WEBVTT 70 00:11:00.660 --> 00:11:13.260 benji: Welcome. This is the drupal usability meeting for 2 January fifth, 2024. I'm Benji Fisher moderating. And also here are Ralph's Kohler, who's sharing a screen, and we'll start off the discussion. 71 00:11:13.640 --> 00:11:18.690 benji: And Emma Harle, author shawl and Simo Helston so go ahead, Ralph. 72 00:11:20.660 --> 00:11:22.400 Ralf Koller: Thank you. 73 00:11:24.030 --> 00:11:29.599 Ralf Koller: Few days ago angry toast brought up oops just to load again. 74 00:11:32.350 --> 00:11:36.840 benji: II can read the issue. Number 2, 8, 1, 1, 0 4, 3. 75 00:11:37.550 --> 00:11:43.119 Ralf Koller: Yep, thank you. File format a render absolute URL to file 76 00:11:43.630 --> 00:11:47.020 Ralf Koller: it's basically about the following 77 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:48.130 Ralf Koller: on. 78 00:11:49.170 --> 00:11:51.880 Ralf Koller: I go into that one. 79 00:11:54.410 --> 00:11:58.900 Ralf Koller: Yep, on manage display. You 80 00:11:58.910 --> 00:12:04.080 Ralf Koller: edit the following, formating option, URL to image, to image as well as file. 81 00:12:04.100 --> 00:12:05.989 Ralf Koller: That way it is. 82 00:12:06.490 --> 00:12:09.859 Ralf Koller: It is adding basically just the following checkbox 83 00:12:09.880 --> 00:12:16.660 Ralf Koller: render as absolute, yeah, URL, if checked links will be rendered as absolute. Yeah, Urls. And that way. 84 00:12:17.190 --> 00:12:22.419 Ralf Koller: for to illustrate the functionality. 85 00:12:22.430 --> 00:12:23.460 Ralf Koller: I've left 86 00:12:23.630 --> 00:12:27.459 Ralf Koller: for images, the checkbox unchecked, while for files 87 00:12:27.630 --> 00:12:28.450 Ralf Koller: I've 88 00:12:28.780 --> 00:12:31.510 Ralf Koller: kept it checked, and that way 89 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:34.420 Ralf Koller: you can see 90 00:12:34.520 --> 00:12:44.490 Ralf Koller: without being checked. You get the output sites default, file styles while public and the file name, while for files you get the whole 91 00:12:45.130 --> 00:12:46.560 Ralf Koller: https. 92 00:12:46.590 --> 00:12:53.920 Ralf Koller: Then the chop table domain and the rest of the path 93 00:12:54.170 --> 00:12:57.840 Ralf Koller: you had before in the relative one. 94 00:12:57.940 --> 00:13:00.530 Ralf Koller: That is basically 95 00:13:00.680 --> 00:13:07.659 Ralf Koller: the functionality that is being added and oops, I can quickly 96 00:13:08.970 --> 00:13:11.200 Ralf Koller: pull up the chat. 97 00:13:13.450 --> 00:13:23.449 Ralf Koller: the points in question, the strings in questions. usability review was requested for is render as absolute 98 00:13:23.540 --> 00:13:33.770 Ralf Koller: URL and render as relative, URL, and if checked links will be rendered as absolute Urls. The description. And 99 00:13:34.560 --> 00:13:49.799 Ralf Koller: yeah, the questions were, the newly edited strings uses. Yeah, URL, in lower case it looks like the preferred style is either yeah, URL capitalized or yeah Urls. And regarding the event also, I don't think that render is used in the triple Ui that was brought up in 100 00:13:49.970 --> 00:13:55.170 Ralf Koller: the commence. What's recommended? In that case? 101 00:13:55.280 --> 00:14:02.209 Ralf Koller: I see that the link field formata uses show. Urls plaintext does. If checked links will show. 102 00:14:02.250 --> 00:14:08.169 Ralf Koller: or more active show is absolutely L work. Those were the questions. 103 00:14:08.230 --> 00:14:10.510 benji: I think so slow slow down a second. Yep. 104 00:14:10.790 --> 00:14:21.529 benji: So if I understand correctly. This issue is about giving the same options for images that we already have for files 105 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.060 benji: when rendering. 106 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.950 benji: rendering the the image as a yeah. URL, 107 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:32.730 benji: is that right? 108 00:14:33.770 --> 00:14:36.110 Ralf Koller: I'm 109 00:14:36.520 --> 00:14:46.640 Ralf Koller: not exactly remember. I can quickly unapply the patch, and we can take a look how it looks like without a patch applied. 110 00:14:48.760 --> 00:14:54.730 benji: Okay? Or or you could use the site I've prepared. Let me put the link in 111 00:14:55.290 --> 00:15:00.590 benji: zoom chat, and anyone can log into this one as usual with 112 00:15:03.180 --> 00:15:06.270 benji: username and password, both admin 113 00:15:17.050 --> 00:15:22.689 benji: so some, maybe the patch, maybe the issue is adding 114 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:27.390 benji: options both to image and files. 115 00:15:27.590 --> 00:15:33.079 benji: because if if the options are already there for files, then I assume we would just want to 116 00:15:33.350 --> 00:15:38.460 benji: use the same interface text 117 00:15:38.770 --> 00:15:41.230 benji: for images that we already use for files. 118 00:15:42.230 --> 00:15:48.770 Ralf Koller: I have to quickly add a file oops. Let's take it there. File 119 00:15:50.590 --> 00:15:51.290 oops. 120 00:15:51.530 --> 00:15:57.520 benji: So anyone else have questions at this point. Want to clarify what the issue is about. 121 00:16:02.510 --> 00:16:04.039 Ralf Koller: I'll take the content. 122 00:16:05.300 --> 00:16:06.480 Ralf Koller: add content. 123 00:16:06.810 --> 00:16:12.120 Emma Horrell: I agree. I think it would make sense for it to be the same treatment for 124 00:16:12.170 --> 00:16:16.030 Emma Horrell: documents with images. But I'm just not that familiar with what that is 125 00:16:18.620 --> 00:16:20.030 Ralf Koller: wonderful. 126 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.970 Ralf Koller: No, there is no option. 127 00:16:36.990 --> 00:16:45.690 Ralf Koller: you have basically. No, you have the URL to file option already oops. I can quickly also add 128 00:16:47.060 --> 00:16:49.690 Ralf Koller: the other one as well. But 129 00:16:50.370 --> 00:16:51.700 Ralf Koller: clicking file 130 00:16:54.660 --> 00:16:55.440 Ralf Koller: image. 131 00:17:13.650 --> 00:17:14.380 Ralf Koller: Yep. 132 00:17:14.550 --> 00:17:23.260 Ralf Koller: yeah, that's right. Basically, the checkbox is not available renders absolutely you always 133 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:29.299 Ralf Koller: output the relative one 134 00:17:31.660 --> 00:17:33.219 Ralf Koller: without the patch applied. 135 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:45.339 Ralf Koller: as you can see. 136 00:17:50.550 --> 00:17:51.590 Ralf Koller: no checkbox. 