter. 433 00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:12.910 Benji Fisher: Yeah. Well, maybe the future meeting. 434 00:49:13.710 --> 00:49:14.830 Ofer Shaal: Yeah. 435 00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:21.319 Benji Fisher: I I I guess I'm I'm looking at 777 now. 436 00:49:33.970 --> 00:49:35.330 Benji Fisher: I look at the 437 00:49:38.160 --> 00:49:40.099 Benji Fisher: inside, I installed 438 00:49:42.670 --> 00:49:43.770 Benji Fisher: and walk out 439 00:49:45.010 --> 00:49:46.190 Benji Fisher: log in. 440 00:49:56.500 --> 00:49:57.690 Benji Fisher: You go to your 441 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:00.930 Benji Fisher: user page. 442 00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:12.409 Ofer Shaal: Yeah, the chances are you probably don't want to see that page or or unless, you know, there's dashboard things happening here. 443 00:50:12.600 --> 00:50:13.300 But 444 00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:19.320 Ofer Shaal: that's what we thought. Like once, someone log in what should be the first thing they see 445 00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:21.770 Ofer Shaal: part of the discussion. 446 00:50:24.180 --> 00:50:28.540 Benji Fisher: Yeah. And sort of the easiest incremental change would be to 447 00:50:28.910 --> 00:50:33.199 Benji Fisher: add things to this page where we, without changing. 448 00:50:33.290 --> 00:50:34.439 Benji Fisher: where do you go? 449 00:50:37.110 --> 00:50:39.180 Ofer Shaal: Maybe I'm not sure. 450 00:50:45.190 --> 00:50:49.969 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I for my current project, I'm I'm actually thinking of doing that. 451 00:50:50.630 --> 00:50:53.079 Benji Fisher: you know. Why. 452 00:50:53.440 --> 00:51:05.550 Benji Fisher: Wi-fi, to default. You know the fault is that when you log in, you go to the user page. So I do want to have some sort of dashboard information 453 00:51:05.630 --> 00:51:09.940 Benji Fisher: for this project I'm working on. So I am thinking of just 454 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.499 Benji Fisher: putting it there on the user page. Why not 455 00:51:13.740 --> 00:51:20.779 Ofer Shaal: something I saw from a friend of mine. he likes to create these kind of pages. 456 00:51:20.790 --> 00:51:23.839 Ofer Shaal: He add to the user page 457 00:51:24.130 --> 00:51:25.750 Ofer Shaal: the actual 458 00:51:27.060 --> 00:51:29.950 Ofer Shaal: actions that user can take 459 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.450 right because everything is according to 460 00:51:32.500 --> 00:51:41.600 Ofer Shaal: permissions and everything. So instead of the big, he's add menu and good luck, you know. Find what you need there, or get used to it 461 00:51:42.100 --> 00:51:50.450 Ofer Shaal: right there in the user page, he added. Kind of, you know. Sophisticated view way. No code is his way 462 00:51:50.790 --> 00:51:54.410 Ofer Shaal: all the actions that are possible for that user to do. 463 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.180 Benji Fisher: All right. 464 00:52:19.600 --> 00:52:23.270 Benji Fisher: let's have a quick look at the 465 00:52:24.080 --> 00:52:27.740 Benji Fisher: issue for today's meeting, and there's 466 00:52:29.090 --> 00:52:30.900 Benji Fisher: a long list. 467 00:52:32.130 --> 00:52:43.349 Benji Fisher: I I think we pretty soon we well, maybe once 1110.1 is released, we'll stop carrying along the 468 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:53.540 Benji Fisher: reorganize block items. That sort of accomplished appearance page is too long and confusing. Go ahead. 469 00:52:54.100 --> 00:52:58.080 Ralf Koller: in regards of the Meta reorganized block items. 470 00:52:58.600 --> 00:53:03.770 Ralf Koller: 2 of the issues needs. 471 00:53:04.030 --> 00:53:06.189 Ralf Koller: some input, still. 472 00:53:06.410 --> 00:53:08.540 Ralf Koller: and discussions. 473 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:10.720 Benji Fisher: Okay, so 474 00:53:11.450 --> 00:53:15.660 Benji Fisher: let's just have a quick look at them. We have 10 min left. 475 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:24.989 Benji Fisher: so what about you? Wishes? the I just the block terminology, and they'll build it to align with block and block content changes. 