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Aaron McHale: Oh, okay, so I was just gonna I was gonna reply to slack. Since we're here I I saw you sent me some questions. I've been kind of

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Aaron McHale: I've not been really available last couple of months, so I don't know if you still needed a response to those, or if

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Ralf Koller: Whoa!

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Ralf Koller: If we.

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Aaron McHale: And done.

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Ralf Koller: Converse,

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Aaron McHale: Yeah. It was from a couple of weeks ago. I think you'd

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Aaron McHale: send me some messages, but I'm only now just getting around to catching up with them.

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Ralf Koller: One second one second.

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Ralf Koller: in regards of the

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Ralf Koller: in the context of Project Browser.

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Ralf Koller: That is probably, and the only thing I would be curious is still

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Ralf Koller: When you've tested which

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Ralf Koller: in those user tests

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Ralf Koller: and hello to Benji and Scott.

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Aaron McHale: Can you hear me now? Sorry.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah. Can you repeat your question because my audio is not me working properly for a moment? There.

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Ralf Koller: in the meeting. We've discussed the

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Ralf Koller: filter category sidebar in the context of Project Browser. You've mentioned that at the University of Edinburgh. You've had a user test.

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Ralf Koller: And

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Ralf Koller: the outcome was basically that the preferable choice would be having the

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Aaron McHale: Oh, wasn't specific to project Browser. That was like.

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Aaron McHale: so we did user testing around like a searching filter experience. And

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Aaron McHale: the the results of the well there was design and testing, but that that

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Aaron McHale: the testing didn't show an issue with like the filters all being on the right.

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Ralf Koller: Yeah. But now, but my question was, with the filters on the right.

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Ralf Koller: in those tests.

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Ralf Koller: what the main menu was? Was it a horizontal one or a vertical one.

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Aaron McHale: It wouldn't

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Aaron McHale: I mean the the the I'm trying to think what I don't think we. I don't know if we presented a menu above that, because

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Aaron McHale: this was on an experience which it doesn't.

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Aaron McHale: But it's not like

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Aaron McHale: It's like a searching experience. That's that doesn't have a lot of other site.

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Aaron McHale: a lot of other like things on site, kind of like a dedicated experience. So it wasn't

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Aaron McHale: there wasn't really a

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Aaron McHale: trying to remember. Yeah, I don't think there was like another navigation on the page

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Aaron McHale: But that's I think just because that's like, you know, there are. There was like our our, you know, site header and things like that.

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Ralf Koller: Hey?

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Ralf Koller: A cousin saw it was as the screenshot I've

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Ralf Koller: with the vertical navigation

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Ralf Koller: on the left, now in Claro or in core in general.

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Ralf Koller: filter bar on the left as well as on the on the left. It's stacked, basically, and on, if you have it on the right. You have the the results crammed within both side bars. And either way it looks

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, I wouldn't like.

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Aaron McHale: it's probably not like a hundred percent compatible. But

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Aaron McHale: but yeah, there's just I think there's just a sentiment with that. There's like

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Aaron McHale: a lot of information on one page. There, there's like a lot to parse.

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Ralf Koller: Yep.

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Aaron McHale: I think it's not specifically the categories as such. I think it's just the fact. There's a lot of information there.

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Aaron McHale: Yep.

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Ralf Koller: And just one last word in regards of that, at the moment that issue is

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Ralf Koller: going with moving the sidebar into that multi-select field.

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Ralf Koller: And that way it's a bit more

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Ralf Koller: that was the outcome so far. But at the moment the patch isn't applying, so I can't show.

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Aaron McHale: Okay, like moving the

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Aaron McHale: you mean moving the filters to

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Aaron McHale: the bar on the top is in the category.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah? Cause I think the problem is like.

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Aaron McHale: it's like, How do you like having the category separated from other filters? Feels like doesn't feel right.

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Ralf Koller: Yeah. And that way it would.

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benji: Testing, 1, 2, 3.

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Ralf Koller: Now it's working.

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benji: You can hear me.

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Ralf Koller: Yep.

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benji: Someone want to share their screen.

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Ralf Koller: one second I can.

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Ralf Koller: and oops

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benji: Yep. So I see on your screen the issue for the Usability meeting.

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benji: and I guess we're talking about the project Browser again.

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benji: where to put the categories in the other search filters.

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Ralf Koller: Yeah.

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Ralf Koller: Aaron brought up my questions. I've sent him

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Ralf Koller: a while ago, and we were just going through those and the last thing I've just sent in

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Ralf Koller: that is the current state, and I've just said that it's at the moment

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Ralf Koller: My question I've asked was cause. Aaron

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Ralf Koller: moving it to the right hand side, based on the and also me moving the other filters within that.

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Ralf Koller: and have everything there, and

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Ralf Koller: right hand side in the sidebar. What kind of menu they had? Was it in basically an horizontal one or a vertical one? Because

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Ralf Koller: So you have basically, 1st the search, then the filter, and then the results. And that way

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benji: And this would probably

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benji: be more similar to what you'd see on on the narrow screen, on the mobile device, for example.

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Ralf Koller: what is this username? Set a graph also edit

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Ralf Koller: So that is the way it looks, and if you

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benji: Well, that's a problem.

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benji: Maybe that's navigation

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benji: auto problem.

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Ralf Koller: it's not done yet. But

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Ralf Koller: I phrased, is the following, within the meeting

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benji: If I remember correctly.

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benji: We're we're we're going over things we we've already talked about. So so the 1st decision is whether to have the categories

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benji: and I think we agreed that the left and the right. We're taking up too much space, that the the list of categories just isn't

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benji: But then the next step is that it's confusing to use the same

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benji: rather than just blacklist.

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Ralf Koller: Yep, I just. I just wanted to point out that at the moment it's just a select list here for those 3. But that is gonna change.

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Ralf Koller: having something like that, like a toggle button

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benji: So Scott pointed out that a a toggle is is really just some

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benji: purification of what's underlying a checkbox.

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benji: You know a toggle is just a fancy chat box. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

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Scott Carpenter: Just as a radio group. Right? It's the same thing that with with Javascript super

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Scott Carpenter: right? Like, if you were replacing element with a chat toggle. It's Javascript on top of the fact that it's either a checkbox or a radio group. Still.

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Scott Carpenter: Score actually have a toggle element or a switch. I don't think that's an element. Drupal has already right.

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Scott Carpenter: We have a drop button.

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Scott Carpenter: but we don't actually have like. Core doesn't have a switch out of the box, does it?

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Ralf Koller: And I've suggested Sasha Agee if he could move that also over to call to to Claro and call in general.

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Scott Carpenter: Yeah, it hasn't. It hasn't elevated that way yet.

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Scott Carpenter: Yeah. So this was the best sort of example of toggling that I could find, and decided to implement around that

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Ralf Koller: I just wanted to.

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Scott Carpenter: So that's just visual. The whole thing is just a button, and inside the button is an Svg. That the change graphic changes when the state is active.

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Scott Carpenter: So you've you've misunderstood what you were looking at.

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benji: Development status active. All

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benji: There's no trouble coming up with the micro copy as there would be for a check box.

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Aaron McHale: I think the problem because the problem with radio buttons is that. Then you've got like.

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Aaron McHale: then you have also, yeah, exactly that. But then, like, okay, then do we make categories, radio buttons, which, or chat boxes to be consistent. And then, which is basically what they are, the vendor in the sidebar, because we'll be far too many to do it above. So now we're back to the case where we

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benji: here I have

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benji: Here's the radio buttons.