137 00:17:55.000 --> 00:18:07.720 benji: Okay, so so this is a new option for both files and images. Okay, so so it's new interface text. We we can't simply use what's already there. Okay? 138 00:18:12.940 --> 00:18:24.630 benji: And and so the questions at this point are all about the 139 00:18:25.620 --> 00:18:29.830 Ralf Koller: the interface text? Yeah, the main question was the interface text. 140 00:18:33.630 --> 00:18:34.770 benji: Oh. 141 00:18:35.580 --> 00:18:40.240 Ofer Shaal: the moment is it just I don't know it. If it's 142 00:18:41.220 --> 00:18:52.300 Ofer Shaal: like. I'm just thinking people are aware of what is the difference of what would happen if I have a dev side, and I decide to use absolutes, and then I use the live side. 143 00:18:53.050 --> 00:18:55.440 Ofer Shaal: If people are aware of the consequences. 144 00:19:05.410 --> 00:19:14.120 benji: So like we'll get my site. Dev dot com slash sites, default files, whatever 145 00:19:14.580 --> 00:19:20.899 benji: it's on on the dev site, and we'll get my site.com slash lights 146 00:19:20.910 --> 00:19:22.770 benji: if we I'm assuming 147 00:19:22.850 --> 00:19:29.750 Ofer Shaal: today everything is relative. So it's always about. Where is your server right now? What what's hosting? And 148 00:19:29.800 --> 00:19:39.750 Ofer Shaal: and with this one, all of a sudden you'll have new, perhaps unexpected result. If you didn't know what you were doing or what was that you change? 149 00:19:41.600 --> 00:19:43.160 benji: Okay, 150 00:19:43.800 --> 00:19:45.240 benji: Ralph, go ahead. 151 00:19:46.110 --> 00:19:48.399 Ralf Koller: And one additional point 152 00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:51.870 Ralf Koller: going in a similar direction is 153 00:19:53.060 --> 00:20:02.749 Ralf Koller: per default. You have the render as relative, URL, and, as you can see here, you have that statement render as relative, URL. But if you go inside 154 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:07.919 Ralf Koller: there's no option in regards of relative. Yeah. URL, it's basically 155 00:20:08.180 --> 00:20:11.630 Ralf Koller: hidden the in the unsjected state. 156 00:20:11.860 --> 00:20:15.359 Ralf Koller: Its render has relative. Yeah, URL, 157 00:20:15.530 --> 00:20:19.809 Ralf Koller: and maybe an option in the pattern we've used 158 00:20:19.860 --> 00:20:22.279 Ralf Koller: on different issues before is 159 00:20:22.290 --> 00:20:29.499 Ralf Koller: instead of a checkbox. Use 2 radio buttons in that regard and maybe 160 00:20:30.670 --> 00:20:40.430 Ralf Koller: add examples after reach. What it actually means to have, for example, render as absolute URL selected or render as relative URL. 161 00:20:40.820 --> 00:20:42.840 Ralf Koller: To make it more clear to the user. 162 00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:48.710 benji: I was thinking of that, too. Author, go ahead. 163 00:20:49.610 --> 00:20:53.820 Ofer Shaal: II don't know if it's our place to ask this or raise that. But 164 00:20:54.480 --> 00:21:01.960 Ofer Shaal: are there enough benefits to make that change? Because I'm not sure. What are the use cases? When would I 165 00:21:02.090 --> 00:21:09.300 Ofer Shaal: wanna wanna have that option, or how many people out of websites out there needed in core 166 00:21:09.670 --> 00:21:11.199 Ofer Shaal: to have that option. 167 00:21:15.170 --> 00:21:25.040 benji: That's a good point. certainly. A field formatter is something that can be added. 168 00:21:25.890 --> 00:21:29.070 benji: by a contribute module 169 00:21:30.630 --> 00:21:34.520 benji: and 170 00:21:34.850 --> 00:21:44.819 benji: II think that's not our our primary purpose that that we should mostly focus on usability. But but but it's certainly something we can raise. 171 00:21:44.930 --> 00:21:52.179 Ofer Shaal: Yeah, like, in a way, I'm coming here from usability. We're adding complexity of, here's another question, another something to choose. 172 00:21:52.950 --> 00:22:00.219 Ofer Shaal: But is it something that most website need, or both website, like, I don't think I ever needed it. But 173 00:22:00.700 --> 00:22:02.509 Ofer Shaal: I'm I'm looking for? 174 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.940 Ofer Shaal: What are the use? Cases of why it's important to add it. 175 00:22:07.730 --> 00:22:10.299 benji: Yeah, that's that's a good question. 176 00:22:10.540 --> 00:22:16.340 benji: Ii don't think it's adding too much clutter to the interface. Because 177 00:22:16.590 --> 00:22:19.870 benji: you know, and until you selected 178 00:22:20.370 --> 00:22:23.529 benji: from the drop-down list of formatters. 179 00:22:23.540 --> 00:22:34.140 benji: You you don't see all the options available to it. So it's it's really just adding one more item to the list of formats you can use to display. 180 00:22:34.730 --> 00:22:37.120 benji: But 181 00:22:37.770 --> 00:22:42.719 benji: but but it it might be worth looking at at the use cases. Go ahead. Simo. 182 00:22:43.350 --> 00:22:48.400 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. II actually needed this kind of thing 183 00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:53.290 Simo Hellsten: with some with with a site. That kind of exports stuff like a 184 00:22:53.490 --> 00:22:54.730 Simo Hellsten: in Jason 185 00:22:54.820 --> 00:23:04.189 Simo Hellsten: through Json Api. And II think what I see here is that something where it actually helps. So I kind of had to jump through some hue hoops, too. 186 00:23:04.380 --> 00:23:07.180 Simo Hellsten: Get it working before. 187 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:18.670 Simo Hellsten: So yeah. And so I think it could with Jason. It can be sometimes useful. In that case it was because they needed something too 188 00:23:18.710 --> 00:23:29.479 Simo Hellsten: kind of to catch that. Yeah, Urls to rewrite some stuff or something like that. So it wasn't really nice implementation, anyways. 189 00:23:29.820 --> 00:23:36.210 Simo Hellsten: So it's kind of a hack, anyway. But I think with Jason stuff, this can be quite 190 00:23:36.340 --> 00:23:41.700 Simo Hellsten: actually useful. But another thing I was thinking, where does it get that 191 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:52.270 Simo Hellsten: domain? Because I have one site with instructions for teachers and students, and they their site uses domain module. 192 00:23:52.350 --> 00:23:54.400 Simo Hellsten: that kind of so that 193 00:23:54.530 --> 00:23:55.830 Simo Hellsten: part of their stuff 194 00:23:55.870 --> 00:23:57.710 Simo Hellsten: is using one 195 00:23:57.950 --> 00:24:10.110 Simo Hellsten: URL for students. And part of the site is Us. Part of the Content is using another domain for teachers. So in that kind of cases 196 00:24:10.690 --> 00:24:12.600 Simo Hellsten: I don't know. 197 00:24:12.850 --> 00:24:23.540 Simo Hellsten: Maybe it didn't come up where where it gets that. Yeah. URL, so is it from a site settings, or where does it come from? So that that's something that can cause 198 00:24:24.210 --> 00:24:36.019 Simo Hellsten: some complexity with certain contributing modules, especially with domain. But then probably things will work just just as before 199 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.210 Simo Hellsten: when it renders 200 00:24:39.170 --> 00:24:41.829 Simo Hellsten: relative. Yeah, URL, like I did before. 