WEBVTT 105 00:13:42.400 --> 00:13:48.720 Benji Fisher: welcome. This is the drupal usability meeting for November seventeenth, 2023. I'm Benjy Fischer, moderating 106 00:13:49.020 --> 00:13:56.990 Benji Fisher: and also present, are Ralph Kohler, who's sharing the screen Christina Tumias, who will start off the discussion. 107 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:04.629 Benji Fisher: Erin Mchale, Emma Harrell, Simo Helston, and Thomas Howell. Thanks all for coming and go ahead. Christina. 108 00:14:07.170 --> 00:14:21.970 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, so this is a pilot test for the phase 4 of the test that we're going to run on the the new navigation that we're preparing. I'm gonna skip all the 109 00:14:22.660 --> 00:14:41.710 Cristina Chumillas: intro info that we usually do at the beginning of the the test, where we as for like permission, we explain how a test works and everything. I'm just gonna give a few instructions. But apart from that, that's gonna be all. 110 00:14:42.330 --> 00:15:05.160 Cristina Chumillas: I would explain what we are going to test. But I don't want to break and spoil it for Ralph. Who's going to be the person testing. So I, we can discuss it. Yeah, the rest of the things a little bit further, and this way this will help the rest of you to also not be spoiled. I'm not sure if you've tested already the the new navigation. 111 00:15:05.160 --> 00:15:18.270 Cristina Chumillas: So it will be great if you want to take notes during the the test. If you see something that doesn't work or you don't like, or you would do different, or I don't know whatever Ralph would 112 00:15:18.270 --> 00:15:42.959 Cristina Chumillas: say or if you are doing the test. It would be great if we can have this feedback tool. So we might not be able to change the the tests the the prototype that we're testing. But we will definitely be able to implement that in few future iteration we will love to have a new iteration by the end of December, so that would help us. 113 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:44.609 Cristina Chumillas: So 114 00:15:44.710 --> 00:15:58.610 Benji Fisher: If anyone wants to make notes as Ralph goes through this, if you put them in the Zoom chat. Then we'll have them all in one place, and it'll be a little jumbled. But at at least it'll be recorded. 115 00:16:01.760 --> 00:16:11.309 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, thank you. So basically, I would like, read the whole how it has works. But basically 116 00:16:11.310 --> 00:16:34.150 Cristina Chumillas: the most important thing would be like while you follow the steps so this document that I shared with you is divided into it would usually be on one side. It's going to be for site builders and our developers, and the other is going to be for content user, which is the one that is beyond that on the second one. 117 00:16:34.410 --> 00:16:47.299 Cristina Chumillas: And first I posted at the beginning the the site builder. One. Because I'm assuming you have enough experience with Rupaul, so I would prefer your first perform the first one. 118 00:16:47.490 --> 00:17:16.890 Cristina Chumillas: And basically it consists of going through all these steps of each scenario, reading out loud what you have to do and then do it. That's why you have the links in there, and you have the user password to to get into that and it would be great if, while you are testing you explain out loud. Something that you don't like, what you don't like, what, and 119 00:17:16.890 --> 00:17:28.420 Cristina Chumillas: obviously, just to be sure. This is testing that test, not you. So I that's the most important part. So feel free to to say whatever you think that something doesn't make sense for you. 120 00:17:28.830 --> 00:17:39.579 Cristina Chumillas: So if you want to start, I could be like starting with a scenario one and reading out loud what you have to do, and step by step, what are the steps? 121 00:17:40.490 --> 00:17:51.989 Ralf Koller: Right? Sure. I keep the instructions on the screen. Otherwise I could move it to the other screen and keep just the upload. Instance. 122 00:17:52.230 --> 00:17:53.889 Ralf Koller: share with you 123 00:17:54.160 --> 00:18:09.059 Cristina Chumillas: in a normal user test the user is just sharing the screen that he's prom, and we let the user choose. If they divide the screen in 2, or if they change tabs or but 124 00:18:09.330 --> 00:18:15.370 Cristina Chumillas: so the user chooses in the way that they actually work. 125 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:16.620 Cristina Chumillas: Normally. 126 00:18:17.860 --> 00:18:18.900 Ralf Koller: Okay. 127 00:18:19.550 --> 00:18:22.360 Ralf Koller: Then I keep it in taps. 128 00:18:22.740 --> 00:18:34.189 Ralf Koller: Okay. So scenario one for admin users or site builders is you want to create a page name about us and then add it to the main menu. 129 00:18:35.230 --> 00:18:44.640 Ralf Koller: My task is the following. lock into the yeah. URL, with the following credentials, I've already done that. 130 00:18:44.850 --> 00:18:51.880 Ralf Koller: Then create a new page code about us with the following dummy text. yeah, I'll 131 00:18:52.320 --> 00:18:54.029 Ralf Koller: copied that already. 132 00:18:55.310 --> 00:18:56.420 Ralf Koller: and 133 00:18:56.750 --> 00:19:03.820 Ralf Koller: then place this page on the main site. Menu. Translate this page to Spanish with the title, A 134 00:19:03.990 --> 00:19:10.960 Cristina Chumillas: yeah. Step by step. I just wanted to read through all the steps. 135 00:19:11.140 --> 00:19:13.430 Ralf Koller: and then 136 00:19:13.770 --> 00:19:15.110 Ralf Koller: jump over. Okay. 137 00:19:15.170 --> 00:19:17.300 Cristina Chumillas: step one is already done. 138 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:23.680 Ralf Koller: Now create a new page called about us. 139 00:19:25.260 --> 00:19:30.780 Ralf Koller: I see the sidebar. I have no shortcuts 140 00:19:32.430 --> 00:19:34.410 Ralf Koller: which are expendable. 141 00:19:35.620 --> 00:19:37.849 Ralf Koller: and I have a create. 142 00:19:38.910 --> 00:19:43.870 Ralf Koller: And Sarah already see the basic page. I'm supposed to create 143 00:19:44.990 --> 00:19:47.700 Ralf Koller: a note for 144 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.290 Ralf Koller: aside that that looks 145 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.369 Ralf Koller: familiar. The rest. Okay, I just click basic page. 146 00:19:58.650 --> 00:20:02.049 Ralf Koller: It's in English. What was the name again? 147 00:20:03.030 --> 00:20:07.759 Ralf Koller: no particular page. I don't know about us 148 00:20:12.950 --> 00:20:15.269 Ralf Koller: English. I copy in 149 00:20:32.910 --> 00:20:36.119 Ralf Koller: base this page on the main site. Menu. 150 00:20:45.050 --> 00:20:46.940 Ralf Koller: I 151 00:20:47.150 --> 00:20:49.099 Ralf Koller: check the provider menu link. 152 00:20:49.110 --> 00:20:51.250 Ralf Koller: I call it about us. 153 00:20:52.910 --> 00:21:01.130 Ralf Koller: page 154 00:21:02.570 --> 00:21:06.320 Ralf Koller: alright. and the main navigation 155 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:12.520 Ralf Koller: and 156 00:21:12.940 --> 00:21:16.069 Ralf Koller: I think, is there anything else to do in step number 157 00:21:17.930 --> 00:21:21.990 Ralf Koller: and step number 3? Place this page on the main site. Menu 158 00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:26.350 Ralf Koller: I would say, save. 159 00:21:29.790 --> 00:21:30.909 Ralf Koller: and then 160 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:35.010 Ralf Koller: I would translate it as 161 00:21:36.460 --> 00:21:40.310 Ralf Koller: required. In step number 4. 