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Ralf Koller: Sure.

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Aaron McHale: hey, Ralph, could you go back to the other screen that had the dropdown. So I'm just curious like how how it works with categories where, like, you can select more than one.

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Ralf Koller: Sauce.

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Aaron McHale: The can you slide more than one thing with the data.

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Aaron McHale: Listen it!

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Scott Carpenter: And that's kind of the most positive aspect to to keep the focus on like the other items have to go back to radios. That's fine should be fine.

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Ralf Koller: My preference is more of

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Ralf Koller: scola, which looks like a button that is actually pressed. And and

449
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Ralf Koller: the way

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Ralf Koller: oops, where is it? Yeah, there, and

451
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Ralf Koller: the label within those buttons, or the multi-select is updated reflecting the selection.

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Ralf Koller: That is the thing

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Ralf Koller: I'm leaning towards.

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benji: Assuming towards toggle buttons for the other 3.

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benji: Yep.

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Ralf Koller: But not not

457
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Ralf Koller: It's a visual thing, not

458
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Ralf Koller: that kind of toggle buttons, with a

459
00:47:47.080 --> 00:47:52.199
Ralf Koller: that visual toggle, left or right, and the label next to it instead.

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Ralf Koller: an actual

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Ralf Koller: button looking like that without that carrot.

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Ralf Koller: And just

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Ralf Koller: a large button with a label.

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Ralf Koller: try to reload.

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Ralf Koller: Yeah, something like

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Ralf Koller: over here.

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benji: Okay. And and Aaron, do you have a preference.

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Aaron McHale: Not a strong feeling.

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Aaron McHale: What I would say is like

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Aaron McHale: thing with all of these. The more interactive these things get.

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Aaron McHale: the more consideration with take, you know, the more potential accessibility pitfalls there are.

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Aaron McHale: So I like, I I worry that if we keep

473
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Aaron McHale: like, if if this gets too advanced like it's

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Aaron McHale: it's never gonna get. It's never gonna be done

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Aaron McHale: because it's gonna get stuck on like implanting some really fancy like way of like turning on and off components or turning on and off filters. And so part of me feels like, you know, part me just lean towards like something simple like you, said Benji. Like

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Aaron McHale: keeping it simple with like radio buttons.

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Aaron McHale: because I think also, like we've got, we might be too far along the developer Project Browser, to do something like really significant change, like what you just showed there off. Because we've already got these filters. You can turn on a filter, it appears on the bottom, and then you can remove it.

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Aaron McHale: which again, I don't know, like how radio buttons it's. It's weird how

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Aaron McHale: you have like, I don't know. But

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Aaron McHale: hmm.

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Aaron McHale: when you so when you change the the.

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Aaron McHale: I guess with the radio buttons, when you change the the state.

483
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Aaron McHale: I guess it updates those.

484
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Aaron McHale: yeah, those like filters.

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Aaron McHale: which is, I suppose that's fine.

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Aaron McHale: I'm just mindful that I don't wanna like. I don't want us to like inadvertently, like policy to keep.

487
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Aaron McHale: you know, result in delays to

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Aaron McHale: project Browser, which it probably I don't think it will, but it's just that I'm so mindful that, like.

489
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Aaron McHale: you know.

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Aaron McHale: these things can take time and

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Aaron McHale: think. We should be careful about that as well.

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benji: So, Ralph. I I also noticed there's the list in the grid

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benji: options that we've talked about before.

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benji: Is that the sort of thing you would like to have underneath maintenance, status.

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Ralf Koller: Just one sec. You mean.

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benji: Just imagine the the list and grid buttons

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benji: lifted up and put underneath maintenance status, and then, instead of listed grid, one would be all, and one would be maintained.

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benji: Is, is that the sort of

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benji: toggle, or or whatever that that you have in mind.

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Ralf Koller: No!

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Ralf Koller: I.

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benji: Okay, you want a single.

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Ralf Koller: A single button with 2 different States.

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benji: Okay, got it?

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benji: And, Scott, what's what's your preference.

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Scott Carpenter: Radios? Is the default? Answer.

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benji: Okay. So the same thing that I I suggest.

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Scott Carpenter: I would say, open the follow up in the future. For to add for the ux enhancement, to make them fancier, and use javascript or more complex. Ux.

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Scott Carpenter: but yeah, keep the scope. Keep focus on the scope.

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benji: Yes, I agree.

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Scott Carpenter: Cause I'd like to see this.

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Scott Carpenter: Yeah, that's yeah.

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Scott Carpenter: I'd like to see this getting

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Scott Carpenter: sooner, too, even even if that's just like a step back there.

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Scott Carpenter: It's a huge enhancement on it

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Scott Carpenter: overall.

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Scott Carpenter: Don't lose sight of the wider goal. Right?

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Scott Carpenter: Can't make everything work. We can definitely make things better.

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benji: And enterprise side of scope.

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benji: This issue was about

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benji: making the categories take up less room.

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benji: and I think.

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benji: looking at the screen, you see right now someone gave into the temptation. Oh, forget to put the categories in one place.

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benji: Let's make it nice and consistent, and have

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benji: select lists for all of them, because that looks so nice and consistent.

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benji: But that's a mistake.

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benji: because

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benji: it's not

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benji: consistent underneath it.

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benji: You're you're you're making it look more consistent than it is.

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Scott Carpenter: Should be the design of the column.

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Scott Carpenter: Sorry it should be the design of the columns that makes that consistency not the content of the columns.

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benji: Okay?

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benji: but, Ralph, can you

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benji: agree that for this issue

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benji: to control scope, we should keep the radio buttons that we currently have?

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benji: move the categories into the select list.

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benji: and as a follow-up issue.

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benji: redesign those radio buttons to some toggle, or possibly some other

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benji: interface.

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Ralf Koller: it would be okay. But I'm

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Ralf Koller: I have worries. Let's put it that way. But yeah.

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00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:26.617
Ralf Koller: technically, it would be okay. Ish. But yeah.

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00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:32.559
Ralf Koller: the only problem I see is with with, Yeah.

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benji: Yeah, go ahead. Well, that's what I want to hear.

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00:54:36.220 --> 00:54:38.580
benji: What? What's your concern with having radio buttons.

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Ralf Koller: No, with radio buttons. That

548
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.197
Ralf Koller: problem is also surfaced. That is,

549
00:54:48.050 --> 00:54:52.450
Ralf Koller: that you also already have here with that. So with that select list. That is also

550
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Ralf Koller: worry for me that show all option which you don't have over for the filter by Category

551
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Ralf Koller: Section.

552
00:55:05.260 --> 00:55:07.929
Ralf Koller: Here it's implied here. It's explicit.

553
00:55:09.100 --> 00:55:10.900
Ralf Koller: But the behavior is the same.

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benji: And and and that difference is closer related to why I think we should have

555
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benji: different widgets for the 2

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Ralf Koller: Why?

557
00:55:32.420 --> 00:55:33.170
Ralf Koller: But if

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00:55:33.470 --> 00:55:37.370
Ralf Koller: because technically, you would also need a show all for the filter, then.

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Scott Carpenter: Facets has that as an option, right facets allow. You

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Scott Carpenter: have a setup. Select all option on top. So that's where you're talking about that similarity.

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Scott Carpenter: Right? So this dropdown had had the ability just to have the additional Javascript to say, Select all or deselect all likewise right.