201 00:24:42.930 --> 00:24:49.410 Simo Hellsten: But I think I can see that with, so say, certain cases where you get stuff from. Json. Api. 202 00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:51.400 Simo Hellsten: this can be useful. 203 00:24:53.360 --> 00:24:55.120 benji: Yeah, I think. 204 00:24:55.500 --> 00:25:03.240 benji: that's that's a really good point. That drupal has some aspirations being Api first 205 00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:09.970 benji: and not just a builder of web pages, but also a builder of Apis. 206 00:25:10.210 --> 00:25:14.970 benji: And in that context, I think, this, this feature makes a lot of sense. 207 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:25.849 benji: As for whether it works or how it works, that that's not really usability question. But if you could test that test the green patch 208 00:25:26.190 --> 00:25:33.360 benji: which is like using domain module. And and see. Then II think that would be a really useful comment. 209 00:25:33.790 --> 00:25:39.729 benji: or the issue. But I wouldn't consider it artificability offer. Go ahead. 210 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:46.819 Ofer Shaal: I think that was misunderstanding on my part. But my question is this patch 211 00:25:46.890 --> 00:25:54.400 Ofer Shaal: saving in the database absolute urls, or it's all about the display itself that allow absolute urls. 212 00:25:54.830 --> 00:26:00.799 benji: Oh, I I'm pretty sure it's just a formatter. I don't think it's changing anything in the database. 213 00:26:00.970 --> 00:26:02.660 Ofer Shaal: Okay, yeah. So 214 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:07.370 Ofer Shaal: sparked my some of my previous comments because I thought somehow 215 00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:10.460 Ofer Shaal: gonna cause issues. But if it just for the display. 216 00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:12.759 Ofer Shaal: Much, much better. 217 00:26:12.990 --> 00:26:13.970 benji: Okay. 218 00:26:25.560 --> 00:26:31.139 benji: yeah. The issue summary does say that there are no Api changes, no data model changes. So 219 00:26:31.750 --> 00:26:33.949 benji: Ralph, go ahead 220 00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:40.899 Ralf Koller: and one other detail. I've and I've tested it is the following. 221 00:26:41.370 --> 00:26:44.450 Ralf Koller: as you can see. I have image. 222 00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:47.840 Ralf Koller: a media item and a file. 223 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:49.080 Ralf Koller: but 224 00:26:49.260 --> 00:26:51.879 Ralf Koller: on the output 225 00:26:53.120 --> 00:26:57.799 Ralf Koller: as well as you can see here for media items. 226 00:26:58.130 --> 00:27:09.960 Ralf Koller: you have no option for your ultra file, and I wonder if it would make sense to make it on par, either in a follow-up issue or within that one issue, because 227 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:12.210 Ralf Koller: with media. 228 00:27:12.650 --> 00:27:22.820 Ralf Koller: with a media module in particular for pages just built on 999 or 10 without being migrated. Many 229 00:27:23.270 --> 00:27:30.000 Ralf Koller: pages might mainly use the media module, and for those it would be also 230 00:27:30.690 --> 00:27:32.539 Ralf Koller: useful. I imagine 231 00:27:33.010 --> 00:27:36.249 benji: I disagree there, because I think that 232 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:42.749 benji: in that case you would add a view mode for your media type 233 00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:47.580 benji: that uses the yeah URL formatter. 234 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:53.249 benji: And then you would just have to select that view mode in in the check, in the, in the drop down list you're looking at now. 235 00:27:55.690 --> 00:27:57.829 benji: And yeah, that that's 236 00:27:59.530 --> 00:28:07.479 benji: sort of a a fundamental problem with the media module. which is that there's this. It it introduces an extra level of indirection. 237 00:28:07.490 --> 00:28:12.109 benji: That you have to deal with anytime. You're you're dealing with something like this. 238 00:28:12.150 --> 00:28:16.599 benji: So if you, if you want a particular image size 239 00:28:16.830 --> 00:28:25.550 benji: for your image media, you have to create the view mode on the media and then select it here. And and it will be the same thing with 240 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.459 benji: this. Yeah. URL formatter. 241 00:28:29.270 --> 00:28:30.030 Ralf Koller: Okay. 242 00:28:32.260 --> 00:28:44.659 benji: So for for the specific questions asked. You know what? What is easy to answer. Yes, URL should be capitalized all caps in the interface. 243 00:28:46.540 --> 00:28:54.730 benji: and II guess there, there's an additional question about whether to use 244 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.460 benji: sort of active or passive text. 245 00:28:58.620 --> 00:29:05.600 benji: And then there's the question of whether to use a single check box or 2 radio buttons. 246 00:29:07.340 --> 00:29:09.940 benji: sorry 247 00:29:10.220 --> 00:29:13.460 benji: anything else that that we've been asked to look at. 248 00:29:18.270 --> 00:29:18.930 Ralf Koller: Nope. 249 00:29:27.270 --> 00:29:29.440 benji: So let's 250 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.629 benji: let's think first about the question of which widget to use whether we should have 251 00:29:34.790 --> 00:29:53.460 benji: a radio button, or I mean, I'm sorry whether we should have a single checkbox or 2 radio buttons. will. Will there ever be a third option? Because that would be an argument for using radio buttons? 252 00:29:54.340 --> 00:29:56.169 benji: And I guess 253 00:29:57.140 --> 00:30:03.229 benji: the advantages of 2 radio buttons is that we could in the description text. 254 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:14.789 benji: give examples for each. And then also the text of the radio button would be the summary text. 255 00:30:15.930 --> 00:30:17.539 benji: When when the 256 00:30:17.670 --> 00:30:21.540 benji: when the options are are collapsed? 257 00:30:23.270 --> 00:30:28.489 benji: Any advantages to using single checkbox? 258 00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:44.320 Emma Horrell: Did Ralph, did you say that they were? They use radio buttons on something similar elsewhere, as if that's 259 00:30:45.590 --> 00:30:49.920 Emma Horrell: a pattern elsewhere. I think it makes sense to replicate it here. 260 00:30:52.710 --> 00:30:56.989 Ralf Koller: at least, I vaguely remember that on one of the 261 00:30:57.010 --> 00:31:01.570 Ralf Koller: or 2 of previous issues we've discussed. But we've 262 00:31:02.330 --> 00:31:08.369 Ralf Koller: moved away from tech boxes towards radio buttons, but I can't remember the top of my head. 263 00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:12.230 Ralf Koller: The exact issue numbers right now I would have to search. 