WEBVTT 81 00:11:20.380 --> 00:11:28.220 benji: welcome. This is the duple usability meeting for June 28, th 2024. I'm Benji Fisher, sharing my screen and moderating. 82 00:11:28.420 --> 00:11:32.980 benji: And it's a small meeting today. The only other person present is Ralph Koler 83 00:11:33.340 --> 00:11:36.659 benji: and Ralph brought up this issue. It is 84 00:11:37.375 --> 00:11:44.339 benji: in the project browser contribute module. It's issue 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 5, 4. 85 00:11:44.660 --> 00:11:51.240 benji: Review, all pop up. Messages shown by the spell to I installer for user friendliness. 86 00:11:51.800 --> 00:11:55.850 benji: And, Ralph, I think you said there was just one message that you wanted to look at. 87 00:11:57.090 --> 00:12:06.059 Ralf Koller: as far as I remember. If you scroll down to comment number 19. That is the comment summarizing the outcome of 88 00:12:06.830 --> 00:12:10.330 Ralf Koller: the Usability meeting in June 2023. 89 00:12:14.020 --> 00:12:14.720 Ralf Koller: Okay. 90 00:12:14.990 --> 00:12:16.410 Ralf Koller: and 91 00:12:16.640 --> 00:12:23.770 Ralf Koller: the main recommendation be with the voice in 6 to avoid any kind of references to terms like staging area or temporary error still stands. 92 00:12:25.056 --> 00:12:36.510 Ralf Koller: One addition from me as someone working on the words Nothing and the issue before and review. It was deliberating decision. I've decided keeping the term staging area in C, comment number 8, 93 00:12:36.730 --> 00:12:46.809 Ralf Koller: paraphrasing what is actually happening? Avoiding any of the formation, Toms became way, too. Verdian, using staging error was brief and not necessarily specific to composer in my eyes. 94 00:12:46.930 --> 00:12:51.250 Ralf Koller: Group came up with a suggestion for the 1st 2 messages how to avoid 95 00:12:51.450 --> 00:12:55.030 Ralf Koller: the term staging area in an acceptable manner. 96 00:12:56.211 --> 00:12:59.569 Ralf Koller: But there is one second. 97 00:13:00.660 --> 00:13:01.600 Ralf Koller: Of course. 98 00:13:05.510 --> 00:13:08.279 Ralf Koller: it was comments. 99 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:21.319 Ralf Koller: We had something like. 100 00:13:21.340 --> 00:13:24.060 Ralf Koller: if you can find it, something like, admin 101 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:25.859 Ralf Koller: auto administrator. 102 00:13:33.700 --> 00:13:35.452 Ralf Koller: It is. Yeah, it's 103 00:13:36.150 --> 00:13:43.519 Ralf Koller: Message number 3, unable to download the project. Yeah. 104 00:13:51.330 --> 00:13:53.270 benji: As I said, comment 15. 105 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:59.180 Ralf Koller: And Comment 15 was unable to download the project 106 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:14.740 Ralf Koller: id module from any available source. Try again in a few minutes, in case the error was due to the server downturn. If the problem persists, check your sites, composer Jason. If all the repository selected in Project Browser are entered there as well. 107 00:14:17.880 --> 00:14:18.980 benji: And K. 108 00:14:19.830 --> 00:14:25.670 Ralf Koller: That is, that is, I think that that is the main problem. I'm still standing with staging area 109 00:14:25.680 --> 00:14:30.060 Ralf Koller: as okayish because it is not really necessary 110 00:14:30.900 --> 00:14:34.849 Ralf Koller: composer related. And someone non-technical 111 00:14:35.180 --> 00:14:38.319 Ralf Koller: might have an idea what staging area 112 00:14:38.770 --> 00:14:40.070 Ralf Koller: could imply. 113 00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:43.669 Ralf Koller: So I'm still okay with that. 114 00:14:43.920 --> 00:14:48.140 Ralf Koller: But yeah. Comment number 3, I'm completely out of ideas. 115 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.879 benji: You know, I mean, comment number 3, mean comment, 15. 116 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:55.010 Ralf Koller: Comment. F. Sorry, F. 117 00:14:55.852 --> 00:14:57.699 Ralf Koller: Message, number 3. Yeah. 118 00:14:57.970 --> 00:14:59.507 benji: Okay, so let's 119 00:15:01.610 --> 00:15:04.530 benji: zoom in a little bit, because 120 00:15:04.980 --> 00:15:07.880 benji: especially the quoted 121 00:15:09.060 --> 00:15:11.890 benji: text is kind of small font. Okay? 122 00:15:14.150 --> 00:15:24.589 benji: So unable to download the project. Id module from any available source. Try again in few minutes. In case the error was due to a server downtime. 123 00:15:25.130 --> 00:15:29.530 benji: If the problem persists, check your sites, composer Dot Json. 124 00:15:29.740 --> 00:15:34.699 benji: if all the repositories selected in Project Browser are entered there as well. 125 00:15:37.669 --> 00:15:41.529 benji: So we could certainly shorten that a little bit. 126 00:15:42.350 --> 00:15:43.520 benji: But 127 00:15:43.710 --> 00:15:44.849 benji: yeah, let's 128 00:15:44.890 --> 00:15:48.629 benji: yeah. Think about it through the usual questions. 129 00:15:50.470 --> 00:15:58.160 benji: that an error message is supposed to tell you what went wrong and tell you what you can do about it right. Yep. 130 00:15:58.420 --> 00:16:00.570 Ralf Koller: And in that case. 131 00:16:00.730 --> 00:16:02.399 Ralf Koller: according to Chris. 132 00:16:02.820 --> 00:16:07.630 Ralf Koller: if basically, the waiting in case the server is down 133 00:16:07.650 --> 00:16:18.670 Ralf Koller: doesn't bring any change and solve the problem. Then the odds are really really high, and the last resort is to actually go to the composer Json file. 134 00:16:19.590 --> 00:16:21.700 Ralf Koller: and that's the only way 135 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.390 Ralf Koller: to fix it in air quotes. 136 00:16:29.800 --> 00:16:31.819 Ralf Koller: And that way without. 137 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:34.389 Ralf Koller: And leaving Composer Jason out. 138 00:16:34.590 --> 00:16:36.090 Ralf Koller: you basically 139 00:16:36.680 --> 00:16:40.869 Ralf Koller: leave the user in the dark how to fix the problem. Actually. 