WEBVTT 92 00:07:01.660 --> 00:07:08.040 Benji Fisher: Welcome? This is the duple Usability meeting for April twelfth, 2024. I'm Benji Fisher, moderating. 93 00:07:08.410 --> 00:07:13.370 Benji Fisher: and also present our Ralph Kohler sharing his screen, and we'll start off the discussion. 94 00:07:13.880 --> 00:07:16.130 Benji Fisher: and Aaron Mikhail, Gwyn. 95 00:07:16.290 --> 00:07:20.420 Benji Fisher: Simo Helston Scott, and Thomas Howell go ahead, Ralph. 96 00:07:22.400 --> 00:07:23.626 Ralf Koller: Thanks. Benji. 97 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:35.539 Ralf Koller: first issue, we're taking a look at today is at U tab and standard template for block content is issue number 3, 3, 3, 4, 2, 9, 9, 8. 98 00:07:37.170 --> 00:07:39.550 Ralf Koller: that issue basically is 99 00:07:39.620 --> 00:07:42.199 Ralf Koller: adding the option to 100 00:07:42.210 --> 00:07:43.250 Ralf Koller: view. 101 00:07:43.955 --> 00:07:46.229 Ralf Koller: A view tab for blocks. 102 00:07:46.440 --> 00:07:51.329 Ralf Koller: So basically, you have the setting that is added with that patch 103 00:07:54.800 --> 00:08:03.749 Ralf Koller: microcopy wise. They've oriented towards the media settings which has standalone. Media yeah, URL, allow users to access media items at Media. 104 00:08:05.740 --> 00:08:15.520 Ralf Koller: dash id! And here, over here you have now a standalone block. Content. URL allow users to access content blocks at admin content block. Id 105 00:08:15.570 --> 00:08:18.320 Ralf Koller: if you without 106 00:08:19.470 --> 00:08:25.300 Ralf Koller: that, everybody knows. But if you activate it, basically, and if you go to blocks 107 00:08:25.650 --> 00:08:27.495 Ralf Koller: and you go 108 00:08:29.330 --> 00:08:31.089 Ralf Koller: then you get the preview 109 00:08:31.230 --> 00:08:36.510 Ralf Koller: for the block. And you can switch over. So it's basically behaving like notes that way. 110 00:08:39.760 --> 00:08:41.806 Ralf Koller: the reason 111 00:08:43.429 --> 00:08:48.440 Ralf Koller: while Lee Roland added the needs usability review was 112 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.349 Ralf Koller: a concern of mine. 113 00:08:50.380 --> 00:08:52.409 Ralf Koller: because in regards of 114 00:08:52.520 --> 00:09:06.850 Ralf Koller: where the setting is actually placed within configuration at the at the moment, safe ended up with in configuration. They've added a new section called Block, and in within that section 115 00:09:07.190 --> 00:09:13.950 Ralf Koller: you get the page block content settings. And on that settings page you have that single setting and 116 00:09:16.030 --> 00:09:18.090 Ralf Koller: my worry like 117 00:09:19.030 --> 00:09:20.640 Ralf Koller: summarized it at the 118 00:09:21.100 --> 00:09:22.260 Ralf Koller: bottom 119 00:09:22.933 --> 00:09:37.050 Ralf Koller: my main concern about the new group. Here was twofold. For one. The new group block is created with only a single page block content settings in it, and that single page has only a single interface component, a checkbox standalone block content on it. 120 00:09:37.050 --> 00:09:57.959 Ralf Koller: On the other hand, I think we should be mindful about the number of categories, groups available, as well as what types there are. The maturities currently organized by topic general functions. Not many are based on an actual entity type module media for one, but that contains not only pages for the media module, but also anything related to images and files in general. 121 00:09:58.040 --> 00:10:05.984 Ralf Koller: So that was my concern, and I thought it would make sense to at least discuss it upfront in general from my perspective. 122 00:10:06.920 --> 00:10:08.959 Ralf Koller: the functioning itself. Yep. 123 00:10:09.230 --> 00:10:17.000 Benji Fisher: I'd I'd like to interrupt you at this point. I pasted a link in the chat to a standard drupal site with the mommy profile. So 124 00:10:18.190 --> 00:10:21.120 Benji Fisher: can you. Can you open that up and log in. 125 00:10:23.050 --> 00:10:24.520 Ralf Koller: Robust church 126 00:10:28.370 --> 00:10:29.190 Ralf Koller: yep. 127 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:35.210 Benji Fisher: And I just like to remind people, what happens in 128 00:10:36.610 --> 00:10:40.899 Benji Fisher: current drupal what the current behavior is. So just go 129 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.320 Benji Fisher: edit some block, for example. 130 00:10:48.560 --> 00:10:54.040 Benji Fisher: And what what is the URL? By the way, it's admin content block one. 131 00:10:56.650 --> 00:10:59.859 Ralf Koller: admin content block. And yeah, one. 132 00:11:01.770 --> 00:11:05.679 Benji Fisher: And currently admin content. Block one is the edit page. 133 00:11:05.810 --> 00:11:07.780 Benji Fisher: So that's the current behavior. 134 00:11:10.490 --> 00:11:17.590 Benji Fisher: and I think if you change the URL and make it admin content. Block one slash edit. I think you get the same thing. 135 00:11:21.300 --> 00:11:22.450 Ralf Koller: On here. 136 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:23.260 Ralf Koller: Yep. 137 00:11:26.350 --> 00:11:27.880 Ralf Koller: splash! Edit. 138 00:11:33.390 --> 00:11:35.120 Benji Fisher: I guess I'm wrong. 139 00:11:39.448 --> 00:11:44.930 Benji Fisher: But anyway, so currently the standard path, the default path 140 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.980 Benji Fisher: for a block is the edit page for that block. 141 00:11:49.990 --> 00:11:53.640 Benji Fisher: And I just want to remind people that's the current behavior. 142 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:58.619 Benji Fisher: And so this issue is giving us an option to change that behavior 143 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.700 Benji Fisher: and actually show a preview of the block 144 00:12:02.790 --> 00:12:04.290 Benji Fisher: at that. Yeah, URL, 145 00:12:04.370 --> 00:12:09.660 Benji Fisher: and then presumably you edit the block at the URL that I thought would work. 146 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.019 Ralf Koller: What should I do? Edit. Again. 147 00:12:27.970 --> 00:12:29.850 Benji Fisher: I just want to see what the 148 00:12:30.130 --> 00:12:31.980 Benji Fisher: edit pages. 149 00:12:35.190 --> 00:12:36.765 Benji Fisher: when when you have the 150 00:12:38.010 --> 00:12:39.609 Benji Fisher: merge request applied. 151 00:12:43.890 --> 00:12:47.040 Benji Fisher: Okay? So the edit page is block one edit. 152 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:48.070 Benji Fisher: Yep. 153 00:12:48.830 --> 00:12:50.789 Benji Fisher: and the view tab gives you. 154 00:12:55.170 --> 00:12:56.180 Ralf Koller: Just block one. 155 00:13:08.560 --> 00:13:10.899 Ralf Koller: and I've posted the link to 156 00:13:12.180 --> 00:13:14.129 Ralf Koller: my local instance as well. 157 00:13:14.590 --> 00:13:15.640 Benji Fisher: Okay, thanks. 158 00:13:20.910 --> 00:13:24.700 Benji Fisher: so and any other questions about what this issue is doing. Go ahead, Aaron. 159 00:13:25.786 --> 00:13:30.220 Aaron McHale: No, not a question. I was gonna wait till we go into discussion. So. 160 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:32.630 Benji Fisher: Okay. 161 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:36.849 Benji Fisher: so and any questions what it's about. 162 00:13:39.416 --> 00:13:45.439 Benji Fisher: I kind of wonder whether this has to be or should be in drupal core. 163 00:13:45.800 --> 00:13:48.909 Benji Fisher: But maybe that's not a usability 164 00:13:49.030 --> 00:13:50.270 Benji Fisher: question. And 165 00:13:50.640 --> 00:13:55.470 Benji Fisher: since the 2 people active on this issue are maintainers of the block content module 166 00:13:57.230 --> 00:13:59.310 Benji Fisher: that's really their call to make 167 00:14:03.890 --> 00:14:05.030 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I think. 168 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:12.219 Aaron McHale: I mean, media is already set precedent for this being for so I don't know by like. 169 00:14:12.260 --> 00:14:14.959 Aaron McHale: I think it'd be weird if we said in. 170 00:14:15.300 --> 00:14:17.289 Aaron McHale: if it was like this, went into control. 171 00:14:20.590 --> 00:14:21.600 Aaron McHale: and 172 00:14:21.670 --> 00:14:26.289 Aaron McHale: regards to the question, I think actually putting it under content, authoring 173 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.529 Aaron McHale: terms of that configuration page. Might be a nice one for it. 174 00:14:31.020 --> 00:14:38.792 Aaron McHale: So if you go into configuration, there's a a group called Content Authoring, which in there you'll find things like text formats and 175 00:14:39.410 --> 00:14:41.930 Aaron McHale: other things relating to the offering of content. 176 00:14:43.990 --> 00:14:45.080 Aaron McHale: And 177 00:14:45.100 --> 00:14:58.149 Aaron McHale: although I'm mindful that there is future work going on to completely reorganize navigation. So I'm not too concerned to be fair about where it ends up, because there's a good chance. It'll move again. So 178 00:15:00.330 --> 00:15:08.660 Aaron McHale: yeah, but I think content. Altering could be quite good cause. I thought there'd be more things in there, but I think if I think there is more things when you have more modules installed. So 179 00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:09.680 Aaron McHale: mom. 180 00:15:11.900 --> 00:15:15.089 Aaron McHale: add a p to the end of that. URL, says Benji. 