162 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:55.100 Ralf Koller: I changed the title to Soapburnosotos. 163 00:21:55.300 --> 00:21:57.319 or I would just pronounce 164 00:21:58.450 --> 00:22:01.220 Ralf Koller: in case and 165 00:22:02.840 --> 00:22:04.030 Ralf Koller: I save this 166 00:22:10.020 --> 00:22:13.979 Ralf Koller: I think scenario, one might be done. 167 00:22:17.800 --> 00:22:34.960 Cristina Chumillas: the main menu. Could you go back to that? Yeah, I only see home articles and recipes on the main menu. I'm not sure if that's not there, maybe. 168 00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:45.859 Ralf Koller: But I know. 169 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.910 Ralf Koller: Oh, one detail. 170 00:22:52.830 --> 00:22:54.970 Ralf Koller: I haven't really noticed 171 00:22:55.020 --> 00:23:00.199 Ralf Koller: visually. I'm not sure if it was there before, but the horizontal 172 00:23:00.390 --> 00:23:03.470 Ralf Koller: toolbar up there with preview and save. 173 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:07.590 Ralf Koller: and I have now 2 save buttons, and 174 00:23:07.630 --> 00:23:09.569 Ralf Koller: that I consider confusing. 175 00:23:11.300 --> 00:23:12.939 Ralf Koller: Also I have a preview 176 00:23:13.870 --> 00:23:17.029 Ralf Koller: up there, and 177 00:23:17.620 --> 00:23:22.349 Ralf Koller: also in combination. The Save button up there 178 00:23:22.420 --> 00:23:25.910 Ralf Koller: has not the addition of this translation. 179 00:23:26.270 --> 00:23:27.910 Ralf Koller: And 180 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:32.780 Ralf Koller: I'm confused about the context that way. 181 00:23:34.900 --> 00:23:35.740 Ralf Koller: That's that. 182 00:23:37.490 --> 00:23:38.290 Ralf Koller: Okay. 183 00:23:48.370 --> 00:23:49.590 back to side 184 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:57.899 Ralf Koller: in English. It's also not shown. 185 00:23:58.120 --> 00:23:59.859 I go to content. 186 00:24:02.140 --> 00:24:05.790 Ralf Koller: basic page. It is published. 187 00:24:05.860 --> 00:24:07.420 Ralf Koller: I go into edit. 188 00:24:10.750 --> 00:24:14.219 Ralf Koller: It got forgot. I thought I saw a safe. Okay? 189 00:24:30.370 --> 00:24:31.190 Ralf Koller: Oh. 190 00:24:31.620 --> 00:24:37.650 Ralf Koller: Got a suspicion. I go back in there again. 191 00:24:37.850 --> 00:24:38.710 Ralf Koller: Okay. 192 00:24:40.930 --> 00:24:42.300 Ralf Koller: provide a menu link. 193 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:44.090 Hold us. 194 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.940 Ralf Koller: page. If I go now. save up there. 195 00:24:54.400 --> 00:25:01.919 Cristina Chumillas: Hmm, okay, maybe there is some problem with the prototype. So don't worry. Okay, I'm gonna take a note from that. 196 00:25:02.390 --> 00:25:05.069 Ralf Koller: But definitely having. 197 00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:08.340 Ralf Koller: I think we'll pick in there. 198 00:25:09.430 --> 00:25:12.570 Ralf Koller: that horizontal toolbar and the other 199 00:25:13.270 --> 00:25:19.119 Ralf Koller: that angle, that vertical and horizontal 90 degrees. It's 200 00:25:19.970 --> 00:25:21.060 Ralf Koller: confusing. 201 00:25:23.740 --> 00:25:33.500 Ralf Koller: and also with the with the focus and area of attention. It's challenging for me from a cognitive standpoint 202 00:25:35.330 --> 00:25:40.870 Ralf Koller: okay, so is 203 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:43.139 Ralf Koller: scenario one, covered, then. 204 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:49.410 Cristina Chumillas: yes, yeah, then you're free to move to the next one. 205 00:25:52.050 --> 00:25:52.740 Ralf Koller: Okay. 206 00:25:52.900 --> 00:25:55.030 Ralf Koller: imagine 207 00:25:55.130 --> 00:26:04.739 Ralf Koller: in the scenario is the following, imagine that you would like to see revisions or changes or specific of a specific article. my task is the following. 208 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:07.150 Ralf Koller: oh, we don't 209 00:26:08.690 --> 00:26:13.329 Ralf Koller: tell us what you're thinking as you go look for an article in the list of content. 210 00:26:13.570 --> 00:26:18.160 Ralf Koller: Find what changes have been made to this article? 211 00:26:19.630 --> 00:26:20.540 Ralf Koller: Okay? 212 00:26:21.790 --> 00:26:26.599 Ralf Koller: So I'm going back into the content. 213 00:26:37.190 --> 00:26:40.179 Ralf Koller: One detail. I also wonder 214 00:26:41.800 --> 00:26:55.310 Ralf Koller: if I compare. I have the tab content blocks, files media. But in the sidebar only F content files and media is the case that there are no no, there are blocks. So that is, also 215 00:26:56.610 --> 00:27:04.790 Ralf Koller: confusing. But I'll stick with articles and I take a look at 216 00:27:08.750 --> 00:27:13.340 Ralf Koller: let's hear it for carrots. For example, I go in there 217 00:27:20.810 --> 00:27:24.070 Ralf Koller: otherwise check that way 218 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:33.149 Ralf Koller: and find what changes have been made to this article, and I go into the revisions tab. 219 00:27:36.260 --> 00:27:37.669 Ralf Koller: There were no changes. 220 00:27:42.290 --> 00:27:46.690 Cristina Chumillas: Could you try to do that from that form. 221 00:27:47.990 --> 00:27:50.029 Ralf Koller: from web again, again, please 222 00:27:50.100 --> 00:27:55.179 Cristina Chumillas: from could you try to do? But instead of going into the 223 00:27:55.810 --> 00:28:03.279 Cristina Chumillas: front end itself. Could you try to do that? But from the edit form, and we probably have to change the script. 224 00:28:06.410 --> 00:28:07.870 Ralf Koller: Let's go 225 00:28:09.800 --> 00:28:13.189 Ralf Koller: type green curry. Try another one. 226 00:28:23.270 --> 00:28:24.110 Ralf Koller: Okay. 227 00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:31.330 Ralf Koller: also on 228 00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:39.009 Ralf Koller: there somewhere. No. So basically, in the horizontal toolbar. 229 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.719 Ralf Koller: I have to admit I wouldn't have searched necessarily 230 00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:47.450 Ralf Koller: under more options. 231 00:28:48.470 --> 00:28:50.660 Ralf Koller: But there is 232 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.350 Ralf Koller: the revisions option now. 233 00:28:53.780 --> 00:28:55.140 Ralf Koller: and there are also 234 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.459 Ralf Koller: no available revisions there. 