140 00:16:44.170 --> 00:16:46.070 benji: Okay? So 141 00:16:46.700 --> 00:16:53.227 benji: I think the 1st sentence is okay. Unable to download the project id module from any available source. 142 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.400 benji: So the 1st thing. 143 00:16:56.490 --> 00:16:58.470 benji: Try again in a few minutes. 144 00:17:00.280 --> 00:17:01.339 benji: And I 145 00:17:01.950 --> 00:17:03.399 benji: don't think 146 00:17:05.081 --> 00:17:08.450 benji: we need the rest of that sentence. 147 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:13.380 benji: And then, if the problem persists. 148 00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:21.370 benji: then we have to 149 00:17:23.099 --> 00:17:25.339 benji: give some further advice. 150 00:17:25.650 --> 00:17:26.339 benji: Yep. 151 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:34.280 benji: Now. 152 00:17:37.230 --> 00:17:40.400 benji: this error message doesn't mean there's 153 00:17:40.630 --> 00:17:41.770 benji: a 154 00:17:42.490 --> 00:17:47.790 benji: a conflict in in resolving dependencies, does it? It means that 155 00:17:48.550 --> 00:17:51.590 benji: composer just fails to download it. 156 00:17:56.810 --> 00:17:57.940 Ralf Koller: second 157 00:18:05.730 --> 00:18:06.200 Ralf Koller: it. 158 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:11.279 Ralf Koller: Chris explained that somewhere 159 00:18:19.710 --> 00:18:21.780 benji: That's probably this previous comment. 160 00:18:21.780 --> 00:18:22.750 Ralf Koller: Yeah. 161 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.689 Ralf Koller: it's more about the Repository section. 162 00:18:34.710 --> 00:18:36.340 Ralf Koller: Yeah, that was the point. 163 00:18:36.970 --> 00:18:38.749 benji: Those are repositories. 164 00:18:49.052 --> 00:18:51.160 benji: Do do do 165 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:57.510 benji: so. 166 00:18:59.410 --> 00:19:02.170 benji: I don't know how helpful this is, but 167 00:19:03.572 --> 00:19:06.770 benji: maybe what we should do is 168 00:19:07.690 --> 00:19:10.190 benji: have a lot of detail 169 00:19:10.300 --> 00:19:13.170 benji: in the log message, like the 170 00:19:13.460 --> 00:19:14.510 benji: complete. 171 00:19:14.630 --> 00:19:18.460 benji: rather verbose output from composer 172 00:19:19.280 --> 00:19:22.649 benji: in the log message, and then just have the usual 173 00:19:23.657 --> 00:19:26.519 benji: check the logs for more information 174 00:19:26.590 --> 00:19:28.120 benji: sort of message 175 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.499 benji: in the user interface. 176 00:19:39.930 --> 00:19:42.180 Ralf Koller: I think that might be 177 00:19:43.630 --> 00:19:45.320 Ralf Koller: good idea, cause 178 00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:48.789 Ralf Koller: some somewhat nontechnical 179 00:19:49.050 --> 00:19:56.344 Ralf Koller: might struggle with. If you directly write in the error message. Yeah, check the composer, Jason, 180 00:19:56.900 --> 00:20:01.880 Ralf Koller: person won't have an idea, and at the same time the person would have 181 00:20:01.980 --> 00:20:03.170 Ralf Koller: struggles 182 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:05.830 Ralf Koller: going to the log messages, and 183 00:20:05.890 --> 00:20:13.049 Ralf Koller: these are proposed output which would be also Chinese for him or her. So, but at least 184 00:20:13.570 --> 00:20:19.329 Ralf Koller: that output could be forwarded in a support forum or on on slack, and that way. 185 00:20:21.300 --> 00:20:25.539 Ralf Koller: someone more technical is easier to help the person. So 186 00:20:27.590 --> 00:20:28.490 Ralf Koller: yeah. 187 00:20:29.530 --> 00:20:38.349 Ralf Koller: do you think and check the log messages for information? Maybe make that a clickable link. 188 00:20:40.310 --> 00:20:41.010 benji: Yes. 189 00:20:43.210 --> 00:20:49.070 benji: I don't think we can link to the particular log message. May maybe we can 190 00:20:49.792 --> 00:20:53.140 benji: but but certainly we can add a link to 191 00:20:55.800 --> 00:20:59.820 benji: admin slash reports. Slash logs 192 00:21:03.150 --> 00:21:04.230 benji: Oh, oh. 193 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:10.650 benji: I I guess the reason we usually don't do that is that the dB log module isn't necessarily enabled sometimes. 194 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:13.309 benji: People have to look at Syslogs. 195 00:21:15.070 --> 00:21:16.710 benji: And and I guess. 196 00:21:27.840 --> 00:21:31.960 benji: yeah, I guess if if the problem is is the repositories 197 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.289 benji: we we could give a little additional advice. 198 00:21:47.850 --> 00:22:05.530 Ralf Koller: Chris suggested in 16, unable to download the project module from any available source. This might be a network issue, so you can try again in a few minutes. If the problem persists, check your sites, compose a check, and be sure projects. And okay, no, that is not additional is not helpful. 199 00:22:08.340 --> 00:22:09.619 Ralf Koller: I thought he would 200 00:22:09.790 --> 00:22:11.730 Ralf Koller: incorporate the 201 00:22:11.760 --> 00:22:13.290 Ralf Koller: repositories bit 202 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:29.679 Ralf Koller: so unable to download the project module from any available source. Try again in a few minutes. 203 00:22:30.564 --> 00:22:32.860 Ralf Koller: If the problem persists. 204 00:22:44.190 --> 00:22:45.000 Ralf Koller: check 205 00:22:46.790 --> 00:22:47.740 Ralf Koller: your 206 00:22:51.670 --> 00:22:55.110 Ralf Koller: log files, your sites, log files, or your log files. 207 00:23:01.790 --> 00:23:03.050 benji: So I guess 208 00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:06.010 benji: I would. 209 00:23:06.630 --> 00:23:09.629 benji: But I have this part. This might be a network issue. 