181 00:15:15.090 --> 00:15:17.719 Ralf Koller: Yep, I saw that 1 s. 182 00:15:18.390 --> 00:15:19.669 Ralf Koller: I'll pull the cheese. 183 00:15:20.570 --> 00:15:22.991 Aaron McHale: Oh, it's the sorry, your the URL that you. 184 00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:23.800 Ralf Koller: Yeah, I'm. 185 00:15:24.277 --> 00:15:29.529 Aaron McHale: Okay. Alright and the other thing I'm observing is 186 00:15:30.430 --> 00:15:45.760 Aaron McHale: this, I'm a bit conflicted by this. That it opens you. The view is on the fuse in the front end. Theme. Which, on the one hand, it's it's nice if you intend this block to be placed on the front end theme gives you a nice preview. 187 00:15:45.810 --> 00:15:47.709 Aaron McHale: But, on the other hand, 188 00:15:48.400 --> 00:15:52.350 Aaron McHale: we are still technically within the administration area. And 189 00:15:52.910 --> 00:15:54.030 Aaron McHale: I'm just. 190 00:15:54.110 --> 00:15:58.839 Aaron McHale: This is to be fair. It's following the pattern that Media established. But again, I just 191 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:04.860 Aaron McHale: feel it feels all to let you would see the front end theme when you're in the administration area. 192 00:16:05.335 --> 00:16:16.170 Aaron McHale: But I understand that, generally speaking, blocks are meant to show is in the front of them. So I'm I'm just wondering, like I don't have an answer to that. But it it's something that I'm observing. So. 193 00:16:22.100 --> 00:16:24.880 Benji Fisher: I guess one way to address that 194 00:16:24.900 --> 00:16:26.580 Benji Fisher: would be to keep 195 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:29.190 Benji Fisher: admin content, block one 196 00:16:29.460 --> 00:16:31.260 Benji Fisher: as the edit page. 197 00:16:32.010 --> 00:16:33.700 Benji Fisher: and then to 198 00:16:34.982 --> 00:16:36.949 Benji Fisher: have a new path. 199 00:16:37.070 --> 00:16:39.489 Benji Fisher: maybe. Just leave off the admin. 200 00:16:39.690 --> 00:16:42.119 Benji Fisher: slash, content, slash, block, slash one! 201 00:16:42.620 --> 00:16:43.949 Benji Fisher: As the view page. 202 00:16:52.430 --> 00:17:00.400 Aaron McHale: Yeah. And I wonder if that like breaks breadcrumbing. And and that probably doesn't work with local tasks, because they're all very path dependent. I think. 203 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.929 Aaron McHale: Well, they're not half dependent. They're dependent. So maybe that might work eventually. 204 00:17:06.910 --> 00:17:12.180 Aaron McHale: I guess, Rob, could we see how media does this as an example, actually, do you have a a media. 205 00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:12.920 Ralf Koller: Hmm. 206 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:13.710 Aaron McHale: Item. 207 00:17:13.869 --> 00:17:15.299 Ralf Koller: No, not yet. 208 00:17:15.469 --> 00:17:16.719 Ralf Koller: 1 s. 209 00:17:45.529 --> 00:17:47.679 Ralf Koller: I have to. 210 00:17:50.689 --> 00:17:52.929 Ralf Koller: media settings. 211 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:54.829 Ralf Koller: I'll yield out. 212 00:17:54.919 --> 00:17:57.319 Ralf Koller: That has to be. I have to wait at first. 213 00:17:59.529 --> 00:18:02.129 Ralf Koller: yeah, it does just media. And one. 214 00:18:02.610 --> 00:18:03.250 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 215 00:18:04.210 --> 00:18:07.829 Aaron McHale: no, that that did used to be the case for blocks, but we 216 00:18:07.870 --> 00:18:10.669 Aaron McHale: all kinds of blocks, but we did change that, and 217 00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:16.090 Ralf Koller: No, here is admin content. Block one. 218 00:18:16.500 --> 00:18:21.705 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I'm saying that we the path for blocks. It used to just be block slash one, for instance. 219 00:18:21.980 --> 00:18:22.870 Ralf Koller: Okay. 220 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:25.150 Benji Fisher: And point one. I think. 221 00:18:25.630 --> 00:18:31.854 Aaron McHale: Yeah, when we we organized the block stuff we moved it was partly to help with breadcrumbs. 222 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:45.979 Aaron McHale: and that was part of it was again, because, like the blocks never had, like unlike media, they obviously they didn't handle right now. They didn't have what we're seeing. They didn't have like a a pro front end view you could go to. So 223 00:18:46.050 --> 00:18:49.060 Aaron McHale: now we have to reconcile that with 224 00:18:49.350 --> 00:18:51.081 Aaron McHale: what we did in the past. 225 00:19:03.310 --> 00:19:04.129 Aaron McHale: I'll go ahead. 226 00:19:04.130 --> 00:19:04.700 Benji Fisher: Thought. 227 00:19:06.062 --> 00:19:09.140 skaught: I have. Let's a useful suggestion, I guess. First. 228 00:19:09.210 --> 00:19:11.970 skaught: So on. Admin structure block content 229 00:19:14.350 --> 00:19:18.030 skaught: course is the page where we just see the block types that are defined. 230 00:19:18.410 --> 00:19:20.720 skaught: This is a setting that 231 00:19:21.415 --> 00:19:24.869 skaught: sort of effects here. Right? So we have block types. 232 00:19:25.310 --> 00:19:29.799 skaught: Normally, structure also has a settings tab, too. So if this had a Ver 233 00:19:30.940 --> 00:19:31.907 skaught: if this had 234 00:19:32.800 --> 00:19:41.049 skaught: sorry, what's the right phrase I'm looking for, just like tabs at the top where you could get to this setting for the configuration. You could put the configuration here. 235 00:19:42.500 --> 00:19:49.539 skaught: That would be one suggestion, just to say, like, I think the content. Authoring group makes sense, too. But just to point this out as a group. 236 00:19:50.290 --> 00:19:56.570 skaught: because it's also normal that entities would have a setting as well. This would be a place to put that setting. It's not a setting that changes often. 237 00:19:59.950 --> 00:20:05.529 skaught: I just wanted to to talk about media. Media. I understand the point of media having individual 238 00:20:05.690 --> 00:20:09.430 skaught: published items. It's very normal for 239 00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:11.689 skaught: projects to want to have 240 00:20:12.276 --> 00:20:19.019 skaught: put up a media item and like it's a page. But it's not a page just in place to download or review. 241 00:20:19.790 --> 00:20:27.329 skaught: But that's not normal for blocks. Right? Right? So this is a weird use case that we're saying, here, show the block for a content editor? 242 00:20:28.494 --> 00:20:31.729 skaught: I guess. The why, how does that help? 243 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.950 skaught: Yeah. How does that help people? Is the question. I guess, then. 244 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:43.429 skaught: if they can see an individual block, what does that provide 245 00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:44.790 skaught: on a public page? 246 00:20:48.830 --> 00:20:53.429 Aaron McHale: I guess. To answer that I see it. This has been like the ability to 247 00:20:53.550 --> 00:21:02.131 Aaron McHale: preview something before you place on the page, so say, created a quantitative block. And you just wanna see how this looks, cause maybe you've added an image in there, or something. 248 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:09.801 skaught: We get into. I think we get into view. Modes really quickly like this could have a view mode, it would be inserted into something something else would be triggered right? 249 00:21:10.280 --> 00:21:10.830 Aaron McHale: Hmm. 250 00:21:10.830 --> 00:21:12.940 skaught: Case gets really complex. Quick there. 251 00:21:14.670 --> 00:21:19.319 skaught: if it's not actually themed, then you just have a block with a bunch of fields on it that are getting displayed. 252 00:21:20.620 --> 00:21:28.473 Aaron McHale: Yeah, I mean, then that comes back to my point of like, well, what if this block was intended to be placed in the admin theme, and you want to see how it looks in the admin theme. Why are. 253 00:21:28.670 --> 00:21:32.360 skaught: The block is a block is a component block, and there's no other field right. 254 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:44.149 skaught: I know that's just the question. I. The yeah. My suggestion to be useful is to put a settings on this page and put the 255 00:21:44.430 --> 00:21:48.670 skaught: the config for that here and then that's sort of a better place for people to 256 00:21:48.910 --> 00:21:54.850 skaught: at least know that they're setting up a new function for custom blocks to do something a little more unusual. 257 00:21:58.070 --> 00:22:04.429 Benji Fisher: Okay. There are a couple of comments in the chat. Simo asks, how does this work for headless? 258 00:22:07.410 --> 00:22:16.219 Simo Hellsten: So when I looked, look at this settings, I think, yeah, go ahead, list. Obviously, you would just don't have not have that checkbox on. 259 00:22:16.630 --> 00:22:19.400 Simo Hellsten: So it's kind of a configuration issue. 260 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:22.889 Simo Hellsten: because it's just would be useless. 