264 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:13.220 Emma Horrell: Okay. 265 00:31:13.390 --> 00:31:20.290 Simo Hellsten: we have talked about it in kind of this visibility like a 266 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:27.400 Simo Hellsten: block visibility. That's one place we talked about that. and then there were also 267 00:31:27.820 --> 00:31:32.209 Simo Hellsten: some of this, but I think with block visibility. It's 2 options 268 00:31:32.540 --> 00:31:34.640 Simo Hellsten: that are usually there 269 00:31:34.670 --> 00:31:38.030 Simo Hellsten: some other cases where we discussed about that 270 00:31:38.050 --> 00:31:43.680 Simo Hellsten: don't remember which one. But it was possible that there would be other options as well. 271 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:52.180 benji: Yeah, it's especially a good idea. We. We've come across some issues where there's a single check box. 272 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.880 And then there's some long convoluted 273 00:31:55.210 --> 00:32:00.210 benji: description text. That explains what will happen if you do or don't 274 00:32:00.570 --> 00:32:08.420 benji: select the checkbox, and and that sort of situation is really drastically simplified. If you have 275 00:32:08.800 --> 00:32:14.620 benji: 2 radio buttons with 2 bits of of description text rather than one checkbox. 276 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:22.010 benji: I think it's it's less compelling here, although I do like the advantage 277 00:32:22.180 --> 00:32:30.780 benji: of being able to use the label on the radio button as the as summary text. 278 00:32:33.910 --> 00:32:39.939 Emma Horrell: Yeah, because that makes it plain what absolute is and what relative is. So people can see 279 00:32:40.700 --> 00:32:43.980 Emma Horrell: but cause. I think that would be a good idea. 280 00:32:45.860 --> 00:32:52.780 benji: And and I also like Ralph's suggestion of using the description text to give an example 281 00:32:53.080 --> 00:32:55.370 benji: to make it sort of crystal clear 282 00:32:55.520 --> 00:32:59.260 benji: what what we mean by relative and what we mean by absolute 283 00:33:04.560 --> 00:33:09.590 benji: So do we have consensus on 284 00:33:10.030 --> 00:33:11.750 benji: changing to radio buttons. 285 00:33:13.290 --> 00:33:19.489 benji: I get a thumbs up from Seemo and from Emma and Ralph's. And I agreed. 286 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.529 benji: Okay, I'll call that a consensus. 287 00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:28.820 benji: okay? And then. 288 00:33:30.760 --> 00:33:32.919 benji: Ralph, can you remind us what were the 289 00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:37.040 benji: options being considered for the for the text? 290 00:33:38.360 --> 00:33:41.660 Ralf Koller: It's a boom. Boom! Approach it. 291 00:33:42.450 --> 00:33:50.139 Ralf Koller: At the moment the the text is rendered as absolute. URL, if checked links will be rendered as absolute. Urls. 292 00:33:50.190 --> 00:33:52.300 Ralf Koller: That is the current suggestion. 293 00:33:53.270 --> 00:33:58.709 Ralf Koller: Okay, that that that is a perfect example of useless help. Text, right? 294 00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:05.160 benji: It doesn't add any information that that's not already in in the checkbox label. 295 00:34:07.860 --> 00:34:10.900 and it would be much, much more useful to 296 00:34:11.770 --> 00:34:15.290 benji: give. Give an example of of how it would be rendered. 297 00:34:25.110 --> 00:34:27.669 Ralf Koller: The only worry I would have is 298 00:34:28.449 --> 00:34:35.410 Ralf Koller: you make each radio button label render as absolute. Yeah, URL, and render as 299 00:34:36.130 --> 00:34:44.209 Ralf Koller: as relative. URL. Then you have redundancy with render as render as. 300 00:34:44.500 --> 00:34:50.580 Ralf Koller: and maybe it would make sense to have a title like Render. 301 00:34:52.130 --> 00:34:53.750 Ralf Koller: and then s 302 00:34:53.909 --> 00:34:59.510 Ralf Koller: and then absolute URL and relative URL, and then the description maybe. 303 00:35:01.660 --> 00:35:06.810 Ralf Koller: but that way it gets a bit more wordy. but not sure 304 00:35:14.430 --> 00:35:16.710 benji: and and that also 305 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.050 benji: loses the 306 00:35:20.600 --> 00:35:25.639 benji: using the same text for the 307 00:35:25.870 --> 00:35:28.420 benji: radio button. As for the summary text. 308 00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:39.310 benji: and if we look at the the other examples of of summary text. 309 00:35:39.670 --> 00:35:42.930 benji: the rendered entity for the media 310 00:35:43.220 --> 00:35:48.789 benji: it's rendered as default. So I think it's probably good idea to be consistent with that. 311 00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:27.620 Ralf Koller: So I mean, basically like that. Still. 312 00:36:28.160 --> 00:36:30.820 benji: that. That's what I'm suggesting 313 00:36:59.490 --> 00:37:08.019 Ralf Koller: that way. It's basically you have to scan 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1011 characters, until the 314 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.689 Ralf Koller: interesting part starts before it's redundant. And that's 315 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:18.900 Ralf Koller: problematic detail. 316 00:37:19.990 --> 00:37:25.179 Emma Horrell: Do we have a default way of like this, putting down an example 317 00:37:28.430 --> 00:37:29.850 Emma Horrell: like my site 318 00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:34.790 Emma Horrell: forward slash, or something like that that we've used elsewhere that anyone knows of. 319 00:37:44.900 --> 00:37:49.389 benji: Well, I think we should probably use example.com rather than my site. 320 00:37:49.620 --> 00:37:50.680 Emma Horrell: Yeah. 321 00:37:53.540 --> 00:38:05.989 benji: well, I've I've given my opinion, but you know that's yeah. I would. May, maybe we should take a vote. 322 00:38:06.170 --> 00:38:09.390 benji: Do do we want render as as a 323 00:38:09.730 --> 00:38:19.640 benji: heading for the 2 options, and then that people won't have to scan over 2 words to find the difference between relative and absolute 324 00:38:20.850 --> 00:38:27.110 benji: Or should we include render ads as part of the 325 00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:28.490 benji: Richard 326 00:38:28.610 --> 00:38:35.299 benji: text of the for the radio button. So who who likes Ralph's suggestion of 327 00:38:36.120 --> 00:38:40.790 benji: putting render as only once as the labels for the option field. 328 00:38:44.970 --> 00:38:52.340 benji: but not getting seeing any thumbs up, not even from Ralph. who who likes the idea of of the text as written. 