210 00:23:12.610 --> 00:23:14.450 benji: I would just say. 211 00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:16.628 benji: try again in a few minutes. 212 00:23:21.730 --> 00:23:24.099 benji: want to. There we go. 213 00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:27.060 benji: Keep the capital. T. 214 00:23:27.790 --> 00:23:28.370 Ralf Koller: Yeah. 215 00:23:28.490 --> 00:23:30.121 Ralf Koller: I already made an 216 00:23:31.660 --> 00:23:33.650 Ralf Koller: a draft here. 217 00:23:40.310 --> 00:23:47.120 benji: I'm not quite sure what this phrase means. To be sure, the project is available to composer. 218 00:23:52.700 --> 00:23:58.829 Ralf Koller: I suppose that that indirectly refers to the Repository section. So 219 00:24:03.520 --> 00:24:10.319 Ralf Koller: it's not the usual. I suppose it's not the usual project that is added from triple.org. 220 00:24:10.590 --> 00:24:11.800 Ralf Koller: But more of 221 00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:13.709 Ralf Koller: yeah. A private one 222 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:15.640 Ralf Koller: with 223 00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:17.560 Ralf Koller: special setup. 224 00:24:24.700 --> 00:24:25.735 benji: So maybe 225 00:24:32.260 --> 00:24:38.789 benji: maybe we can have several short sentences. I gather this is 226 00:24:39.758 --> 00:24:43.840 benji: an unusual situation, so it won't come up very often. 227 00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:50.580 Ralf Koller: That's definitely the edge of the edge cases around those 10. So. 228 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:54.577 benji: So let me 229 00:24:58.371 --> 00:24:59.379 Ralf Koller: The Google, doc? Okay? 230 00:24:59.950 --> 00:25:01.263 benji: Google, Doc, 231 00:25:02.450 --> 00:25:03.583 benji: share this 232 00:25:04.310 --> 00:25:05.780 benji: zoom chat. 233 00:25:10.830 --> 00:25:13.330 benji: So you can type over each other. 234 00:25:16.510 --> 00:25:19.960 Ralf Koller: And request the oops could not send. Try again. 235 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.219 benji: Oh, hello, Karen! You made it. 236 00:25:24.840 --> 00:25:27.540 Ralf Koller: I'm unable to send a request. 237 00:25:27.540 --> 00:25:28.170 Aaron McHale: Yep. 238 00:25:29.830 --> 00:25:30.670 Ralf Koller: Hi! Aaron! 239 00:25:31.620 --> 00:25:33.983 Aaron McHale: I may or may not have lost track of time. 240 00:25:36.070 --> 00:25:38.019 Aaron McHale: Probably did most of them. 241 00:25:40.810 --> 00:25:42.879 benji: Why is this showing up in green. 242 00:25:44.980 --> 00:25:45.580 benji: Yes. 243 00:25:45.580 --> 00:25:47.800 Aaron McHale: Really? Like, green, what. 244 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:51.660 Ralf Koller: The request is in. 245 00:25:54.320 --> 00:25:55.125 benji: Oh, 246 00:25:57.010 --> 00:25:57.949 Aaron McHale: And me too. 247 00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:02.601 benji: I don't be selling. I'm just going to make it 248 00:26:04.840 --> 00:26:06.330 benji: give your 249 00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:08.830 benji: title. 250 00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:10.480 benji: And then 251 00:26:11.530 --> 00:26:13.200 benji: anyone with a link 252 00:26:14.110 --> 00:26:15.930 benji: can edit. 253 00:26:16.550 --> 00:26:17.449 benji: There we go. 254 00:26:28.080 --> 00:26:32.340 benji: Okay. So just for the sake of editing, I'm splitting it up one 255 00:26:32.430 --> 00:26:34.680 benji: in into 3 sentences. 256 00:26:38.790 --> 00:26:40.569 Ralf Koller: Try. Again. Yeah. Exactly. 257 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:42.010 benji: Scott 258 00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:45.939 benji: X that out. Try again in a few minutes. If the problem persists. 259 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.260 benji: Check your sites, composer Dot Json. 260 00:26:59.460 --> 00:27:05.090 benji: I don't like that phrase, but I'll leave it in for the sake of comparison. Comparison. 261 00:27:12.550 --> 00:27:14.180 benji: make sure 262 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:15.700 benji: that 263 00:27:17.650 --> 00:27:19.830 benji: project. Id. 264 00:27:22.350 --> 00:27:23.259 benji: It is 265 00:27:26.170 --> 00:27:27.260 benji: available. 266 00:27:35.370 --> 00:27:36.630 benji: Oh, boy, I'm 267 00:27:37.770 --> 00:27:40.020 benji: maybe worse than usual today. 268 00:27:42.060 --> 00:27:42.750 benji: pardoned 269 00:27:48.560 --> 00:27:50.000 benji: policy. So 270 00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:51.270 benji: for her 271 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.449 benji: see, the logs for 272 00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:00.990 benji: barter 273 00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:03.150 benji: fitment should be 274 00:28:03.330 --> 00:28:04.110 benji: carried 275 00:28:20.390 --> 00:28:25.320 benji: so little longer. I was removing this and then 276 00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:31.429 benji: removing all line breaks so that it's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 short sentences 277 00:28:31.890 --> 00:28:33.240 benji: in a paragraph. 278 00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:34.409 benji: What do you think. 279 00:28:36.430 --> 00:28:37.550 Ralf Koller: One thought. 280 00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:51.530 Ralf Koller: would it make sense to find sentence 3 and 4 and remove check your site's composer. So basically, something like, if the problem persists. Make sure that Project Id 281 00:28:51.970 --> 00:28:52.900 Ralf Koller: is 282 00:28:53.010 --> 00:28:58.260 Ralf Koller: available from at least one reposity in your site's composer, Json. 283 00:29:00.068 --> 00:29:01.910 benji: Yeah, that could work. It's. 284 00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:03.480 Ralf Koller: Longer. 