WEBVTT 85 00:09:11.660 --> 00:09:23.609 Benji Fisher: Welcome. This is the drupal usability meeting for July 20, eighth, 2,023. I'm Benji Fisher, moderating and sharing my screen. and also present our Aaron Mikhail, Emma 86 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:35.610 Benji Fisher: Lucas Fisher, and Ralph Kohler. so no one has any particular issues they want to discuss today. So let's look at the 87 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.179 Benji Fisher: list of things we've 88 00:09:38.430 --> 00:09:43.149 Benji Fisher: yeah, actually, this one at the bottom. Maybe I 89 00:09:43.330 --> 00:09:49.819 Benji Fisher: I I I always get in trouble when I predict that something will be a short discussion, so I I won't make any predictions. 90 00:09:50.450 --> 00:09:55.499 Benji Fisher: But, let's have a look at 3, 3, 7, 6, 3, 1, 4. 91 00:09:56.070 --> 00:10:00.240 Benji Fisher: Remove the username and password descriptions from oh. 92 00:10:00.260 --> 00:10:04.300 Benji Fisher: this has already been fixed. No point in discussing it now. 93 00:10:05.070 --> 00:10:09.330 Benji Fisher: yeah, it might be a really short discussion. 94 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:14.189 Benji Fisher: Yeah. So I think, if I 95 00:10:14.530 --> 00:10:16.559 Benji Fisher: just bring this 96 00:10:18.580 --> 00:10:19.980 Benji Fisher: image 97 00:10:20.040 --> 00:10:22.420 Benji Fisher: open image, new tab, there we go. 98 00:10:23.400 --> 00:10:29.499 Benji Fisher: So I I think the issue is just about removing that help text enter the password that companies your username. Which 99 00:10:31.070 --> 00:10:31.740 Benji Fisher: right? 100 00:10:32.610 --> 00:10:41.280 Benji Fisher: I think the idea is that no one needs to be told that. So let's stop telling and telling them. okay, so scratch that one. 101 00:10:42.870 --> 00:10:50.700 Benji Fisher: So I don't think we have anything new to say about organizing 102 00:10:51.140 --> 00:10:53.420 Benji Fisher: the administration menu. 103 00:10:54.280 --> 00:11:04.120 Benji Fisher: The appearance page is too long and confusing. I I think really The 104 00:11:04.140 --> 00:11:14.810 Benji Fisher: Admin ui teams led by Christina has taken that one over. I don't know that. the usability input is needed at this point. 105 00:11:15.790 --> 00:11:21.330 Benji Fisher: install an uninstall modules page. 106 00:11:22.070 --> 00:11:27.710 Benji Fisher: Aaron, shouldn't we remove this item from the agenda by now. 107 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:35.889 Aaron McHale: like, yeah, I may have forgotten to remove it. 108 00:11:37.190 --> 00:11:40.369 Aaron McHale: let me double. yeah, because we we did 109 00:11:41.030 --> 00:11:44.280 Aaron McHale: Let me double check. That one was the one we postponed, wasn't it? 110 00:11:46.460 --> 00:11:48.410 Ralf Koller: Because it's 111 00:11:48.630 --> 00:11:58.209 Aaron McHale: yeah. Okay. I don't know why. That's I must have just accidentally forgotten to. yeah, remove it when I was copying list over. So that's fine. I'll do. I'll remove that one. 112 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.190 Aaron McHale: But yeah, we we could maybe, like. 113 00:12:03.540 --> 00:12:07.769 Aaron McHale: try and tackle some of the ones having carried forward with some notes. 114 00:12:11.330 --> 00:12:16.450 Benji Fisher: Yeah, shall we just go to the next one on the list? The placement of batch progress messages. 115 00:12:17.450 --> 00:12:18.240 Aaron McHale: sure. 116 00:12:18.800 --> 00:12:23.240 Benji Fisher: And we looked at this. Oh, 7 months ago, 8 months ago. 117 00:12:24.340 --> 00:12:28.250 Benji Fisher: Am I? 118 00:12:30.680 --> 00:12:39.030 Benji Fisher: So this is placement of batch progress messages for the sake of the recording. It's issued 2, 5, 6, 9, 7, 8, 5. 119 00:12:40.790 --> 00:12:46.190 Benji Fisher: let's have a look at this screenshot. 120 00:12:49.540 --> 00:12:51.040 Benji Fisher: and maybe also 121 00:12:51.280 --> 00:12:52.730 Benji Fisher: this other one. 122 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.250 Benji Fisher: that screenshot is not all that useful. 123 00:13:02.490 --> 00:13:04.790 Benji Fisher: Here we go. So 124 00:13:05.890 --> 00:13:14.320 Benji Fisher: I recognize this. This is specifically, when you are doing a migration from drupal 6 or 7 125 00:13:14.910 --> 00:13:18.510 Benji Fisher: using the user interface. 126 00:13:19.920 --> 00:13:22.309 And this is the 127 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:23.520 Benji Fisher: sort of 128 00:13:23.800 --> 00:13:27.999 Benji Fisher: well, this is a screenshot of of the progress message that you get. 129 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:29.730 Benji Fisher: So there is a 130 00:13:29.970 --> 00:13:38.089 Benji Fisher: a bar at the bottom, indicating some measure of what? What fraction of the process is done. 131 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:44.349 Benji Fisher: And then all of these messages, saying, what 132 00:13:45.500 --> 00:13:49.170 Benji Fisher: parts have been processed? 133 00:13:50.220 --> 00:13:57.200 Benji Fisher: so 134 00:13:58.830 --> 00:14:00.180 Benji Fisher: maybe now 135 00:14:03.300 --> 00:14:08.340 Benji Fisher: I guess there, there are 4 sections. a label 136 00:14:08.420 --> 00:14:11.970 Benji Fisher: track, a percentage. And it description. 137 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:13.480 Benji Fisher: I guess those are 138 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:16.420 Benji Fisher: somehow 139 00:14:16.780 --> 00:14:22.900 Benji Fisher: the progress bar is one of those, and the list here is another that I'm not sure what all 4 are. 140 00:14:23.090 --> 00:14:36.960 Benji Fisher: But let's see. problem motivation when running an upgrade progress messages are displayed above the progress bar rather than below it. 20 messages are displayed before scrolling off the screen. 141 00:14:37.850 --> 00:14:42.809 Benji Fisher: I had thought this was an intentional aid change, but apparently not. 142 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:48.869 Benji Fisher: they should be below. We're not doing anything to try to achieve this, so we need to figure out why it's happening. 143 00:14:49.690 --> 00:14:55.749 Benji Fisher: Mike Ryan States and Number 4, the positive side of having 20 messages on the screen 144 00:14:55.960 --> 00:15:03.320 Benji Fisher: quote. I think the context is helpful. Otherwise most migration results will disappear before it's possible to see them. 145 00:15:03.930 --> 00:15:08.319 Benji Fisher: I did include this to get feedback. So there's a 146 00:15:08.830 --> 00:15:17.450 Benji Fisher: so far dot dot. Dot. I guess he's referring to this little ellipses at the bottom. 