261 00:22:24.330 --> 00:22:27.680 Simo Hellsten: So it doesn't really matter there. But what? Yeah. 262 00:22:27.890 --> 00:22:29.510 Simo Hellsten: my late later 263 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:34.200 Simo Hellsten: idea was long like when I checked how it works. I find it a bit 264 00:22:35.096 --> 00:22:40.930 Simo Hellsten: not so good a a bit frustrating to have that redirect from that 265 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:42.500 Simo Hellsten: block 266 00:22:42.550 --> 00:22:43.740 Simo Hellsten: slash, one 267 00:22:44.330 --> 00:22:45.779 Simo Hellsten: address tool 268 00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:48.140 Simo Hellsten: to have it redirect to edit. 269 00:22:48.290 --> 00:22:49.540 Simo Hellsten: It's kind of a 270 00:22:50.890 --> 00:22:52.600 Simo Hellsten: it doesn't feel right. 271 00:22:53.500 --> 00:22:58.109 Simo Hellsten: I don't know. But if there are, let's call redirections in other places. 272 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:04.850 Simo Hellsten: So if the option is not on in the configuration, so from 273 00:23:05.270 --> 00:23:11.580 Simo Hellsten: entering that block slash one, it redirects to edit. So it's kind of a for me. It was kind of a 274 00:23:11.990 --> 00:23:16.009 Simo Hellsten: quite a long flash, probably because of that site. But it's kind of 275 00:23:21.170 --> 00:23:25.520 Simo Hellsten: you know, if you edit the URL and take away the part edit. 276 00:23:34.850 --> 00:23:37.519 Aaron McHale: Let me see if media does the same thing. 277 00:23:56.770 --> 00:23:58.520 Ralf Koller: There you get a page not found. 278 00:23:58.990 --> 00:24:01.159 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. So that's inconsistency. 279 00:24:16.410 --> 00:24:22.909 Aaron McHale: Yes, on the one hand, you could argue that we should be consistent with the media, and therefore we shouldn't redirect. On the other hand, you could argue that. 280 00:24:24.097 --> 00:24:29.010 Aaron McHale: It's better to redirect. Because if you you know, save this path in the past. 281 00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:38.010 Aaron McHale: and I can see why Media doesn't do it because what you don't want is like an anonymous user being redirected to an access denied page to like an internal admin path. 282 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:43.809 Aaron McHale: Again, because I think media is a slightly different use case than blocks. So maybe it doesn't have to be totally 283 00:24:43.910 --> 00:24:45.220 Aaron McHale: piracy here. 284 00:24:45.910 --> 00:24:55.141 Benji Fisher: Yeah. And and Quinn also brought up consistency. The the other comment that I wanted to read is the content pieces need to be consistent across the site. 285 00:24:55.610 --> 00:24:59.029 Benji Fisher: So blocks media and content should all have a view. Tab. 286 00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:07.639 Benji Fisher: yeah, we're certainly moving in the direction of making that more consistent where 287 00:25:09.615 --> 00:25:10.510 Benji Fisher: originally 288 00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:12.229 Benji Fisher: nodes or content 289 00:25:12.830 --> 00:25:16.460 Benji Fisher: had view and edit tabs. But media and blocks didn't 290 00:25:18.550 --> 00:25:21.080 Benji Fisher: And then we we added the option 291 00:25:21.260 --> 00:25:22.520 Benji Fisher: for media 292 00:25:22.620 --> 00:25:25.169 Benji Fisher: to have the view tab 293 00:25:25.810 --> 00:25:28.699 Benji Fisher: or the standalone media. Yeah, URL, 294 00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:34.500 Benji Fisher: and then this issue is adding the same thing for blocks. So so this is 295 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:40.680 Benji Fisher: certainly moving in the direction of consistency. But, as as Aaron points out alright. 296 00:25:40.900 --> 00:25:45.130 Benji Fisher: I guess with Simo pointed it out. This this redirect 297 00:25:46.820 --> 00:25:48.306 Benji Fisher: thing is 298 00:25:49.930 --> 00:25:52.850 Benji Fisher: is inconsistent, and I wonder whether 299 00:25:53.710 --> 00:25:56.990 Benji Fisher: that should be considered a usability issue. 300 00:25:59.810 --> 00:26:16.200 Quynh: Right? Because as a user I can see that the in the Gui is similar. Edit view. When you click in on the URL. You will go to the view when you click on edit button. We go to edit page. 301 00:26:16.270 --> 00:26:18.040 Quynh: But the content is 302 00:26:18.250 --> 00:26:19.520 Quynh: library is 303 00:26:19.670 --> 00:26:21.170 Quynh: different than the 304 00:26:21.470 --> 00:26:25.640 Quynh: the media library and the blocks like me. So I thought 305 00:26:25.900 --> 00:26:28.910 Quynh: easier for user to see the consistency. 306 00:26:32.080 --> 00:26:34.446 Benji Fisher: So so here's a question. 307 00:26:35.470 --> 00:26:38.070 Benji Fisher: suppose the site is configured 308 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:39.870 Benji Fisher: to 309 00:26:40.830 --> 00:26:43.390 Benji Fisher: provide the page at 310 00:26:44.870 --> 00:26:48.420 Benji Fisher: add in content, block one, or maybe just block one, whatever it is. 311 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:49.779 Benji Fisher: and then 312 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.989 Benji Fisher: and and anonymous users are allowed to visit those pages for. 313 00:26:56.180 --> 00:27:02.050 Benji Fisher: because that's the decision the site builder made. But then the site builder changes their mind and turns it off. 314 00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:09.410 Benji Fisher: what do we want to happen in that case that an anonymous user 315 00:27:09.780 --> 00:27:16.230 Benji Fisher: goes to the link which maybe there's a bookmark, or in an email, or something or browser history. 316 00:27:16.520 --> 00:27:18.350 Benji Fisher: Do we want to get a 317 00:27:19.050 --> 00:27:20.390 Benji Fisher: 404 318 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:21.610 Benji Fisher: that there's 319 00:27:21.650 --> 00:27:23.209 Benji Fisher: there's nothing to see here. 320 00:27:23.300 --> 00:27:27.940 Benji Fisher: or do we want to get redirected to the edit page, and then get a 403. 321 00:27:36.870 --> 00:27:39.389 Aaron McHale: We? We could maybe test it right now, because 322 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:40.490 Aaron McHale: might. 323 00:27:41.520 --> 00:27:44.579 Aaron McHale: I feel there's like blocks were never designed to be viewed 324 00:27:44.730 --> 00:27:52.510 Aaron McHale: independently. They're designed to place within something, so I don't think there's like a separate view permission in that. 325 00:27:52.630 --> 00:27:55.420 Aaron McHale: since maybe there is, I'm just not sure. 326 00:27:58.370 --> 00:28:02.110 Aaron McHale: But Ralph, if you like, if you turn on 327 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:03.849 Aaron McHale: the signalling. Yeah, URL. 328 00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:09.429 Aaron McHale: And then in in a private window, if you just like occupied window and go to the path. 329 00:28:10.393 --> 00:28:13.780 Aaron McHale: and reviewing it. And let's see what happens. 330 00:28:17.004 --> 00:28:19.019 Ralf Koller: For trust, viewing and. 331 00:28:19.020 --> 00:28:19.350 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 332 00:28:19.350 --> 00:28:20.469 Ralf Koller: Second. 333 00:28:24.340 --> 00:28:25.580 Ralf Koller: access denied. 334 00:28:26.590 --> 00:28:32.960 Aaron McHale: I see. So it's using the the edit access. Then, because you're staying on that page, you're not getting redirected. 335 00:28:35.489 --> 00:28:36.359 Ralf Koller: Yeah. 336 00:28:39.290 --> 00:28:45.140 Aaron McHale: I think that apparently I think that's okay, like, we're not exposing anything that the user otherwise wouldn't have been able to 337 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:46.590 Aaron McHale: mind. 338 00:28:51.857 --> 00:28:53.230 Ralf Koller: At 1 point 339 00:28:53.620 --> 00:28:57.890 Ralf Koller: the URL and the path is including the admin. If you 340 00:28:57.970 --> 00:29:00.090 Ralf Koller: would make it consistent 341 00:29:00.370 --> 00:29:02.340 Ralf Koller: with, for example, media. 342 00:29:02.410 --> 00:29:07.080 Ralf Koller: then the view page would be clean ddft, dot site, slash. 343 00:29:07.210 --> 00:29:08.830 Ralf Koller: block, slash one. 344 00:29:14.800 --> 00:29:17.650 Ralf Koller: and then I'm not sure if access denied 345 00:29:19.370 --> 00:29:20.900 Ralf Koller: would be the right pick 346 00:29:21.210 --> 00:29:23.289 Ralf Koller: in the context of admin. Yes. 347 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.089 Ralf Koller: that way. Not sure. 348 00:29:26.820 --> 00:29:28.270 Benji Fisher: Go ahead! Scott! 349 00:29:29.080 --> 00:29:37.199 skaught: Make the theme selection an option, too, so that it defaults to admin theme, and but let them pick the public theme as the as the follow up. 350 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:44.849 skaught: Because that's what we're doing. We're like, we're saying, this, is it? It's an administration view of the block content. 351 00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:46.960 skaught: But perhaps you want to see it in your public theme. 