285 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.030 benji: Little bit long, but 286 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.140 benji: I guess the total word count will be 287 00:29:09.620 --> 00:29:11.110 benji: lower if we do that. 288 00:29:44.120 --> 00:29:45.849 Ralf Koller: Was that way. 289 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.000 Ralf Koller: It is clearer and more direct, and 290 00:29:49.090 --> 00:29:54.990 Ralf Koller: contained within a single sentence that the repository refers to basically the composer. Json. 291 00:30:00.990 --> 00:30:02.700 benji: Yeah, that that's about the point. 292 00:30:08.050 --> 00:30:12.480 Aaron McHale: Apologies. I've missed the start, but I'm just wondering who the audience for this message is. 293 00:30:13.780 --> 00:30:15.869 benji: Someone using the project browser. 294 00:30:20.900 --> 00:30:21.460 Aaron McHale: And. 295 00:30:21.460 --> 00:30:25.390 benji: This is an error message that we expect will not come up very often. 296 00:30:27.140 --> 00:30:27.870 Aaron McHale: So 297 00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:32.561 Aaron McHale: I wonder if this is one of those ones where 298 00:30:33.110 --> 00:30:51.470 Aaron McHale: the good challenges like? It's quite possible that somebody who has no idea about like composer. Jeff Json would could see this because, like anybody, abilities in theory. So I'm wondering, like, if this is one of those cases where we can like link to documentation that that can go into more detail, and then we can provide in 299 00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:52.670 Aaron McHale: error 300 00:30:55.410 --> 00:30:56.419 Aaron McHale: and not so. 301 00:30:57.010 --> 00:30:58.330 Ralf Koller: From my understanding. 302 00:30:58.330 --> 00:30:58.930 Aaron McHale: Asked. 303 00:31:00.230 --> 00:31:03.059 Ralf Koller: From my understanding that error message of 304 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.549 Ralf Koller: told Benjy before that error message 305 00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:09.300 Ralf Koller: doesn't show up in any way 306 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:21.940 Ralf Koller: with the regular usage of comp project Browser. That's only the case. If, for example, someone added another source, Plugin, for a private repository, for example. 307 00:31:22.450 --> 00:31:26.579 Ralf Koller: But if you're using just Project browser with d dot. O, 308 00:31:26.620 --> 00:31:30.549 Ralf Koller: then you won't run into that issue and into the error 309 00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:33.059 Ralf Koller: from my understanding. So. 310 00:31:35.110 --> 00:31:39.309 Aaron McHale: Hmm, so it's more of an advanced like, use case. Yeah. 311 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:47.589 benji: Yeah, you know, there, there might be multiple administrators on the site, one of whom is more technical 312 00:31:48.030 --> 00:31:50.349 benji: and another of whom is 313 00:31:50.420 --> 00:31:52.520 benji: more involved in the day-to-day. 314 00:31:55.070 --> 00:32:00.499 benji: oh, although I mean, we are talking about site building right at adding 315 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.080 benji: new modules. 316 00:32:11.110 --> 00:32:20.069 benji: So anyway, I was thinking that you know 1. 1 user might have set up the site with the the Custom Repository and then handed it off to. 317 00:32:20.070 --> 00:32:20.465 Ralf Koller: Okay. 318 00:32:20.860 --> 00:32:23.680 benji: Less technical person to build through 319 00:32:24.290 --> 00:32:26.310 benji: the the Admin ui. 320 00:32:45.870 --> 00:32:51.549 benji: I guess 1 1 advantage of giving a link to documentation is that. 321 00:32:51.870 --> 00:32:56.570 benji: yeah, as people actually run into this error message and and ask for help. 322 00:32:57.250 --> 00:33:04.170 benji: It's a simpler process to update the documentation. You don't need a pull request and 323 00:33:06.360 --> 00:33:08.500 benji: and update the the code. 324 00:33:09.494 --> 00:33:13.049 benji: You just need to update the documentation page. 325 00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:15.340 Aaron McHale: Yeah. 326 00:33:18.190 --> 00:33:21.429 Aaron McHale: I know. That's what we've recommended before. For things that are like. 327 00:33:22.560 --> 00:33:26.556 Aaron McHale: maybe automatic updates was an example for things that are more 328 00:33:27.070 --> 00:33:30.970 Aaron McHale: advance the time. Yeah, it's harder to describe in a error message. 329 00:33:33.170 --> 00:33:37.799 Aaron McHale: We can always go with the classical. Please contact your site. Administrator. 330 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:57.499 benji: So if if we do that, then 331 00:33:58.890 --> 00:34:00.310 benji: it's real short 332 00:34:02.570 --> 00:34:03.790 benji: set out. 333 00:34:04.490 --> 00:34:05.490 benji: This 334 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.090 benji: problem persists 335 00:34:15.620 --> 00:34:16.550 benji: seeing 336 00:34:18.590 --> 00:34:20.509 benji: stop you and 337 00:34:23.650 --> 00:34:25.360 benji: Dave. So 338 00:34:25.900 --> 00:34:26.889 benji: Page 339 00:34:32.250 --> 00:34:33.199 benji: period 340 00:34:51.739 --> 00:34:54.729 benji: sort of feels like we're giving up. But it's maybe 341 00:34:58.620 --> 00:35:01.549 benji: maybe Pre, a pretty reasonable approach. 342 00:35:06.790 --> 00:35:10.479 benji: Just have to decide which documentation page. 343 00:35:13.410 --> 00:35:16.172 Aaron McHale: Yeah, we didn't make that necessarily easier, did we? 344 00:35:25.180 --> 00:35:28.779 benji: Let's look at the homepage for Project Browser. 345 00:35:41.780 --> 00:35:43.930 benji: short documentation. 346 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:01.780 benji: so we could add a troubleshooting. 347 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:02.950 benji: H, 348 00:36:11.780 --> 00:36:16.800 benji: yeah, none. None of these pages are aimed at people using 349 00:36:17.310 --> 00:36:18.810 benji: Project Browser. 