235 00:29:00.550 --> 00:29:07.109 Cristina Chumillas: Would you think something else if, instead of being named as 236 00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:12.089 Cristina Chumillas: more options, if it was named in another way, would be useful. 237 00:29:12.540 --> 00:29:18.380 Ralf Koller: I think 238 00:29:18.670 --> 00:29:21.279 Ralf Koller: I wouldn't necessarily have searched 239 00:29:22.180 --> 00:29:26.870 Ralf Koller: up there. I would search in the context of the advanced sidebar 240 00:29:27.870 --> 00:29:34.090 Ralf Koller: and the options there. And if basically, if something like the revisions would be available there. 241 00:29:34.870 --> 00:29:38.019 Ralf Koller: by a link, instead of 242 00:29:39.560 --> 00:29:41.239 Ralf Koller: all the different 243 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:47.129 Ralf Koller: context packed in a single generic, more options. 244 00:29:47.270 --> 00:29:49.340 Ralf Koller: select list instead 245 00:29:50.110 --> 00:29:57.010 Ralf Koller: there in the side. But we have more categories, and at least in the context of revisions. It might be 246 00:29:57.620 --> 00:29:59.980 Ralf Koller: more straightforward, from my point of view. 247 00:30:01.540 --> 00:30:05.610 Ralf Koller: to have a link there to basically go to revisions. Something like that. 248 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:08.470 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 249 00:30:09.470 --> 00:30:13.200 Cristina Chumillas: cool. 250 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:20.159 Cristina Chumillas: What else? Okay? Then, I think. 251 00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.400 Cristina Chumillas: yeah, exactly. 252 00:30:23.100 --> 00:30:26.760 Ralf Koller: Then we go to scenario 3. 253 00:30:26.990 --> 00:30:31.359 Ralf Koller: You want to add French as a new language to the site. 254 00:30:31.510 --> 00:30:41.190 Ralf Koller: Read each task out loud, then say out loud what steps you're taking in order to complete the task. Tell us what is thinking as you go. 255 00:30:42.930 --> 00:30:49.520 Ralf Koller: find it an illustration where you would add a new language and French as that new language. 256 00:30:50.830 --> 00:30:52.640 Ralf Koller: Okay, 257 00:30:56.690 --> 00:31:02.790 Ralf Koller: I would say. My first guess would be, take a look under configuration 258 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:10.829 Ralf Koller: than regions and languages. 259 00:31:11.830 --> 00:31:14.190 Ralf Koller: and then languages. 260 00:31:17.620 --> 00:31:21.910 Ralf Koller: and there I would go and add the language 261 00:31:24.360 --> 00:31:25.150 Ralf Koller: branch. 262 00:31:34.830 --> 00:31:36.549 Cristina Chumillas: did you, miss? 263 00:31:36.610 --> 00:31:44.420 Cristina Chumillas: Seeing an overview of the whole configuration options of all the pages or all the 264 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.209 Cristina Chumillas: a landing page for a configuration. 265 00:31:49.210 --> 00:31:50.319 Ralf Koller: I've tapped 266 00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:53.270 Ralf Koller: the carrot on the 267 00:31:53.560 --> 00:31:59.130 Ralf Koller: right side and expand it. The section but 268 00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:06.849 Ralf Koller: an overview page. I'm not sure if I'm able to get 269 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.720 Cristina Chumillas: and not having that is, do you think that 270 00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:17.830 Cristina Chumillas: could be a problem for you. 271 00:32:18.990 --> 00:32:30.650 Ralf Koller: honestly speaking. those overview pages. 272 00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:42.340 Ralf Koller: In most cases, I consider rather 273 00:32:44.370 --> 00:32:47.349 Ralf Koller: a distraction or unnecessary 274 00:32:47.530 --> 00:32:55.669 Ralf Koller: course. Basically on that page you just have. If you go to a page without that navigation, you have basically 275 00:32:56.050 --> 00:32:59.180 Ralf Koller: a page with just 5 to 10 links 276 00:32:59.380 --> 00:33:05.790 Ralf Koller: without with no visual cues and nothing. So 277 00:33:06.030 --> 00:33:10.129 Ralf Koller: having that in the sidebar is already enough. 278 00:33:11.350 --> 00:33:14.300 Ralf Koller: And not as not having. 279 00:33:14.340 --> 00:33:19.430 Ralf Koller: So if pages I consider okay and not a problem at all. 280 00:33:19.840 --> 00:33:25.319 Ralf Koller: it is, it's a bit unexpected. I have to admit I've intentionally 281 00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:30.860 Ralf Koller: clicked those icons cause I wanted to avoid the overview page 282 00:33:31.030 --> 00:33:35.210 Ralf Koller: by clicking so I wouldn't have noticed if you wouldn't have told me. 283 00:33:36.580 --> 00:33:41.430 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, now, could you try to get 284 00:33:41.560 --> 00:33:47.179 Cristina Chumillas: to a place where you can actually add all the seal, the content types that you have 285 00:33:48.350 --> 00:33:54.940 Cristina Chumillas: or that you can create. Probably if you want to create a content type, and you want to see an overview 286 00:33:56.790 --> 00:33:57.930 Ralf Koller: content types. 287 00:33:58.730 --> 00:34:11.989 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, sorry. That's I meant that because that's out of the of the test itself. That's basically if you want to create. And you want to see, create all the content types that you have 288 00:34:12.080 --> 00:34:19.460 Cristina Chumillas: below the create itself. You don't have a see. All this is like creating content type, not creating content. 289 00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:27.699 Cristina Chumillas: So if you want to add a new note, and you want to. Yeah, sorry 290 00:34:28.820 --> 00:34:30.839 Ralf Koller: that. Do you mean, okay. 291 00:34:32.429 --> 00:34:40.209 Cristina Chumillas: exactly below this, you don't have a see all because it's not. Also, it's not just about content. It's about also 292 00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:43.330 Cristina Chumillas: medium and other entities. 293 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.769 Cristina Chumillas: Do you think? Do you thinking here it could be a problem 294 00:34:49.060 --> 00:34:53.630 Cristina Chumillas: like, show me all the things that you have. Imagine that you have, like 295 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:58.269 Cristina Chumillas: 25 content types. And obviously you can't have them all here. 296 00:34:59.610 --> 00:35:01.570 Cristina Chumillas: Would you miss it from here? 297 00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:03.460 Ralf Koller: Hmm! 298 00:35:05.210 --> 00:35:10.390 Cristina Chumillas: If everybody listening can take notes and think about an answer that would be awesome. 299 00:35:10.890 --> 00:35:16.050 Ralf Koller: I have one other problem. 