329 00:38:57.270 --> 00:39:01.490 benji: oh, I'm seeing a great lack of opinions. 330 00:39:08.950 --> 00:39:17.800 benji: Ralph, could you go back to the settings page and look at some of the other examples. 331 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:20.579 Ralf Koller: There we go. 332 00:39:24.220 --> 00:39:28.750 benji: so I guess, for the the media. And you opened up the options there. 333 00:39:31.710 --> 00:39:38.669 benji: So here it's it's view, mode is default, and then summary text is render as default. 334 00:39:40.580 --> 00:39:45.030 benji: If you would change that to full content to be renders full content. 335 00:39:48.850 --> 00:39:51.930 benji: and T. 8 Id. Doesn't have any options. 336 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:53.870 Ralf Koller: Oops. I wasn't. 337 00:39:53.950 --> 00:39:55.330 Ralf Koller: What's the name 338 00:40:31.560 --> 00:40:32.570 Ralf Koller: observable? 339 00:40:52.810 --> 00:40:54.400 Ralf Koller: Should I check anything else? 340 00:40:56.290 --> 00:41:07.790 benji: yeah. 341 00:41:08.190 --> 00:41:12.929 benji: Could. Could you read about? The page did so, someone added, the IMG. 342 00:41:13.640 --> 00:41:14.650 benji: Field. 343 00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:21.099 benji: someone added, files on the other page. That was a bit of me 344 00:41:25.690 --> 00:41:26.979 benji: has to look at the 345 00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:46.879 benji: you know. Click, click, update for the Img field and and see what gets 346 00:41:47.550 --> 00:41:51.859 benji: in summary text. Just says original image. It doesn't say rendered as 347 00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:59.310 benji: So so maybe in the summary text, we we shouldn't even have 348 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.519 benji: text render, as maybe maybe that's redundant. 349 00:42:12.430 --> 00:42:18.270 benji: So should we go with your principle that less is more and and make summary text just 350 00:42:18.620 --> 00:42:21.030 benji: absolute. Yeah, URL, or relative. Yeah. URL, 351 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.990 benji: again, I'm not seeing a lot of opinions. I'm getting a thumbs up from Ralph, or or less is more. 352 00:42:37.180 --> 00:42:39.100 Emma Horrell: I think that would make sense. 353 00:42:39.810 --> 00:42:43.419 benji: Okay? And and Simo gives the thumbs up as well. 354 00:42:44.610 --> 00:42:46.690 benji: Okay. 355 00:42:49.080 --> 00:42:51.840 benji: I like following les's more principal. 356 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:54.670 benji: So then. 357 00:43:04.740 --> 00:43:07.330 benji: so then, I guess we have a recommendation don't like. 358 00:43:08.260 --> 00:43:14.739 Ralf Koller: But one question is also the verb render correct. 359 00:43:14.970 --> 00:43:17.909 Ralf Koller: That was also the question on the issue 360 00:43:18.460 --> 00:43:22.199 Ralf Koller: to be maybe output, or something like that 361 00:43:22.270 --> 00:43:23.520 Ralf Koller: be clearer. 362 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.210 Ralf Koller: Cause. People wondered what render 363 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.730 Ralf Koller: thus imply and communicate. 364 00:43:35.930 --> 00:43:38.090 benji: How about a simple word like show? 365 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.360 benji: Show the link as 366 00:43:44.560 --> 00:43:48.890 benji: option. One absolute URL option, 2. Relative URL, 367 00:43:49.930 --> 00:43:50.930 benji: or 368 00:43:56.950 --> 00:44:00.309 Emma Horrell: I think that would make sense. I mean, I see in there it's used 369 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:08.509 Emma Horrell: against media image rendered entity. But I think that means something a bit different to what we're talking about, so 370 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:13.250 Emma Horrell: I don't think I agree that I don't think render is quite the right word. 371 00:44:16.210 --> 00:44:18.800 Emma Horrell: So show is simpler. 372 00:44:19.820 --> 00:44:22.210 Emma Horrell: I think. Yeah, better alternative 373 00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:30.569 Simo Hellsten: usually rendered kind of it kind of feels like it should have templates. You can edit, or something like that. 374 00:44:32.410 --> 00:44:33.319 benji: Please. 375 00:44:50.810 --> 00:44:54.670 benji: Ralph, you ought to bring up that little text edit window. You had 376 00:44:57.730 --> 00:44:58.410 Ralf Koller: art. 377 00:44:59.660 --> 00:45:02.269 benji: Do you wanna open that tech text edit window? 378 00:45:02.420 --> 00:45:06.189 benji: I have it in my, on my other screen. I was in in 379 00:45:06.490 --> 00:45:08.479 benji: yeah, my thoughts. Sorry. 380 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.129 Ralf Koller: Should it be that way 381 00:45:35.930 --> 00:45:37.050 Ralf Koller: or that way? 382 00:45:37.080 --> 00:45:39.259 benji: Yeah, I think we've agreed on the first one. 383 00:45:39.600 --> 00:45:40.410 Ralf Koller: Okay? 384 00:45:41.600 --> 00:45:46.040 benji: And then the summary text will will match the 385 00:45:46.310 --> 00:45:50.920 benji: radio button options with the less is more principled. 386 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.320 Ralf Koller: And in regards of the description. 387 00:45:57.050 --> 00:46:02.959 Ralf Koller: underneath, should examples be added. 388 00:46:05.770 --> 00:46:17.840 benji: Yeah. And I think the only question is whether to have a static example using example, exampleple.com. or whether 389 00:46:20.200 --> 00:46:25.769 benji: whether the description text should show what will actually render for the current site. 390 00:46:47.270 --> 00:46:50.139 Ralf Koller: Yeah, the dynamic variant 391 00:46:50.370 --> 00:46:51.640 Ralf Koller: would be 392 00:46:52.190 --> 00:46:56.080 Ralf Koller: neither from my perspective, if that is possible. Easily. 393 00:46:59.490 --> 00:47:03.769 benji: Yeah, II agree. And and and then also for 394 00:47:04.150 --> 00:47:09.399 benji: for the file path. I think again, less is more 395 00:47:09.450 --> 00:47:11.309 benji: instead of 396 00:47:11.990 --> 00:47:19.049 benji: demo. Slash my testimage dot png, I would just make it files slash, image Png. 397 00:47:43.610 --> 00:47:47.349 Ralf Koller: and would it make sense to add something like outputs? 398 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:52.450 benji: For example. 399 00:47:52.900 --> 00:47:54.260 example. 400 00:48:17.560 --> 00:48:22.399 benji: I was thinking, instead of outputs, for example, I was thinking, just example, Colon. 401 00:48:24.790 --> 00:48:25.470 Ralf Koller: yeah. 402 00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:28.900 Ralf Koller: less small. 403 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:30.660 I'll bet 404 00:48:38.380 --> 00:48:40.859 benji: I would use a colon rather than a comma. 