350 00:36:19.180 --> 00:36:20.880 benji: except maybe this one. 351 00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:08.079 Ralf Koller: Of the Docs page would have be, have to be specific for this 352 00:37:08.170 --> 00:37:09.580 Ralf Koller: particular problem. 353 00:38:07.750 --> 00:38:09.142 benji: be one of you 354 00:38:11.090 --> 00:38:12.840 benji: combined the previous 355 00:38:13.770 --> 00:38:15.260 benji: version tools 356 00:38:15.610 --> 00:38:17.010 benji: one paragraph. 357 00:39:06.250 --> 00:39:07.040 benji: So 358 00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:11.031 benji: we have 2 proposals here. 359 00:39:12.180 --> 00:39:13.630 benji: shall we pick one of them. 360 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:25.449 Ralf Koller: But for me. 361 00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:32.410 Ralf Koller: if the problem persists and see project Browser, troubleshooting troubleshooting 362 00:39:33.680 --> 00:39:35.240 Ralf Koller: is sort of 363 00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:41.530 Ralf Koller: unspecific except the troubleshooting page would be specific for that very 364 00:39:41.740 --> 00:39:42.750 Ralf Koller: problem. 365 00:39:42.930 --> 00:39:43.990 Ralf Koller: and 366 00:39:45.070 --> 00:39:46.480 Ralf Koller: if there are more 367 00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:55.360 Ralf Koller: different cases by the time on the troubleshooting page, it might be confusing, so either 368 00:39:56.300 --> 00:39:58.150 Ralf Koller: one way might be. 369 00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:13.210 Ralf Koller: make an addition to if the problem persists. See project browser troubleshooting. Maybe if the problem persists, see the log files for more information and consult or see project Browser troubleshooting afterwards afterwards something like that. 370 00:40:14.780 --> 00:40:15.840 Ralf Koller: so that 371 00:40:15.940 --> 00:40:21.929 Ralf Koller: there is some more context about the problem that you are able to distinguish what is be 372 00:40:22.230 --> 00:40:24.920 Ralf Koller: could be found on that troubleshooting page. 373 00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:29.011 benji: So 1st of all, the 374 00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:31.390 benji: troubleshooting page 375 00:40:32.430 --> 00:40:33.610 benji: can 376 00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:40.500 benji: and have several sections. And and 377 00:40:41.100 --> 00:40:47.239 benji: we could include a an anchor in the link, so that you actually do go to 378 00:40:47.270 --> 00:40:50.139 benji: the right section on on the troubleshooting page. 379 00:40:50.991 --> 00:40:53.590 benji: I'm not going to save this. But 380 00:40:58.390 --> 00:40:59.080 benji: Hello! 381 00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:01.830 benji: I continue to type very Bethlehem. 382 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:13.490 benji: so, secondly, what? Once we have a link to this external documentation page. 383 00:41:13.560 --> 00:41:16.700 benji: that page can advise them 384 00:41:16.910 --> 00:41:18.000 benji: to 385 00:41:18.080 --> 00:41:19.740 benji: look at the logs 386 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:23.250 benji: have an example of what to look for. 387 00:41:24.990 --> 00:41:29.519 benji: and I think it's actually redundant to include 388 00:41:29.580 --> 00:41:30.949 benji: check the logs 389 00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:33.709 benji: in the error message. 390 00:41:41.390 --> 00:41:44.950 Ralf Koller: If you're pointed to the correct section, then I agree. Yet. 391 00:42:27.410 --> 00:42:28.920 benji: And then we can 392 00:42:29.060 --> 00:42:32.551 benji: add other sections to the troubleshooting page. 393 00:42:34.690 --> 00:42:37.359 benji: yeah, it's it's very easy to update it. 394 00:42:41.230 --> 00:42:42.520 Ralf Koller: just one 395 00:42:42.650 --> 00:42:43.980 Ralf Koller: question. 396 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:52.169 Ralf Koller: I remember it should be avoided to use the term drupal 397 00:42:52.710 --> 00:42:54.230 Ralf Koller: within any 398 00:42:54.690 --> 00:42:57.586 Ralf Koller: interface copy, micro copy. 399 00:42:59.630 --> 00:43:04.150 Ralf Koller: But is it okay to link to troubles.org it 400 00:43:05.120 --> 00:43:08.430 Ralf Koller: usually cause. Then, okay, then, okay. 401 00:43:09.470 --> 00:43:11.219 Ralf Koller: was just a bit unsure 402 00:43:11.450 --> 00:43:12.539 Ralf Koller: for a second. 403 00:43:14.770 --> 00:43:15.830 Ralf Koller: Yeah, then, yeah. 404 00:43:47.230 --> 00:43:49.600 Ralf Koller: depending on how easy it is 405 00:43:49.640 --> 00:43:52.717 Ralf Koller: to write up the troubleshooting section. 406 00:43:54.600 --> 00:43:56.090 Ralf Koller: I think I would vote. 407 00:43:56.500 --> 00:43:57.410 Ralf Koller: Was it 408 00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:04.079 Ralf Koller: proposal of yours, then, with C Project Browser troubleshooting 409 00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:05.400 Ralf Koller: because it's 410 00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:06.830 Ralf Koller: shorter 411 00:44:07.030 --> 00:44:09.429 Ralf Koller: and less technical. 412 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:15.180 benji: And take. 413 00:44:17.110 --> 00:44:20.760 benji: So I will leave this Google Doc up for 414 00:44:20.790 --> 00:44:22.210 benji: as long as we need 415 00:44:25.550 --> 00:44:27.469 benji: Will will you post that comment? 416 00:44:28.250 --> 00:44:31.320 Ralf Koller: Yeah. But just one other question. 417 00:44:37.850 --> 00:44:39.860 Ralf Koller: the if you go to. 418 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.401 Ralf Koller: could you switch back to the issue? Tab, please 419 00:44:47.310 --> 00:44:49.629 Ralf Koller: in comment number 15. 420 00:44:51.130 --> 00:45:01.689 Ralf Koller: That is basically the current state where most of it, we could quickly go through it. Because the point is, if you take a look at error message number one. 421 00:45:03.240 --> 00:45:12.050 Ralf Koller: A staging area cannot be unlocked while another module is being added. Try again in a few minutes and come error. Message number 10. 