300 00:35:16.590 --> 00:35:17.800 Ralf Koller: to know 301 00:35:20.230 --> 00:35:22.300 Ralf Koller: when I get to a page 302 00:35:22.370 --> 00:35:29.480 Ralf Koller: visually, and when just the thing gets expanded, for example. 303 00:35:30.180 --> 00:35:32.670 Ralf Koller: or is it basic? Okay? Yeah. 304 00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:37.810 Ralf Koller: So basically everything with with that icon 305 00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:40.299 Ralf Koller: is just a 306 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:44.349 Ralf Koller: menu item with no page associated. 307 00:35:44.380 --> 00:35:46.940 Ralf Koller: And for all others, you know. Okay, let us 308 00:35:48.170 --> 00:35:50.930 Ralf Koller: doable. And in about your question. 309 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.110 Create. 310 00:36:09.050 --> 00:36:19.710 Ralf Koller: That's tricky cause. That would that would basically break the pattern you've established for the rest of the moment Navigation Bar cause. 311 00:36:20.870 --> 00:36:25.190 Ralf Koller: as I've stated from my perception it is. 312 00:36:25.460 --> 00:36:30.479 Ralf Koller: If an menu item has an icon, then it's just for expanding and 313 00:36:30.590 --> 00:36:36.599 Ralf Koller: collapsing, but has no associated page. But in the regard of the create page. 314 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:43.809 Ralf Koller: and also due to the fact that. as you said, there might be 20 or 40 315 00:36:43.950 --> 00:36:48.030 Ralf Koller: content types and other entity types. The 316 00:36:48.640 --> 00:36:54.819 Ralf Koller: that isn't viable in that in a single column cycle list. And 317 00:37:01.100 --> 00:37:04.150 Ralf Koller: maybe just 318 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.510 Ralf Koller: it might be a good idea, maybe 319 00:37:09.850 --> 00:37:16.480 Ralf Koller: add a second icon one for collapsing and one for reaching the actual overview page. 320 00:37:17.220 --> 00:37:27.589 Cristina Chumillas: Okay, yeah, that's that's getting yeah already into the into the solutions. And probably then we should actually open the floor to the to the rest. 321 00:37:28.210 --> 00:37:30.010 Ralf Koller: But basically. 322 00:37:31.030 --> 00:37:32.380 Ralf Koller: it's it's 323 00:37:34.190 --> 00:37:36.419 Ralf Koller: confuse. Yeah, it's at 324 00:37:36.560 --> 00:37:40.439 Ralf Koller: yeah. And it's definitely confusing. And just from a 325 00:37:40.570 --> 00:37:42.390 Ralf Koller: visual aspect. 326 00:37:42.650 --> 00:37:50.150 Ralf Koller: the the font size. 327 00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:57.240 Ralf Koller: compared to the general font size in the main content area, is slightly smaller 328 00:37:57.490 --> 00:38:00.860 Ralf Koller: and it it looks a bit tiny. 329 00:38:02.270 --> 00:38:03.300 Cristina Chumillas: Okay? 330 00:38:04.450 --> 00:38:26.809 Cristina Chumillas: So I think it's for the time that we are. And it's great that we've been able to test this. I think it's not that it's not necessary, because you've basically as a side builder, you've done everything that the content offer would do. So I don't think it's necessary that you follow with the steps from the content user. 331 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:33.109 Cristina Chumillas: So I think that's that's great. If we kind of stop here, that's great. Then 332 00:38:33.350 --> 00:38:39.720 Cristina Chumillas: So let's say, we just stop the the user test. And it could be like, 333 00:38:39.990 --> 00:38:54.379 Cristina Chumillas: until here. And then we have I think you are. Yeah, your Ross were the one let me see if I can find your comment. That, you were saying it would be great to add 334 00:38:55.890 --> 00:39:06.860 Cristina Chumillas: so I suspect in here. If we could have quest questions for what doesn't rip number 335 00:39:16.310 --> 00:39:23.710 Cristina Chumillas: you you mentioned 3 h ago would be great to have questions after that. 336 00:39:23.890 --> 00:39:26.090 Cristina Chumillas: like a questionary or something. 337 00:39:27.100 --> 00:39:29.899 Ralf Koller: That you that you're referring to? 338 00:39:30.310 --> 00:39:35.240 Ralf Koller: no, my main point was just 339 00:39:37.060 --> 00:39:41.929 Ralf Koller: the where was it 1 s? 340 00:39:48.430 --> 00:40:00.549 Ralf Koller: the interviewee should explain the question back to the interviewer in their own words. So basically what the task is. But 341 00:40:02.100 --> 00:40:03.799 Cristina Chumillas: the I see 342 00:40:03.820 --> 00:40:05.590 Ralf Koller: the 343 00:40:05.690 --> 00:40:09.980 Ralf Koller: The task itself were clear from my point of view. 344 00:40:11.780 --> 00:40:13.740 Cristina Chumillas: And okay, 345 00:40:13.850 --> 00:40:24.889 Cristina Chumillas: Then, could you jump into the the extra questions at the bottom of the document. This is something that we're going to ask for all to all participants. To fill 346 00:40:25.730 --> 00:40:27.720 Cristina Chumillas: this extra form. 347 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:31.610 Ralf Koller: I post the link in the chat. 348 00:40:31.950 --> 00:40:33.089 Ralf Koller: If this is okay. 349 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:48.479 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, it's okay. I'm gonna probably clean up everything. After guards all the answers so we keep the answers from the final testers. But yeah, it's basically 350 00:40:48.600 --> 00:40:52.100 Cristina Chumillas: how is it called a 351 00:40:53.060 --> 00:40:58.319 Cristina Chumillas: The briefing questions. it's basically to see. 352 00:40:58.350 --> 00:41:11.519 Cristina Chumillas: because sometimes people would say, ideally, I don't like this, but then, they think, No, no, this it's really use usual, or usable and 353 00:41:12.460 --> 00:41:16.510 Cristina Chumillas: those are kind of the briefing questions for 354 00:41:16.520 --> 00:41:20.620 Cristina Chumillas: asking a little bit on how people perceive that. 355 00:41:20.830 --> 00:41:30.169 Cristina Chumillas: So could you try to answer that? And then the rest of the people could see the form at the same time. To see if they think that's useful 356 00:41:30.560 --> 00:41:44.940 Ralf Koller: okay, II think for that form. Those steps I've posted in the Channel are more appropriate 357 00:41:45.140 --> 00:41:53.800 Ralf Koller: cause in that. Those over here are more or less clear, but those are unsupervised, and 358 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:05.479 Ralf Koller: that makes way more way, more sense. So I think that I would like to use the new navigation frequently. The question I ask myself here is, is there another option? 359 00:42:08.390 --> 00:42:10.220 Ralf Koller: So 360 00:42:13.030 --> 00:42:17.300 Ralf Koller: in the current form, I would say. 361 00:42:19.060 --> 00:42:21.630 Ralf Koller: A 3 course. 362 00:42:21.870 --> 00:42:26.709 Ralf Koller: The point is 363 00:42:28.060 --> 00:42:35.280 Ralf Koller: the horizontal navigation power or toolbar, or however it's addressed. 364 00:42:36.710 --> 00:42:38.520 Ralf Koller: I consider problematic. 