352 00:29:49.910 --> 00:29:53.079 Benji Fisher: Is there any other situation where we 353 00:29:53.710 --> 00:29:56.639 Benji Fisher: let them choose the theme for preview. 354 00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:57.240 skaught: No. 355 00:29:59.800 --> 00:30:00.120 Benji Fisher: Yeah. 356 00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:02.449 Simo Hellsten: Do have that in reverse for 357 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.210 Simo Hellsten: allowing to use front end theme for editing. So it's kind of a 358 00:30:08.360 --> 00:30:10.850 Simo Hellsten: it's easy. It's in reverse. 359 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:12.770 Ralf Koller: Down here. 360 00:30:14.350 --> 00:30:14.760 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 361 00:30:14.760 --> 00:30:15.115 Benji Fisher: Yeah. 362 00:30:15.630 --> 00:30:31.421 Aaron McHale: I was thinking, actually, something along those lines, and I was thinking, if we did, that, it then opens up the possibility for that setting to also move to be on its own kind of page under configuration, for probably under content, authoring 363 00:30:32.130 --> 00:30:33.040 Aaron McHale: for 364 00:30:33.370 --> 00:30:35.150 Aaron McHale: per content. 365 00:30:38.340 --> 00:30:45.041 Aaron McHale: Oh, I don't like, Oh, then we're getting back into Tripolis on some of the work content. And what it means in different scenarios. And 366 00:30:46.030 --> 00:30:46.740 Aaron McHale: I'm gonna 367 00:30:47.570 --> 00:30:48.420 Aaron McHale: yeah. 368 00:30:48.740 --> 00:30:49.620 Benji Fisher: Don't go there. 369 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.670 Benji Fisher: stay away! 370 00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:55.798 Aaron McHale: Yeah, yeah, that node module is a real pickle. 371 00:30:57.290 --> 00:30:59.609 Benji Fisher: Let's let's stay focused on the current scope. 372 00:31:02.540 --> 00:31:04.849 Benji Fisher: here's a suggestion, this. This would be 373 00:31:05.320 --> 00:31:08.390 Benji Fisher: a step away from consistency. 374 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:09.550 Benji Fisher: But 375 00:31:10.550 --> 00:31:16.289 Benji Fisher: should it be a setting that applies to all block types, or 376 00:31:16.770 --> 00:31:18.250 Benji Fisher: should we 377 00:31:18.820 --> 00:31:20.760 Benji Fisher: allow it. 378 00:31:21.210 --> 00:31:23.489 Benji Fisher: or individual block types? 379 00:31:30.290 --> 00:31:36.599 Benji Fisher: And, as I said, it's it's a step away from consistency. But if it is a good idea. 380 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.880 Benji Fisher: then we could make the media 381 00:31:39.796 --> 00:31:44.180 Benji Fisher: consistent with it, and and also provide 382 00:31:46.850 --> 00:31:48.020 Benji Fisher: an option 383 00:31:48.080 --> 00:31:49.410 Benji Fisher: per media type. 384 00:31:51.800 --> 00:31:53.220 Aaron McHale: And then also 385 00:31:53.520 --> 00:32:02.639 Aaron McHale: sorry I'm gonna do it again, but then also move that option out of the theme settings into the content out settings which actually almost makes more sense. 386 00:32:05.100 --> 00:32:10.909 Aaron McHale: But again, I'm saying that an interest of consistency, and I think for media that makes a lot of sense, because. 387 00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:19.249 Aaron McHale: you know, you might want. So I'll say, do you have an example where you want to link people to a document? But you don't want them going directly to an image, you know. 388 00:32:29.570 --> 00:32:41.899 Aaron McHale: but I just to further complicate that and core. We don't actually have separate permissions for viewing bundles for editing or deleting. Yes, but, generally speaking, there's a single 389 00:32:42.130 --> 00:32:44.380 Aaron McHale: for the entity type view permission. 390 00:32:47.310 --> 00:32:49.900 Benji Fisher: Right? So 391 00:32:50.570 --> 00:32:57.559 Benji Fisher: if we had bundle level options or block type level options, then 392 00:32:58.017 --> 00:33:04.049 Benji Fisher: we wouldn't need the provision. There just wouldn't be a yeah URL for certain block types. 393 00:33:04.150 --> 00:33:07.789 Benji Fisher: And there would be a yeah URL for other block types. 394 00:33:09.435 --> 00:33:12.060 Benji Fisher: And and we would have 395 00:33:13.060 --> 00:33:19.219 Benji Fisher: a single permission for for viewing all of those that that do have their standalone. Urls. 396 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:20.050 Benji Fisher: Right? 397 00:33:21.270 --> 00:33:27.689 Benji Fisher: yeah. A another advantage is that this would sidestep the issue of where to put the 398 00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:32.629 Benji Fisher: configuration in the Admin menu because it would just be 399 00:33:34.020 --> 00:33:36.760 Benji Fisher: One of the edit settings for the block type. 400 00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:43.590 Aaron McHale: Yep. 401 00:33:45.380 --> 00:33:48.150 Benji Fisher: Which I think Scott is. Is that 402 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.109 Benji Fisher: what you were suggesting earlier. 403 00:33:51.450 --> 00:33:52.370 skaught: I think so. Yeah. 404 00:33:55.590 --> 00:33:58.970 skaught: it's the structure of the entity, not the configuration of the site. 405 00:34:00.530 --> 00:34:05.909 Aaron McHale: And I with that, Alex, I like your idea, Scott, about being able to see. Well. 406 00:34:06.208 --> 00:34:18.469 Aaron McHale: I want this to show with the Admin team. Because again, I think that's like you might have certain block types which you specifically are designed to go in the admin theme and certain that are designed to go in the front end team. 407 00:34:20.949 --> 00:34:24.120 Aaron McHale: But that's probably a follow up issue. I would imagine. 408 00:34:26.290 --> 00:34:29.444 Benji Fisher: Yeah. And and if we do decide to make it 409 00:34:31.030 --> 00:34:33.520 Benji Fisher: configurable for each block type. 410 00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:36.100 Benji Fisher: then that follow up issue 411 00:34:37.120 --> 00:34:37.900 Benji Fisher: can 412 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.139 Benji Fisher: can give the the theme choice 413 00:34:41.469 --> 00:34:43.770 Benji Fisher: for each block type type as well. 414 00:34:44.167 --> 00:34:47.440 Benji Fisher: So we'd on on the page we're currently looking at. 415 00:34:52.370 --> 00:34:57.790 Benji Fisher: I guess we're not quite looking at this is less good. Could you edit the basic block type again? 416 00:34:59.286 --> 00:35:03.250 Benji Fisher: Yeah. So we we'd add options to this page, saying. 417 00:35:03.390 --> 00:35:05.880 Benji Fisher: create a standalone. Yeah, URL, for the block. 418 00:35:05.990 --> 00:35:08.660 Benji Fisher: And then, if that is enabled. 419 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.130 Benji Fisher: you would have the additional option to use the front end theme or the admin theme. 420 00:35:14.577 --> 00:35:15.650 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Ralph. 421 00:35:17.273 --> 00:35:18.800 Ralf Koller: Just to 422 00:35:18.870 --> 00:35:23.980 Ralf Koller: go back to Scott's idea should, in addition to 423 00:35:24.230 --> 00:35:30.330 Ralf Koller: on that edit page on the block type level on that edit page. The setting also be 424 00:35:31.700 --> 00:35:42.479 Ralf Koller: local. Is it local action on here on top of that, with a setting for basically setting a global for all blog types? And those could be then overridden 425 00:35:42.820 --> 00:35:45.799 Ralf Koller: on an individual level. In case someone wants 426 00:35:46.120 --> 00:35:49.989 Ralf Koller: something different on, for example, the basic block type. 427 00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:53.880 Ralf Koller: Or is that too complex. 428 00:35:56.620 --> 00:35:57.749 skaught: Sounds too granular. 429 00:35:58.430 --> 00:35:58.810 Ralf Koller: Okay. 430 00:35:59.630 --> 00:36:08.250 Aaron McHale: Probably over complicating, because the the basically what we're saying right now is, I think the default position which is right now makes sense in most cases is that you don't. 431 00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:16.419 Aaron McHale: You don't have this view, page, but you might want that in certain cases, so you could enable it for certain what types? 432 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:22.939 Aaron McHale: I just touch on the point about selecting a theme. I think that makes a lot of sense as well, because 433 00:36:23.250 --> 00:36:28.869 Aaron McHale: you know, quite another big use case for custom. Blobs is being able to place them in a theme region. 434 00:36:29.510 --> 00:36:33.260 Aaron McHale: and so you might have a block. You know, you might have multiple themes. 