562
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Scott Carpenter: remove all filters.

563
00:55:59.710 --> 00:56:00.279
Ralf Koller: Hmm.

564
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Scott Carpenter: Can't apply all without being able to remove all.

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Ralf Koller: No, but I mean the fact that if

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Ralf Koller: no category is selected here.

567
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Ralf Koller: everything is shown

568
00:56:16.630 --> 00:56:19.720
Ralf Koller: that detail is missing. Yeah, for that component.

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Ralf Koller: That is the problem. I see.

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benji: I don't see that as affecting the decision between radios and toggle and select list for the other 3.

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benji: And and I, yeah, I agree with Scott that there there should be

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benji: additional options to select all and clear all. And I also agree, and we've talked about it in the past, that that drupal has this pattern.

573
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benji: That selecting nothing, is the same as selecting all

574
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benji: which is kind of the logical.

575
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:14.909
benji: But unfortunately it's an established pattern.

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Ralf Koller: And one other detail. From that issue

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00:57:56.890 --> 00:58:00.000
Ralf Koller: in command number

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Ralf Koller: 27,

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Ralf Koller: Chris suggests. I think we should get rid of chips for non-categories, and only show chips for categories.

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Ralf Koller: The state of the select

581
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Ralf Koller: shows you what you've chosen there, and I think that's adequate for categories. I love it. I would love it if it would show selected, if it

582
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Ralf Koller: wasn't all of them. So it should show 3 selected. If you pick them up.

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Scott Carpenter: Kind of saying the same thing like, if well, okay.

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Scott Carpenter: If the other 3 categories were radios, they wouldn't need a pill if the filter category had its own clear, all filters. We wouldn't need pills. People could just select what they wanted to apply. And then they'd have a global filt button on the actual filter dropdown that let them

585
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Scott Carpenter: reset or clear

586
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Scott Carpenter: recommended filters doesn't mean anything

587
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Scott Carpenter: because it's just the default state.

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Ralf Koller: Yeah, that's a default state. No, but he's saying

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00:59:00.430 --> 00:59:02.530
Ralf Koller: At the moment. Oops

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00:59:03.890 --> 00:59:06.379
Ralf Koller: you have active, maintains.

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00:59:06.990 --> 00:59:10.589
Ralf Koller: and covered, shown those 3 shouldn't be shown.

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00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.439
Ralf Koller: or should simply just dropped.

593
00:59:14.850 --> 00:59:15.970
Ralf Koller: and

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00:59:16.310 --> 00:59:25.419
Ralf Koller: only the chips for, or the pills for the filter by category selected should be shown, and instead of select categories.

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00:59:25.580 --> 00:59:26.440
Ralf Koller: If

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Ralf Koller: at the moment it's 11 or 20 categories are selected, then it should show 20 categories selected, or

597
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.560
Ralf Koller: if it's less, 7, calico is selected, that is the gist.

598
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:41.860
Ralf Koller: But my

599
00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:49.160
Ralf Koller: worries also. Okay, it's an unusual case. But still those pills take up a lot of

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Ralf Koller: space. But yeah, also something for follow up.

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00:59:56.490 --> 00:59:58.040
Ralf Koller: It's quite dominant.

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00:59:58.120 --> 00:59:59.470
Ralf Koller: And again

603
00:59:59.780 --> 01:00:01.120
Ralf Koller: sort of cluttering.

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benji: I agree that there should not be a pill for development status.

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benji: The only advantage to having a pill is that it gives you a 1-click alternative. And if you had radio buttons instead of a select list, then you would already have that.

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benji: And I I think it's confusing to have

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benji: all these pills, for

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benji: most of which are for categories, and a few of which are for the others.

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Aaron McHale: Yeah, if we look at what views does, which is

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Aaron McHale: also

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Aaron McHale: coincidentally part of drupal when you have exposed filters.

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01:00:50.540 --> 01:00:51.880
Aaron McHale: the

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Aaron McHale: you select your filters.

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01:00:56.260 --> 01:01:03.079
Aaron McHale: You apply the filters, and it doesn't add these pills, you just the only differences you would get like a reset button

615
01:01:05.070 --> 01:01:11.589
Aaron McHale: and in theory it's relying on the user to know that they've selected these filters.

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Aaron McHale: Cause the thing is like.

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Aaron McHale: see, that's the thing like as a user.

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Aaron McHale: We don't need like you've already. When you when you go to filter you're making. And, Cha, you're making a decision to apply some filters.

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Aaron McHale: So you know what filters you've applied.

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Aaron McHale: You know you've interacted with it.

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Aaron McHale: I was, gonna say, you could go to like the content view or something cause that has.

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01:01:33.290 --> 01:01:34.560
Aaron McHale: if you aren't sure.

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Aaron McHale: just like go to admin content.

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Ralf Koller: One second. I have a patch that

625
01:01:42.240 --> 01:01:44.549
Ralf Koller: prevents me to click the edit button.

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Ralf Koller: I don't.

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01:01:48.180 --> 01:01:52.312
Aaron McHale: I'm just saying that the like, the admin going to admin content which.

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01:01:52.630 --> 01:01:53.500
Scott Carpenter: Actual content, page.

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Aaron McHale: Zoom, yeah? As well.

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benji: It's not the end of view, page. But look at the at the page, admin content which is generated by a few.

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benji: Yeah.

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Ralf Koller: Also unresponsive.

633
01:02:18.290 --> 01:02:20.500
Ralf Koller: lately unresponsive.

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Ralf Koller: One sec.

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benji: Maybe try my side.

636
01:02:33.910 --> 01:02:37.009
benji: And we are running towards the end of the hour.

637
01:02:37.355 --> 01:02:39.209
benji: So we have to wrap this up.

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Aaron McHale: So like. If you select, you know, if you filter by, say, content type

639
01:02:48.740 --> 01:02:53.060
Aaron McHale: in the dropdown, the user flow, here is you go to the content list.

640
01:02:53.870 --> 01:03:01.810
Aaron McHale: You go to interact with the content type. You you tag, you know. Click on. Say, article you press, you know. Yeah, maybe filter out published.

641
01:03:02.370 --> 01:03:03.720
Aaron McHale: Sure language.

642
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:04.630
Aaron McHale: You know.

643
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Aaron McHale: you press filter.

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01:03:08.210 --> 01:03:11.800
Aaron McHale: you get a reset button, and you see those filters being applied.

645
01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:16.620
Aaron McHale: And as the user, you duck, you just applied those filters.

646
01:03:16.650 --> 01:03:23.870
Aaron McHale: So you know, you know, you have an indication there. Okay, there's some filters applied because the drop they're selected in those dropdowns.

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Aaron McHale: and there's a reset button to go back to the default state.

648
01:03:28.090 --> 01:03:28.639
Aaron McHale: but that's.

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benji: Single select list. None of those are multi select lists.

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Aaron McHale: It's the the point is like, my point I'm making is this is because just to demonstrate like views doesn't add these like pills.

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01:03:42.090 --> 01:03:42.890
Aaron McHale: It.

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01:03:43.300 --> 01:03:45.300
Aaron McHale: you know, as the user.

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Aaron McHale: you've just applied filters. So you know, the filters applied

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benji: And it doesn't need to apply pills because these are all single select lists. None of these is a multi select list.

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Scott Carpenter: Let's take the example of content type. If you were to change the filter for this and view. So now go to edit the view. But make this a multi-select field

656
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Scott Carpenter: views automatically transforms the widget to radio buttons

657
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Scott Carpenter: or a multi-select select list. Those are 2 options for the widget that it lets you have.