365 00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:43.720 Ralf Koller: and I have to admit the vertical toolbar. 366 00:42:44.670 --> 00:42:51.380 Ralf Koller: I'm not a real fan. I dislike the one in Claro. 367 00:42:51.830 --> 00:42:53.380 Ralf Koller: I 368 00:42:53.560 --> 00:42:56.130 Ralf Koller: always use the horizontal one 369 00:42:56.360 --> 00:43:09.640 Cristina Chumillas: 1 s just to Be sure that we're all discussing the same when you say you're not a fan of the vertical, you mean? You're not a fan of the original. You mean the one at the top. 370 00:43:11.070 --> 00:43:15.469 Ralf Koller: No, I'm not a fan of the toolbar. 371 00:43:15.810 --> 00:43:18.679 Cristina Chumillas: the vertical in the left orientation. This. 372 00:43:18.750 --> 00:43:20.619 Cristina Chumillas: So this one right now. 373 00:43:20.770 --> 00:43:24.480 Ralf Koller: like in the same, like 1 s test 374 00:43:24.790 --> 00:43:26.870 Ralf Koller: oops if you switch it 375 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.839 Ralf Koller: like that one. I always I don't like it at all. 376 00:43:31.090 --> 00:43:34.239 Ralf Koller: and I always used the horizontal one. 377 00:43:34.510 --> 00:43:42.999 Ralf Koller: And so I'm sort of biased having the toolbar 378 00:43:43.210 --> 00:43:47.950 Ralf Koller: vertical here at the moment is the only option cause. Also I, 379 00:43:49.360 --> 00:44:04.469 Cristina Chumillas: and Ralph, I think you also use the contributed admin toolbar module. Yup, that's that's the reasoning behind. 380 00:44:04.870 --> 00:44:05.859 Ralf Koller: the 3 381 00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:16.970 Ralf Koller: I found the new navigation unnecessarily complex. that is a 382 00:44:17.350 --> 00:44:18.350 Ralf Koller: for me. 383 00:44:18.490 --> 00:44:27.639 Ralf Koller: Ask myself, do you ask in general, or would you divide that question into 2? Because for me, the 384 00:44:29.180 --> 00:44:33.300 Ralf Koller: the the vertical toolbar? Here 385 00:44:33.410 --> 00:44:37.589 Ralf Koller: is one part, but in particular, if your eye 386 00:44:38.120 --> 00:44:40.719 Ralf Koller: on the edit screen, and having, though that 387 00:44:41.950 --> 00:44:44.610 Ralf Koller: is that also part of the navigation. 388 00:44:46.730 --> 00:44:53.310 Cristina Chumillas: as is also considered as part of the so basically we have the left sidebar 389 00:44:53.310 --> 00:45:18.309 Cristina Chumillas: which is has been tested for 3 rooms already, and this fourth test is only to test things well, not only, but is to test things from the top bar because it's the first time that we've done this. I this prototype, this iteration of the top bar itself we're testing, if it's useful to like open and close us. 390 00:45:18.310 --> 00:45:27.680 Cristina Chumillas: but on the right, if it's the buttons that we have, make sense. If, removing the local tasks to the top makes sense. 391 00:45:28.010 --> 00:45:31.000 Cristina Chumillas: And all these things. So 392 00:45:32.610 --> 00:45:35.320 Ralf Koller: of course, the the question is. 393 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.330 Ralf Koller: from my point of view, not precise. 394 00:45:38.350 --> 00:45:51.389 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, that's because we are. We don't want to actually condition the people answer between the left and the top. This is going to be a test to people, to the whole 395 00:45:51.510 --> 00:46:10.989 Cristina Chumillas: thing that we are suggesting. I mean, I'm explaining that to you. So you understand. But I don't want to make this difference. So any input, when we are doing the test that's going to be, I just just wanted to provide my point of view cause that makes me 396 00:46:12.200 --> 00:46:15.430 Ralf Koller: struggle. Answering the question costs 397 00:46:15.530 --> 00:46:20.179 Ralf Koller: in regards to the scope, if I would answer just for the left side. But I would say. 398 00:46:20.190 --> 00:46:23.839 Ralf Koller: A 3 or 2. It's 399 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.639 Ralf Koller: an improved pattern 400 00:46:27.660 --> 00:46:32.879 Ralf Koller: of an already existing sidebar. But 401 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.090 Ralf Koller: in combination with the top bar I would give it a 5. 402 00:46:41.120 --> 00:46:47.959 Ralf Koller: yeah, the the top, the the top eyes quite challenging for me. 403 00:46:48.500 --> 00:46:53.289 Cristina Chumillas: The 5 means that you don't like. 404 00:46:53.420 --> 00:47:02.180 Cristina Chumillas: Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Unnecessarily complex. It's challenging for me that way. Yeah. 405 00:47:03.110 --> 00:47:08.470 Ralf Koller: I thought the new navigation was easy to use. 406 00:47:12.740 --> 00:47:14.030 Ralf Koller: I would give it a 407 00:47:15.870 --> 00:47:16.560 one. 408 00:47:16.730 --> 00:47:18.749 Ralf Koller: but and I'll give it a 2 409 00:47:18.820 --> 00:47:25.149 Ralf Koller: again. It's a question of the scope. and also, if I would 410 00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:28.280 Ralf Koller: associate the 411 00:47:29.470 --> 00:47:32.230 Ralf Koller: top toolbar with the 412 00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:33.710 Ralf Koller: sidebar 413 00:47:35.230 --> 00:47:43.719 Ralf Koller: if I wouldn't have the feedback by you. Then I would be unsure. Therefore, yeah. But I would give it a 2. 414 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.230 Ralf Koller: Basically, it's 415 00:47:49.810 --> 00:47:53.650 Ralf Koller: yeah. The the top bar made it complicated. 416 00:47:53.890 --> 00:48:06.359 Ralf Koller: Think that I would need the support of a technical person to use the new navigation. No. I found my way. It it was just in some parts nagging 417 00:48:06.580 --> 00:48:10.030 Ralf Koller: and confusing until I realized 418 00:48:10.430 --> 00:48:17.839 Ralf Koller: how things work. And there was also a potential issue. You've said when the menu wasn't saved 419 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:23.690 Ralf Koller: but aside that I don't think that I would need any technical assistance. 420 00:48:24.380 --> 00:48:33.350 Ralf Koller: found the various functions in the new navigation were well integrated. 421 00:48:37.570 --> 00:48:41.180 Benji Fisher: What does that mean? 422 00:48:42.580 --> 00:48:45.679 Cristina Chumillas: Sorry I was answering on and on that chat. Could you repeat? 423 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:55.350 Ralf Koller: I found the various functions of the navigation to be well integrated, and then she asked, what did? What does that actually mean? 424 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.819 Ralf Koller: And I can 425 00:48:58.950 --> 00:49:01.130 Ralf Koller: agree to that. 426 00:49:05.640 --> 00:49:18.040 Ralf Koller: in the sidebar. I for for the ease I call it as the vertical side, but just sidebar, for now and the top bar, I'm yeah just top bar. And I would say 427 00:49:19.540 --> 00:49:22.510 Ralf Koller: I would give the sidebar 428 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:24.930 Ralf Koller: probably a 429 00:49:26.370 --> 00:49:31.609 Ralf Koller: 3 or 4 cause having more 430 00:49:32.570 --> 00:49:43.309 Ralf Koller: dive and drag access for the creation of entities is a good thing, but, as you already noted, in case there are more. It gets complicated. And 431 00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:54.019 Ralf Koller: yeah, but an easy problem definitely. That would would give us 3 or 4. But with the with the top bar. 432 00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.739 Ralf Koller: I would rather tend. I really struggle with it. To be honest. 