435 00:36:35.989 --> 00:36:47.529 Aaron McHale: Now begin to think the theme selection should actually be on the view page. So you could like dynamically select which theme almost like we have with the block layout you could 436 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.440 Aaron McHale: So, for instance, Ralph, could you go to the. 437 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:53.940 Ralf Koller: Use. 438 00:36:55.052 --> 00:36:57.550 Aaron McHale: Where is it? Appearance? Block layer? I think 439 00:36:58.780 --> 00:36:59.909 Aaron McHale: that where it is. 440 00:36:59.910 --> 00:37:04.510 Ralf Koller: Oh, okay, you mean, I know. Oh, you mean, okay, I know what you mean structure and. 441 00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:14.470 Aaron McHale: Now one day one day it might be under appearance. That was something we wanted so like here. How we have those tasks where you can switch between theme for you. Configuring. 442 00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:15.869 Aaron McHale: I wonder if 443 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:22.740 Aaron McHale: for blocks, for the view path, if in a follow up issue, should be to add 444 00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:40.080 Aaron McHale: a local local task for each theme. So you can then preview. You can then just choose which theme to preview the block, and because you then might be placing this, you know, if you have multiple front end themes, you might want to see how this renders in all of those front end themes. I could see that being a 445 00:37:40.370 --> 00:37:41.980 Aaron McHale: you know, a use case. There. 446 00:37:43.720 --> 00:37:50.760 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I'm I'm not sure that multiple front end themes is a common enough use case that it would be in core 447 00:37:51.166 --> 00:37:55.689 Benji Fisher: and I also see that simo mentions the rapid hole module 448 00:37:56.740 --> 00:37:58.540 Benji Fisher: which also 449 00:37:59.230 --> 00:37:59.984 Benji Fisher: adds 450 00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:08.079 Benji Fisher: its options to the page we were looking at a minute ago. The the edit page for the entity type. 451 00:38:09.194 --> 00:38:11.679 Benji Fisher: I'm sorry for the bundle type. 452 00:38:14.080 --> 00:38:15.270 Benji Fisher: so 453 00:38:15.930 --> 00:38:18.071 Benji Fisher: yeah. And and of course, 454 00:38:19.690 --> 00:38:24.060 Benji Fisher: the only special thing about core modules is that they are in core 455 00:38:24.665 --> 00:38:30.129 Benji Fisher: but in most ways core modules work the same as contribute modules. 456 00:38:30.450 --> 00:38:37.020 Benji Fisher: And yes, there is a mechanism that lets a module added settings to this page 457 00:38:37.810 --> 00:38:39.790 Benji Fisher: and the core block content 458 00:38:40.990 --> 00:38:42.690 Benji Fisher: module, like, I guess 459 00:38:43.170 --> 00:38:48.190 Benji Fisher: block content is is adding this page in the first place, and and other pages are modifying it. 460 00:38:48.490 --> 00:38:49.050 Benji Fisher: But 461 00:38:50.730 --> 00:38:59.920 Benji Fisher: But I I I guess if we decided that the whole thing should be a good trip module rather than core module, it would be able to add settings 462 00:39:00.120 --> 00:39:01.340 Benji Fisher: to this page. 463 00:39:02.075 --> 00:39:04.730 Benji Fisher: Sima, was there anything else you wanted to say about 464 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.300 Benji Fisher: what rabbit hole does, or 465 00:39:07.550 --> 00:39:08.670 Benji Fisher: how it's relevant. 466 00:39:09.516 --> 00:39:13.773 Simo Hellsten: Yeah. So it's if if there is need for configuring 467 00:39:14.560 --> 00:39:16.230 Simo Hellsten: some, some. 468 00:39:16.580 --> 00:39:17.613 Simo Hellsten: but some 469 00:39:18.490 --> 00:39:21.179 Simo Hellsten: content, too, so that it shows 470 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:28.649 Simo Hellsten: different kinds of error message, or if it shows the content or something like that, so it's a more fine-grained. 471 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.857 Simo Hellsten: So I think you can do it also. 472 00:39:31.270 --> 00:39:32.590 Simo Hellsten: per entity. 473 00:39:34.750 --> 00:39:38.369 Simo Hellsten: So yeah, so just for note that there is 474 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.839 Simo Hellsten: module that handles how 475 00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:43.310 Simo Hellsten: other other content handles 476 00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:45.080 Simo Hellsten: the direct. Yeah. URL. 477 00:39:46.480 --> 00:40:01.239 Benji Fisher: Oh, I see that that's your point. So yes. That's true. If if I decide, there are certain block types that have confidential information, and should only be viewable by Admins. Then I have the option of installing the rabbit hole module. 478 00:40:01.690 --> 00:40:05.059 Benji Fisher: and and it gives me that level of control. Good point. 479 00:40:08.060 --> 00:40:10.119 Benji Fisher: Ralph, I think you had your hand up first. 480 00:40:11.108 --> 00:40:12.700 Ralf Koller: No, it's I haven't. 481 00:40:13.420 --> 00:40:14.790 Ralf Koller: Low audit. 482 00:40:15.530 --> 00:40:17.139 Benji Fisher: Before sorry Scott. 483 00:40:18.890 --> 00:40:24.159 skaught: My thought is about having tabs, themes, and tabs for the 484 00:40:24.170 --> 00:40:25.830 skaught: for the selection of the theme. 485 00:40:26.120 --> 00:40:36.480 skaught: View mode displays kind of is touches in the same thing. Item, there's a module called view mode displays right, and it lets you select the view mode that you're previewing 486 00:40:36.850 --> 00:40:37.839 skaught: in a tab. 487 00:40:38.680 --> 00:40:41.790 skaught: which is the next sort of aligned thing like we're if we're talking about 488 00:40:42.306 --> 00:40:47.229 skaught: picking a theme, then you're also set following it up with what view mode you want to see it in. 489 00:40:48.990 --> 00:40:53.440 skaught: So unless it's going to like, you know, unless it actually offers both sets. It's kind of incomplete. 490 00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:01.029 Benji Fisher: Okay? And then I guess 491 00:41:01.180 --> 00:41:03.619 Benji Fisher: my question would be is 492 00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:06.630 Benji Fisher: whether choosing the theme 493 00:41:06.850 --> 00:41:12.210 Benji Fisher: could be done in a trip module, and if so, should it be done in trip module? 494 00:41:19.740 --> 00:41:20.940 Benji Fisher: go ahead, Thomas. 495 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:28.810 Thomas Howell: I'm curious what the motivation was for them to add it to core was that visible in the the issue at all? 496 00:41:29.910 --> 00:41:31.590 Thomas Howell: so rather than just 497 00:41:32.040 --> 00:41:39.850 Thomas Howell: make that that kind of decision by fiat. It shouldn't be in core. Did they have a motivation, or was it accidental? 498 00:41:57.680 --> 00:42:00.229 Benji Fisher: Yeah, the issue summary is kind of sparse. 499 00:42:00.230 --> 00:42:00.840 Ralf Koller: Yep. 500 00:42:01.590 --> 00:42:13.649 Thomas Howell: Given that maybe, rather than decide that they should do that, we should ask the question, What is their motivation for putting it in core rather than can trip. 501 00:42:13.690 --> 00:42:19.609 Thomas Howell: and that getting that conversation started would help us tease out pros and cons. 502 00:42:34.430 --> 00:42:35.776 Benji Fisher: For example. 503 00:42:37.020 --> 00:42:41.150 Benji Fisher: So if there's already contrived module that does something like this, let's have a look 504 00:42:41.540 --> 00:42:43.200 Benji Fisher: page for that module. 505 00:42:44.277 --> 00:42:47.412 Benji Fisher: It has a full release. 506 00:42:48.060 --> 00:42:51.399 Benji Fisher: it is used by 1,100 sites. 507 00:42:57.070 --> 00:43:03.849 Benji Fisher: If if this were something that lots of people wanted, you would think that more people would be using the contrib module. 508 00:43:09.730 --> 00:43:10.680 Thomas Howell: Fair point. 509 00:43:11.060 --> 00:43:12.200 Thomas Howell: though 510 00:43:12.390 --> 00:43:14.860 Thomas Howell: it's I've I've always found that 511 00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:20.269 Thomas Howell: blocks are very powerful, but they kind of confuse 512 00:43:20.390 --> 00:43:26.180 Thomas Howell: the less advanced users, so I'm wondering if it's 513 00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.590 Thomas Howell: not widely used, because people haven't even thought 514 00:43:29.660 --> 00:43:32.599 Thomas Howell: they need. It's one of those unknown needs. 515 00:43:39.540 --> 00:43:41.519 Benji Fisher: One of those things that you 516 00:43:41.750 --> 00:43:45.639 Benji Fisher: want as soon as you know it's available, but might not occur to you. 517 00:43:46.240 --> 00:43:58.070 Thomas Howell: Right. And all that, said if this already exists and can trib, and the purpose of the code that they've written is to put it in core. 518 00:43:58.100 --> 00:44:03.210 Thomas Howell: What we're really saying is, kill this issue. You've already got what you need in essence. 519 00:44:06.940 --> 00:44:07.650 Thomas Howell: right? But. 520 00:44:07.650 --> 00:44:13.620 Benji Fisher: But, as I said at the start, I'm I'm not sure whether that's a usability question, so I don't know whether it's. 521 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:15.799 Benji Fisher: you know, part part of 522 00:44:16.030 --> 00:44:18.321 Benji Fisher: our input to decide that 523 00:44:19.250 --> 00:44:20.410 Benji Fisher: and maybe we 524 00:44:20.430 --> 00:44:21.779 Benji Fisher: I I guess we can 525 00:44:22.040 --> 00:44:25.710 Benji Fisher: bring it up as a question, but not make a recommendation on it. 526 00:44:26.660 --> 00:44:27.980 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Scott. 