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benji: Okay, and we're we're happy to get our

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benji: I I have to leave. You can continue

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benji: the conversation if you want.

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01:04:30.670 --> 01:04:33.479
benji: but I'll be back next week. Thanks for coming

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01:04:34.700 --> 01:04:35.380
benji: later.

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Aaron McHale: Bank.

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Ralf Koller: Thank you.

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01:04:45.590 --> 01:04:52.410
Aaron McHale: yeah, I'm actually, I'm happy to stay on just a minute. Because I think if we if you guys have time, because we

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01:04:54.834 --> 01:04:58.630
Aaron McHale: basically a point is that like, if you

667
01:04:59.498 --> 01:05:06.209
Aaron McHale: with use like doesn't apply as Phil doesn't, it doesn't have this pill. So like, my point is like, do we? Are they actually needed?

668
01:05:06.980 --> 01:05:12.270
Aaron McHale: Because, yeah, as the user, you've went and you've selected the filters. So

669
01:05:12.460 --> 01:05:13.350
Aaron McHale: like.

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01:05:15.100 --> 01:05:16.740
Aaron McHale: then you see the result.

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01:05:18.470 --> 01:05:22.460
Aaron McHale: So the only reason I connect. To have those pills would be to communicate to the user that

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01:05:23.430 --> 01:05:26.159
Aaron McHale: there are maybe some like predefined

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01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:28.980
Aaron McHale: filters, but.

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Scott Carpenter: And like that suggestion over there

675
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.229
Scott Carpenter: about putting in the count

676
01:05:33.330 --> 01:05:36.749
Scott Carpenter: on the filter list instead of the pills, right like you have this many.

677
01:05:37.140 --> 01:05:42.429
Scott Carpenter: and then having the filter list actually have a clear all on its own

678
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:53.060
Scott Carpenter: means that that you're transferring all the way to the filter to the, to the to the line of elements right to the line of inputs. Right now they're selects all those selects. You don't need the pills.

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01:05:53.350 --> 01:05:58.999
Scott Carpenter: The 3 that are actually selects with 2 items right now, you don't need to count on them, because the user knows that there's only 2 items in it

680
01:05:59.120 --> 01:06:01.090
Scott Carpenter: and the filter category

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01:06:01.120 --> 01:06:14.059
Scott Carpenter: with the helper below to let people know that there's a number I would have selected. They would know that. See that visually, quickly, at least. And then, if that reset, if that list had its own reset that takes care of the clutter of pills.

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01:06:14.610 --> 01:06:15.370
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

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01:06:19.340 --> 01:06:26.900
Scott Carpenter: And if the other 3 columns that have 2 items only become radio buttons or whatever. And however, the ux flip flips on that, that's a smaller concern, right?

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01:06:28.520 --> 01:06:29.310
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

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01:06:29.970 --> 01:06:30.550
Scott Carpenter: I think.

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01:06:42.250 --> 01:06:43.862
Ralf Koller: Just one thought.

687
01:06:45.090 --> 01:06:50.349
Ralf Koller: there is a pattern I've seen in several examples.

688
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Ralf Koller: The smashing magazine provided.

689
01:06:54.910 --> 01:06:58.620
Ralf Koller: some pages use aside the results.

690
01:07:01.160 --> 01:07:04.730
Ralf Koller: Some use just the result. Some use

691
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Ralf Koller: the keywords that were searched for the results underneath.

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01:07:09.940 --> 01:07:12.120
Ralf Koller: maybe as a thought.

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01:07:15.490 --> 01:07:21.460
Ralf Koller: not sure how it would work, or if it would be too overwhelming.

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01:07:21.620 --> 01:07:27.469
Ralf Koller: But if you'd go with that pattern and use maybe number of results, and

695
01:07:27.690 --> 01:07:31.010
Ralf Koller: maybe the filters applied there

696
01:07:33.020 --> 01:07:35.580
Ralf Koller: and move everything out of that

697
01:07:35.590 --> 01:07:38.989
Ralf Koller: field set up there underneath, and less

698
01:07:39.470 --> 01:07:41.140
Ralf Koller: prominent, and

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01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.229
Ralf Koller: taking up that much space.

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01:07:57.920 --> 01:07:58.950
Scott Carpenter: Worth a mock-up

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01:07:59.230 --> 01:07:59.890
Scott Carpenter: right?

702
01:08:00.499 --> 01:08:04.560
Scott Carpenter: It's worth something to together a mock up, at least

703
01:08:05.820 --> 01:08:06.800
Scott Carpenter: thinking about it.

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01:08:07.740 --> 01:08:09.579
Ralf Koller: But yeah, but yeah, but

705
01:08:10.120 --> 01:08:15.309
Ralf Koller: selecting all the available categories is still an edge case and

706
01:08:16.225 --> 01:08:19.790
Ralf Koller: won't happen. So usually it will be 3

707
01:08:20.020 --> 01:08:22.329
Ralf Koller: to 5 tops, I suppose.

708
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:23.899
Ralf Koller: Categories.

709
01:08:24.210 --> 01:08:26.899
Ralf Koller: Which is way more doable.

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01:08:28.290 --> 01:08:29.069
Ralf Koller: Space-wise.

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01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:31.490
Ralf Koller: So yeah, maybe.

712
01:08:39.100 --> 01:08:40.260
Ralf Koller: What if it does

713
01:08:47.160 --> 01:08:51.309
Ralf Koller: but with a single? If we go down to the example of just.

714
01:08:56.630 --> 01:08:58.950
Aaron McHale: Ralph, are you still meant to be sharing your screen.

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01:08:59.979 --> 01:09:01.309
Ralf Koller: Oh! Oh!

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01:09:03.950 --> 01:09:05.600
Scott Carpenter: I actually have to go, I'd have to go.

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01:09:06.295 --> 01:09:08.084
Scott Carpenter: I got some work to do, too.

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01:09:08.340 --> 01:09:09.080
Aaron McHale: Perfect.

719
01:09:09.080 --> 01:09:09.790
Ralf Koller: Okay.

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01:09:10.630 --> 01:09:11.719
Scott Carpenter: Have a good day, guys.

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01:09:11.890 --> 01:09:12.870
Ralf Koller: Likewise.

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01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:17.800
Aaron McHale: What were you saying, Ralph?

723
01:09:18.930 --> 01:09:21.121
Ralf Koller: yeah. My point was just

724
01:09:23.130 --> 01:09:27.240
Ralf Koller: having 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 pills

725
01:09:27.819 --> 01:09:28.620
Ralf Koller: is

726
01:09:29.890 --> 01:09:31.950
Ralf Koller: probably the number

727
01:09:32.950 --> 01:09:34.439
Ralf Koller: maximum number

728
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Ralf Koller: more or less.

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01:09:39.050 --> 01:09:39.560
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

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01:09:39.569 --> 01:09:41.659
Ralf Koller: One will have so.

731
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Aaron McHale: And if, like active maintains, you know, cars here knowledge. If those aren't built, if those aren't pills, then

732
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Aaron McHale: become shorter. But if you actually search in the keyword search.

733
01:09:58.460 --> 01:09:59.859
Aaron McHale: Is that added.

734
01:10:04.650 --> 01:10:05.540
Ralf Koller: What is added.

735
01:10:06.580 --> 01:10:10.440
Aaron McHale: If the term is added as a pill to the list.