433 00:50:00.930 --> 00:50:02.610 Cristina Chumillas: So 434 00:50:03.410 --> 00:50:07.220 Cristina Chumillas: probably, I think. Sorry. Finish finish. 435 00:50:07.850 --> 00:50:32.020 Cristina Chumillas: No, I'm go ahead. Okay, yeah, I was going to say, it's only like, 15 min. And I think, maybe instead of going through the the test it might be more useful to let the rest of the people, because I see a lot of people have of opinions, and maybe it might be good like to discuss as a group like the whole navigation instead of 436 00:50:32.730 --> 00:51:01.789 Cristina Chumillas: because, yeah, there are still like several questions. And I definitely will help me to see that this is not a half an hour test. It's more like 45, 1 h test. So this is really helpful. I think we should actually open the floor now to the rest of the people. But if you want to give any final thoughts to this like any 437 00:51:01.810 --> 00:51:03.550 Ralf Koller: brief edition. 438 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:06.210 Ralf Koller: I'll 439 00:51:06.530 --> 00:51:12.500 Ralf Koller: finish the survey after the meeting, and I give you quick feedback to each of the 440 00:51:12.650 --> 00:51:14.080 Ralf Koller: open questions. 441 00:51:14.120 --> 00:51:17.059 Ralf Koller: in regards of 442 00:51:17.350 --> 00:51:23.000 Ralf Koller: if a rephrasing might be necessary or not, just as a feedback. 443 00:51:23.660 --> 00:51:25.429 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, thank you. I will love that. 444 00:51:27.120 --> 00:51:32.849 Ralf Koller: Okay. Sha, shall I switch to the other screen, and so the floor is open for the rest. 445 00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:55.960 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah. So just before jumping in let let me just give me give you some more information. So so far we've done 3 tests this would be like the fourth some of the things that we found as a this is an answer for simo some of the things that we've tested. 446 00:51:56.240 --> 00:52:20.099 Cristina Chumillas: Well, where? If so we've seen that people that has ex experience with the Co. Existing toolbar will have a lot of not a lot of but will have resistance to change most of the time, because they just use first to the top bar, and second, they have the bad experience with the left navigation with the top bar, the existing one. 447 00:52:20.250 --> 00:52:27.860 Cristina Chumillas: So I've we've seen a lot of resistance from people, and this will 448 00:52:28.030 --> 00:52:36.870 Cristina Chumillas: probably have to be managed with how was it. The technical word for this managed change 449 00:52:36.980 --> 00:52:59.240 Cristina Chumillas: manage changes strategy or something like that, where we will actually give people reasons to change to the new one for the site builders especially so they will be able to create new menus, arrange menu, reorganize so to increment the adoption of that something else that we found is that content users or people that don't have experience? 450 00:52:59.380 --> 00:53:22.519 Cristina Chumillas: They? Because on the first test, what we did was like control versions, with the top bar and the left bar, and absolutely all users that didn't have experience with drupal preferred the left one, because it's a more useful, sorry, more usual pattern on most of the 451 00:53:22.670 --> 00:53:30.010 Cristina Chumillas: tools that you can find around across the web. Basically, if you have, like a really 452 00:53:30.430 --> 00:53:48.019 Cristina Chumillas: complex navigation. And we did some research on that like while on the left, and and everything like, especially like with like. Let me see if I remember all the reasons. But there is a lot there. There is a link for that. There is. 453 00:53:48.140 --> 00:53:58.490 Cristina Chumillas: some reason I'm behind that which is most of the people working group all on desktop. Then you have more original space and all of that. Then 454 00:53:58.660 --> 00:54:13.789 Cristina Chumillas: why we introduced this top bar. It's because so first on complex forums. A lot of people were missing a save button that wasn't just on the bottom. 455 00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:25.760 Cristina Chumillas: But you are right that when you have 2 but buttons. It's complex. Well, we can discuss that with all of you. But basically there were several integrations 456 00:54:25.900 --> 00:54:34.499 Cristina Chumillas: that didn't make sense on the Tulver, especially if you collapse that Tulburg, could you try to collapse at Tulver? 1 s. 457 00:54:35.080 --> 00:54:37.199 Ralf Koller: On here. 458 00:54:37.630 --> 00:54:42.910 Cristina Chumillas: Okay. 459 00:54:43.560 --> 00:55:02.220 Cristina Chumillas: yeah. This left one the option to Co to expand. Icon collapses. The toolbar. That's something that people at at the beginning didn't phone. But afterwards people really like to be able. Most of them said, Yeah, well, I think after time I would probably navigate this way because I will like 460 00:55:02.610 --> 00:55:12.029 Cristina Chumillas: I wouldn't know where stuff is, and everything, and that would give me more real estate space and everything. So 461 00:55:12.120 --> 00:55:19.340 Cristina Chumillas: That's it. And I don't want to speak more. I should actually release unto you. So thoughts 462 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:26.509 Benji Fisher: go ahead, Thomas. 463 00:55:28.120 --> 00:55:50.080 Thomas Howell: Very briefly. Ii kind of like some of the changes. But the the thing that I would note is that it feels like a pretty hefty change. And so it's something like the save buttons. I was less bothered by the fact that there were 2 buttons than that they looked very different. 464 00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:58.269 Thomas Howell: There! There wasn't continuity between the 2 of them, so I was putting them as being different purposes. 465 00:55:58.460 --> 00:56:01.499 Benji Fisher: Hey, Ralph, could you scroll down and see the other? Save button? 466 00:56:02.090 --> 00:56:19.610 Cristina Chumillas: Thanks. Yeah. So some context about that. Yeah. Sorry. That's much information that I'm missing. to give you. Basically. There are 3 things happening here. First, we're working on the layout redesign. 