this is just really bad as far as not reflecting the D7 image in core functionality - needs updating asap http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/image (this page should be the main module page, rest should go under it, move that page's content into a new one)

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arianek’s picture

Issue tags: +d7docs

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davidthomas’s picture

As a new Drupal user coming in with the release of D7 I find that I can NOT find how to add images to pages such that I can mix them with text, etc. I tried WYSIWYG with CKeditor and looks good in edit but images and formatting disappear in view. I am getting frustrated fast....

arianek’s picture

Yes, we know the Drupal 7 docs aren't complete and this is one of the areas that needs a fair amount of work yet. But there aren't a lot of people working on core documentation, so please bear with us (and if you figure things out, help document!). Thanks.

davidthomas’s picture

I would be happy to document but have yet to discover the answer to my problem. At http://drupal.org/node/1040446 I found some info about how to get CKeditor working well.
But I end up with the same issue of seeing my images in editor mode , but in view the content is rendered like in "view source", not as html. See example at:
http://learningdrupal7.info/comment/11#comment-11 where I am attempting to document the whole ball of wax and not making a lot of progress at the moment.
Thanks and Best Regards,
David

arianek’s picture

Hi David - looks like you figured it out (probably an issue with input formats and filters stripping out the images or not displaying them). If you need further support, please file a support request in the issue queue for WYSIWYG or Image module (whichever is most appropriate) or ask for help on IRC http://drupal.org/irc - thanks!

mgifford’s picture

Issue tags: +Accessibility

This is an important issue to document right to ensure that people are reminded about the need for alt tags.

We definitely need to start with a new document starting with Drupal 7's image handling that is simple & allows people to grasp the basics before exposing them to all of the variations to extend what comes with core.

Barry Madore’s picture

I've begun the process of updating this section. As a start I created a new page http://drupal.org/node/1089776 designed to serve as the official documentation for the D7 core Image module. This should eventually be the page you are directed to by the URL documentation/modules/image. Currently that URL is associated with current documentation for the contributed Image module for D4-D6 (with a mass of child pages about related modules).

So, two modules with the same namespace. But the D7 Image module is not technically the same module, not an upgrade of, the D4-D6 contributed module.

Do we consider the D7 Image module to the be the official owner of the Image module name and therefore deserves its own separate documentation page? Or should the page at documentation/modules/image contain basic information about both modules (multiple versions) and have separate child pages that delve into the details of working with each?

I guess I'm leaning in the direction of having documentation/modules/image be the official page for the D7 module (which currently owns the namespace, right?) but mention the contributed module (versions) and link to a child section containing the current page with its child pages about image manipulation pre-D7. Right now node/1089776 exists as an incomplete documentation of the D7 module. It just contains a preliminary description of the module.

I'm willing to move forward in the direction that makes the most sense to everyone. Whaddya think?

Barry Madore’s picture

Clarification: the current node that includes D4-D6 Image module documentation is http://drupal.org/node/22395

arianek’s picture

bmadore - i agree that the main module landing page should be the D7 core module one. we can stick a link at the top for people looking for info on the old d6 contrib version. thanks!

arianek’s picture

arianek’s picture

oh look #1105852: Working with the Image module (orphaned node) silverwing found a D7 image module page!

arianek’s picture

Issue tags: +Sprint: May 2011

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arianek’s picture

hi ownsourcing - i know you started doing some work on here earlier - just wanted to say as i caught your note about http://drupal.org/node/1089776 on IRC later, that it's (unfortunately) probably best to delete that page. we actually want to avoid separating the info by version as much as possible. so any pages should have the structure of:

- Title
- Body
- Intro and info that applies to most versions
- D7 specific info
- D6 specific info
- Resources

So if there are pages that need D7 info, it should be added to those pages. And also as noted on the original issue post, http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/image should become the main page for d7 image/field info and should be formatted like drupal.org/documentation/modules/field-ui

Sorry I should have started a few steps back with the instructions, hope that helps!

kay_v’s picture

just starting to work on this - collaboration welcomed! (best to reach me via the contact page)

I've posted a basic description of default image handling in Drupal 7 at http://drupal.org/node/1089776 - let me know of any feedback on this bare beginning.

Obviously image handling is a big topic that covers a lot of territory. There are fragments of good documentation scattered around d.o that can be incorporated. I'll clean up my initial notes and share them.

kay_v’s picture

Hi Arianek

Understood - just saw your note (after posting update in #14 - guess it's late); will make modifications per your suggestions.

Thanks!