476 00:53:25.290 --> 00:53:32.199 Ralf Koller: and also the Admin toolbar, which is still postponed because it's still not 477 00:53:32.390 --> 00:53:34.670 Ralf Koller: entirely sure if the 478 00:53:35.550 --> 00:53:42.799 Ralf Koller: not a move block lay out from structure to appearance, gets into 10.1 or not. It's our Tpc. 479 00:53:43.910 --> 00:53:52.340 Benji Fisher: okay, just for the sake of the recording, the Meta issue is 3, 3, 1, 8, 1, one, and we organize block items in the administration menu. 480 00:53:53.020 --> 00:54:04.910 Benji Fisher: And the first issue you wanted to look at was 3, 3, 1, 8, 5, 5, 8, just the block terminology and layout builder to align with block and block content changes. 481 00:54:06.060 --> 00:54:13.249 Ralf Koller: I've wrote up a comment at the end summarizing the current state. 482 00:54:14.030 --> 00:54:18.529 Ralf Koller: and they will just have to be some sort of consensus. Or to proceed. 483 00:54:19.220 --> 00:54:21.860 Benji Fisher: Okay, so let me just 484 00:54:22.130 --> 00:54:23.170 Benji Fisher: due to 485 00:54:25.310 --> 00:54:32.859 Benji Fisher: have a quick look at the Admin menu in the 1110 sites. So it's familiar to 486 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:39.749 Benji Fisher: you and me, Ralph, and then probably to offer, maybe not to Thomas. But in Tuple 10.1 487 00:54:39.990 --> 00:54:46.820 Benji Fisher: The block layout link is still there. We want to move it, but it's not going to happen in drupal 10.1. I don't think. 488 00:54:47.140 --> 00:54:53.300 Benji Fisher: We now have block types directly under structure. And and that's all. We 489 00:54:54.080 --> 00:55:02.130 Benji Fisher: just basic block for starters. And then under content. 490 00:55:02.220 --> 00:55:03.650 Benji Fisher: we have 491 00:55:04.200 --> 00:55:16.469 Benji Fisher: the new blocks tab, and this is what used to be called custom flock Library. which used to live underneath block layout in the 492 00:55:16.950 --> 00:55:25.179 Benji Fisher: structure. Menu. So we we've reorganized those pages. And now that we've reorganized those pages and we've sometimes changed 493 00:55:25.330 --> 00:55:27.300 Benji Fisher: their titles. 494 00:55:28.390 --> 00:55:34.109 Benji Fisher: It's now the blocks tab. It's like old content blocks. Those are 495 00:55:34.160 --> 00:55:36.050 Benji Fisher: terminology changes. 496 00:55:36.200 --> 00:55:42.060 Benji Fisher: So I believe this issue is about making corresponding changes in layout builder. 497 00:55:43.100 --> 00:55:55.400 Benji Fisher: So in particular, the screenshot shows create custom walk. We're not calling them custom blocks anymore. We're calling them content blocks. So this issue is basically about changing that from custom blocked content block. Right? 498 00:55:55.570 --> 00:55:56.470 Ralf Koller: yeah. 499 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:04.650 Ralf Koller: But there, for example, you, if you scroll up the choose, a block is also 1 point that might be discussed because 500 00:56:05.420 --> 00:56:11.830 Ralf Koller: the overall title is called Choose a block, and the first thing you see underneath is content fields. 501 00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:24.800 Ralf Koller: So as a naive user, you ask, it's about blocks. But now it's about content fields. And then it was one of the some suggestions to change. Choose a block to, for example, choose a component, or choose. 502 00:56:25.940 --> 00:56:28.850 Ralf Koller: pick another word or term for it. 503 00:56:37.490 --> 00:56:39.089 Ralf Koller: and that's the 504 00:56:41.830 --> 00:56:44.410 Ralf Koller: summary. At the end. I wrote up. 505 00:56:44.730 --> 00:56:45.490 Benji Fisher: okay. 506 00:56:46.640 --> 00:56:59.550 Benji Fisher: so it it. It certainly seems good idea to get 507 00:56:59.650 --> 00:57:02.600 Benji Fisher: some changes in to people 508 00:57:03.190 --> 00:57:05.809 Benji Fisher: 10.1 509 00:57:10.510 --> 00:57:12.489 Benji Fisher: I guess we have. 510 00:57:13.750 --> 00:57:19.310 Benji Fisher: just a week or 2 before the our C is scheduled to be released. 511 00:57:19.870 --> 00:57:32.329 Benji Fisher: so I I guess my general advice would be to try to make progress by small steps, and just make sort of the obvious changes, like changing 512 00:57:33.060 --> 00:57:35.890 Benji Fisher: custom blocks of content block for now 513 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:41.450 Benji Fisher: and separate out further changes to follow up issues. 514 00:57:42.100 --> 00:57:48.210 Benji Fisher: but I I haven't looked at it in a long time. So maybe maybe I'm the same 515 00:57:49.640 --> 00:57:54.830 Benji Fisher: reasons for making additional changes all at once, and then the other issue you wanted to look at. 516 00:57:55.160 --> 00:57:59.829 Benji Fisher: is 3, 3, 1, 7, 3, 6, 9. 