467 00:56:19.650 --> 00:56:40.890 Cristina Chumillas: which means that we're trying to change move things from places. We have this left bar. So we will have the top bar for more contextual things partum. Apart from that, we want to have some kind of bottom notifications part. And that's the answer to Simon that was saying, maybe we should always have them. 468 00:56:41.160 --> 00:56:50.340 Cristina Chumillas: at the bottom. The prom is that the bottom part right now is use for other it's only used right now for the 469 00:56:50.380 --> 00:57:13.570 Cristina Chumillas: those bull corporations when you have something selected. But in the future we might have notifications at the bottom, and usually it's a pattern that I think it's more used on the I on the bottom. But yeah, that's the the 4 sites that we have left top bottom, and then on the right. You have either the settings today on or the sidebar. 470 00:57:13.690 --> 00:57:19.420 Cristina Chumillas: and that's the layout navigation. And on top of that we're redesigning cloud. 471 00:57:19.550 --> 00:57:30.849 Cristina Chumillas: and these styles instead of being implemented with the existing Clara styles the person that implemented the top bar prototype just 472 00:57:30.850 --> 00:57:51.609 Cristina Chumillas: copied the the styles from the from the prototype that we gave, and we're to to for the sake of doing things first. We're just reusing this the new styles that we're working on. So that's why they look different. The plan is that they shouldn't look different. But that's it. And also about the redesign 473 00:57:51.610 --> 00:58:01.759 Cristina Chumillas: layout, redesign and cloud or redesign is that we are trying to get to? We're resign redesigning cloud on a way that it will look like 474 00:58:02.030 --> 00:58:18.950 Cristina Chumillas: on this. this is something that we agreed a while ago with Sasha, and he has implemented that on June. So if you're seeing Jean, there is like a back grey background. And then everything is like wrapped in white layers or areas. 475 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:24.729 Cristina Chumillas: And that's that's it. That's why it looks different. So 476 00:58:26.740 --> 00:58:31.240 Benji Fisher: okay, I'm gonna ask Ralph to hold on to his question for Ben Aaron, can you go next? 477 00:58:31.340 --> 00:58:43.779 Aaron McHale: Hi, thanks. Yeah. I just wanted to add that obviously, I've I've kind of been a bit involved in this a bit longer. In test and triple con. So I want any direct questions. I just wanted to also add that 478 00:58:43.780 --> 00:59:02.580 Aaron McHale: one of the advantages at the top bar is that it. It provides a a consistent experience between the front end of the back end for things like the breadcrumb and the local. A local tasks. And that's something that's often I found can be 479 00:59:02.580 --> 00:59:10.250 Aaron McHale: confusing if you're try, you know, particularly if you go from like the view of like your viewing content, then you go to edit. 480 00:59:10.250 --> 00:59:34.040 Aaron McHale: and then you would revisions, or something like the local tasks and the bread bum, or jumping all over the place because they're different. They're positioned and look differently in the in the back end and front end. So a really important thing about this new top bar is, it provides a that consistency between the back end and front end. And that's something we actually Edinburgh we have with our current Cms where there's a a consistency there. And that's something that, I think is a is a good. 481 00:59:34.040 --> 00:59:39.049 Aaron McHale: you know it's a good partner and something I've been you know, keen that we we introduce 482 00:59:41.420 --> 00:59:58.920 Aaron McHale: so is that outside the theme system? Or or do you need the front end and back end theme to? Oh, yeah, the universe. And ever we have a the same front end, back end them is the same but on our old system. But in this II don't know how 483 00:59:59.070 --> 01:00:00.110 Aaron McHale: a 484 01:00:00.140 --> 01:00:02.929 Aaron McHale: I don't know what the plot is for this. Yeah. So 485 01:00:03.500 --> 01:00:23.219 Cristina Chumillas: don't look at the code right now. This is a really th. They did it really really well for the time that they had. But it's like It's like, it's something that we didn't want to invest a lot of time to make sure that we prove that it's useful for people that actually, people think that that's worth 486 01:00:24.310 --> 01:00:26.670 Cristina Chumillas: so Andy, creep back. Welcome. 487 01:00:27.430 --> 01:00:28.579 Benji Fisher: Ralph, go ahead. 488 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:33.709 Ralf Koller: Just one brief edition. 489 01:00:34.330 --> 01:00:36.500 Ralf Koller: to the 490 01:00:37.930 --> 01:00:50.229 Ralf Koller: cause. I've just actually tried over here. I have the visual queue. That structure, for example, has submenu items, but if that is collapsed, 491 01:00:52.650 --> 01:00:57.439 Ralf Koller: it's not necessary. I'm not sure is, here's something underneath. Okay, yeah. But 492 01:00:57.710 --> 01:01:01.310 Ralf Koller: the point is also okay, that is clear. But 493 01:01:01.550 --> 01:01:07.000 Ralf Koller: here it's kept open. But 494 01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:16.949 Ralf Koller: if you move aside? okay, yeah. If I just have when I've tried, chin 495 01:01:17.060 --> 01:01:21.250 Ralf Koller: always struggled that the 496 01:01:21.470 --> 01:01:23.240 Ralf Koller: menu closed. But 497 01:01:24.910 --> 01:01:30.100 Ralf Koller: so, having just clicked and that is kept open would be maybe 498 01:01:30.330 --> 01:01:32.370 Ralf Koller: a nice touch or a few 499 01:01:34.690 --> 01:01:42.039 Ralf Koller: seems like some visual indication of which which these are actual links and which are groups of links. 500 01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:51.700 Benji Fisher: Okay, we have only 5 min left, I think. Emily, that's what he'd like to say. 501 01:01:52.420 --> 01:02:04.360 Emma Horrell: I just had a question. Where the actions that Ralph took for each of the different tasks in the scenario. Was that what you expected to see Christina Aaron, or 502 01:02:05.410 --> 01:02:14.819 Emma Horrell: because sometimes it can be really difficult to get the task right for this kind of thing with navigation, because in my experience testing this sort of thing, people aren't really looking 503 01:02:15.530 --> 01:02:20.079 Emma Horrell: well. People will comment on menus, because, as we've established, they'll have 504 01:02:20.220 --> 01:02:27.750 Emma Horrell: preconceived ideas of how they think it will work based on what they have before. But what you really want them to do is just focus on the task. So 505 01:02:28.720 --> 01:02:37.480 Emma Horrell: you can see naturally how they're using the navigation cause. Any navigation can be a bit clunky the first time you use it. But it's sort of 506 01:02:37.690 --> 01:02:51.499 Emma Horrell: you know, that can. Is that initial reaction? Can sometimes not that. Be that helpful to help you decide on the right route, because if people can figure it out. then that's, you know, quite a good indicator that that you've 507 01:02:51.670 --> 01:02:56.780 Emma Horrell: put things in the right place, like if you saw him fail on those tasks, that 508 01:02:56.830 --> 01:02:58.630 Emma Horrell: would be a red flag that 509 01:02:59.020 --> 01:03:10.789 Emma Horrell: you know this is not worked. But yeah, I guess I guess sorry round about way of asking. Did do you have like the answers to the tasks that you expected to see to sort of help guide decisions. Or 510 01:03:11.470 --> 01:03:13.609 Emma Horrell: is that something you need to work on? 511 01:03:14.470 --> 01:03:26.949 Cristina Chumillas: I think I have a few hypotheses of things that doesn't work with the top bar already. Like, for example, the the Us. remember who said. 512 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:37.370 Cristina Chumillas: I think it cost Thomas like that. They don't look. That's the way that they should look like. If they are, they are not what people would expect like. For example, the preview should look as the preview at the bottom. 