736
01:10:10.890 --> 01:10:12.419
Ralf Koller: Oh, no! That is not.

737
01:10:12.860 --> 01:10:19.699
Aaron McHale: Oh, see, that's weird to me, cause like well, I guess it isn't. Isn't because, like.

738
01:10:21.310 --> 01:10:28.220
Aaron McHale: if the point of this is to commute like, because then, presumably the clear all doesn't clear the keyword search.

739
01:10:29.950 --> 01:10:30.960
Aaron McHale: or does it?

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Aaron McHale: No, that leaves the keyword search in

741
01:10:34.780 --> 01:10:35.310
Aaron McHale: thought.

742
01:10:35.310 --> 01:10:38.700
Ralf Koller: That refers only to the filter settings that clear all.

743
01:10:39.080 --> 01:10:43.869
Aaron McHale: Yeah, I I would kind of ex. I, personally, I would have expected it to like.

744
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.269
Aaron McHale: also reset the search

745
01:10:46.660 --> 01:10:48.870
Aaron McHale: because the the keyword search

746
01:10:49.130 --> 01:10:53.059
Aaron McHale: cat like forbid is part of the filtering experience.

747
01:10:55.040 --> 01:10:57.049
Aaron McHale: So it's weird to me that, like

748
01:10:58.550 --> 01:10:59.800
Aaron McHale: it's not.

749
01:10:59.860 --> 01:11:01.810
Aaron McHale: it's not part of the same thing.

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01:11:04.290 --> 01:11:08.160
Ralf Koller: That is a good point. But, on the other hand, one detail

751
01:11:11.150 --> 01:11:13.149
Ralf Koller: we had the problem of

752
01:11:15.340 --> 01:11:17.989
Ralf Koller: you. You can distinguish between

753
01:11:18.780 --> 01:11:25.800
Ralf Koller: the pill, for, for example, development status and the pill for filter by category that they they look

754
01:11:26.820 --> 01:11:37.090
Ralf Koller: homogenous. But if you just drop those pills and don't display them, and only display for categories, and that at the same time is also odd

755
01:11:37.350 --> 01:11:38.780
Ralf Koller: and inconsistent.

756
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Aaron McHale: That's why I think, like with views, the views interface for, like, you know, admin, content, or whatever else like, it doesn't have this concept of pills, and I think it's less confusing in some ways if it just doesn't, because I think that.

757
01:11:53.290 --> 01:12:00.899
Aaron McHale: like you said, there's there. If you search with the view, with views that is like this. The keyword search essentially.

758
01:12:01.100 --> 01:12:02.720
Aaron McHale: is part of

759
01:12:02.790 --> 01:12:05.030
Aaron McHale: the same set of filters.

760
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Aaron McHale: Yep.

761
01:12:10.170 --> 01:12:13.310
Aaron McHale: because we have to think of this as like it.

762
01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:19.870
Aaron McHale: Like again, thinking about this in a user flow. If I'm a user, go to this list

763
01:12:20.540 --> 01:12:25.850
Aaron McHale: to I, the action I'm performing here is is to narrow down

764
01:12:25.980 --> 01:12:27.230
Aaron McHale: the search

765
01:12:27.611 --> 01:12:29.860
Aaron McHale: to things that I want to find.

766
01:12:29.950 --> 01:12:39.129
Aaron McHale: Whether that is by keyword or by category like doesn't really matter. The thing I'm doing is is narrowing down that list.

767
01:12:39.820 --> 01:12:41.529
Aaron McHale: That's a single

768
01:12:41.570 --> 01:12:45.148
Aaron McHale: like interaction. I guess you could say

769
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Aaron McHale: So it's weird that these are not part of the same experience.

770
01:12:51.950 --> 01:13:03.990
Aaron McHale: because I feel like it should, as with views like exposed filters are all one. It's a single experience. It's a single point of like narrowing down what's presented on the screen.

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01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:08.970
Ralf Koller: just one thought that

772
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:18.209
Ralf Koller: separation having 1st the search, then the filter, then the results that was entirely based on the

773
01:13:19.890 --> 01:13:24.729
Ralf Koller: smashing magazine's recommendation on search. Ux they said.

774
01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:29.409
Ralf Koller: In all the user test studies and workshops

775
01:13:29.610 --> 01:13:31.490
Ralf Koller: it always boils down.

776
01:13:31.950 --> 01:13:33.750
Ralf Koller: Search is always

777
01:13:35.250 --> 01:13:43.630
Ralf Koller: general term, but it is separated and structured in you 1st search, then you filter, and then

778
01:13:43.900 --> 01:13:45.599
Ralf Koller: you basically sought

779
01:13:45.610 --> 01:13:46.720
Ralf Koller: and

780
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:48.319
Ralf Koller: watch the results.

781
01:13:48.900 --> 01:13:50.769
Ralf Koller: So those are sub steps.

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01:13:54.340 --> 01:13:55.990
Aaron McHale: Interesting, I think.

783
01:13:56.580 --> 01:13:59.320
Aaron McHale: this is the. This is the the thing about then.

784
01:14:00.360 --> 01:14:01.220
Aaron McHale: like.

785
01:14:02.700 --> 01:14:09.150
Aaron McHale: I think if the filters were then present, like, because now, okay, so we've moved them up to the top.

786
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:13.070
Aaron McHale: So that's fine, because they're less visually

787
01:14:13.674 --> 01:14:24.899
Aaron McHale: cluttered. But now I'm looking at it. And I'm like. Well, to me it all looks like it's part of the same filtering experience. So now it feels weird. That

788
01:14:25.230 --> 01:14:28.709
Aaron McHale: searching for something is like a different

789
01:14:29.060 --> 01:14:32.950
Aaron McHale: is, is different than filtering for something.

790
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:35.939
Aaron McHale: because I I feel like

791
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:42.729
Aaron McHale: if they were like most. The standard pattern for searching and filtering is that you have.

792
01:14:43.160 --> 01:14:48.700
Aaron McHale: you know. Like, if you look at any online store, the filters will be like down the side.

793
01:14:49.820 --> 01:15:04.489
Aaron McHale: broadly speaking, like, if you look at Amazon, you know, filters on the left like you know or like, there's there's clear visual separation between that searching and that filtering, whereas now here we

794
01:15:04.740 --> 01:15:07.370
Aaron McHale: like brought them together.

795
01:15:07.630 --> 01:15:13.859
Aaron McHale: So because we've done that, it now feels weird. That clearing the filters doesn't also clear the search term.

796
01:15:17.045 --> 01:15:21.144
Ralf Koller: That clearing the filter is basically an artifact or

797
01:15:22.370 --> 01:15:23.800
Ralf Koller: from the

798
01:15:24.270 --> 01:15:26.340
Ralf Koller: previous state.

799
01:15:26.470 --> 01:15:27.070
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

800
01:15:27.070 --> 01:15:31.080
Ralf Koller: That clear filter should probably be discussed.

801
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:34.199
Ralf Koller: How it behaves.

802
01:15:34.550 --> 01:15:39.469
Aaron McHale: Yeah. And you got like recommended filters as well, which is

803
01:15:40.660 --> 01:15:41.882
Aaron McHale: which is fine.

804
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.779
Aaron McHale: yeah, this is. The thing is like.

805
01:15:46.310 --> 01:15:50.139
Aaron McHale: I don't know I like. I feel like, because we've moved it

806
01:15:52.500 --> 01:15:57.779
Aaron McHale: because we've moved them closer together. It now feels like they should all be part of the same

807
01:15:58.480 --> 01:15:59.750
Aaron McHale: experience.