527 00:44:28.570 --> 00:44:36.499 skaught: Is this the confusion? Because people have are building layouts, building pages with layouts and have blocks. But then, say, I want to work on this block. 528 00:44:39.750 --> 00:44:43.209 skaught: So I want to edit this block, and it's going to be used in a page. Layout. 529 00:44:44.180 --> 00:44:45.540 skaught: Is that where the 530 00:44:45.710 --> 00:44:47.739 skaught: you know that that separation is 531 00:44:48.140 --> 00:44:48.940 skaught: maybe 532 00:44:50.050 --> 00:44:59.029 skaught: like somebody's like a site using layouts versus just a simpler drupal site where they may just have some custom blocks. They're placing into some sidebar regions. 533 00:45:03.640 --> 00:45:04.230 skaught: I've. 534 00:45:04.526 --> 00:45:05.120 Thomas Howell: Use case. 535 00:45:06.030 --> 00:45:09.359 Benji Fisher: Yeah, it. It's a good question. I guess you can't really 536 00:45:10.290 --> 00:45:14.300 Benji Fisher: see it until you save the 537 00:45:14.390 --> 00:45:15.760 Benji Fisher: layout right. 538 00:45:18.140 --> 00:45:19.149 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Thomas! 539 00:45:21.220 --> 00:45:23.710 Thomas Howell: In my experience there's some. 540 00:45:23.730 --> 00:45:38.100 Thomas Howell: There are sites that kind of push the boundaries of what you do with blocks, and the ones that really kind of make a bazillion blocks that are content like they. They use it almost like nodes. 541 00:45:38.514 --> 00:45:49.450 Thomas Howell: I. And again, I don't know if this is a valid reason, but I've seen people do really crazy things and getting more parity with under other bundle types. 542 00:45:51.060 --> 00:45:57.140 Thomas Howell: could see some people wanting it, but I haven't seen it in wide use, like I haven't seen. 543 00:45:58.153 --> 00:45:58.796 Thomas Howell: But 544 00:45:59.890 --> 00:46:08.690 Thomas Howell: like block usage is very, very, very diverse, like I've seen about as many different ways of people using blocks as you can kind of. Think of using blocks. 545 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.769 skaught: Yes. Yeah. Context, module as well, right? 546 00:46:16.660 --> 00:46:17.250 Thomas Howell: Yeah. 547 00:46:19.930 --> 00:46:21.550 Benji Fisher: That's still a thing. I, 548 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:22.540 Benji Fisher: yeah. 549 00:46:22.540 --> 00:46:26.179 skaught: So it's been nice. I have projects with contacts in it. So 550 00:46:26.310 --> 00:46:27.470 skaught: right now, okay. 551 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.069 Benji Fisher: Alright. So we're 2 thirds of the way through the meeting. 552 00:46:42.380 --> 00:46:49.180 Benji Fisher: what are we going to recommend? We're going to raise as a question, but not make recommendation. 553 00:46:49.709 --> 00:46:54.500 Benji Fisher: Raises a question whether this should be in core at all, or whether it should be 554 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:58.620 Benji Fisher: whether we should continue to have it and contrib. 555 00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:04.979 Benji Fisher: second is it worth 556 00:47:05.330 --> 00:47:09.370 Benji Fisher: bringing up the suggestion that we make it configurable 557 00:47:09.380 --> 00:47:11.439 Benji Fisher: or block type rather than 558 00:47:11.750 --> 00:47:13.680 Benji Fisher: one setting for all block types. 559 00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:20.919 Benji Fisher: I get a thumbs up from Scott 560 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.340 Benji Fisher: and from Semo. 561 00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:32.050 Benji Fisher: Okay, so let's bring that up. And from Thomas, let's bring that. Should we actually make a recommendation. Then 562 00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:39.579 Benji Fisher: I'm I'm not seeing any thumbs up except 563 00:47:39.670 --> 00:47:41.840 Benji Fisher: I am seeing one from Simo. 564 00:47:46.950 --> 00:47:50.839 Benji Fisher: Alright, let's let's just bring it up as a suggestion. Not not a recommendation. 565 00:47:54.081 --> 00:47:55.390 Ralf Koller: Cheshire, for a follow up. 566 00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:58.170 Benji Fisher: Okay. 567 00:47:59.450 --> 00:48:02.190 Ralf Koller: Or or within the issue. 568 00:48:03.730 --> 00:48:07.440 Benji Fisher: Although, as a follow up, do we really want to 569 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:08.935 Benji Fisher: introduce 570 00:48:10.770 --> 00:48:17.550 Benji Fisher: the option on its own brand? New settings, page, and then have a follow up that issue that removes that settings page and moves it. 571 00:48:17.550 --> 00:48:18.460 Ralf Koller: True, true. 572 00:48:18.780 --> 00:48:20.710 Benji Fisher: To type settings. 573 00:48:23.950 --> 00:48:25.280 Benji Fisher: then 574 00:48:27.512 --> 00:48:29.690 Benji Fisher: do we wanna look at the 575 00:48:29.740 --> 00:48:31.850 Benji Fisher: the copy, the microcopy 576 00:48:32.330 --> 00:48:33.789 Benji Fisher: on the settings. Page 577 00:49:00.130 --> 00:49:04.700 Benji Fisher: Standalone, media, URL standalone block content. URL, 578 00:49:09.630 --> 00:49:13.400 Benji Fisher: should we be using title case rather than 579 00:49:16.250 --> 00:49:20.290 Benji Fisher: or I guess we are using title case, should we? Should we be using sentence case. 580 00:49:20.350 --> 00:49:24.079 Benji Fisher: In other words, should we be making block content all lowercase. 581 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:28.830 Benji Fisher: that that would be more consistent with the 582 00:49:29.260 --> 00:49:31.950 Benji Fisher: label on the media page. 583 00:49:33.630 --> 00:49:39.999 Benji Fisher: and I guess, for the sake of the recording, I'll I'll read out on the media settings page. We currently have 584 00:49:40.230 --> 00:49:46.850 Benji Fisher: the checkbox labeled Standalone. Meta. Yeah, URL and Standalone is capitalized. Yeah, URL, is all caps 585 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.439 Benji Fisher: currently on the box settings 586 00:49:49.670 --> 00:49:52.590 Benji Fisher: block content settings. Introduced by this issue. 587 00:49:52.970 --> 00:49:57.529 Benji Fisher: We have the checkbox labeled Standalone Lock, Content, URL 588 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.610 Benji Fisher: and block and content are capitalized as a standard. 589 00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:05.209 Benji Fisher: First letter. And and yeah, URL is all caps. 590 00:50:06.147 --> 00:50:12.340 Benji Fisher: So I I think for consistency. We we should make block content all over. Case 591 00:50:13.570 --> 00:50:14.840 Benji Fisher: agree. Disagree 592 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.180 Benji Fisher: thumbs up from Quinn and from Thomas 593 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.860 Benji Fisher: thumbs up from Semo and Scott. Okay? 594 00:50:29.140 --> 00:50:30.540 Benji Fisher: And then 595 00:50:30.610 --> 00:50:38.430 Benji Fisher: the other text on the existing media page is allow users to access media items at slash media, slash id. 596 00:50:39.430 --> 00:50:47.650 Benji Fisher: and the new text is allow users to access content blocks at slash, admin slash, content, slash block, slash! Id 597 00:50:48.676 --> 00:50:49.730 Benji Fisher: so that's 598 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:51.080 Benji Fisher: consistent. 599 00:50:58.850 --> 00:51:01.910 Benji Fisher: And then what about the 600 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:08.009 Benji Fisher: URL? Oh, I'm sorry I have. Some comments in the chat that that I've missed. 601 00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:14.150 Benji Fisher: Simo says, for the description 602 00:51:14.470 --> 00:51:16.699 Benji Fisher: to access content blocks 603 00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:20.750 Benji Fisher: edit is a type of access probably should say view. 604 00:51:20.970 --> 00:51:24.159 Benji Fisher: and that it changes default. Yeah. URL, behavior. 605 00:51:26.552 --> 00:51:28.839 Benji Fisher: So for consistency. 606 00:51:31.734 --> 00:51:34.309 Benji Fisher: We would stick with access. 607 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.489 Benji Fisher: I can see an argument for saying allow users to view content blocks. 608 00:51:41.450 --> 00:51:44.760 Benji Fisher: and then maybe have a follow-up issue to 609 00:51:45.110 --> 00:51:47.940 Benji Fisher: make the media settings consistent with that. 610 00:51:53.040 --> 00:51:54.240 Benji Fisher: go ahead, Scott. 611 00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:56.280 skaught: The what it's 612 00:51:56.570 --> 00:52:02.959 skaught: saying is wrong. It doesn't allow users to access block content. It allows authorized users to. 613 00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:07.750 skaught: We. We don't release block content to unauthorized users at all. Right. 614 00:52:11.942 --> 00:52:14.200 Benji Fisher: I'm not sure. 615 00:52:16.230 --> 00:52:19.639 skaught: Right? An unauthorized user goes to this page. They just get a 404. 