405 00:48:41.060 --> 00:48:43.530 Ralf Koller: Oh, I call her a 406 00:48:48.460 --> 00:48:53.600 benji: do people like that? Further suggestions get a thumbs up from Emma. 407 00:49:01.640 --> 00:49:05.530 benji: Okay? And thumbs up complete solo. And Ralph correct. 408 00:49:07.700 --> 00:49:11.459 benji: So are we done here? Anything else? Say. 409 00:49:13.130 --> 00:49:15.050 Ralf Koller: I think good to go here. 410 00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:18.010 benji: What's that? 411 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:21.649 Ralf Koller: I think we're good. We are good to go here so. 412 00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:26.489 benji: and and you'll have to comment for us. Yep, I will thank you 413 00:49:32.200 --> 00:49:36.920 benji: alright. So are we ready to look at the issue about 414 00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:42.710 benji: that's selecting field types? Or is that something we should 415 00:49:43.740 --> 00:49:54.270 Simo Hellsten: try to look at next week? I'm ready. I don't have a link to share. So it's only local instance. 416 00:49:54.450 --> 00:50:01.459 Simo Hellsten: I don't have my Inbrook account set up so. But I can share my screen. 417 00:50:03.190 --> 00:50:06.549 benji: Okay? And and if you want 418 00:50:07.700 --> 00:50:11.550 benji: to use the the link I pasted, that shows 419 00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:19.690 benji: that's a site without the patch applied. So you can compare with the the current status. 420 00:50:21.160 --> 00:50:23.230 benji: So go ahead and share your screen. 421 00:50:23.650 --> 00:50:26.410 benji: And this is issue. 422 00:50:30.550 --> 00:50:33.910 benji: 3, 3, 8, 9, 2 0, 0. 423 00:50:40.690 --> 00:50:42.559 benji: Yeah. Links with zoom, chat. 424 00:50:43.460 --> 00:50:46.189 Simo Hellsten: yeah. So that field selection. 425 00:50:46.250 --> 00:50:50.180 Simo Hellsten: Brexit conventions and increases quality of black flow. Is there 426 00:50:50.430 --> 00:50:56.260 Simo Hellsten: label? So the issue here was that There is 427 00:50:57.530 --> 00:51:02.429 Simo Hellsten: a thing. Side is played into that same singled form. 428 00:51:02.570 --> 00:51:09.809 Simo Hellsten: These options and and the kind of linked options are quite far away from each other. 429 00:51:10.810 --> 00:51:12.730 Simo Hellsten: So that was the main issue. 430 00:51:13.410 --> 00:51:18.920 Simo Hellsten: Now it's the change that has been made is making, splitting it into 431 00:51:19.640 --> 00:51:22.509 Simo Hellsten: 2 forms. So making it it 2 steps. 432 00:51:24.620 --> 00:51:27.420 Simo Hellsten: I have here a mommy 433 00:51:28.660 --> 00:51:30.279 Simo Hellsten: set up, 4 434 00:51:30.550 --> 00:51:35.979 Simo Hellsten: with spatch applied. and when I click, click, create new field. 435 00:51:36.250 --> 00:51:37.700 Simo Hellsten: I first get this 436 00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:43.339 Simo Hellsten: a form for selecting type of field, and the second 437 00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:51.860 Simo Hellsten: of screen is for label, and so selecting options. 438 00:51:53.200 --> 00:52:00.020 Simo Hellsten: So I did. I don't know if I if it's in the scope. But actually, I noticed that 439 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.109 Simo Hellsten: when creating content. We have add content. 440 00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:09.369 Simo Hellsten: and the form that follows is called add content. But here we have a 441 00:52:09.750 --> 00:52:16.140 Simo Hellsten: a link, create a new field, and the form that opens is add Field. So that's kind of a 442 00:52:16.770 --> 00:52:19.689 Simo Hellsten: that seems a little bit out of place. 443 00:52:20.580 --> 00:52:28.530 benji: Yeah, III would call that out of scope. And I, I've actually been working pretty hard, encouraging 444 00:52:28.620 --> 00:52:30.359 benji: the team working on this 445 00:52:30.450 --> 00:52:34.659 benji: to have properly scoped images. So let's 446 00:52:35.430 --> 00:52:45.670 Simo Hellsten: let's not add that to this issue. Yeah, but it's related to something else I noticed, because When I click here. 447 00:52:46.150 --> 00:52:48.609 Simo Hellsten: add field, I click wool down 448 00:52:48.740 --> 00:52:53.949 Simo Hellsten: the form. It still says, Add field, and it says label. 449 00:52:53.960 --> 00:53:00.540 Simo Hellsten: but it doesn't tell any more that I'm not in the very, very crumbs either, so it's only in that 450 00:53:00.740 --> 00:53:01.470 Simo Hellsten: up 451 00:53:02.490 --> 00:53:05.429 Simo Hellsten: URL. That it says that I'm 452 00:53:06.140 --> 00:53:07.720 Simo Hellsten: adding a ball in. 453 00:53:08.470 --> 00:53:12.399 Simo Hellsten: So it it would be nice to have here in the ad. 454 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:20.800 Simo Hellsten: Add field it mentioning updating that it's you're adding a bull, and because it's not mentioned anywhere else on this form. 455 00:53:21.370 --> 00:53:22.210 Simo Hellsten: So 456 00:53:24.860 --> 00:53:33.839 Simo Hellsten: to Rem took us to show us to show the user that you are adding a bull Boolean field, because the form 457 00:53:34.490 --> 00:53:37.550 Simo Hellsten: is exactly exactly the same as with 458 00:53:38.040 --> 00:53:39.220 Simo Hellsten: email 459 00:53:40.490 --> 00:53:50.600 Simo Hellsten: or with. I can click. So these are so this doesn't have any difference in the fields. So. but if 460 00:53:53.010 --> 00:53:53.940 Simo Hellsten: I'm 461 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:59.419 Simo Hellsten: here editing body field, it says body settings for articles. So it 462 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.340 Simo Hellsten: so there are use cases where it 463 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.059 Simo Hellsten: mentions the type field type and that 464 00:54:04.310 --> 00:54:05.410 Simo Hellsten: content type. 465 00:54:05.630 --> 00:54:09.290 benji: Yeah. And there, there's already an issue open that will 466 00:54:09.550 --> 00:54:16.429 benji: change how that works. So that when you have a simple field like email with no options. 467 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:18.309 benji: It'll skip the 468 00:54:18.890 --> 00:54:24.189 benji: form with a single label and go directly to the field settings form. 469 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.350 Simo Hellsten: Whatever else is that what you were going to say? 470 00:54:28.040 --> 00:54:33.220 Ralf Koller: Yeah, that one and the other detail the steps. 