147 00:15:18.910 --> 00:15:31.040 Benji Fisher: so the screenshots it shows the behavior of the text is being out. Put to the progress labeled Div, that is above the progress bar 148 00:15:31.180 --> 00:15:34.930 Benji Fisher: instead of the progress description. Div below the progress bar. 149 00:15:37.470 --> 00:15:48.990 Benji Fisher: Okay. that may. 150 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:53.879 Benji Fisher: I'm at number 2. Mike Ryan rather optimistically tagged it as an office issue. 151 00:15:54.520 --> 00:15:58.849 Benji Fisher: I don't suppose anyone remembers discussing this last November. 152 00:16:04.820 --> 00:16:05.640 Aaron McHale: Nope. 153 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:19.509 Aaron McHale: Well, apparently I call my to don it. Don't remember that this comment down here? Oh, I was just not saying it for review. Okay, never mind. 154 00:16:20.030 --> 00:16:21.280 Benji Fisher: Yeah. 155 00:16:32.490 --> 00:16:38.600 Benji Fisher: The current task is to answer the questions in the issue. Summary problem, slash motivation section. 156 00:16:39.630 --> 00:16:56.910 Benji Fisher: I guess this comment here. 157 00:16:58.610 --> 00:17:09.250 Benji Fisher: The other pages in the Ui have received attention, not this one. It would be good to have a ux review of some kind to answer the question. what should be displayed on that page? 158 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:20.660 Benji Fisher: The output is rather different than the install screen so they should match as closely as possible. Do we do people want to see 20 messages so they can see the results 159 00:17:21.130 --> 00:17:23.190 Benji Fisher: is some context. 160 00:17:25.130 --> 00:17:32.110 Benji Fisher: so. 161 00:17:34.030 --> 00:17:38.079 Emma: Emma, you've unmuted yourself. Do you want to say something? I was gonna ask. 162 00:17:38.380 --> 00:17:44.549 Emma: like the screenshot you shared showed that everything was working well. But what happens if 163 00:17:44.660 --> 00:17:51.720 Emma: something isn't, you know, do you? Because that list just says stuff has been upgraded? But would you? 164 00:17:52.220 --> 00:18:00.829 Emma: I think it would be useful if you were upgrading to see if something wasn't working well, so that then you could kind of address it. But I don't know if I don't know enough about the issue. 165 00:18:01.290 --> 00:18:03.349 Emma: That's just a thought. 166 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:15.810 Benji Fisher: Yeah, the way it works. I don't think there's any way to interrupt the process once you've started it. So 167 00:18:16.350 --> 00:18:22.080 Benji Fisher: at the end of the process you will get some links to 168 00:18:23.130 --> 00:18:34.249 Benji Fisher: to the log messages, so you can investigate whether there are any problems. I think that if you give me a minute I can actually set up a migration, and we can see this live. Shall I do that? 169 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:43.420 Emma: Yeah, that would. Why would be helpful for me? Because I'm not that familiar with the issue. But yeah, others might have more experience of this. 170 00:18:50.450 --> 00:18:52.349 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I think that'd be useful to see. 171 00:18:52.420 --> 00:18:53.870 Emma: Thank you. Yeah. 172 00:18:59.170 --> 00:19:08.470 Benji Fisher: All right. So I'm going to kill that your mommy site that I set up and instead install just the standard profile and 173 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:24.340 Benji Fisher: install the migration modules. 174 00:19:25.730 --> 00:19:32.589 Benji Fisher: and I also have 175 00:19:32.870 --> 00:19:40.379 Benji Fisher: 777 site running. I think at this point 176 00:19:46.070 --> 00:19:50.669 Benji Fisher: same link should still work. If anyone else wants to log in, and the 177 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:59.979 Benji Fisher: username and password our admin And then, if we go to 178 00:20:00.930 --> 00:20:03.969 Benji Fisher: is it configuration development 179 00:20:06.520 --> 00:20:07.800 Benji Fisher: upgrade? 180 00:20:08.120 --> 00:20:10.660 Benji Fisher: You only see this once you've installed the 181 00:20:11.660 --> 00:20:17.370 Benji Fisher: all of the migration modules. So migrate my great triple, my great tuple ui 182 00:20:18.120 --> 00:20:24.639 Benji Fisher: I've already configured a bunch of stuff in in settings. Php, so 183 00:20:25.050 --> 00:20:28.709 Benji Fisher: I get sort of a simplified version of this form. 184 00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:33.230 Benji Fisher: the upgrade 185 00:20:34.840 --> 00:20:37.799 Benji Fisher: content may be written on your new site. 186 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.790 Benji Fisher: That's okay. Because this is a fresh install standard profile. 187 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:48.310 Benji Fisher: Oh, we've 188 00:20:48.330 --> 00:20:50.340 Benji Fisher: talked about the 189 00:20:52.130 --> 00:20:54.650 Benji Fisher: how to indicate these warning messages. 190 00:20:55.530 --> 00:21:10.790 Benji Fisher: Button with lots of text probably isn't the best way. But anyway. I guess these these modules used to be in core. But we're removed and drupal 10 191 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:19.729 Benji Fisher: and there's a long list of things that will be upgraded. 192 00:21:22.050 --> 00:21:23.610 Benji Fisher: So if I 193 00:21:23.810 --> 00:21:30.359 Benji Fisher: submit this form, then we should start to see something like this screenshot any any questions before I 194 00:21:30.600 --> 00:21:31.589 Benji Fisher: hit the button 195 00:21:35.990 --> 00:21:37.110 Benji Fisher: any 196 00:21:38.230 --> 00:21:41.140 Benji Fisher: any questions about the context, I guess. 197 00:21:41.570 --> 00:21:50.580 Benji Fisher: Probably more people are going to be doing this over the next few months and have already started since the 777 end of life announcement. 198 00:21:51.940 --> 00:21:53.689 Benji Fisher: Whoa! That was quick. 199 00:21:55.080 --> 00:21:57.070 Benji Fisher: You didn't see that very long. 200 00:21:57.370 --> 00:22:04.160 Benji Fisher: I I'd blinked. Don't worry. We're recording it. You can 201 00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:11.239 Benji Fisher: literally looked away from my screen as you said, Wool. 202 00:22:12.870 --> 00:22:24.849 Benji Fisher: So here's the message completed. 70 upgrade tasks, successfully congratulations, you upgraded triple. and review the detailed upgrade logs. Let me open that in a new tab. 203 00:22:26.650 --> 00:22:31.410 Benji Fisher: we get all of these messages. 204 00:22:31.610 --> 00:22:37.620 Benji Fisher: So so the log messages have basically what we would have seen on that screen if we had him blinked. 205 00:22:38.310 --> 00:22:46.479 Benji Fisher: there's one error. so it's actually 206 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:52.600 Benji Fisher: just look at at least warnings. 