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this is just really bad as far as not reflecting the D7 image in core functionality - needs updating asap http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/image (this page should be the main module page, rest should go under it, move that page's content into a new one)
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Comment #1
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedtags
Comment #2
davidthomas CreditAttribution: davidthomas commentedAs a new Drupal user coming in with the release of D7 I find that I can NOT find how to add images to pages such that I can mix them with text, etc. I tried WYSIWYG with CKeditor and looks good in edit but images and formatting disappear in view. I am getting frustrated fast....
Comment #3
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedYes, we know the Drupal 7 docs aren't complete and this is one of the areas that needs a fair amount of work yet. But there aren't a lot of people working on core documentation, so please bear with us (and if you figure things out, help document!). Thanks.
Comment #4
davidthomas CreditAttribution: davidthomas commentedI would be happy to document but have yet to discover the answer to my problem. At http://drupal.org/node/1040446 I found some info about how to get CKeditor working well.
But I end up with the same issue of seeing my images in editor mode , but in view the content is rendered like in "view source", not as html. See example at:
http://learningdrupal7.info/comment/11#comment-11 where I am attempting to document the whole ball of wax and not making a lot of progress at the moment.
Thanks and Best Regards,
David
Comment #5
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedHi David - looks like you figured it out (probably an issue with input formats and filters stripping out the images or not displaying them). If you need further support, please file a support request in the issue queue for WYSIWYG or Image module (whichever is most appropriate) or ask for help on IRC http://drupal.org/irc - thanks!
Comment #6
mgiffordThis is an important issue to document right to ensure that people are reminded about the need for alt tags.
We definitely need to start with a new document starting with Drupal 7's image handling that is simple & allows people to grasp the basics before exposing them to all of the variations to extend what comes with core.
Comment #7
Barry Madore CreditAttribution: Barry Madore commentedI've begun the process of updating this section. As a start I created a new page http://drupal.org/node/1089776 designed to serve as the official documentation for the D7 core Image module. This should eventually be the page you are directed to by the URL documentation/modules/image. Currently that URL is associated with current documentation for the contributed Image module for D4-D6 (with a mass of child pages about related modules).
So, two modules with the same namespace. But the D7 Image module is not technically the same module, not an upgrade of, the D4-D6 contributed module.
Do we consider the D7 Image module to the be the official owner of the Image module name and therefore deserves its own separate documentation page? Or should the page at documentation/modules/image contain basic information about both modules (multiple versions) and have separate child pages that delve into the details of working with each?
I guess I'm leaning in the direction of having documentation/modules/image be the official page for the D7 module (which currently owns the namespace, right?) but mention the contributed module (versions) and link to a child section containing the current page with its child pages about image manipulation pre-D7. Right now node/1089776 exists as an incomplete documentation of the D7 module. It just contains a preliminary description of the module.
I'm willing to move forward in the direction that makes the most sense to everyone. Whaddya think?
Comment #8
Barry Madore CreditAttribution: Barry Madore commentedClarification: the current node that includes D4-D6 Image module documentation is http://drupal.org/node/22395
Comment #9
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedbmadore - i agree that the main module landing page should be the D7 core module one. we can stick a link at the top for people looking for info on the old d6 contrib version. thanks!
Comment #10
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedrelated issue: #1105852: Working with the Image module (orphaned node)
Comment #11
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedoh look #1105852: Working with the Image module (orphaned node) silverwing found a D7 image module page!
Comment #12
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedtag
Comment #13
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedhi ownsourcing - i know you started doing some work on here earlier - just wanted to say as i caught your note about http://drupal.org/node/1089776 on IRC later, that it's (unfortunately) probably best to delete that page. we actually want to avoid separating the info by version as much as possible. so any pages should have the structure of:
- Title
- Body
- Intro and info that applies to most versions
- D7 specific info
- D6 specific info
- Resources
So if there are pages that need D7 info, it should be added to those pages. And also as noted on the original issue post, http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/image should become the main page for d7 image/field info and should be formatted like drupal.org/documentation/modules/field-ui
Sorry I should have started a few steps back with the instructions, hope that helps!
Comment #14
kay_v CreditAttribution: kay_v commentedjust starting to work on this - collaboration welcomed! (best to reach me via the contact page)
I've posted a basic description of default image handling in Drupal 7 at http://drupal.org/node/1089776 - let me know of any feedback on this bare beginning.
Obviously image handling is a big topic that covers a lot of territory. There are fragments of good documentation scattered around d.o that can be incorporated. I'll clean up my initial notes and share them.
Comment #15
kay_v CreditAttribution: kay_v commentedHi Arianek
Understood - just saw your note (after posting update in #14 - guess it's late); will make modifications per your suggestions.