471 00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:42.030 Ralf Koller: As soon as the dialogue model is introduced, there's also another follow-up issue for indicating 472 00:54:42.190 --> 00:54:44.419 Ralf Koller: the steps, little step one. 473 00:54:44.630 --> 00:54:55.010 Ralf Koller: then step 2, and that you always have the correct context instead of the uniform at field like you, pointed out Seymour. So that is also already open. 474 00:54:56.820 --> 00:55:05.640 benji: Yeah. So let's let's stick to the scope of of the current issue. So II think your your first point was that 475 00:55:05.850 --> 00:55:07.820 benji: these 476 00:55:07.970 --> 00:55:16.530 Simo Hellsten: options should not be check boxes. I'm sure I'm sorry should not be radio buttons as they were before, and it looks like they no longer are. So that 477 00:55:16.710 --> 00:55:33.310 Simo Hellsten: that's fixed. And also, when I choose an option here, I can immediately see that what the next step is, and where the change is. So it's not something that it's caught. It's not out out of the view outside the viewport, or anything like that. 478 00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:35.170 Simo Hellsten: So even if I 479 00:55:35.240 --> 00:55:44.180 Simo Hellsten: we'll make make it like this, so I can't see everything. And then I add a number. I can see that there is stuff that is changing. So this is 480 00:55:44.340 --> 00:55:45.520 Simo Hellsten: obvious that 481 00:55:45.630 --> 00:55:47.620 Simo Hellsten: there are other steps here. 482 00:55:48.120 --> 00:55:50.389 Simo Hellsten: and where where the options are. 483 00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:55.920 Simo Hellsten: so there is no content hidden. And it's not too far away. And kind of yeah. So it's kind of 484 00:55:56.620 --> 00:55:59.590 Simo Hellsten: fixes the issues 485 00:56:03.110 --> 00:56:10.180 Simo Hellsten: so that that, choosing plain text and choosing the option, it's not too far apart. 486 00:56:11.560 --> 00:56:18.629 Simo Hellsten: And that's kind of the main main point. And also it's not quite confusing to have these radio button things here. 487 00:56:20.680 --> 00:56:23.230 Simo Hellsten: So yeah, I'd I'd say, that's 488 00:56:23.560 --> 00:56:25.640 Simo Hellsten: fixes the issues. And 489 00:56:25.690 --> 00:56:29.759 Simo Hellsten: if the and the other issues have already fall off issues. 490 00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:35.040 benji: Okay, so 491 00:56:36.190 --> 00:56:38.370 benji: yeah, I really did want to get your 492 00:56:39.070 --> 00:56:43.530 benji: opinion on this because you you open this issue 493 00:56:43.710 --> 00:56:55.910 benji: and and and again on the discussion of scope it it would. This issue was originally closed, and they said, oh, we'll deal with that on this other issue which had unreasonable scope. 494 00:56:56.220 --> 00:57:00.800 benji: and II reopen this issue. When I 495 00:57:00.910 --> 00:57:04.429 benji: try try to avoid having 496 00:57:04.630 --> 00:57:07.050 benji: monolithic issues with with 497 00:57:07.650 --> 00:57:09.179 benji: poorly managed. So 498 00:57:09.330 --> 00:57:13.149 benji: so yeah, II think if if you, if you look at 499 00:57:13.300 --> 00:57:24.590 benji: at my site, which does not yet have this patch flight. You'll see that that some of those changes have already been made. That it's it's already a 2 step form 500 00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:33.209 benji: and and this issue is about changing from radio buttons to. I guess. Links. 501 00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:41.870 benji: and that's that's a 502 00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:44.030 a pretty well managed scope. 503 00:57:46.580 --> 00:57:49.139 benji: Ralph. Good! Go ahead. 504 00:57:49.900 --> 00:57:52.289 Ralf Koller: Seemo's already doing what I was 505 00:57:53.210 --> 00:57:57.490 Ralf Koller: wanted to ask him if he could open the same on your page. 506 00:57:57.710 --> 00:57:58.810 Ralf Koller: and 507 00:57:59.020 --> 00:58:01.820 Ralf Koller: to see it next to each other. That would be helpful. 508 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:03.770 Ralf Koller: Thank you. 509 00:58:04.790 --> 00:58:08.640 benji: So this still has the radio buttons, and it's pretty 510 00:58:09.130 --> 00:58:11.970 benji: unusual radio buttons. 511 00:58:13.020 --> 00:58:16.200 benji: But it does separate it into the 2 steps. 512 00:58:16.390 --> 00:58:27.450 benji: So yeah, here here are the changes on on this page. We see them side by side. and after the patch is applied they'll be vertically aligned. So the radio buttons line up. 513 00:58:31.100 --> 00:58:31.840 Simo Hellsten: Yes. 514 00:58:35.500 --> 00:58:39.929 Simo Hellsten: yeah. So this this is also so good usual. They are in the line. 515 00:58:41.980 --> 00:58:49.789 Simo Hellsten: Scan them. That's not really useful here. But if you look at. but so important there. But when you look at. 516 00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:57.950 Simo Hellsten: say, what was the preference? So this one kind of here, it's just kind of a makes perfect sense to have them 517 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.720 Simo Hellsten: like on top of each other instead of 518 00:59:07.450 --> 00:59:09.089 Simo Hellsten: so this is kind of 519 00:59:09.540 --> 00:59:14.059 Simo Hellsten: for for me. This kind of illustrates the reason why we we want to help them. 520 00:59:15.470 --> 00:59:22.980 benji: And and that great was especially confusing for keyboard navigation. Having them vertically lines. 521 00:59:23.610 --> 00:59:29.819 benji: it takes up more room. There's all of this wasted space. 522 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.220 benji: But, on the other hand, that, the navigation is 523 00:59:34.230 --> 00:59:35.880 benji: is pistols there. 524 00:59:41.250 --> 00:59:44.610 benji: Yeah, de definitely 525 00:59:45.790 --> 00:59:56.800 benji: if we have this page at all, it should say, have more information than add Field. I think, at this point that should be a very easy change to make. 526 00:59:57.050 --> 01:00:00.960 benji: But it's not part of the this issue. 527 01:00:02.640 --> 01:00:07.909 benji: Any other comments on this, or let me just give a thumbs up to it, Brad. 528 01:00:08.970 --> 01:00:12.820 Ralf Koller: Oh, yeah, mine, and it pick in regards of layout. 529 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:17.340 Ralf Koller: If you compare the page before with the current one. 530 01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:24.899 Ralf Koller: Now, if you go go onto the back button, please. 531 01:00:26.970 --> 01:00:33.239 Ralf Koller: Yeah, on. Here you have the titles like plain text format text in 532 01:00:33.340 --> 01:00:38.220 Ralf Koller: bolded compared to the description in in in a less 533 01:00:38.580 --> 01:00:44.460 Ralf Koller: weight, waited font size, while on the next page, when you see the options 534 01:00:45.050 --> 01:00:53.129 Ralf Koller: text plain. and the bullet points underneath have the same font weight. 