207 00:22:54.430 --> 00:22:55.370 Benji Fisher: Just 208 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:58.020 Benji Fisher: 2 errors. 209 00:22:58.350 --> 00:23:06.870 Benji Fisher: so 210 00:23:09.060 --> 00:23:11.359 Benji Fisher: okay. So so so one thing is that 211 00:23:13.350 --> 00:23:24.630 Benji Fisher: well. I I I guess the drupal 7 site I'm using has very little content on it. So in in a real migration that 212 00:23:24.700 --> 00:23:31.630 Benji Fisher: it it would stay in you, you you would see that progress scheme somewhat longer. 213 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:32.990 Benji Fisher: But 214 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:41.699 Benji Fisher: But but one takeaway. Is that all, all that information is in the logs, so it it is not lost. 215 00:23:43.090 --> 00:23:55.890 Benji Fisher: so I I guess I'm still getting the fault homepage from 216 00:23:56.730 --> 00:23:58.920 Benji Fisher: the olive arrow theme. 217 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:10.000 Benji Fisher: So if if you'd didn't blink, you would have seen something like this. 218 00:24:10.700 --> 00:24:18.870 Benji Fisher: There were a total of 70 items. A lot of them are configuration things that are only have one config item. 219 00:24:19.570 --> 00:24:24.550 Benji Fisher: That's why body fields display configuration processed one item total. 220 00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:28.540 Benji Fisher: so those things happen pretty quickly. 221 00:24:28.770 --> 00:24:31.679 Benji Fisher: If you had 100 222 00:24:32.810 --> 00:24:37.330 Benji Fisher: nodes, or a thousand or 10,000 nodes that would take somewhat longer to process 223 00:24:38.670 --> 00:24:42.080 Benji Fisher: so 224 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:46.380 Benji Fisher: would it make sense to have the progress bar at the top. 225 00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:50.269 Benji Fisher: which I I think is the main suggestion of this issue. 226 00:24:50.970 --> 00:24:58.399 Benji Fisher: or is, does it not matter? Do you care whether things scroll up or scroll down 227 00:25:00.550 --> 00:25:02.109 Benji Fisher: Ralph, go ahead! 228 00:25:03.350 --> 00:25:12.530 Ralf Koller: for me. Actually, it wouldn't matter the position at the moment. The, I guess, of the 229 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:26.780 Ralf Koller: more or less 3 areas of interest. You have the first line with your currently upgrading common type, with the up stepping number 41 of 80. Then you have underneath. At the bottom you have the toolbar. 230 00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:29.140 Ralf Koller: But you see, if basically. 231 00:25:29.150 --> 00:25:40.700 Ralf Koller: the process is moving on a fast migration like yours. it really doesn't matter, but if you have a long running one, and which might get even installed then. 232 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.830 Ralf Koller: if if there isn't some sort of 233 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:59.140 Ralf Koller: progress far, then it's for me and some sort of indication, if some, if something is still working or not. and then you also have the list of processes in between 234 00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:07.970 Ralf Koller: But test processes and failures are listed as well. So 235 00:26:08.070 --> 00:26:15.619 Ralf Koller: usually you have to jump in between. for me, I try to stay in control, and if such a process is running. 236 00:26:15.710 --> 00:26:22.649 Ralf Koller: I'm worried that something gets stuck on error, and that therefore I'm jumping. If something changes and I have 3 237 00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:25.300 Ralf Koller: points of interest were change 238 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:34.299 Ralf Koller: usually in between and jump in between. And that was challenging. So for one moving, maybe the progress bar 239 00:26:34.430 --> 00:26:38.630 Ralf Koller: next to the currently upgrading comment type line 240 00:26:38.860 --> 00:26:40.030 will be one 241 00:26:40.550 --> 00:26:43.480 Ralf Koller: good thing. And one other thing, I wonder 242 00:26:43.780 --> 00:26:54.230 Ralf Koller: is it really necessary to see the success messages if you see them anyway? at the end in the log files? 243 00:26:54.340 --> 00:27:02.560 Ralf Koller: and wouldn't it be more of interest to just maybe show the failures or processes that failed 244 00:27:03.810 --> 00:27:06.720 Ralf Koller: to process? That is one thing, I wonder? 245 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.339 Benji Fisher: Okay, so 246 00:27:14.100 --> 00:27:19.830 Benji Fisher: so you basically have 2 suggestions. One, put the progress bar at at the top 247 00:27:21.060 --> 00:27:24.449 Benji Fisher: or or move the currently upgrade it. 248 00:27:24.590 --> 00:27:30.559 Ralf Koller: Move basically the the status line and the progress per next to each other 249 00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:32.880 Ralf Koller: wherever they are placed. 250 00:27:34.020 --> 00:27:37.040 Benji Fisher: Oh, oh, so 251 00:27:39.010 --> 00:27:48.980 Benji Fisher: so you're suggesting. separating the the currently running one from all the ones that have gone before 252 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:54.459 Benji Fisher: as as a possibility. So. 253 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:57.919 Benji Fisher: for example, you might have 254 00:27:58.060 --> 00:28:05.339 Benji Fisher: the list of all the ones that have finished, and then the progress bar, and then the one it's currently working on 255 00:28:09.630 --> 00:28:10.410 Ralf Koller: I don't know. 256 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:17.339 Benji Fisher: And and then the other thing you're suggesting is that we we don't even bother to show 257 00:28:17.570 --> 00:28:30.439 Benji Fisher: the ones that finished cleanly. Once once they finished we we show the currently running one. and we show any that have errors or warning messages 258 00:28:30.570 --> 00:28:32.830 Ralf Koller: that that I finished. 259 00:28:35.580 --> 00:28:37.790 Benji Fisher: I think those are reasonable ideas. 260 00:28:38.030 --> 00:28:48.830 Benji Fisher: I mean the scope of the current issue. You know Mike Ryan did tag it as an office might might be. 261 00:28:49.070 --> 00:28:57.109 Benji Fisher: just the position of of the Progress bar. and Aaron, you're giving a thumbs up. I'm not sure what you're using thumbs up to 262 00:28:57.570 --> 00:29:01.030 Aaron McHale: just everything. 263 00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:07.280 Aaron McHale: I think, like that. The actually, I really agree with what I've said around. 