808
01:16:01.100 --> 01:16:02.829
Aaron McHale: Still like sacred, right now.

809
01:16:03.020 --> 01:16:05.070
Ralf Koller: One sec. There is

810
01:16:06.210 --> 01:16:08.500
Ralf Koller: basically what you're saying.

811
01:16:09.170 --> 01:16:11.661
Aaron McHale: Probably goes in that direction.

812
01:16:12.780 --> 01:16:13.840
Ralf Koller: That way. You have

813
01:16:14.380 --> 01:16:16.230
Ralf Koller: all in one.

814
01:16:16.750 --> 01:16:17.580
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

815
01:16:17.810 --> 01:16:23.840
Aaron McHale: I mean that that was like, that's basically what we're doing right now. So we're well.

816
01:16:25.030 --> 01:16:30.119
Aaron McHale: one, I guess I'm saying, is, by moving the filters to the top.

817
01:16:30.710 --> 01:16:31.780
Aaron McHale: waved

818
01:16:32.150 --> 01:16:38.609
Aaron McHale: so visually communicated that they're much more closely tied to the search.

819
01:16:39.120 --> 01:16:42.099
Aaron McHale: But they still work

820
01:16:42.220 --> 01:16:45.840
Aaron McHale: well. I guess they were always at the top. I don't know they they

821
01:16:46.190 --> 01:16:48.580
Aaron McHale: yeah, because in this one.

822
01:16:48.710 --> 01:16:55.100
Aaron McHale: when you search for something, the thing I would expect is like when you search for something, and then the dropdowns, like

823
01:16:55.780 --> 01:17:01.760
Aaron McHale: the clicking search, takes into account like your search term and the filters you've selected.

824
01:17:03.240 --> 01:17:07.750
Aaron McHale: and so like, if you clear those filters? I'm assuming it clears out everything.

825
01:17:10.318 --> 01:17:13.950
Ralf Koller: In here. The reset I would expect.

826
01:17:14.050 --> 01:17:14.730
Ralf Koller: I can't.

827
01:17:14.730 --> 01:17:17.070
Aaron McHale: And there's nothing site there. Yeah.

828
01:17:17.781 --> 01:17:20.990
Aaron McHale: so that only resets what's inside it. Then.

829
01:17:20.990 --> 01:17:23.310
Ralf Koller: Certain model or the dialogue. Yeah.

830
01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:29.069
Aaron McHale: But we we've got a reset on this outside, and the reset button outside only resets

831
01:17:30.020 --> 01:17:31.459
Aaron McHale: the filters.

832
01:17:31.830 --> 01:17:34.050
Aaron McHale: It doesn't reset keyword search.

833
01:17:34.160 --> 01:17:34.880
Aaron McHale: Yep.

834
01:17:35.080 --> 01:17:39.659
Aaron McHale: but and that's okay. If they weren't so close together.

835
01:17:40.490 --> 01:17:46.390
Aaron McHale: but because they're so close together, I mean, maybe because there is like a box around them. But like.

836
01:17:47.510 --> 01:17:49.539
Ralf Koller: And, technically speaking.

837
01:17:50.170 --> 01:17:58.299
Ralf Koller: the that field is search, and that all those fields are filters and clear filters refers to filter. So.

838
01:17:58.750 --> 01:17:59.480
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

839
01:18:02.470 --> 01:18:03.900
Ralf Koller: I see your point.

840
01:18:06.430 --> 01:18:11.840
Ralf Koller: And that one the too many things open.

841
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:13.629
Ralf Koller: close, close.

842
01:18:14.400 --> 01:18:16.180
Ralf Koller: close, close.

843
01:18:19.400 --> 01:18:20.910
Ralf Koller: That's all. That wasn't.

844
01:18:27.990 --> 01:18:31.719
Ralf Koller: Yeah. It's it's complicated.

845
01:18:31.890 --> 01:18:32.889
Ralf Koller: Yeah, I'm home.

846
01:18:35.700 --> 01:18:46.579
Ralf Koller: But looking at this search, you rolex example, that's also one of the reasons why I'm hesitant in regards of going with radio buttons here.

847
01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:50.500
Ralf Koller: It's less compact

848
01:18:52.180 --> 01:18:53.250
Ralf Koller: and.

849
01:18:53.250 --> 01:18:53.860
Aaron McHale: Oh!

850
01:18:56.970 --> 01:18:57.939
Ralf Koller: I'm not sure

851
01:19:07.420 --> 01:19:10.320
Ralf Koller: but yeah, there's the time aspect, and therefore

852
01:19:12.200 --> 01:19:13.070
Ralf Koller: maybe.

853
01:19:13.070 --> 01:19:17.659
Aaron McHale: The filters were rear buttons. It would make more sense to have them down. The side

854
01:19:18.080 --> 01:19:19.410
Aaron McHale: is, I guess.

855
01:19:20.300 --> 01:19:28.120
Aaron McHale: or maybe it wouldn't but like it would, they would feel more. I think this is the problem, because by having them at the top and not down the side.

856
01:19:28.440 --> 01:19:33.460
Aaron McHale: it makes them feel a lot more like entangled with the search keyword search.

857
01:19:38.100 --> 01:19:40.742
Aaron McHale: I know I'm small, like, I guess.

858
01:19:46.450 --> 01:19:48.280
Aaron McHale: yeah, hmm!

859
01:19:50.240 --> 01:19:51.300
Aaron McHale: I don't know.

860
01:19:55.160 --> 01:19:56.119
Ralf Koller: Me, neither.

861
01:19:56.380 --> 01:19:57.150
Aaron McHale: Hmm.

862
01:19:57.700 --> 01:20:00.460
Ralf Koller: I. The only thing I know him. Yeah.

863
01:20:04.230 --> 01:20:06.040
Ralf Koller: check radio buttons

864
01:20:06.320 --> 01:20:11.410
Ralf Koller: might be clearer, but still they have their downsides as well.

865
01:20:13.630 --> 01:20:20.129
Ralf Koller: First, st from from that aspect that horizontally aligned with that multi-select

866
01:20:20.700 --> 01:20:24.659
Ralf Koller: fields, as well as the point I've mentioned with it. So all

867
01:20:25.340 --> 01:20:28.200
Ralf Koller: which is explicit for those 3, and then

868
01:20:28.330 --> 01:20:30.130
Ralf Koller: implicit in here.

869
01:20:30.610 --> 01:20:31.300
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

870
01:20:31.870 --> 01:20:32.800
Ralf Koller: Hung.

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01:20:34.890 --> 01:20:35.760
Aaron McHale: Yeah, that's

872
01:20:36.570 --> 01:20:37.700
Aaron McHale: that's weird.

873
01:20:40.450 --> 01:20:45.489
Aaron McHale: I don't like i i i don't like the idea of like mixing different.

874
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:49.339
Aaron McHale: I mean, it might be fine. But I think what you're saying is like

875
01:20:50.510 --> 01:20:52.090
Aaron McHale: it. It doesn't.

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01:20:52.530 --> 01:20:57.211
Aaron McHale: It? Probably wouldn't look good if we like mix different

877
01:20:59.306 --> 01:21:02.249
Aaron McHale: elements, because it's gonna

878
01:21:03.670 --> 01:21:05.429
Aaron McHale: look, it's kind of like weird.