535 01:00:53.390 --> 01:00:59.650 Ralf Koller: and I wonder if it would make sense to let them stand out slightly more, and 536 01:01:00.640 --> 01:01:07.470 Ralf Koller: ma make them also with a bigger font weight similar to the page before 537 01:01:14.670 --> 01:01:15.380 Ralf Koller: oops 538 01:01:22.990 --> 01:01:24.910 benji: opinions on that should 539 01:01:26.130 --> 01:01:27.349 benji: should the 540 01:01:28.770 --> 01:01:31.430 benji: first line of 541 01:01:32.330 --> 01:01:34.659 benji: radio button. II guess this is 542 01:01:36.990 --> 01:01:40.740 benji: what what exactly is is this structure? 543 01:01:42.700 --> 01:01:43.640 benji: thank you. 544 01:01:49.190 --> 01:01:58.139 benji: So that that list is a separate div from where it says, text plane. 545 01:02:05.380 --> 01:02:07.289 No, you're confusing me. What? 546 01:02:07.980 --> 01:02:09.490 benji: What are you experimenting with? 547 01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:11.950 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. 548 01:02:12.080 --> 01:02:17.600 Simo Hellsten: I'm looking what it would look like if it would be a smaller size compared to the 549 01:02:19.550 --> 01:02:20.570 Simo Hellsten: so here. 550 01:02:22.900 --> 01:02:25.239 Simo Hellsten: So here text plane has now 551 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.500 Simo Hellsten: smaller size for the description 552 01:02:29.390 --> 01:02:38.160 Simo Hellsten: compared to that option. and that Dix plain long, has the same size. so same style for both 553 01:02:40.450 --> 01:02:42.090 Simo Hellsten: description and 554 01:02:43.460 --> 01:02:44.390 Simo Hellsten: option. 555 01:02:47.160 --> 01:02:51.439 Simo Hellsten: So there is a slight size contrast. 556 01:02:54.900 --> 01:03:00.009 benji: and on on the previous page was there. 557 01:03:00.390 --> 01:03:04.870 Simo Hellsten: I think it was size and Halla. 558 01:03:05.230 --> 01:03:07.480 Simo Hellsten: okay, text, some color. 559 01:03:08.930 --> 01:03:10.169 Ralf Koller: or it's just come 560 01:03:10.290 --> 01:03:15.550 Ralf Koller: it for me to look more like a font. Wait as well. That is more. 561 01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:25.829 Simo Hellsten: you know. Here it looks like to me. It looks like it's the same weight, but it's color. So it kind of looks looks like weight 562 01:03:28.640 --> 01:03:29.530 benji: balance. 563 01:03:30.250 --> 01:03:34.410 benji: We we only have a few more minutes left. So 564 01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:39.360 wh. Whatever it is, it should be consistent, I think 565 01:03:39.650 --> 01:03:41.060 benji: is 566 01:03:43.220 --> 01:03:44.640 benji: that if we use 567 01:03:45.870 --> 01:03:55.110 benji: font, size and color, or if it's font weight, whatever it is, on on this page, we we should use the same distinction 568 01:03:55.140 --> 01:03:59.919 benji: on the following page. Does does that seem like a that I did everyone? 569 01:04:00.430 --> 01:04:01.110 Yep. 570 01:04:01.630 --> 01:04:04.779 Simo Hellsten: Yes. the lab from Emma. 571 01:04:12.170 --> 01:04:14.290 benji: Okay. 572 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:16.460 benji: so seema. Would you like to 573 01:04:16.600 --> 01:04:20.249 Simo Hellsten: make that suggestion on the issue. Yeah, I can do that. 574 01:04:22.130 --> 01:04:24.220 benji: And I guess there's 575 01:04:25.350 --> 01:04:26.210 benji: they're all 576 01:04:27.200 --> 01:04:34.560 benji: may. Maybe we should also look at the you know, keyboard navigation? Or or should we 577 01:04:34.680 --> 01:04:39.510 benji: leave that to the accessibility review? So I'm pretty sure this is still marked. 578 01:04:40.860 --> 01:04:44.770 benji: Actually, this isn't marked for an accessibility review. Maybe it should be. 579 01:04:48.730 --> 01:04:53.930 benji: In fact, I'm pretty sure it should get an accessibility review as well. I'm getting a thumbs up from Ralph. 580 01:05:07.270 --> 01:05:09.640 benji: Or was that tabbing through the options. 581 01:05:10.600 --> 01:05:14.699 Simo Hellsten: Yeah, tapping, tapping through these arrows. Not moving 582 01:05:15.110 --> 01:05:16.490 Simo Hellsten: here. It's just 583 01:05:17.500 --> 01:05:19.420 Simo Hellsten: normal navigation. 584 01:05:21.710 --> 01:05:25.089 Simo Hellsten: With arrows like this is a 585 01:05:25.980 --> 01:05:27.360 Simo Hellsten: radio buttons. 586 01:05:29.300 --> 01:05:36.659 Simo Hellsten: And here. It's not confusing, because left and right when it's in one lot like one line. 587 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:42.279 Simo Hellsten: this one column, this radio button sits kind of clear that 588 01:05:42.580 --> 01:05:47.550 Simo Hellsten: left and right and up, up and down do the same, because that's expected 589 01:05:47.790 --> 01:05:51.680 Simo Hellsten: radio buttons. So it doesn't create the same confusion. 590 01:05:53.330 --> 01:05:54.000 Simo Hellsten: So 591 01:05:54.640 --> 01:06:04.740 Simo Hellsten: with a quick check. The keyboard navigation is improved. So it's more, it doesn't have seem to have surprises here. 592 01:06:09.770 --> 01:06:13.270 benji: Okay, so so needs work for 593 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:16.550 benji: change. Yes. 594 01:06:17.240 --> 01:06:22.370 Simo Hellsten: Note that with the new version with the patch applied. The keyboard navigation 595 01:06:22.510 --> 01:06:31.120 Simo Hellsten: is as expected. I think so. Here the difference is that arrow keys don't oop 596 01:06:31.430 --> 01:06:34.030 Simo Hellsten: the selection, but tab and shift tub. 597 01:06:34.180 --> 01:06:35.650 Simo Hellsten: They do so. It's 598 01:06:38.050 --> 01:06:42.670 Simo Hellsten: the question is, if they should work with arrow keys as well. 599 01:06:44.110 --> 01:06:47.820 Simo Hellsten: but at least it doesn't work in unexpected way. 600 01:06:48.680 --> 01:06:55.050 Simo Hellsten: So arrow keys just don't work. They don't move in that kind of confusing directions. 601 01:06:56.540 --> 01:06:58.250 benji: Okay? So 602 01:06:59.520 --> 01:07:03.620 Simo Hellsten: so probably that needs some further attention. 603 01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:11.050 Simo Hellsten: And we did. Yeah. And one of the issues was, if screen reader reads that description text. 604 01:07:11.160 --> 01:07:16.000 Simo Hellsten: and that's something that definitely is accessibility review. 605 01:07:19.050 --> 01:07:27.210 benji: Okay, so we are at the top of the hour. I think those are good points. I think it was premature to market. Rtvc. 606 01:07:27.660 --> 01:07:32.519 benji: but let's let's try to help get this issue 607 01:07:33.780 --> 01:07:38.589 benji: properly done. I think that'll be a big improvement. 608 01:07:42.640 --> 01:07:44.550 benji: and thank you all for coming. 609 01:07:45.170 --> 01:07:49.149 benji: Happy to hear all, and we'll we'll be back next week. 610 01:07:49.310 --> 01:07:53.409 benji: and I think I have to drop because I have a another meeting. I have to go to at work. 611 01:07:55.400 --> 01:08:00.179 Emma Horrell: Thank you. Thank you have a nice video.