264 00:29:07.330 --> 00:29:13.380 Aaron McHale: they, if we don't show the successful like the log of successful ones. 265 00:29:13.460 --> 00:29:16.400 Aaron McHale: if there are warnings or errors 266 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:30.839 Aaron McHale: it, it would make it more obvious to people. Just. You know that one has a card, because right now it could be so easy for them to be buried in all amongst all the success ones. But obviously you could go look at the log later. But you might. It might be like 267 00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:36.140 Aaron McHale: easier for people to know, you know, upfront during that process. 268 00:29:37.170 --> 00:29:40.369 Aaron McHale: particularly if it's like a long running migration. Maybe. 269 00:29:41.430 --> 00:29:42.540 Aaron McHale: well. 270 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:48.449 Aaron McHale: unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to see a long running migration. But I imagine that 271 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.830 Aaron McHale: you might be, you know, if it's one that takes like 5 or 10 min, or something. 272 00:29:52.930 --> 00:30:05.609 Aaron McHale: you might be watching, or you might you might look away for a bit as I did just there, and look back, and then maybe you see an error or a warning, and it's it's good to see those more be more obvious. 273 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.110 Benji Fisher: So 274 00:30:31.040 --> 00:30:32.430 Benji Fisher: so how 275 00:30:32.840 --> 00:30:42.100 Benji Fisher: so? How does this sound? we recommend as as a first step. putting the progress bar at the top, and that will 276 00:30:42.250 --> 00:30:53.249 Benji Fisher: make it right next to the currently executing task. and then we recommend as a second step, possibly on this issue, possibly in a follow up 277 00:30:53.590 --> 00:30:57.199 Benji Fisher: that we 278 00:30:58.660 --> 00:31:03.159 Benji Fisher: don't show 279 00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:07.480 Benji Fisher: status messages or 280 00:31:08.030 --> 00:31:10.220 Benji Fisher: things that upgraded cleanly. 281 00:31:10.590 --> 00:31:11.670 Benji Fisher: which will. 282 00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:15.529 Benji Fisher: which in in this screenshot at least, and and in my 283 00:31:16.080 --> 00:31:18.230 Benji Fisher: sort of trivial migration 284 00:31:18.360 --> 00:31:27.020 Benji Fisher: is most of them. that we only show things with warnings or errors. And 285 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:32.430 Benji Fisher: I would say that if we do that. then 286 00:31:33.850 --> 00:31:42.689 Benji Fisher: we we don't just limit it to to to 20, because one, once we have the progress bar and the current one at the top. 287 00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:52.269 Benji Fisher: Yeah, let's just, you know, fill up the bottom of the screen and and and scroll off the bottom of the screen. And and even if there are a hundred 288 00:31:52.330 --> 00:31:56.149 Benji Fisher: or 500 error messages. keep them all. 289 00:31:58.890 --> 00:32:00.289 Benji Fisher: Does that sound reasonable? 290 00:32:03.260 --> 00:32:04.570 Benji Fisher: Aaron likes it. 291 00:32:06.350 --> 00:32:07.690 Emma: Yeah, I think so. 292 00:32:09.350 --> 00:32:10.230 Benji Fisher: Okay. 293 00:32:16.120 --> 00:32:17.240 Benji Fisher: Ralph, go ahead. 294 00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:20.850 Ralf Koller: The only thing I wonder is 295 00:32:21.250 --> 00:32:29.919 Ralf Koller: if the progress bar is moved to the top. Then you have the currently running process status indicator, and underneath you have 296 00:32:30.460 --> 00:32:36.259 Ralf Koller: the list of failed processes with warning. So 297 00:32:36.300 --> 00:32:44.229 Ralf Koller: how is it from a readability perspective? 298 00:32:45.520 --> 00:32:47.390 Ralf Koller: if you have to. Let's say 299 00:32:48.580 --> 00:32:51.350 Ralf Koller: 1,000 processes and 300 00:32:51.450 --> 00:32:54.450 Ralf Koller: 100 fail. and 301 00:32:56.260 --> 00:33:03.370 Ralf Koller: if that those lines are added underneath, underneath, underneath, is the page scrolling with it, and you get 302 00:33:03.760 --> 00:33:04.990 Ralf Koller: the 303 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.170 Ralf Koller: progress indicator on top, out of side or 304 00:33:09.510 --> 00:33:13.249 Ralf Koller: I was the we you presentation in that case? 305 00:33:16.600 --> 00:33:24.490 Benji Fisher: good question. So I think in general, the way back to processes. Work is by successively reloading. 306 00:33:25.860 --> 00:33:39.130 Benji Fisher: Right? It's It's it's not an Ajax refresh. It's successively reloading the page. And and that's sort of the point of the batch process is that there are limits to how long 307 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:51.680 Benji Fisher: a Php process is allowed to run. So you you reload the page, you start a new Php process. so there is a full page. Reload every few seconds. 308 00:33:52.690 --> 00:33:58.669 and since it is a full page, reload, you'll always end up at the top. And and we'll always see 309 00:33:58.820 --> 00:34:02.510 Benji Fisher: the scroll bar and the currently running process 310 00:34:04.750 --> 00:34:05.829 Benji Fisher: that sound right? 311 00:34:11.050 --> 00:34:13.000 Benji Fisher: And and that's what you want. Right? 312 00:34:16.630 --> 00:34:18.230 Ralf Koller: Yeah, I think, yeah, it's 313 00:34:21.980 --> 00:34:39.080 Ralf Koller: yeah. It's it should be okay now. But I wonder if you have someone following along, sitting next to the screen and watching that way. The person has to scroll down, scroll down. 314 00:34:39.409 --> 00:34:42.110 Ralf Koller: and then we got through loaded again. 315 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.239 Ralf Koller: If maybe the 316 00:34:46.040 --> 00:34:49.290 Ralf Koller: this play order for that list, instead of 317 00:34:49.710 --> 00:34:58.030 Ralf Koller: the oldest at the top, and the news at the bottom. to have it the other way around. If that would make sense. 318 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.959 Benji Fisher: I think it's already the other way around 319 00:35:01.120 --> 00:35:01.990 Ralf Koller: it. Oh. 320 00:35:02.170 --> 00:35:10.769 Ralf Koller: is it? Okay? Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure it's most recent at the top international complaints. 321 00:35:11.650 --> 00:35:22.310 Benji Fisher: And that's that's why we have the ellipses at the bottom. The older ones have truncated, and then the current one is right at the top, and and the recently finished one is just below it. 322 00:35:22.520 --> 00:35:24.229 Benji Fisher: Pretty sure that's the way it works. 