422 00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:21.550 Ralf Koller: Cause. 423 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:26.419 Ralf Koller: If you now look in comment number 20 424 00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:49.989 Ralf Koller: there, Chris explains the difference. The difference between one and 10 is what actions causes them in one. The use. The user is requesting an unlock of the staging area. But we're saying, No, we can't unlock it while the module is being installed in 10. The user is requesting to install a module. But we're saying we can't install a module while the module is being installed. 425 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.870 benji: Yeah, I see your point. 426 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:12.449 benji: so sometimes that's referred to as a difference without a distinction. Or maybe it's the other way around 427 00:46:15.600 --> 00:46:18.589 benji: from the user's point of view. I'm 428 00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:25.600 benji: I as a user of the project Browser, never think that I am requesting to unlock the staging area. 429 00:46:27.390 --> 00:46:28.730 benji: unless there's a pretty 430 00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:33.820 benji: unless there's a particular button. 431 00:46:34.560 --> 00:46:37.310 benji: Oh, and and maybe this is what it is it? 432 00:46:39.430 --> 00:46:41.849 benji: If the staging area is locked. 433 00:46:42.720 --> 00:46:46.830 benji: I I think there's a link to break the lock. 434 00:46:53.070 --> 00:46:56.409 benji: Like you try to install a module. It says, Yeah. 435 00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:06.600 benji: sorry I'm I'm busy. I'm installing another module, and you try again in few minutes, and you get the same error message at that point. I think you you get an option to. 436 00:47:06.600 --> 00:47:12.150 Ralf Koller: No if you take a look in again to comment. Number 15. 437 00:47:12.972 --> 00:47:16.270 Ralf Koller: I remember one and 10 don't have analog. 438 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.880 Ralf Koller: If you take a look at message number, for example, 6. 439 00:47:21.100 --> 00:47:27.119 Ralf Koller: There you have, for example, the use, unlock, link, unlock, link to unlock the staging area. 440 00:47:27.750 --> 00:47:31.179 Ralf Koller: So for message number one and 10. It isn't intended. 441 00:47:40.010 --> 00:47:44.260 Ralf Koller: It's just in the process, it is so it isn't 442 00:47:44.420 --> 00:47:45.240 Ralf Koller: stuck. 443 00:47:46.530 --> 00:47:49.210 Ralf Koller: It's just a race condition, and therefore 444 00:47:50.210 --> 00:47:51.470 Ralf Koller: not ready yet. 445 00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:55.499 benji: Okay. So Ne neither one nor 10 446 00:47:56.120 --> 00:47:58.340 benji: comes after going through 447 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.019 benji: number 6. 448 00:48:06.670 --> 00:48:09.449 Ralf Koller: I suppose those are totally different cases. 449 00:48:29.020 --> 00:48:34.249 benji: I I guess my reading of of comment 20, is that 450 00:48:35.450 --> 00:48:40.219 benji: in number one, the U user is requesting an unlock of the staging area. 451 00:48:40.310 --> 00:48:44.850 benji: I assume that means that they clicked the link in message number 6. 452 00:48:54.390 --> 00:48:55.370 Ralf Koller: Okay. 453 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:17.380 Ralf Koller: one second. I just quickly consolidate the comments, and 454 00:49:17.670 --> 00:49:20.380 Ralf Koller: that we can just quickly go through 455 00:49:28.540 --> 00:49:29.410 Ralf Koller: that just 456 00:49:29.980 --> 00:49:30.900 Ralf Koller: one. 457 00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:40.750 Ralf Koller: 2, 458 00:49:44.770 --> 00:49:46.520 Ralf Koller: 3 would be 459 00:49:52.990 --> 00:49:54.270 Ralf Koller: the thing we had. 460 00:49:58.170 --> 00:50:00.000 Ralf Koller: or 5 461 00:50:10.080 --> 00:50:12.279 benji: I I'm not sure what you're doing at this point. 462 00:50:13.131 --> 00:50:16.950 Ralf Koller: I just wanted that. We see all the error message 463 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:19.920 Ralf Koller: at once. 464 00:50:20.190 --> 00:50:24.080 Ralf Koller: The current state that we could just take a final look and. 465 00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:27.251 benji: Oh, so I should switch back to this tab the Google. 466 00:50:27.860 --> 00:50:28.720 Ralf Koller: Oh, sorry! 467 00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:30.010 benji: Okay. 468 00:50:39.510 --> 00:50:42.240 benji: Google identifies you as anonymous anteater. 469 00:50:43.150 --> 00:50:44.030 Ralf Koller: Oh, okay. 470 00:50:46.470 --> 00:50:48.680 Aaron McHale: That's what we call wordsmithing now 471 00:50:48.830 --> 00:50:50.149 Aaron McHale: and eaten. 472 00:50:52.640 --> 00:50:54.731 Aaron McHale: Why is it the ant eating. 473 00:51:00.980 --> 00:51:01.925 Ralf Koller: Alright 474 00:51:03.850 --> 00:51:05.820 Ralf Koller: those comments. 475 00:51:08.330 --> 00:51:11.250 Ralf Koller: those changes are based from, the user. Yeah. 476 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:13.589 Ralf Koller: Back. Then, we've 477 00:51:13.610 --> 00:51:15.630 Ralf Koller: try to remove staging area 478 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:25.979 Ralf Koller: and therefore switched from the stage. Staging error cannot be unlocked while another module is being added. Try again in a few minutes. To another module is being added. Try again in a few minutes. 479 00:51:26.530 --> 00:51:27.230 Ralf Koller: red. 480 00:51:28.540 --> 00:51:31.390 Ralf Koller: and the second is system 481 00:51:32.570 --> 00:51:37.300 Ralf Koller: system ready. You can add a new module again, or project browser ready. 