Kay V (aka ownsourcing)

kay_v’s picture

@Arianek,

I don't seem to have permission to delete http://drupal.org/node/1089776, but I've given a first stab at reorganizing/incorporating per #13.

It's possibly worth noting before you delete it that among the revisions, node/1089776 included several previous versions of some brief/incomplete documentation.

There are a number of version-specific pages that still need to be incorporated.

arianek’s picture

Sure thing - just let me know when it's ready to be deleted and I can do it. Thanks!

arianek’s picture

Issue tags: +Sprint: July 2011

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batigolix’s picture

Assigned: Unassigned » batigolix
Issue tags: +image

battle plan:

1. merge the information on:
- http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image
- http://drupal.org/node/1089776
- http://drupal.org/node/895548
- http://drupal.org/node/528074
(also make sure to include the info in the core help text covering images)
note: merging implies deleting the pages whose content was merged into another page

2. move D6 and earlier instructions to child under http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image (with decent references in main article)

3. restructure other child pages (see if they go under D6, maybe delete some outdated info)

4. rewrite, improve, complement http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image
the hardest part i guess. i ll need to dice in D7 and actually learn (yikes) how image stuff works nowadays ;)

I think I can do step 1,2 & 3 this week and do 4 during the coming weeks ...

let me know if you disagree with the approach

arianek’s picture

this sounds pretty on the mark to me - i can review the new D7 docs if you get stuck, i helped test the image handling in core patches, so i have a bit of familiarity with what's in there (though it was a long time ago now!)

batigolix’s picture

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someone, hopefully not me, has to move all the children of http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image under http://drupal.org/node/528074

batigolix’s picture

actually, what I say in #22 is not true

someone, probably me, has to figure out which of the children are D6 only , before moving them ... :(

batigolix’s picture

all D6 info now moved to http://drupal.org/node/528074

a poor soul, hopefully not but probably me, should now figure which of the info on that page is still valid for D7 and then move it back :'(

other todos:

* review http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image
* http://drupal.org/node/528074
* manage (move, remove) children of both pages

batigolix’s picture

* all D6 related children of http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image were moved to http://drupal.org/node/528074
* there were no child pages that contained D7 information (all child pages were related to the image module which wont have a D7 release)
* some child pages werent very informative, so another round of reviewing all child pages is necessary
* the book structure under http://drupal.org/node/528074 is now quite a mess, so a lot of work remains in sorting it out
* the comment on http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image can be rolled

arianek’s picture

Status: Active » Needs review

ooh boy, you were busy! i'll try and get through these this week, to delete the pages, review, etc. :)

batigolix’s picture

review http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image is done

@arianek please review it as well as I'm very good in overlooking my own typos and other errors

although i think i covered all image functionality in D7 (image field settings could have been covered in more detail), i think he page could use technical review as well

arianek’s picture

Just reviewed http://drupal.org/documentation/modules/image and made a few tiny tweaks - really great docs, thanks so much for writing those up!! :) Will peruse the other pages next.

arianek’s picture

deleted node/1089776, node/895548, and added redirects for both to /documentation/modules/image

now, the question of what to do with all those subpages... i am thinking that they are a little hidden under d6, and indeed i'm not sure we want to weed through all those contrib tutorials at the moment. so perhaps it'd be best to move those into their own little section so that it goes:

- Media and Files
-- Working with files in Drupal 6
-- Working with files in Drupal 7
-- Working with images (Drupal 7)
-- Working with images (Drupal 6)
-- Advanced image handling <--dump them all under this?

Thoughts? I know it's a bit messy having 5 pages on the same level for just field + image, but... can't come up with something better at the moment that isn't super labour intensive! I'm happy to move them all in the admin interface.

batigolix’s picture

Assigned: batigolix » Unassigned
Status: Needs review » Needs work

I think your proposal for the restructuring in #29 is okay.

When they are placed in that new location we can review those subpages one by one.

arianek’s picture

I just nearly got this done, but I can't load the book outline management pages (at least not on the conf wifi)! It's next on my list though...

arianek’s picture

Finally rearranged all of this, boy that was a bit gnarly. Double and triple checked that I didn't mess up the hierarchies, etc. http://drupal.org/node/627244 now is ordered as in comment #29.

mgifford’s picture

Issue summary: View changes
Status: Needs work » Fixed

A bunch has changed since 2011. I'm going to mark this as closed but feel free to re-open.
https://drupal.org/node/22395/revisions/view/1740966/6840653

Status: Fixed » Closed (fixed)

Automatically closed - issue fixed for 2 weeks with no activity.