323 00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:30.810 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I was, I was thinking of something like that, but then realized that, like, well, the current one is the top. So it must be 324 00:35:30.910 --> 00:35:32.010 Aaron McHale: in that order. 325 00:35:35.870 --> 00:35:37.709 Aaron McHale: although part of me does. 326 00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:54.000 Aaron McHale: It does feel that weird to me that it is in that order. Because I'm I'm I'm just so used to like seeing things in the terminal, and everything goes some like the newest thing is at the bottom. When you're in it, you know. Right? So But I'm probably like 327 00:35:54.180 --> 00:35:57.069 Aaron McHale: not a good person in that sense, like 328 00:35:57.300 --> 00:36:00.830 Aaron McHale: I guess, to to 329 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.860 Aaron McHale: think about this because this could be like. 330 00:36:03.030 --> 00:36:06.250 Aaron McHale: you know, a a site builder or somebody doing this. And 331 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:11.360 Aaron McHale: I think it makes a lot of sense to have the most recent one at the top, and then have the progress far there. So 332 00:36:19.660 --> 00:36:29.030 Benji Fisher: Do we want the progress bar in between the current process 333 00:36:29.410 --> 00:36:31.899 Benji Fisher: and the errors and warning messages. 334 00:36:39.770 --> 00:36:44.809 Benji Fisher: We, I think we probably want some sort of visual separation between the current one 335 00:36:45.530 --> 00:36:50.060 Benji Fisher: and and the others. it might be a simple age rule. 336 00:36:50.310 --> 00:36:54.360 Benji Fisher: the progress bar 337 00:36:55.070 --> 00:36:57.049 Benji Fisher: would would be a pretty 338 00:36:57.740 --> 00:37:02.340 Benji Fisher: noticeable separation between them. Go ahead, Ralph. 339 00:37:04.210 --> 00:37:08.770 Ralf Koller: Yeah. Using the progress bar as a divider would be one option. 340 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:18.610 Ralf Koller: But I wonder what it makes sense to wrap the currently running process and the process bar 341 00:37:18.870 --> 00:37:22.199 Ralf Koller: inside some sort of field set and has the 342 00:37:23.020 --> 00:37:25.300 Ralf Koller: running all the 343 00:37:25.720 --> 00:37:32.600 Ralf Koller: warnings and arrows underneath them that way. That's also usually separated that way with some sort of field set 344 00:37:34.830 --> 00:37:36.019 Ralf Koller: might be more 345 00:37:38.580 --> 00:37:41.969 Ralf Koller: striking that way and more clear. 346 00:37:57.200 --> 00:37:58.310 Benji Fisher: So 347 00:38:00.270 --> 00:38:07.959 Benji Fisher: I I would say, you're you're getting into questions of design, and that, as far as usability is concerned, it doesn't matter whether you 348 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.349 Benji Fisher: use a simple horizontal rule 349 00:38:12.550 --> 00:38:14.679 Benji Fisher: or put them in a field set 350 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:21.350 Benji Fisher: either way or You're providing some 351 00:38:22.290 --> 00:38:26.459 Benji Fisher: distinction. So I think those are equivalent from a usability point of view. 352 00:38:27.180 --> 00:38:29.599 Benji Fisher: And I wouldn't want to. 353 00:38:33.020 --> 00:38:40.750 Benji Fisher: Basically I don't. I? I would leave it to the judgment of whoever is implementing it, or whoever is signing it. Oh. 354 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:47.830 Benji Fisher: let me see whether the back button will work. 355 00:38:48.730 --> 00:38:51.439 Benji Fisher: Oh, it! It gives me 356 00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:53.960 Benji Fisher: just this one. No? Well. 357 00:38:58.040 --> 00:39:00.170 Aaron McHale: but we do see that the current. 358 00:39:00.430 --> 00:39:07.359 Aaron McHale: you know that initializing text appears below the progress bar which I was trying to think back to like. What is. 359 00:39:07.680 --> 00:39:20.609 Aaron McHale: you know, what is this normal way that a batch. the batch process interface this place? And I I think that's correct. So I would want to try and also keep it visually similar to all the other batch 360 00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:29.579 Aaron McHale: like processes. I don't know how much this is. you know. I'm assuming this the same as any other batch process in terms of how it's implemented. But 361 00:39:30.450 --> 00:39:35.749 Aaron McHale: yeah, maybe. maybe there's a value in in, you know, having consistency there. 362 00:39:57.940 --> 00:40:02.760 Benji Fisher: Okay? So I I think I can. I can leave a comment 363 00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:10.770 Benji Fisher: and step. One is just change the order. But the progress bar at the top that'll be consistent with with other batch processes. 364 00:40:10.990 --> 00:40:13.160 Benji Fisher: and it will. 365 00:40:14.190 --> 00:40:21.069 Benji Fisher: you know, make it easier to move your attention from the progress bar to the current one. and then 366 00:40:21.310 --> 00:40:25.020 Benji Fisher: step 2 will be 367 00:40:25.330 --> 00:40:26.649 Benji Fisher: to show 368 00:40:27.570 --> 00:40:32.880 Benji Fisher: all errors and warnings, but not state. Is 369 00:40:32.930 --> 00:40:39.130 Benji Fisher: that not not all info messages for completed processes? So 370 00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:43.789 Benji Fisher: don't limit it to 20. Show all of them, but only show warnings and errors 371 00:40:44.090 --> 00:40:47.320 Benji Fisher: with some visual separation. 372 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.880 Benji Fisher: between the current one and all those 373 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.270 Benji Fisher: sound good. 374 00:40:58.830 --> 00:41:00.810 Benji Fisher: I'm getting a couple of thumbs up. 375 00:41:00.930 --> 00:41:08.779 Benji Fisher: Okay, great. We have consensus. and we'll be able to take that one off our list. 376 00:41:11.230 --> 00:41:12.110 Aaron McHale: Yay. 377 00:41:18.210 --> 00:41:22.070 Benji Fisher: we have 20 min left 378 00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:31.730 Benji Fisher: just looking at all of these comments on the next one on the list, thinking that maybe that's an indication that 379 00:41:32.390 --> 00:41:40.980 Benji Fisher: 20 min won't be enough. And this next one password suggestions are hidden from screen readers. That sounds pretty simple. Shall we look at that one next? 380 00:41:43.550 --> 00:41:47.900 Ralf Koller: That isn't that simple. I've rose it an issue of 381 00:41:49.720 --> 00:41:53.550 Aaron McHale: yeah. I wonder actually, if 382 00:41:53.580 --> 00:42:03.540 Aaron McHale: the one at the very bottom could be a a fairly straightforward one. That improved search settings held text. I am not linked to the issue. So take that with the control. But 383 00:42:03.650 --> 00:42:06.989 Benji Fisher: oh, okay. And we have listed twice. So if we 384 00:42:07.340 --> 00:42:10.340 Benji Fisher: we do. 385 00:42:11.060 --> 00:42:13.750 Aaron McHale: Oh. I wonder what? 386 00:42:14.050 --> 00:42:15.679 Aaron McHale: Oh, oh, no. 387 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.550 Aaron McHale: I wonder what that was supposed to be. 388 00:42:19.150 --> 00:42:22.960 Benji Fisher: Okay. So improved. Search settings, help. Text number 389 00:42:23.070 --> 00:42:35.370 Benji Fisher: 4, 6, 3, 106. That's a 6 digit number. So this is from 2,009. Ralph Allen, do you want to leave the discussion. 