482 00:51:45.120 --> 00:51:47.059 Ralf Koller: Should we go with project browser 483 00:51:48.580 --> 00:51:50.680 Ralf Koller: cause system sounds odd 484 00:51:51.160 --> 00:51:52.120 Ralf Koller: to be honest. 485 00:51:52.615 --> 00:51:55.969 benji: Hang on a second, so let me in a window that 486 00:51:56.500 --> 00:51:58.460 benji: you won't be able to see 487 00:52:08.180 --> 00:52:11.519 benji: I'm adding the project browser to my code base. 488 00:52:21.380 --> 00:52:23.140 benji: enabling module. 489 00:52:24.350 --> 00:52:25.910 benji: And then. 490 00:52:30.190 --> 00:52:31.850 benji: yes, this is the 491 00:52:35.010 --> 00:52:38.750 benji: site I spun up earlier today. I'll give you the link. 492 00:52:39.710 --> 00:52:40.970 benji: Zoom chat 493 00:52:44.965 --> 00:52:52.470 benji: so if we go to, I'm already on the extend page. If I just reload, I should get the browser. 494 00:52:53.310 --> 00:52:57.939 benji: So the tab is labeled Browse. It's not labeled project. Browser. 495 00:52:59.710 --> 00:53:02.539 benji: Page title is browse projects. 496 00:53:05.700 --> 00:53:10.100 benji: I see Project Browser in this status message. 497 00:53:11.343 --> 00:53:12.569 benji: But that's 498 00:53:13.780 --> 00:53:16.270 benji: presumably temporary. That 499 00:53:17.100 --> 00:53:19.529 benji: that's not a long term 500 00:53:19.670 --> 00:53:21.609 benji: part of the user interface. 501 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:26.970 benji: possibly this 502 00:53:27.330 --> 00:53:28.780 benji: second one. 503 00:53:30.510 --> 00:53:34.229 benji: I think that's really temporary, too. So anyway, my my point is. 504 00:53:34.690 --> 00:53:36.669 benji: Project Browser is not 505 00:53:37.060 --> 00:53:40.409 benji: something that I see in the user interface. 506 00:53:40.712 --> 00:53:43.860 benji: So I don't think it should be part of the error message. 507 00:53:46.755 --> 00:53:47.330 Ralf Koller: Great. 508 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.569 benji: So it it's sort of the same principle that we we don't use drupal 509 00:53:51.650 --> 00:53:53.920 benji: in the user interface. 510 00:53:55.540 --> 00:53:59.420 Ralf Koller: But still system ready, then also still 511 00:54:00.210 --> 00:54:02.540 Ralf Koller: sounds off, and unusual. 512 00:54:07.850 --> 00:54:09.830 benji: This is again number 2. 513 00:54:18.190 --> 00:54:19.570 Ralf Koller: The original 514 00:54:20.700 --> 00:54:25.589 Ralf Koller: string was, the staging area has been unlocked, new modules can be added again. 515 00:54:35.330 --> 00:54:38.909 benji: And presumably you'll see message number 2 516 00:54:39.140 --> 00:54:42.060 benji: after you've already seen message number one. 517 00:54:43.370 --> 00:54:47.070 benji: Seen message number one. You wait a few minutes. You try again. 518 00:54:50.200 --> 00:54:50.940 benji: or 519 00:54:52.070 --> 00:54:56.880 benji: or maybe message number 2 pops up on its on its own without you have to do anything. 520 00:54:57.130 --> 00:54:57.710 benji: Yep. 521 00:54:57.710 --> 00:55:00.280 Ralf Koller: I think that is also a possibility. 522 00:55:05.670 --> 00:55:10.999 benji: Okay. Instead of system ready? Maybe we could say 523 00:55:12.328 --> 00:55:15.359 benji: something like operation complete 524 00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:16.410 benji: or 525 00:55:19.180 --> 00:55:21.350 benji: other modules. Modules 526 00:55:23.580 --> 00:55:25.319 benji: been been added. 527 00:55:44.570 --> 00:55:45.760 Ralf Koller: How about 528 00:55:48.140 --> 00:55:49.660 Ralf Koller: just simply 529 00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:52.720 Ralf Koller: new new modules can be added again. 530 00:56:00.290 --> 00:56:02.790 benji: That would just be nothing. 531 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.349 benji: Instead of saying, system ready, it's just 532 00:56:05.570 --> 00:56:06.830 benji: skip to the 533 00:56:07.110 --> 00:56:09.249 benji: yeah rest of the sentence. 534 00:56:20.590 --> 00:56:21.840 Ralf Koller: Or about. 535 00:56:37.290 --> 00:56:39.209 Ralf Koller: add process finished. 536 00:56:40.430 --> 00:56:41.820 Ralf Koller: Something like that. 537 00:56:47.260 --> 00:56:48.910 benji: I'm sorry. What? What? Finished. 538 00:56:48.910 --> 00:56:53.800 Ralf Koller: The the admin. Yeah. But Ed process isn't. It doesn't say anything in in yeah. 539 00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:57.740 Ralf Koller: And technically, the 540 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:01.729 Ralf Koller: the original term was, the staging area has been unlocked. 541 00:57:43.020 --> 00:57:43.930 Ralf Koller: and 542 00:57:45.820 --> 00:57:51.830 Ralf Koller: talking of the point, Project Browser ready if you take a look at message number 5, 543 00:57:52.850 --> 00:57:55.659 Ralf Koller: their project Browser is used as well. 544 00:58:05.030 --> 00:58:07.219 benji: Was, that our our recommendation, or. 545 00:58:10.170 --> 00:58:12.309 benji: That's what says the staging area. 546 00:58:15.490 --> 00:58:25.891 Ralf Koller: Back then where we started to trying to remove staging area. I guess we got only to the 1st 2 cause. The discussion went long and long and long. 547 00:58:26.940 --> 00:58:27.980 Ralf Koller: And 548 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:38.429 Ralf Koller: yeah, then we've ended course back. Then we came no to no real conclusion from message number 3 with the problem of composer, Jason, which was even more tricky. 549 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:40.210 Ralf Koller: And 550 00:58:41.180 --> 00:58:42.150 Ralf Koller: yeah. 551 00:58:44.590 --> 00:58:56.890 Ralf Koller: and yeah, from my perspective, I was still okayish with staging area. And therefore I forgot about it. Yeah. But that would have to be adjusted. If we are removing staging area from the 1st 2, 552 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.180 Ralf Koller: then it would be be required for the rest as well. 553 00:59:17.470 --> 00:59:20.409 Ralf Koller: But for me, with with that staging area 554 00:59:20.670 --> 00:59:23.090 Ralf Koller: avoided or removed. 