879
01:21:06.060 --> 01:21:11.600
Ralf Koller: And that is the reason why I've suggested those toggle buttons that way. They are sort of.

880
01:21:12.210 --> 01:21:12.770
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

881
01:21:12.770 --> 01:21:15.090
Ralf Koller: Visually consistent, even though

882
01:21:15.130 --> 01:21:16.970
Ralf Koller: there are 2 different.

883
01:21:17.440 --> 01:21:18.130
Aaron McHale: Yeah

884
01:21:18.700 --> 01:21:19.760
Aaron McHale: concepts.

885
01:21:21.420 --> 01:21:23.259
Ralf Koller: But it would be at least a compromise.

886
01:21:28.010 --> 01:21:29.440
Aaron McHale: That could be done.

887
01:21:31.020 --> 01:21:31.690
Aaron McHale: Yep.

888
01:21:32.030 --> 01:21:33.860
Ralf Koller: I agree, but it just.

889
01:21:37.060 --> 01:21:38.159
Aaron McHale: I think it'd be

890
01:21:41.670 --> 01:21:43.600
Aaron McHale: it probably take up less space.

891
01:21:44.050 --> 01:21:44.740
Aaron McHale: Yep.

892
01:21:50.310 --> 01:21:52.199
Ralf Koller: And it might even work

893
01:21:52.900 --> 01:21:54.250
Ralf Koller: that way

894
01:21:56.350 --> 01:21:58.399
Ralf Koller: to go with a single line.

895
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:00.520
Aaron McHale: Room.

896
01:22:01.220 --> 01:22:03.580
Ralf Koller: Approach like here. Yeah. But still

897
01:22:05.320 --> 01:22:08.200
Ralf Koller: that solution, for Mobile

898
01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:10.930
Ralf Koller: might look odd.

899
01:22:12.330 --> 01:22:13.340
Aaron McHale: How does that?

900
01:22:14.050 --> 01:22:16.780
Aaron McHale: Do you know how that works on a small screen.

901
01:22:19.940 --> 01:22:21.760
Ralf Koller: Technically, that

902
01:22:22.070 --> 01:22:24.270
Ralf Koller: component is one single

903
01:22:24.540 --> 01:22:25.510
Ralf Koller: element.

904
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:31.320
Ralf Koller: that search field, including those 3 multi select fields

905
01:22:31.540 --> 01:22:32.610
Ralf Koller: and

906
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:35.879
Ralf Koller: no idea how they wrap

907
01:22:37.110 --> 01:22:38.880
Ralf Koller: or align things

908
01:22:39.250 --> 01:22:43.320
Ralf Koller: on Mobile, and unfortunately, those is from a workshop

909
01:22:43.540 --> 01:22:47.529
Ralf Koller: they did with the EU, and there's no working prototype yet.

910
01:22:48.200 --> 01:22:48.940
Aaron McHale: Okay.

911
01:22:48.940 --> 01:22:50.000
Ralf Koller: To take a look at

912
01:22:51.100 --> 01:22:51.970
Ralf Koller: so.

913
01:22:53.070 --> 01:22:53.480
Aaron McHale: Okay.

914
01:22:57.160 --> 01:23:03.060
Aaron McHale: see, the other thing to consider is like, go back to example views. Right? So like people using this are

915
01:23:03.510 --> 01:23:12.179
Aaron McHale: probably gonna be used to like using experiences. Ja also generated by views so like the Admin content list and other things.

916
01:23:12.240 --> 01:23:13.810
Aaron McHale: part of me feels like

917
01:23:14.290 --> 01:23:16.479
Aaron McHale: the like. The behavior

918
01:23:17.433 --> 01:23:18.660
Aaron McHale: should be

919
01:23:19.150 --> 01:23:21.969
Aaron McHale: similar to views, because that's what people

920
01:23:22.090 --> 01:23:25.539
Aaron McHale: expect. The drip of admin interface to work like

921
01:23:26.238 --> 01:23:30.620
Aaron McHale: Project Browser. The fact it's not generated by view is this.

922
01:23:30.810 --> 01:23:34.016
Aaron McHale: what's a good thing and a bad thing in that regard?

923
01:23:35.260 --> 01:23:37.059
Aaron McHale: but like

924
01:23:37.990 --> 01:23:43.459
Aaron McHale: like, it'd be nice if actually it was generated by views, because then it would.

925
01:23:44.750 --> 01:23:48.319
Aaron McHale: it could enable so many more interesting things, however.

926
01:23:48.700 --> 01:23:49.986
Aaron McHale: that aside,

927
01:23:50.830 --> 01:23:57.784
Aaron McHale: when I suggest the idea, like anyone, listen to me but right back at the start. But

928
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:03.220
Aaron McHale: yeah, the

929
01:24:08.710 --> 01:24:16.129
Aaron McHale: I think there's value in considering making the experience as similar as possible to

930
01:24:16.360 --> 01:24:19.360
Aaron McHale: how you filter content and search for content

931
01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:25.480
Aaron McHale: because it like it might not be perfect, and it might not be great. I'm not saying it's perfect or great.

932
01:24:25.490 --> 01:24:28.130
Aaron McHale: but at least it's consistent with

933
01:24:28.470 --> 01:24:31.410
Aaron McHale: everything else in the admin interface. Then

934
01:24:31.510 --> 01:24:32.240
Aaron McHale: yep.

935
01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:38.830
Ralf Koller: And that was my idea. Behind

936
01:24:40.120 --> 01:24:42.759
Ralf Koller: these are questions to get it sort of

937
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:45.510
Ralf Koller: similar, but

938
01:24:48.140 --> 01:24:52.809
Ralf Koller: definitely those select with only 2 options is not an option at all.

939
01:24:53.460 --> 01:24:54.370
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

940
01:24:57.120 --> 01:24:58.750
Ralf Koller: Unfortunately, but.

941
01:25:04.710 --> 01:25:05.930
Aaron McHale: Okay. Well.

942
01:25:06.100 --> 01:25:06.520
Ralf Koller: Tricky.

943
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:11.349
Aaron McHale: I I also have to know. But I I think

944
01:25:12.200 --> 01:25:14.629
Aaron McHale: it sounds like there's some.

945
01:25:17.400 --> 01:25:20.900
Aaron McHale: There's at least some things that could be considered. And

946
01:25:22.970 --> 01:25:26.273
Aaron McHale: you know, radio buttons is one of those things.

947
01:25:27.340 --> 01:25:31.350
Aaron McHale: making it work more like views is another thing.

948
01:25:32.170 --> 01:25:33.890
Aaron McHale: and that could include

949
01:25:34.300 --> 01:25:50.789
Aaron McHale: radio buttons. But what it would mean is that the search? It would mean that we would drop pills, and the the search would become part of the filters, and there would be a like a reset button, and a set, and a search button or filter button, whatever they call it.

950
01:25:51.200 --> 01:25:52.250
Aaron McHale: And

951
01:25:53.440 --> 01:26:00.470
Aaron McHale: and again, I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad idea just saying it's it's in the interest of providing a consistent experience.

952
01:26:01.030 --> 01:26:03.190
Aaron McHale: It's something to consider

953
01:26:04.830 --> 01:26:05.840
Aaron McHale: and.

954
01:26:09.210 --> 01:26:11.780
Ralf Koller: And talking of consistency.

955
01:26:13.040 --> 01:26:14.719
Ralf Koller: If you take a look at that.