Thanks!
Kay V (aka ownsourcing)
Comment #16
kay_v CreditAttribution: kay_v commented@Arianek,
I don't seem to have permission to delete http://drupal.org/node/1089776, but I've given a first stab at reorganizing/incorporating per #13.
It's possibly worth noting before you delete it that among the revisions, node/1089776 included several previous versions of some brief/incomplete documentation.
There are a number of version-specific pages that still need to be incorporated.
Comment #17
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedSure thing - just let me know when it's ready to be deleted and I can do it. Thanks!
Comment #18
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedtag
Comment #19
batigolixbattle plan:
1. merge the information on:
- http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image
- http://drupal.org/node/1089776
- http://drupal.org/node/895548
- http://drupal.org/node/528074
(also make sure to include the info in the core help text covering images)
note: merging implies deleting the pages whose content was merged into another page
2. move D6 and earlier instructions to child under http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image (with decent references in main article)
3. restructure other child pages (see if they go under D6, maybe delete some outdated info)
4. rewrite, improve, complement http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image
the hardest part i guess. i ll need to dice in D7 and actually learn (yikes) how image stuff works nowadays ;)
I think I can do step 1,2 & 3 this week and do 4 during the coming weeks ...
let me know if you disagree with the approach
Comment #20
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedthis sounds pretty on the mark to me - i can review the new D7 docs if you get stuck, i helped test the image handling in core patches, so i have a bit of familiarity with what's in there (though it was a long time ago now!)
Comment #21
batigolix3 page containing D7 info are merged:
http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image
http://drupal.org/node/895548
http://drupal.org/node/1089776
afaik these can now be deleted:
http://drupal.org/node/895548
http://drupal.org/node/1089776
im working on moving all D6 info to:
http://drupal.org/node/528074
Comment #22
batigolixsomeone, hopefully not me, has to move all the children of http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image under http://drupal.org/node/528074
Comment #23
batigolixactually, what I say in #22 is not true
someone, probably me, has to figure out which of the children are D6 only , before moving them ... :(
Comment #24
batigolixall D6 info now moved to http://drupal.org/node/528074
a poor soul, hopefully not but probably me, should now figure which of the info on that page is still valid for D7 and then move it back :'(
other todos:
* review http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image
* http://drupal.org/node/528074
* manage (move, remove) children of both pages
Comment #25
batigolix* all D6 related children of http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image were moved to http://drupal.org/node/528074
* there were no child pages that contained D7 information (all child pages were related to the image module which wont have a D7 release)
* some child pages werent very informative, so another round of reviewing all child pages is necessary
* the book structure under http://drupal.org/node/528074 is now quite a mess, so a lot of work remains in sorting it out
* the comment on http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image can be rolled
Comment #26
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedooh boy, you were busy! i'll try and get through these this week, to delete the pages, review, etc. :)
Comment #27
batigolixreview http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image is done
@arianek please review it as well as I'm very good in overlooking my own typos and other errors
although i think i covered all image functionality in D7 (image field settings could have been covered in more detail), i think he page could use technical review as well
Comment #28
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedJust reviewed http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image and made a few tiny tweaks - really great docs, thanks so much for writing those up!! :) Will peruse the other pages next.
Comment #29
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commenteddeleted node/1089776, node/895548, and added redirects for both to /documentation/modules/image
now, the question of what to do with all those subpages... i am thinking that they are a little hidden under d6, and indeed i'm not sure we want to weed through all those contrib tutorials at the moment. so perhaps it'd be best to move those into their own little section so that it goes:
- Media and Files
-- Working with files in Drupal 6
-- Working with files in Drupal 7
-- Working with images (Drupal 7)
-- Working with images (Drupal 6)
-- Advanced image handling <--dump them all under this?
Thoughts? I know it's a bit messy having 5 pages on the same level for just field + image, but... can't come up with something better at the moment that isn't super labour intensive! I'm happy to move them all in the admin interface.
Comment #30
batigolixI think your proposal for the restructuring in #29 is okay.
When they are placed in that new location we can review those subpages one by one.
Comment #31
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedI just nearly got this done, but I can't load the book outline management pages (at least not on the conf wifi)! It's next on my list though...
Comment #32
arianek CreditAttribution: arianek commentedFinally rearranged all of this, boy that was a bit gnarly. Double and triple checked that I didn't mess up the hierarchies, etc. http://drupal.org/node/627244 now is ordered as in comment #29.
Comment #33
mgiffordA bunch has changed since 2011. I'm going to mark this as closed but feel free to re-open.
https://drupal.org/node/22395/revisions/view/1740966/6840653