390 00:42:42.450 --> 00:42:46.379 Aaron McHale: yeah, I can. I? Just also 391 00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:51.630 Aaron McHale: the first time located. So I guess. let's see. 392 00:42:52.680 --> 00:42:57.230 Aaron McHale: okay. So 393 00:42:57.310 --> 00:43:03.410 Aaron McHale: problem with the problem. Motivation for this is to improve the search settings. Hell text 394 00:43:03.540 --> 00:43:10.239 Aaron McHale: So you go to admin conflict, search pages to view the page. 395 00:43:10.450 --> 00:43:19.070 Aaron McHale: And for that solution. There's 3 points here. Shorten the label in the indexing throttle section 396 00:43:19.090 --> 00:43:21.470 Aaron McHale: do not mention Kron again. 397 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:28.750 Aaron McHale: The second one remove the second link to the Chron configuration page same section. 398 00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:37.099 Aaron McHale: and the third one short in the text and the move italics from the default indexing settings section. 399 00:43:37.660 --> 00:43:43.670 Aaron McHale: And we yeah, there's some screenshots below. And 400 00:43:44.620 --> 00:43:46.290 and 401 00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:49.459 Aaron McHale: it this 402 00:43:53.180 --> 00:43:54.190 Aaron McHale: so 403 00:43:55.200 --> 00:44:00.530 Benji Fisher: that sounds familiar. I think we've talked about this, and then not too distant past. 404 00:44:02.310 --> 00:44:04.370 Aaron McHale: I don't. 405 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:09.489 Aaron McHale: I see it's been tied. I don't see any review comment on it. So 406 00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:14.930 Aaron McHale: although, do you actually, Benjy, you did comment on it. Your Co. It was the most recent one. 407 00:44:15.620 --> 00:44:18.559 Aaron McHale: But I don't think it was a you. 408 00:44:24.860 --> 00:44:26.509 Benji Fisher: What did I say? 409 00:44:37.930 --> 00:44:39.440 Benji Fisher: Okay. So 410 00:44:39.490 --> 00:44:43.179 Benji Fisher: so, Eric, by the way, keeps 411 00:44:43.390 --> 00:44:50.509 Benji Fisher: a apologizing for not attending the these meetings, and he he will join us when he can. 412 00:44:50.630 --> 00:44:56.870 Benji Fisher: But let's see here I have 413 00:44:57.940 --> 00:45:02.419 Benji Fisher: the live page. 414 00:45:04.430 --> 00:45:05.910 Benji Fisher: So 415 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:17.529 Benji Fisher: so what are the parts where proposing to change 416 00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:27.800 Aaron McHale: the first time, those to shorten the label in the indexing total section do not mention con again. 417 00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:30.570 Aaron McHale: Wonder if you 418 00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:39.940 Benji Fisher: so it's this label, I think, number of items per chron run 419 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.860 Benji Fisher: is it short and label or short in the description it's shorten the label. 420 00:45:46.350 --> 00:45:48.680 Ralf Koller: The description is shortened 421 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.119 Ralf Koller: and labels the same. 422 00:45:53.430 --> 00:45:57.430 Ralf Koller: Oh, no. 423 00:46:00.730 --> 00:46:04.700 Benji Fisher: Let's have a look at this after screenshot 424 00:46:08.590 --> 00:46:10.900 Benji Fisher: and I'm going to zoom in a bit. 425 00:46:14.380 --> 00:46:15.300 Benji Fisher: Okay? 426 00:46:17.390 --> 00:46:28.780 Benji Fisher: So number of items to index per run rather than number of items to index per Kron run. So it's removing the word Chron from that label. 427 00:46:29.930 --> 00:46:36.150 Benji Fisher: and then the description is shortened. So 428 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:39.140 Benji Fisher: 1 s 429 00:46:40.810 --> 00:46:43.530 Ralf Koller: it's moving to indexing run instead 430 00:46:45.120 --> 00:46:46.249 Ralf Koller: in a description. 431 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.889 Benji Fisher: Yes, the maximum number of items processed, per indexing run. 432 00:46:57.590 --> 00:47:07.879 Benji Fisher: if necessary, reduce the number of items to prevent time outs and memory errors while indexing some search page types may have their own setting for this. 433 00:47:08.640 --> 00:47:14.800 Benji Fisher: and I think that's what I'm referencing in my comments at the bottom. Right? 434 00:47:16.930 --> 00:47:21.779 Benji Fisher: the biggest change is replacing this text with 435 00:47:22.970 --> 00:47:24.370 Benji Fisher: this text. 436 00:47:27.990 --> 00:47:33.499 Benji Fisher: No, actually, that must be in a different section. 437 00:47:38.630 --> 00:47:39.830 Ralf Koller: That one. Yeah. 438 00:47:41.580 --> 00:47:44.109 Benji Fisher: So it's this description text 439 00:47:44.540 --> 00:47:47.700 Benji Fisher: that's being replaced with something simpler 440 00:47:49.080 --> 00:47:53.269 Benji Fisher: default, indexing settings. this single line. 441 00:48:01.070 --> 00:48:02.300 Benji Fisher: So 442 00:48:04.150 --> 00:48:20.680 Benji Fisher: yeah, so let's look at at that comment I left. so this text is rather long. 443 00:48:21.950 --> 00:48:25.680 Benji Fisher: and we're placing it with something about half as long. 444 00:48:26.770 --> 00:48:31.629 Benji Fisher: so the question is, are we removing anything important? 445 00:48:36.830 --> 00:48:38.150 Benji Fisher: And this was 446 00:48:38.390 --> 00:48:41.289 Benji Fisher: oh, this was only a month and a half ago. 447 00:48:41.620 --> 00:48:47.959 Benji Fisher: I only vaguely remember doing this. 448 00:48:48.540 --> 00:48:53.929 Benji Fisher: and I I guess I was trying to sort of groom an issue for for one of these meetings. 449 00:48:54.730 --> 00:49:07.380 Benji Fisher: so the current text search pages that use an index may use the default index provided by the search module, or they may use a different indexing mechanism. 450 00:49:08.020 --> 00:49:27.480 Benji Fisher: These settings are for the default index, and then in italics, changing these settings will cause the default search index to be rebuilt, to reflect the new settings. Searching will continue to work based on the existing index. But new content won't be indexed until all existing context has been re-indexed. 