616 00:52:21.560 --> 00:52:23.680 Ralf Koller: Normally get it gets excess denied. 617 00:52:25.820 --> 00:52:31.610 skaught: But you. But likewise you want to admin, slash, content, or admin, slash, content, slash black one. That would be also denied right. 618 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:33.169 Ralf Koller: Yeah, 1, s. 619 00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:37.170 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I get access denied? 620 00:52:37.170 --> 00:52:38.190 skaught: Yeah. So the messages and. 621 00:52:38.190 --> 00:52:38.749 Benji Fisher: Showed up in it. 622 00:52:38.750 --> 00:52:44.249 skaught: We're showing. It says that every user can just get that. It's and an Admin user can still have this access. 623 00:52:56.730 --> 00:52:57.720 Benji Fisher: And I'm 624 00:52:58.150 --> 00:52:59.540 Benji Fisher: checking on 625 00:53:01.140 --> 00:53:03.082 Benji Fisher: my Umami site. 626 00:53:10.020 --> 00:53:16.939 Simo Hellsten: And also, wasn't it so that if the checkbox is not checked for media, then that URL gives 627 00:53:17.410 --> 00:53:19.730 Simo Hellsten: a patron phoned 628 00:53:22.900 --> 00:53:24.859 Simo Hellsten: and not edit media 629 00:53:24.930 --> 00:53:27.670 Simo Hellsten: media edit page. So that's also 630 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:40.360 Simo Hellsten: something that it's it's a paid page are not found or access to the media. It's not a edit page or bu page. So there's like a with the look content. 631 00:53:43.070 --> 00:53:51.190 Benji Fisher: So I guess that's related to the question I was going to ask next, which is what URL, should we use? 632 00:53:52.307 --> 00:53:55.789 Benji Fisher: So the media module if I 633 00:53:56.560 --> 00:54:00.560 Benji Fisher: enable the stand alone, URL. Anonymous users can see it 634 00:54:00.830 --> 00:54:03.719 Benji Fisher: by default. There might be a permission there. 635 00:54:06.890 --> 00:54:11.850 Benji Fisher: But that's sort of to be expected because the URL was slash. Media slash one. 636 00:54:12.240 --> 00:54:19.410 Benji Fisher: whereas for blocks the URL is slash, admin, slash, content, slash, block, slash one go ahead, Thomas. 637 00:54:21.024 --> 00:54:34.365 Thomas Howell: You mostly hit on what I was going to say. But I feel that there's a fundamental question of how we want to allow Site builders to 638 00:54:34.940 --> 00:54:44.699 Thomas Howell: manage the access to these things. So by putting the view block behind, admin we've made the decision that 639 00:54:44.780 --> 00:54:52.340 Thomas Howell: it's not. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but there's a tacit decision being made that 640 00:54:53.200 --> 00:55:17.489 Thomas Howell: users will never go directly to a block to view it. Whereas media, it makes sense. So I I keep on thinking. I've got a regular website. I have a view. I list 10 pieces of media, and I want people to be able to go to a URL that is, slash meet like if they clicked on look at this image, it goes to a page that slash media slash! My dot? Jpeg. 641 00:55:17.883 --> 00:55:32.830 Thomas Howell: so I'm wondering, do we want to allow that same pattern with blocks, or are we? Have we decided that blocks should. There's no use case where we wanna let site builders decide to do that with blocks. 642 00:55:38.850 --> 00:55:42.379 Thomas Howell: because content typically isn't behind. Admin. 643 00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:47.719 Benji Fisher: Right. So 644 00:55:49.220 --> 00:55:53.144 Benji Fisher: permissions and the URL path 645 00:55:54.110 --> 00:55:56.300 Benji Fisher: these are tied together. 646 00:55:57.240 --> 00:55:58.000 Benji Fisher: and 647 00:55:59.310 --> 00:56:00.810 Benji Fisher: maybe 648 00:56:02.323 --> 00:56:07.180 Benji Fisher: maybe we should consider use cases and who should have access, and that should determine 649 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.389 Benji Fisher: the URL structure. Go ahead, Aaron. 650 00:56:10.730 --> 00:56:21.609 Aaron McHale: Thanks. I think we have to be clear what the like. The the use. Like, yeah, the use case for blocks is, and it's it's not to go directly to a block and view it like the the use. 651 00:56:21.630 --> 00:56:25.070 Aaron McHale: The use case of law is to place it within something else. 652 00:56:25.671 --> 00:56:28.199 Aaron McHale: And it's important that we we 653 00:56:28.380 --> 00:56:35.689 Aaron McHale: it's important that we don't deviate from that because it makes it it then becomes confusing for 654 00:56:35.700 --> 00:56:40.509 Aaron McHale: people who are learning triple, for instance, like, well, what's the difference to block enough on media? 655 00:56:40.670 --> 00:56:46.289 Aaron McHale: And if we basically turn them into the same thing, it's like, Well, why do we have them, because at that point it's like, Well, what's 656 00:56:46.380 --> 00:57:11.030 Aaron McHale: you know? You could create a block called image, put an image field on it. And then what's the difference between that? And then piece of media right? Other than the media library? Yeah. My point is that like we, we don't want to stray too far away from the purpose of blocks here. And so I don't like, I'm I don't think there's a problem with like we're keeping it within the admin area and keeping the permissions because it effectively. This, the purpose here suppose, is to say. 657 00:57:11.070 --> 00:57:23.840 Aaron McHale: this is so. You can preview your block before you place it. And it's not like explicit. Maybe it's actually called preview, like, actually, rather, because we're not. When same view implies that you could grant 658 00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:39.739 Aaron McHale: what you can't do here like a view tab on a node or media is actually has. A implies that other people can go views through our administrators like you can, you know, you grant people the ability to be published content or publish media. You can't do that with blocks. You can't grant people. 659 00:57:39.990 --> 00:57:52.179 Aaron McHale: because what's going on here is, they're using the Ed, it's using the edit permission. So you either have the ability to edit blocks and by having that ability, you also the ability to like preview. So maybe actually to avoid that confusion. 660 00:57:52.240 --> 00:57:56.329 Aaron McHale: this tab should be called like preview, or something rather than view. 661 00:57:57.490 --> 00:58:02.117 Benji Fisher: Okay, you got a thumbs up from Thomas while you were talking, and Ralph also commented that 662 00:58:02.420 --> 00:58:08.019 Benji Fisher: there's the same question, what's the difference between a block with 4 fields and a node with 4 fields. 663 00:58:08.688 --> 00:58:11.760 Benji Fisher: So yes. We. We should not 664 00:58:11.910 --> 00:58:14.350 Benji Fisher: blindly make things consistent. 665 00:58:14.923 --> 00:58:19.250 Benji Fisher: There are different use cases for blocks, media nodes, and taxonomy. 666 00:58:19.610 --> 00:58:24.248 Benji Fisher: and there should be some differences between them. And and maybe this access 667 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.609 Benji Fisher: is is one of them. 668 00:58:27.572 --> 00:58:28.660 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Scott. 669 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:32.383 skaught: I blame vocabulary and feasibility 670 00:58:33.290 --> 00:58:38.279 skaught: terms like. So this is what happened with terms right terms. It became fieldable. People started putting 671 00:58:38.580 --> 00:58:43.619 skaught: fields on terms terms become their own thing. They want a view mode for them. They want lists of them. 672 00:58:44.396 --> 00:58:53.520 skaught: Blocks. Media is the same. Next piece of that is, it becomes something they want to publish on. It's fieldable. And then there's a but the ability to throw fields on it right 673 00:58:53.810 --> 00:59:00.269 skaught: now. Block is going through that same thing where it's not just as one thing, but it's a fieldable thing, and we want the content everywhere. 674 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.440 skaught: Just a rant. Thank you. 675 00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:05.560 Benji Fisher: Okay. 676 00:59:09.700 --> 00:59:15.149 Benji Fisher: yeah. But but maybe you're you're saying pretty much the same thing that I'm saying that 677 00:59:15.970 --> 00:59:26.449 Benji Fisher: you know, certain things should be consistent. But there should also be fundamental differences between the various entity types. Otherwise why have more than one entity type? 678 00:59:27.592 --> 00:59:28.920 Benji Fisher: Go ahead, Thomas. 679 00:59:29.740 --> 00:59:36.219 Thomas Howell: To kind of follow up on that. I think that what we want to do, though, is be explicit when we do that 680 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:48.199 Thomas Howell: sort of like Aaron's suggestion of having the word preview, and I don't know if that's the right way to be explicit. I'm not for against it right now I haven't. I don't have an opinion, but 681 00:59:48.650 --> 00:59:55.029 Thomas Howell: What's hard is when you look at something, and these look almost identical, and there's no 682 00:59:55.080 --> 01:00:12.920 Thomas Howell: queue for the person enabling these things. To understand what? Why, that is like. We have made a determination why we think these 2 things are different, and why it belongs in admin but I feel like there could be some. We could do something more. 683 01:00:13.375 --> 01:00:27.830 Thomas Howell: So just being deliberate when we make those choices to have deliberate inconsistencies. Let's use language or something that makes them visibly different beyond just the fact that they've got 2 different urls. 684 01:00:31.050 --> 01:00:37.550 Benji Fisher: Right. And and so by by bringing this up by discussing it on the issue, I think we'll be taking a step in in that direction. 