956
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:24.440
Ralf Koller: Hmm!

957
01:26:27.700 --> 01:26:30.140
Ralf Koller: At the moment nothing is found or odd.

958
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:32.170
Aaron McHale: You broke it.

959
01:26:32.510 --> 01:26:33.320
Ralf Koller: Yeah.

960
01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.809
Ralf Koller: it's it's in flux. So.

961
01:26:38.360 --> 01:26:42.780
Ralf Koller: but yeah, that is another problem. With all the things there

962
01:26:43.510 --> 01:26:49.650
Ralf Koller: which categories to use and all the other filter options, they are not applicable to recipes.

963
01:26:50.060 --> 01:26:53.450
Aaron McHale: I mean, yeah, even the pagination is not consistent.

964
01:26:55.860 --> 01:26:56.760
Ralf Koller: It is not.

965
01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:02.159
Aaron McHale: Like. So so with with like other parts of drupal like.

966
01:27:02.420 --> 01:27:05.100
Aaron McHale: I don't think it is like the result.

967
01:27:06.120 --> 01:27:10.220
Aaron McHale: like modules per page, for instance, is down there as an option.

968
01:27:14.020 --> 01:27:16.140
Aaron McHale: and I don't know what's.

969
01:27:19.250 --> 01:27:23.440
Ralf Koller: Oh, oh, no! I oh, hello! Oh, you know it's interesting.

970
01:27:24.260 --> 01:27:25.390
Ralf Koller: Take that.

971
01:27:29.290 --> 01:27:32.810
Ralf Koller: That's tricky. If you select a category

972
01:27:32.850 --> 01:27:36.670
Ralf Koller: over@triple.org the source and go over to recipes.

973
01:27:37.360 --> 01:27:40.150
Ralf Koller: Oh, no, it's work working strange.

974
01:27:45.830 --> 01:27:47.559
Aaron McHale: Yeah, that might be.

975
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:55.190
Aaron McHale: Oh, wait, that's weird. I don't understand the recipes tab like. What? Why is it different from triple org, like, you know?

976
01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:05.040
Aaron McHale: Hmm.

977
01:28:09.310 --> 01:28:12.459
Ralf Koller: Yeah. Now it's now I got it reproduced again. Yeah.

978
01:28:13.370 --> 01:28:15.419
Ralf Koller: that is also those tabs

979
01:28:15.790 --> 01:28:16.850
Ralf Koller: shouldn't be there.

980
01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:21.519
Aaron McHale: Yeah. The tabs confuse me a little bit.

981
01:28:22.420 --> 01:28:28.279
Ralf Koller: In in particular. It's it's settings you you do. Underneath the search field.

982
01:28:29.010 --> 01:28:31.100
Ralf Koller: Those tabs would have to be

983
01:28:31.620 --> 01:28:34.289
Ralf Koller: down there underneath the filters.

984
01:28:35.650 --> 01:28:38.120
Ralf Koller: otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

985
01:28:38.260 --> 01:28:39.330
Ralf Koller: Hmm! Cause

986
01:28:40.190 --> 01:28:41.220
Ralf Koller: this cope.

987
01:28:41.590 --> 01:28:43.839
Ralf Koller: I would expect the search

988
01:28:44.940 --> 01:28:55.489
Ralf Koller: in here refers only to that 3rd to that source and the settings and the search and filters in here refers only to that source. But it's basically

989
01:28:56.250 --> 01:28:57.410
Ralf Koller: overarching.

990
01:28:57.770 --> 01:29:01.099
Ralf Koller: but based on that interface. That's not clear at all.

991
01:29:02.050 --> 01:29:02.850
Aaron McHale: Yeah.

992
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:04.010
Aaron McHale: Hmm.

993
01:29:04.971 --> 01:29:10.540
Aaron McHale: okay. Well, I I don't know if we have a resolution on this, but.

994
01:29:10.870 --> 01:29:12.160
Ralf Koller: Not at all.

995
01:29:12.740 --> 01:29:22.379
Aaron McHale: And well, good chatting with you. Okay, I'll be hopefully back next week. Hopefully, I'm I've been kind of like really busy lately, and it's

996
01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:24.789
Aaron McHale: not really had much energy for.

997
01:29:25.620 --> 01:29:26.570
Aaron McHale: The spur.

998
01:29:26.890 --> 01:29:27.675
Ralf Koller: Is

999
01:29:29.020 --> 01:29:31.590
Ralf Koller: is the upgrade to 1110

1000
01:29:31.930 --> 01:29:33.430
Ralf Koller: for university

1001
01:29:33.780 --> 01:29:35.060
Ralf Koller: still underway.

1002
01:29:36.610 --> 01:29:39.459
Aaron McHale: Yes, it's nearly.

1003
01:29:40.990 --> 01:29:42.235
Aaron McHale: It's nearly done.

1004
01:29:42.650 --> 01:29:43.480
Ralf Koller: Isn't it?

1005
01:29:44.440 --> 01:29:45.100
Ralf Koller: Oh.

1006
01:29:45.100 --> 01:29:47.960
Aaron McHale: Luckily, I'm well, no, because.

1007
01:29:48.730 --> 01:29:53.157
Aaron McHale: yeah, it's still very much in progress, because my area like

1008
01:29:54.170 --> 01:30:00.760
Aaron McHale: the the the part of the website that I'm working on right now doesn't have it. But we'll get it very soon. So

1009
01:30:00.780 --> 01:30:09.680
Aaron McHale: you know, it's we're we're still in a big migration from our drupal 7 cms to our drupal. 9. Now, 10 platform. So

1010
01:30:10.240 --> 01:30:12.719
Aaron McHale: that's not gonna be done anytime soon.

1011
01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:15.710
Aaron McHale: That's massive work in progress.

1012
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:17.890
Ralf Koller: So it will be 1111 then.

1013
01:30:18.500 --> 01:30:19.250
Ralf Koller: probably.

1014
01:30:19.526 --> 01:30:29.203
Aaron McHale: We might be on. We might still be on 10 by the time it's done. I think that's the migration is taking up a lot of resource, so it's hard to get other things done.

1015
01:30:29.940 --> 01:30:30.570
Ralf Koller: Okay.

1016
01:30:30.570 --> 01:30:35.579
Aaron McHale: Yeah, they, I mean, that's a different. That's a slightly different team than me, because

1017
01:30:35.870 --> 01:30:38.379
Aaron McHale: my main project is our whole

1018
01:30:39.100 --> 01:30:49.039
Aaron McHale: degree finding searching experience, or funny enough, and all the content types around that. So that's what I'm I'm leading on. So.

1019
01:30:49.040 --> 01:30:49.970
Ralf Koller: Oh, case!

1020
01:30:50.650 --> 01:30:51.226
Aaron McHale: With

1021
01:30:52.860 --> 01:30:56.130
Aaron McHale: Well, yeah, so fun. So

1022
01:30:56.910 --> 01:30:59.439
Aaron McHale: yeah, okay, well, I.

1023
01:31:00.210 --> 01:31:00.920
Ralf Koller: Fingers crossed.

1024
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:02.874
Aaron McHale: I'll be back next week. Yeah.

1025
01:31:03.200 --> 01:31:06.500
Ralf Koller: Oklahoma. Then rest well and have a nice weekend.

1026
01:31:06.500 --> 01:31:07.979
Aaron McHale: You too, bye.

1027
01:31:07.980 --> 01:31:08.670
Ralf Koller: Bye, bye.