451 00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:33.859 Benji Fisher: New paragraph, the default settings should be appropriate for the majority of sites. 452 00:49:36.070 --> 00:49:38.349 Benji Fisher: So that's a lot of technical detail. 453 00:49:38.510 --> 00:50:00.850 Benji Fisher: and the suggestion is to say, changing these settings will cause the default search index to be rebuilt, to reflect the new settings. Searching will continue to work based on the existing index. But new content will not be indexed until all existing content has been reinvested. So that is basically the part in italics. 454 00:50:02.470 --> 00:50:12.899 Benji Fisher: so keeping the part it Alex at the italics are are there, presumably because whoever wrote this text thought that was the important part. That's why they put it in italics. 455 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:18.800 Benji Fisher: and so the suggestion is to keep just that part 456 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.530 Benji Fisher: and remove the rest. 457 00:50:27.890 --> 00:50:30.530 NETNODE AG: Any show again. The screenshot maybe 458 00:50:31.390 --> 00:50:32.530 Benji Fisher: sure. 459 00:50:43.680 --> 00:50:45.550 Ralf Koller: The only suggestion 460 00:50:45.700 --> 00:50:47.670 Ralf Koller: I would have for the 461 00:50:48.330 --> 00:50:49.950 Ralf Koller: that 462 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.170 Ralf Koller: text is maybe 463 00:50:56.540 --> 00:50:58.839 Ralf Koller: create a third sentence. 464 00:50:59.670 --> 00:51:04.439 Ralf Koller: The meaning searching will continue to work based on the existing in the Index 465 00:51:04.730 --> 00:51:12.500 Ralf Koller: period. New content will not be indexed until all existing context has been re-indexed. 466 00:51:13.700 --> 00:51:16.909 Ralf Koller: Maybe that way, you have a bit shorter sentence. 467 00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:24.650 Benji Fisher: So instead of combining 2 clauses with the but just make it 2 separate sentences. I'm sorry. Go ahead. 468 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.870 NETNODE AG: Yeah, actually, I mean. 469 00:51:28.970 --> 00:51:37.710 NETNODE AG: maybe we. We simply remove it. The whole thing, because it's kind of clear when you change the setting, that this will be applied on the next run. 470 00:51:39.030 --> 00:51:51.710 NETNODE AG: I mean, or else we should maybe add a held text in each of these sections. I I think it's like it doesn't add, really value. It just confuses people. 471 00:51:52.690 --> 00:51:54.679 NETNODE AG: I think it's quite clear that 472 00:51:56.850 --> 00:51:59.090 NETNODE AG: changing the settings. 473 00:52:00.270 --> 00:52:10.060 NETNODE AG: you need to re-index. That's the calls. If you don't change something else, you don't have to re re index. Is that right, and you scroll up 474 00:52:12.670 --> 00:52:13.559 NETNODE AG: on the 475 00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:30.820 Benji Fisher: I I think it is important to warn people that if you change these 476 00:52:31.510 --> 00:52:32.870 Benji Fisher: it will 477 00:52:32.910 --> 00:52:35.420 Benji Fisher: rebuild the search index 478 00:52:36.450 --> 00:52:48.299 Benji Fisher: on sites that have a lot of content that it can take a long. It can take a long time to rebuild the search index, so some of the other settings, like the number of items per run. 479 00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:52.000 Benji Fisher: That's not going to trigger rebuild of the search index. 480 00:52:52.110 --> 00:52:55.259 Benji Fisher: Whether or not you log searches oops. 481 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:56.800 Benji Fisher: Sorry. 482 00:52:58.150 --> 00:53:00.550 Benji Fisher: What did I do? 483 00:53:02.590 --> 00:53:06.639 NETNODE AG: just click again. I think you just zoomed it in all right. Thank you. 484 00:53:06.990 --> 00:53:20.280 Benji Fisher: What, whether or not I log searches. That's not going to clear out the current index. adding a new search page is not going to do that. 485 00:53:20.350 --> 00:53:22.229 Benji Fisher: So it's 486 00:53:23.910 --> 00:53:34.300 NETNODE AG: yeah, that's right. So my comment. to remove it is not not a good idea. but then the main point is really like. 487 00:53:34.430 --> 00:53:39.230 NETNODE AG: Oh, if you change this, you have to rebuild the index. That's it. 488 00:53:40.430 --> 00:53:45.900 NETNODE AG: whether it's default or not. This is like very advanced things. 489 00:53:47.620 --> 00:53:48.560 NETNODE AG: No, no. 490 00:53:49.070 --> 00:53:50.910 NETNODE AG: just thinking loudly. 491 00:53:51.720 --> 00:54:00.930 Benji Fisher: yeah, that's that's good. And and yes. calling it default index settings. maybe 492 00:54:01.520 --> 00:54:11.890 Benji Fisher: with that you don't need to say. This first sentence, that search pages that use an index may use the fault index, or they may use a different indexing mechanism. 493 00:54:11.970 --> 00:54:18.010 Benji Fisher: Maybe all of that is redundant because it's implicit. It's suggested by the word default 494 00:54:19.130 --> 00:54:19.800 that 495 00:54:19.950 --> 00:54:25.869 Benji Fisher: the settings are for the default index. Do you really have to say that when it's labeled as default index settings? 496 00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:39.760 NETNODE AG: yeah. So basically, your suggestion in the ticket in the last comment is, is very good. I think we we should simply set that 497 00:54:40.600 --> 00:54:47.070 NETNODE AG: from the changing these settings we calls properly until has been really indexed out. Then I think 498 00:54:48.230 --> 00:54:51.529 NETNODE AG: I think it's a good solution. It's it would be better than now. 499 00:54:57.160 --> 00:55:01.320 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I I think I agree with that anyone else agree, disagree? 500 00:55:03.230 --> 00:55:04.799 Emma: I think it sounds sensible. 501 00:55:07.630 --> 00:55:12.429 Benji Fisher: how about this last line? Do we do? We have to tell people that 502 00:55:14.120 --> 00:55:15.919 Benji Fisher: defaults are reasonable. 503 00:55:17.300 --> 00:55:21.620 NETNODE AG: I would remove it with the argument you mentioned before. It's 504 00:55:21.810 --> 00:55:25.970 NETNODE AG: in the in this section title. It's referring to the default. 