685 01:00:38.200 --> 01:00:38.865 Benji Fisher: Yes, 686 01:00:39.570 --> 01:00:42.880 Benji Fisher: we only have 5 min left, so 687 01:00:43.540 --> 01:00:45.272 Benji Fisher: let's wrap up. 688 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:47.600 Benji Fisher: go ahead, Aaron. 689 01:00:48.400 --> 01:01:02.200 Aaron McHale: So I was gonna say one final thing. Now that I'm now one straight thought, and I'll keep it really brief. Why do we need an option to turn this on. If we're basically saying that this is the ability for an Admin to preview the block, let's just have a preview tab. Let's make it in the Admin theme. 690 01:01:02.200 --> 01:01:25.390 Aaron McHale: Cause I've worked on a 777 site or organization where you it's not blocks. But you can basically preview the thing you just created in in the admin theme. And it's great because you can. You can kind of get a sense of the thing I've put in here? Does it? Does it work? Surrender? Rightly right? That's the use case for this. So let's not try and mold it to be consistent with something when it's clearly not the intention like, let's stick with what the intention is, I think, is my. 691 01:01:25.450 --> 01:01:27.279 Aaron McHale: that's my summary. Basically. 692 01:01:28.790 --> 01:01:31.790 Benji Fisher: That's thinking outside the box a bit. Ralph. 693 01:01:33.274 --> 01:01:53.960 Ralf Koller: I agree with Erin removing the option to either show or hide it. To remove that. But, on the other hand, I still like the option to define on a per block type level that, for example, block type A is previewed in. For example, the default theme, while block type B is previewed in the admin theme. 694 01:01:55.430 --> 01:01:58.250 Benji Fisher: Okay, but that could certainly be a follow up issue. 695 01:01:59.464 --> 01:02:03.109 Benji Fisher: Get a thumbs up from Aaron on that Scott. 696 01:02:03.980 --> 01:02:09.539 skaught: The one thing that we're missing for blocks that's different from media and vocabulary is publish 697 01:02:11.240 --> 01:02:15.119 skaught: right? So all of those things can be viewed and published, and have an unpublished mode. 698 01:02:15.580 --> 01:02:17.179 skaught: This does not have a publish mark. 699 01:02:17.330 --> 01:02:18.649 skaught: Blocks are not publishable. 700 01:02:19.190 --> 01:02:20.330 Benji Fisher: Really 701 01:02:23.210 --> 01:02:24.390 Benji Fisher: hum. 702 01:02:27.890 --> 01:02:34.319 Benji Fisher: Yeah, I thought that sort of the Workspaces initiative was pushing to make everything. 703 01:02:34.580 --> 01:02:37.305 Benji Fisher: I guess everything is revisionable. 704 01:02:37.850 --> 01:02:39.620 skaught: Publish. Yeah. Publish should be part of that 705 01:02:40.630 --> 01:02:41.670 skaught: as well. K. 706 01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:42.540 Benji Fisher: And you're getting us. 707 01:02:42.540 --> 01:02:51.649 skaught: So it's like the same thing in layouts. People wanna like put a block in a layout, but not have it shown yet, so they might wanna schedule a publishing time for it. That's exactly the next line 708 01:02:51.720 --> 01:02:52.940 skaught: of what people actually. 709 01:02:54.030 --> 01:02:56.403 Benji Fisher: So you're getting a thumbs up from Ralph? 710 01:02:56.900 --> 01:03:03.900 Benji Fisher: I I I think that's probably out of scope for the current issue. But we we could certainly mention it as 711 01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:06.840 Benji Fisher: something for a follow up issue. 712 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:09.959 Benji Fisher: so to wrap up. We have just 2 min left. 713 01:03:10.576 --> 01:03:13.429 Benji Fisher: I I think the the main use case. 714 01:03:14.955 --> 01:03:15.770 Benji Fisher: Is 715 01:03:16.050 --> 01:03:23.420 Benji Fisher: yeah. As as Aaron said, that blocks are are not standalone, I think the main use case is with layout builder is as we brought up earlier. 716 01:03:24.210 --> 01:03:30.380 Benji Fisher: And currently, there's there's no way to preview a block before saving the layout. 717 01:03:31.340 --> 01:03:33.990 Benji Fisher: And that being the case. 718 01:03:35.180 --> 01:03:39.920 Benji Fisher: yeah, these are viewable only by admin users, and that means 719 01:03:40.010 --> 01:03:41.210 Benji Fisher: that the 720 01:03:42.060 --> 01:03:46.499 Benji Fisher: yeah URL is appropriate. It should stay under slash. Admin 721 01:03:46.850 --> 01:03:49.560 Benji Fisher: that means the permissions are appropriate. 722 01:03:50.180 --> 01:03:54.020 Benji Fisher: And then, once the permit, we've decided the permissions are appropriate. 723 01:03:54.674 --> 01:04:01.599 Benji Fisher: Aaron's suggestion, I think, makes sense that we don't need the checkbox. We can just add the URL 724 01:04:03.750 --> 01:04:05.789 Benji Fisher: and it will only be 725 01:04:05.870 --> 01:04:07.840 Benji Fisher: visible to 726 01:04:08.180 --> 01:04:10.310 Benji Fisher: users with permission to edit blocks. 727 01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.210 Benji Fisher: which which I think is is the current 728 01:04:14.270 --> 01:04:16.120 Benji Fisher: permission controlling it. 729 01:04:17.936 --> 01:04:19.480 Benji Fisher: Does that cover everything? 730 01:04:20.340 --> 01:04:21.050 Benji Fisher: Well, that that. 731 01:04:21.050 --> 01:04:21.470 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 732 01:04:21.470 --> 01:04:23.119 Benji Fisher: Changing, changing the case. 733 01:04:24.020 --> 01:04:42.349 Aaron McHale: Just just to add, I mean, I I think that's correct. Because and I could say that because when we went to as an anonymous user. We didn't get the redirect we got like the access to died on that group which indicates as part of the same permission that you have for editing is my logic. There. 734 01:04:43.970 --> 01:04:49.530 Benji Fisher: Right. And and and it we, we'd simplify it. We wouldn't need that redirect which I assume is an extra 735 01:04:49.830 --> 01:04:52.950 Benji Fisher: bit of work in in the current merge request. Go ahead, Ralph. 736 01:04:53.652 --> 01:04:58.240 Ralf Koller: And the case isn't necessary at all. If that setting is removed. 737 01:05:00.526 --> 01:05:01.053 Benji Fisher: True. 738 01:05:02.500 --> 01:05:08.239 Ralf Koller: So basically and and the question why that should be in core or not is also 739 01:05:08.570 --> 01:05:12.700 Ralf Koller: isn't a question anymore based on your explanation right now. 740 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:14.700 Ralf Koller: So basically, the only 741 01:05:15.120 --> 01:05:16.830 Ralf Koller: recommendation is 742 01:05:17.100 --> 01:05:19.149 Ralf Koller: to remove the setting. 743 01:05:19.290 --> 01:05:20.890 Ralf Koller: make it on 744 01:05:21.560 --> 01:05:27.569 Ralf Koller: consistently across all block types and maybe change the title of the local 745 01:05:27.670 --> 01:05:30.470 Ralf Koller: action to preview instead of you. 746 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.180 Ralf Koller: Yes, and and add 2 potential follow-up issues, one. 747 01:05:35.700 --> 01:05:37.812 Ralf Koller: the ability to set 748 01:05:38.710 --> 01:05:41.999 Ralf Koller: the theme. It is previewed on for a block type and 749 01:05:42.060 --> 01:05:47.909 Ralf Koller: adding the publishing option like Scott, suggested, as also as a suggestion for a follow-up issue. 750 01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:49.130 Ralf Koller: But aside, so. 751 01:05:49.130 --> 01:05:50.310 Benji Fisher: To me, well. 752 01:05:51.380 --> 01:05:52.909 Benji Fisher: Aaron, be quick. 753 01:05:52.910 --> 01:06:12.140 Aaron McHale: Yeah, just real quick. One thing. I think that right now, until we add the option when previewing it should be in the admin thing, because it's it's I. I don't know about anybody else. It feels very strange that you're in the admin area, but then, you see the front end. So until we like actively add the option to say, You do. You want to produce in the front end? I think it should be in the admin thing. But 754 01:06:13.090 --> 01:06:14.190 Aaron McHale: let's see. 755 01:06:14.510 --> 01:06:15.210 Aaron McHale: lizard. 756 01:06:15.210 --> 01:06:17.200 Benji Fisher: A thumbs up from Scott 757 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:20.979 Benji Fisher: and a thumbs up from Thomas. Okay. 758 01:06:22.470 --> 01:06:24.360 Benji Fisher: and, Ralph, you'll add the comment. 759 01:06:24.730 --> 01:06:26.889 Ralf Koller: Oh, yeah, okay, I can. 760 01:06:28.070 --> 01:06:33.299 Benji Fisher: Okay, thank you all. We'll do it again next week. Hope. Hope you can make it. Then, too. 761 01:06:34.080 --> 01:06:34.969 skaught: Happy. Friday. 762 01:06:35.690 --> 01:06:36.800 Thomas Howell: Hey, Freddie? Thanks, everyone. 763 01:06:37.090 --> 01:06:39.720 Aaron McHale: Have a good weekend bye, bye.