517 00:57:59.890 --> 00:58:03.040 Benji Fisher: This is for the contrib admin toolbar module 518 00:58:03.830 --> 00:58:10.279 Benji Fisher: and adjust to changes introduced in very nice and block items in the Admin menu. 519 00:58:10.530 --> 00:58:17.669 Benji Fisher: So so we. I've made these these changes, as I said to the administration menu 520 00:58:17.820 --> 00:58:23.389 Benji Fisher: and the Admin toolbar module should be updated to be consistent. 521 00:58:24.460 --> 00:58:28.220 Benji Fisher: I'm pretty confident at this point that 522 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:33.960 Benji Fisher: lock layout is not going to be moved in Jupal 10.1 523 00:58:34.710 --> 00:58:39.330 Benji Fisher: So maybe it's time to unpo it. What do you think? 524 00:58:41.450 --> 00:58:48.729 Ralf Koller: I think maybe the best might be to create a follow up issue for a block layout and 525 00:58:51.910 --> 00:58:54.209 Ralf Koller: keep that issue about 526 00:58:54.350 --> 00:58:57.789 Ralf Koller: the content and the structure 527 00:58:59.330 --> 00:59:05.250 Ralf Koller: menu items. And yeah. but definitely unblock it. 528 00:59:05.610 --> 00:59:20.370 Benji Fisher: Yeah. So this issue should be unblocked and and should be scoped to the changes that have already made it into 1110.1 and and we can have a separate follow up again for the admin toolbar module 529 00:59:20.600 --> 00:59:23.850 Benji Fisher: Once. The block layout issue is 530 00:59:24.140 --> 00:59:25.260 Benji Fisher: it's committed. 531 00:59:26.370 --> 00:59:30.559 Ralf Koller: Could you scroll down to the end, please? 532 00:59:32.270 --> 00:59:33.869 Benji Fisher: Why do I jump down to the 533 00:59:34.150 --> 00:59:37.759 Ralf Koller: to my last comment, 534 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.329 Ralf Koller: and also the suggestions for the different sections for content, for structure. 535 00:59:53.300 --> 00:59:54.300 Benji Fisher: Okay. 536 00:59:54.520 --> 01:00:11.600 Ralf Koller: do you agree, for example, for for the block type menu. Item. to add a sub menu with at block type and the list of available block type that it's in line with the pattern content types, for example, users. 537 01:00:14.550 --> 01:00:22.080 Benji Fisher: probably, but we don't really have time to get into that much detail. 538 01:00:23.110 --> 01:00:26.310 Benji Fisher: We have 2 min left. 539 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:31.670 and 540 01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:36.300 Benji Fisher: I think that the Maintainer of the at the toolbar module. 541 01:00:37.890 --> 01:00:43.040 Benji Fisher: or to continue their discretion and and and make the appropriate changes just 542 01:00:43.250 --> 01:00:45.559 Benji Fisher: you know, once it's pointed out that 543 01:00:47.990 --> 01:00:51.029 Benji Fisher: that that these changes have made in in 544 01:00:52.190 --> 01:00:54.489 Benji Fisher: going to be a little bit tricky of them 545 01:00:55.910 --> 01:00:57.689 Benji Fisher: is this. 546 01:01:00.390 --> 01:01:09.340 Benji Fisher: you know, they they control. Module, of course, can be used with 1110.0 or 10.1. Once Temple 10.1 is released 547 01:01:09.730 --> 01:01:14.369 Benji Fisher: and you wouldn't want to make these changes on a 1110.0 site. So 548 01:01:14.650 --> 01:01:17.840 Benji Fisher: yeah, they. They may want to make a 549 01:01:18.040 --> 01:01:25.450 Benji Fisher: a separate branch or or it. or at least recommend that the release is only used for 1110.1 550 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:34.799 Benji Fisher: 1 min left any any last minute comments before we say goodbye. 551 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:51.980 Benji Fisher: So we're out for you and postpone this issue and and create a follow up on the With walk layout issue. And doing that. I I will comment on the issue for the 552 01:01:52.570 --> 01:01:55.099 Benji Fisher: for the announcements, module for 7770, 553 01:01:56.600 --> 01:02:00.019 Benji Fisher: thank you all. I'll be back next week. Hope you will, too. 554 01:02:00.980 --> 01:02:02.759 Ralf Koller: Have a nice weekend to everyone. 555 01:02:03.050 --> 01:02:04.850 Thomas: Thank you. 556 01:02:04.860 --> 01:02:07.620 Thomas: I will. Yeah. 557 01:02:08.910 --> 01:02:12.420 Benji Fisher: I can't hear that at all. Your audio is garbled. 558 01:02:17.600 --> 01:02:22.370 Benji Fisher: Oh, I missed. Thomas had some comments in the chat. 559 01:02:22.640 --> 01:02:31.030 Benji Fisher: So he agrees. That's a good follow up issue. I think that was the only one. Okay. 560 01:02:35.030 --> 01:02:37.680 Benji Fisher: thank you. Bye, bye.