555 00:59:24.040 --> 00:59:26.809 Ralf Koller: most of the messages become unspecific 556 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:27.859 Ralf Koller: sort of. 557 00:59:32.650 --> 00:59:33.055 benji: Well. 558 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:38.829 benji: yeah, again, the criterion is, we have to describe the situation 559 00:59:39.330 --> 00:59:41.439 benji: in terms the user will understand 560 00:59:42.240 --> 00:59:44.319 benji: and tell them what to do next. 561 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:50.250 benji: So, for example, in Number 6, 562 00:59:50.570 --> 00:59:51.750 benji: where 563 00:59:52.230 --> 00:59:53.849 benji: giving them this link. 564 00:59:55.481 --> 01:00:01.960 benji: so that's that's the second part, right? Click this link that that's how to fix the situation 565 01:00:03.391 --> 01:00:09.209 benji: and and the challenges, the 1st part describing the issue 566 01:00:10.980 --> 01:00:13.670 benji: in in terms that make sense to the user. 567 01:00:14.370 --> 01:00:17.660 Ralf Koller: Yeah, but also bridging the gap to the second sentence. 568 01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:21.330 Ralf Koller: also to make sense. Why, you need to unlock something. If you. 569 01:00:21.390 --> 01:00:25.570 Ralf Koller: before that, avoid anything related to an area that could be locked. 570 01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:33.880 Ralf Koller: But it's also tricky. Then. 571 01:00:35.830 --> 01:00:39.659 benji: Ye? Yeah. So for Number 6, I would say something like 572 01:00:47.470 --> 01:00:48.750 benji: Another 573 01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:50.730 benji: module 574 01:00:52.240 --> 01:00:54.609 benji: was being added. 575 01:00:55.750 --> 01:00:58.399 benji: but that process stalled. 576 01:01:04.900 --> 01:01:06.409 benji: use this link. 577 01:01:06.600 --> 01:01:08.630 benji: and and try again. 578 01:01:10.530 --> 01:01:17.449 Ralf Koller: Not necessarily another module. It could be also in the, in the current process that the current staging area. 579 01:01:18.010 --> 01:01:19.779 Ralf Koller: the process you are in. 580 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:25.140 benji: Okay. 581 01:01:25.140 --> 01:01:27.619 Ralf Koller: Could have been locked. And then the lock. 582 01:01:30.310 --> 01:01:31.759 Ralf Koller: Let's look at this biot 583 01:02:02.190 --> 01:02:03.110 Ralf Koller: gross. 584 01:02:03.510 --> 01:02:05.759 Ralf Koller: Those sentences are really tricky. 585 01:02:31.600 --> 01:02:33.870 benji: Well, there's already number 4. 586 01:02:34.490 --> 01:02:39.360 benji: A suggestion to a documentation page is, is that an existing page? Or is that 587 01:02:41.688 --> 01:02:44.270 benji: something that that needs to be added. 588 01:02:55.070 --> 01:02:59.100 benji: and we are getting close to the end of the hour. We have to wrap this up. 589 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:02.149 benji: So I think we've made some progress 590 01:03:02.740 --> 01:03:06.110 benji: like we have a firm recommendation for number 3. 591 01:03:06.110 --> 01:03:06.620 Ralf Koller: Yep. 592 01:03:06.944 --> 01:03:09.860 benji: And we. We have to add that documentation page. 593 01:03:11.370 --> 01:03:13.800 benji: it. It might make sense to list 594 01:03:14.532 --> 01:03:16.279 benji: more details, for 595 01:03:17.020 --> 01:03:20.429 benji: most are all of these error messages. 596 01:03:21.330 --> 01:03:24.989 benji: and probably the exercise of writing that 597 01:03:25.110 --> 01:03:27.539 benji: documentation page will make the 598 01:03:28.561 --> 01:03:32.009 benji: the job of writing the error messages easier. 599 01:03:36.410 --> 01:03:40.329 Ralf Koller: maybe let's keep that page open and 600 01:03:41.443 --> 01:03:43.359 Ralf Koller: I'll comment on the issue. 601 01:03:43.780 --> 01:03:45.080 Ralf Koller: And 602 01:03:45.520 --> 01:03:47.690 Ralf Koller: I say that basically. 603 01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.330 Ralf Koller: folks in particular, Chris, should 604 01:03:50.420 --> 01:03:51.500 Ralf Koller: comment 605 01:03:52.230 --> 01:03:53.830 Ralf Koller: on the different 606 01:03:55.290 --> 01:03:57.840 Ralf Koller: error messages on the Google Doc. 607 01:03:58.890 --> 01:04:03.550 Ralf Koller: because on the issue itself, yeah, as you could have seen. 608 01:04:04.423 --> 01:04:15.770 Ralf Koller: I haven't prepared for today. I just remembered that I thought it would be just a single sentence we would need to go through. But yeah, as it turned out, yeah, it's a patchwork 609 01:04:15.850 --> 01:04:18.779 Ralf Koller: across different comments. And that way 610 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.959 Ralf Koller: it's confusing and having everything on a single page 611 01:04:23.750 --> 01:04:27.699 Ralf Koller: and commenting in there might be beneficial and speed things up. 612 01:04:27.950 --> 01:04:28.980 benji: Okay. Sure. 613 01:04:29.130 --> 01:04:33.419 Ralf Koller: And I think Chris knows the backgrounds. The technical backgrounds. 614 01:04:33.860 --> 01:04:35.739 Ralf Koller: each of those messages best. 615 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.649 Ralf Koller: so he could provide insights there as well. 616 01:04:40.600 --> 01:04:45.269 benji: Okay, and it it is the top of the hour. So let's let's end there. 617 01:04:46.010 --> 01:04:46.560 Ralf Koller: Yep. 618 01:04:46.770 --> 01:04:48.362 benji: Thanks for coming, and 619 01:04:49.330 --> 01:04:55.739 benji: we'll be back next week, although it will be sort of a holiday in the Us. But I guess that 620 01:04:55.850 --> 01:04:57.830 benji: I'm the only one affected by that. 621 01:04:58.980 --> 01:04:59.990 Aaron McHale: Thanks, both. 622 01:05:00.990 --> 01:05:03.679 Ralf Koller: Okay, have a nice weekend. Everyone. 623 01:05:04.250 --> 01:05:05.160 Aaron McHale: Hmm. 624 01:05:06.110 --> 01:05:06.889 Ralf Koller: By the way, aye.