513 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:46.940 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, the more options should look like us. To bring name different. And at the same time it actually 514 01:03:47.270 --> 01:04:04.989 Cristina Chumillas: kind of in head inherits the problem that the local tasks have, which is basically a packet of different things that don't make any sense together. But we know they were there. So probably in here we should have more actions. And then we we have options like provisions, or I don't know 515 01:04:05.030 --> 01:04:24.970 Cristina Chumillas: things that are not as much as doing an action on this actual thing. Actual note? Maybe they should, as say, they should stay on the sidebar instead of on these actions and be more actions. So we need probably to separate that. So I think it's 516 01:04:25.130 --> 01:04:32.259 Cristina Chumillas: the feedback is really, it's good, it really useful? I'm not sure if we will be able to change any of that on time. 517 01:04:32.550 --> 01:04:34.120 Cristina Chumillas: But I think, 518 01:04:34.810 --> 01:04:38.600 Cristina Chumillas: yeah, this is actually showing that these have 519 01:04:38.640 --> 01:04:40.930 Cristina Chumillas: a lot of 520 01:04:41.630 --> 01:04:46.039 Cristina Chumillas: way like a lot of things to to improve. 521 01:04:46.650 --> 01:04:55.650 Cristina Chumillas: the goal of this test is basically validating the fact that we need or not meet this top bar. 522 01:04:55.650 --> 01:05:23.069 Cristina Chumillas: The problem is that if we don't have this top bar, where do we put all this stuff that we need? You know what I mean. So that's why we came up with the idea that of the top bar. Because I think we've if this stays sticky it's going to be useful. Maybe the solution, instead of having 2 buttons, is that the moment that you scroll down the got on the bottom is that is, at the bottom, instead of being at the top and at the bottom, or that they never show at the same time, or I don't know. 523 01:05:23.120 --> 01:05:24.740 Cristina Chumillas: I still don't know. 524 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:37.430 Emma Horrell: Yeah, there's a lot of options it is is a lot of options, I guess. I mean, although Ralph said he didn't think he would find in more options. He did find it there. So that. 525 01:05:37.570 --> 01:05:42.430 And if you've seen from the other 4 people that they also found the revisions there 526 01:05:43.210 --> 01:05:48.049 Emma Horrell: like, I said, sometimes it just PE people do something for the first time. It's 527 01:05:48.070 --> 01:05:55.299 Emma Horrell: difficult, but if they manage it, then the second time they know where it is. So sorry, Ralph, you have your hand up 528 01:05:56.650 --> 01:05:58.619 Ralf Koller: no worries, no worries. Go ahead! 529 01:05:59.080 --> 01:06:03.569 Emma Horrell: No, I'm I think I'm I'm done, really. It's 530 01:06:03.740 --> 01:06:07.539 Ralf Koller: then just one brief addition. 531 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:16.449 Ralf Koller: considered it also a bit confusing. On here you have the edit about us. 532 01:06:17.690 --> 01:06:24.909 Ralf Koller: while if you go over here, you basically have a bread chrome instead, and 533 01:06:26.610 --> 01:06:28.480 Ralf Koller: I'm not sure 534 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:37.230 Cristina Chumillas: I'm gonna show you the designs that we're working on. 535 01:06:37.690 --> 01:06:41.089 Cristina Chumillas: I'm I'm afraid we're at the end of the hour. 536 01:06:41.420 --> 01:06:46.939 Benji Fisher: so feel free to continue the discussion in slack. But II think we should. 537 01:06:47.560 --> 01:06:49.020 And the meeting at this point. 538 01:06:49.870 --> 01:06:51.760 Cristina Chumillas: do we have one more minute? 539 01:06:52.030 --> 01:06:52.940 Benji Fisher: Okay. 540 01:06:53.950 --> 01:06:56.640 Cristina Chumillas: just to be sure. 541 01:06:57.720 --> 01:06:58.710 design mode. 542 01:06:59.350 --> 01:07:10.389 Cristina Chumillas: Yeah, design more. So you can see. If you zoom into the the top one or or the form one. As you can see, the the 543 01:07:10.830 --> 01:07:17.529 Cristina Chumillas: top bar visually looks different. It's not as confusing. Because you have like this gray 544 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:19.170 Cristina Chumillas: parting here. 545 01:07:19.540 --> 01:07:37.870 Cristina Chumillas: So you have also some context, because I would love to have more feedback from you. So if you want to throw that in a slack, or if you want to open a a joint is issue with all the feedback from the people in the call today on the Navigation or I don't know. However, you want to 546 01:07:37.890 --> 01:07:47.039 Cristina Chumillas: give me feedback, or if you want me to join the next meeting well, I can provide you a link to test all these. 547 01:07:48.420 --> 01:07:54.080 Cristina Chumillas: whatever you prefer. And yes, I'm done. That's the main note that I was asking for. 548 01:07:57.130 --> 01:07:58.099 Ralf Koller: Thank you. 549 01:07:58.460 --> 01:08:09.410 Benji Fisher: Okay, thanks. All for coming. I don't usually copy the meeting chat, but this time I will. So you'll see that on the Usability issue 550 01:08:09.780 --> 01:08:13.800 Benji Fisher: and the rough Transcript and 551 01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:16.649 Benji Fisher: probably early next week, I'll 552 01:08:17.180 --> 01:08:23.749 Benji Fisher: the recording thanks again for coming, and we'll do it again next week. 553 01:08:25.120 --> 01:08:33.879 Thomas Howell: Thanks. Hope you can make it. I had a quick question. Benji. Are the is the time changing at any point, or we gonna continue to be meeting at this time. 554 01:08:35.580 --> 01:08:45.600 Benji Fisher: Currently, I plan to to keep the the meeting time. If we want to change it, we can discuss that. I guess it's not set in stone. But but that's the current plan. 555 01:08:46.670 --> 01:08:52.640 Thomas Howell: Okay, current plan is to stick at the the 8 Am. For Central. Got it? Thank you. 556 01:08:52.850 --> 01:08:53.590 Benji Fisher: Awesome. 557 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:56.990 Thomas Howell: Thanks. Everyone. Let's keep talking on slack. 558 01:08:57.340 --> 01:09:00.489 Simo Hellsten: Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. Bye. Have a nice weekend. 559 01:09:00.609 --> 01:09:01.380 Simo Hellsten: But.