505 00:55:30.200 --> 00:55:36.470 Emma: Yeah, it's not really adding anything, is it? Default settings should be appropriate for the majority of the sites? It's not. 506 00:55:41.510 --> 00:55:44.769 Benji Fisher: I mean, certainly, when when I'm managing a site. 507 00:55:45.110 --> 00:55:47.459 Benji Fisher: and I don't have 508 00:55:47.530 --> 00:55:50.909 Benji Fisher: a strong opinion or a lot of knowledge about 509 00:55:51.040 --> 00:55:53.160 Benji Fisher: what what the settings are. 510 00:55:53.270 --> 00:56:00.000 Benji Fisher: I am happy to keep the defaults, and trust that whoever provided the defaults. Put some thought into them. 511 00:56:02.120 --> 00:56:05.579 Benji Fisher: and this is just sort of emphasizing that. 512 00:56:09.350 --> 00:56:15.120 Benji Fisher: okay, so I I guess we we do like that change. We 513 00:56:15.640 --> 00:56:22.169 Benji Fisher: suggests, an additional small change that we break this up, the sentence up 514 00:56:22.770 --> 00:56:24.290 Benji Fisher: into 2. 515 00:56:26.730 --> 00:56:28.180 Benji Fisher: And 516 00:56:29.810 --> 00:56:42.199 Benji Fisher: and again, the the importance of this is that this is the only section of the form that's going to clear out the index. And and we want to alert the administrator to that fact. 517 00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:54.710 Benji Fisher: okay, so that sort of answers. The question 518 00:56:54.830 --> 00:57:00.399 Benji Fisher: I put in this comment. So we we have now thought a bit about it, and and we think it is a good idea. 519 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:15.439 Benji Fisher: we have a few more minutes, so let's go back to the top. And the proposed resolution. shorten the label in the indexing 520 00:57:17.600 --> 00:57:22.470 Benji Fisher: throttle section and do not mention Kron again. 521 00:57:23.560 --> 00:57:36.200 Benji Fisher: So I I guess you. Probably I'm responsible for that. This this current 3 points in the proposed resolution, and and maybe I should have made that 2 separate points, I think what I meant 522 00:57:36.420 --> 00:57:38.249 Benji Fisher: is that we're shortening the label. 523 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:40.829 Benji Fisher: we're just 524 00:57:42.210 --> 00:57:45.990 Benji Fisher: removing the word Kron number of items to index per run. 525 00:57:47.900 --> 00:57:49.879 Benji Fisher: And then we are 526 00:57:50.510 --> 00:57:58.479 Benji Fisher: not mentioning Chron in the description. So that's really to a change label, and to change to the description 527 00:57:58.710 --> 00:58:00.810 Benji Fisher: which I should have made 2 points. 528 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.269 Benji Fisher: And what does the screenshot show? 529 00:58:05.170 --> 00:58:14.730 Benji Fisher: number of items to run? And then 530 00:58:15.170 --> 00:58:25.840 Benji Fisher: this text down here the maximum number of items. Process for indexing. Run. if necessary, reduce the number of items to prevent time outs and memory errors. While indexing 531 00:58:25.900 --> 00:58:27.870 Benji Fisher: some search pages. 532 00:58:28.010 --> 00:58:32.610 Benji Fisher: Some search page types may have their own setting for this. 533 00:58:33.810 --> 00:58:40.980 Benji Fisher: So that is basically this text. except that it's removing a reference to chrome. 534 00:58:44.270 --> 00:58:48.539 Benji Fisher: And and I guess the the point here is that 535 00:58:50.860 --> 00:59:00.929 Benji Fisher: There are various ways to trigger the index, and you could use the built in that comes with drupal. 536 00:59:01.250 --> 00:59:07.999 Benji Fisher: But there are other ways. You can set up the the automated tasks. 537 00:59:09.640 --> 00:59:11.010 Benji Fisher: And so 538 00:59:12.590 --> 00:59:21.810 Aaron McHale: I think, like the Kron is kind of a technical detail of the fact that it's a recording task like you could be using like you can take like you can run. 539 00:59:21.850 --> 00:59:26.269 Aaron McHale: You can run triple on on a windows. Server and windows. Server doesn't have Chron. So 540 00:59:26.560 --> 00:59:32.269 Aaron McHale: like we really, we probably should stop using the temp chron in the in the ui generally. But so this is a good start. 541 00:59:33.770 --> 00:59:36.389 Benji Fisher: Okay? And any other opinions on that. 542 00:59:43.390 --> 00:59:44.490 Benji Fisher: Okay. 543 00:59:45.010 --> 00:59:52.040 Benji Fisher: and then remove the second link to the Chron configuration in the same section. 544 00:59:52.750 --> 01:00:05.320 Benji Fisher: Okay, I guess that's what we were looking at. So I guess I did have 2 points, 1 one for the label and one for the description. and then shorten the text and remove italics 545 01:00:05.650 --> 01:00:08.609 Benji Fisher: from the fault indexing section. So I I think. 546 01:00:08.870 --> 01:00:12.230 Benji Fisher: assuming that I did a decent job of summarizing 547 01:00:12.350 --> 01:00:15.899 Benji Fisher: changes in the patch. I guess we 548 01:00:16.650 --> 01:00:18.880 Benji Fisher: basically approve of all of them. 549 01:00:23.650 --> 01:00:34.480 Ralf Koller: Just one brief question in the user interface changes section point 3 and 4 in particular, the point 4, where isn't that with the italics? 550 01:00:35.020 --> 01:00:37.380 Ralf Koller: I am not sure 551 01:00:38.770 --> 01:00:40.970 Benji Fisher: you're you're not sure what it's referring to. 552 01:00:41.890 --> 01:00:46.959 Ralf Koller: Yeah. The italics in, does it refer to the content ranking section or 553 01:00:47.910 --> 01:00:50.180 Ralf Koller: where to find it in the screenshot. 554 01:00:51.260 --> 01:01:03.759 Benji Fisher: So I assumed it was referring to the thing we were talking about before, that we're just keeping this sentence, and since that's the only part we're keeping, we're no longer italicizing it. 555 01:01:03.910 --> 01:01:05.940 Benji Fisher: but maybe 556 01:01:07.110 --> 01:01:12.230 Benji Fisher: content. Ranking is now sortable, and italics are removed. So I have. 557 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.610 Benji Fisher: and and in fact, 558 01:01:26.650 --> 01:01:28.800 Benji Fisher: I think that's out of date, I think 559 01:01:29.230 --> 01:01:31.740 Benji Fisher: content ranking is now 560 01:01:33.310 --> 01:01:37.490 Benji Fisher: it's now sort of 561 01:01:37.520 --> 01:01:39.650 Benji Fisher: implemented some other issue 562 01:01:40.080 --> 01:01:48.940 Benji Fisher: label content and users operations. Yeah, I don't see any talks there. 563 01:01:49.100 --> 01:01:52.289 Benji Fisher: I think I think that's what the italics are referring to. 564 01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:53.230 Ralf Koller: Okay. 565 01:01:53.910 --> 01:01:55.559 Benji Fisher: And we are running 566 01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.249 Benji Fisher: into the end of the hour. a minute left any 567 01:02:01.350 --> 01:02:02.760 Benji Fisher: further comments. 568 01:02:07.090 --> 01:02:14.999 Benji Fisher: Okay, I plan to be back next week, but not the week after. Aaron will moderate the meeting then. 569 01:02:15.790 --> 01:02:17.019 Benji Fisher: and 570 01:02:18.580 --> 01:02:19.560 Benji Fisher: see you then 571 01:02:21.410 --> 01:02:22.690 Ralf Koller: nice weekend. 572 01:02:22.740 --> 01:02:26.090 Emma: Thanks for joining.