Kristen Pol (she/her) |
In addition to adding events here, use this issue to add new events and encourage organizers to add these to the Community Events list as well: https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3281974 |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
DrupalCon Europe will have in-person contribution |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I don't see anything obvious listed for Atlanta: https://www.drupalcampatlanta.com/2022/schedule/2022-09-16 |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Or BADCamp: https://www.badcamp.org/events |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
DrupalCon will have contribution every day according to the schedule: https://events.drupal.org/prague2022 |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Plus a dedicated day on Friday like usual: https://events.drupal.org/prague2022/program-at-a-glance |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
If anyone is going to DrupalCon and open to mentoring, please join the #mentoring channel |
AmyJune (volkswagenchick) |
BADCamp will NOT have a dedicated contrib portion, but will have space for people who want to co-work |
gambry |
Not a public event, but within my company (EPAM) we are running a Global Contribution Week between 26th Sep and 1st Oct. Usually 10-20 individuals do join for contribution. |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Very cool @gambry Hope there's a blog post with the results:) |
gambry |
there will be one! :smile: |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
In addition to adding your interest here, use this page to signify your willingness to help at contribution events: https://www.drupal.org/community-initiatives/contribution-events-initiat... |
gusaus |
Or are you an event organizer that doesn't have contribution activities yet and would like help?Several of the working groups and initiatives listed here either do or could organize contribution events. I think contributing to elements of 'this' initiative (or sub-initiatives) could be source materiel for a variety of contribution events and formats.For these, a more robust platform to organize and sustain is essential. |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
One thing that was touched up on in a recent #bugsmash meeting was maybe having a global aspect of a bugsmash contribution event that would coincide with DrupalSouth /cc @larowlan |
larowlan |
Still keen |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Cool... so then we'd need a lead (or leads) 🙂 Calling for volunteers! |
gusaus |
Would something like https://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/ be beneficial for coordinating that type of event?Looks like there's at least one group using for the upcoming Drupalconhttps://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/group/contribution-mentors-d... |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Not sure if the DrupalSouth team plans on using Open Social for contribution stuff as it's primarily an in-person event (though I know we are talking about having a remote aspect as well)... maybe @larowlan has thoughts |
larowlan |
yeah we're old fashioned, in person, topic-based tables, online collab in #australia-nz |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
That’s what I figured which makes sense to me. So if there’s a remote aspect then we can just join in slack in whatever official channels |
gusaus |
Guess I'm confused why a certain type of 'remote' event seems to be the only use case for this particular open social instance. I've always seen it as a potential replacement for https://groups.drupal.org/ (DA and Open Social team members evaluated that as an option a couple years ago).Hopefully the sub-initiative team can make better use of it... that is folks chime in with interest and/or approval of that :bulb: |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Really the only remote events where it was helpful afaict were DrupalCon with multiple contribution tracks and we had mentors in the main BBB to greet them and direct to a breakout room. So… we didn’t ever use it for the “groups” aspect, just a zoom replacement. Since we can do breakout rooms in zoom, it seems there isn’t much value in OS IMO but I’m happy to be proven wrong :) |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I think the groups things isn’t so relevant anymore with Slack being where people interact |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Slack + issues + docs + community events seems to cover all the buckets we need , I think |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
but I haven’t used Drupal groups in a long time |
AmyJune (volkswagenchick) |
Zoom break out rooms do not have captions |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
ah, interesting... good to know... do you know if BBB breakout rooms do? Or if there is another viable alternative to zoom/BBB for this? |
gusaus |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661913022503859?thread_t... |
AmyJune (volkswagenchick) |
I se to remember all the BBB rooms had captions |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
In addition to adding your resources here, use this issue to note any resources and documentation that might be helpful for contribution events or places we could look (even outside of Drupal): https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3280005 |
gusaus |
So one of the Open Collective working groups I referenced here is documentation. One of the priority tasks (actually a priority for several groups) is to create organizer/contributor guides largely based on WordPress.I think folks interested in leveraging and extending existing guides might want to join the effort. Especially if you're looking for an entry point to contribute/collaborate with open source projects and groups in addition to Drupal. |
gusaus |
Just came across these resources from the WordPress community.https://wordpress.org/news/2022/09/episode-38-all-about-learnwp-with-spe... source of inspiration is the program that enables so many folks to contribute (part and full-time) to WP community initiatives and teams.IMHO Drupal (and this initiative) needs a similar type of model for the community to sustain and grow.We have all the ingredients and this 'contributor' initiative could/should provide an opportunity to mix something together that works for Drupal. |
gusaus |
Seems like this might overlap/compliment because 1) it could be considered a contribution event; and 2) while it wouldn't be a way to get more folks involved with docs for this initiative (because it's focusing on core, right?), it 'could' provide inspiration for something like a contrib docs flavor (following a similar format) in that channel? |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
One thing I really liked during the event was @kalabro posted some tips/notes along the way... I'll find one |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661497483876669 |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661499531009449 |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661522815892349 |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
This info would be great in a guide for those running/leading/mentoring the event ^ |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Another thing that is great is the docs were updated to be more generic so it'll be even easier for the next event :100: |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I also liked that Open Social was removed from the event format as it just caused some confusion in the first event... not sure anyone actually used a Huddle but at least it was an easy option right in Slack if it was needed |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
It would have been nice to have some blog posts but alas I was very busy and I'm sure others were as well... |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
That said, it was promoted on Twitter and LinkedIn and I'm not sure we did LinkedIn for the first event so that was a nice improvement |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
One thing that could have helped with time zones would be 1) explicitly put the time zone in the event text at the top because there is a Drupal bug that causes the event not to show in the correct time zone in some cases, and 2) make a coverage table (?) with the mentor times on the event page so it's clear when there will be a mentor or not (the current format required each person to do the time zone conversion)... ideally with some major time zones noted |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
some people were looking for help when there were any mentors available but it wasn't easy to tell no one was signed up during that slot |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I helped a bit to nudge that person in the right direction but was tired and not fully attentive |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
There were a good number of people who were participating who didn't tag issues... I did sleuthing and followed up in issues and got quite a few tagged that way |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Not sure how to better make the tagging more clear |
gambry |
The only comment I had is https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661853958927359?thread_t... |
gambry |
For the rest, one of the best online event I’ve been so far! |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Good point, thanks. I didn't get a chance to review the doc changes. Seems like we could do a round of simplifying and refactoring |
kalabro |
on the positive note, we had not development environment issues on the event |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
@smustgrave Is this a proper summary ^ ? |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
This was from my recollection |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
We could also have an event around such at thing |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
For it to be a "proper initiative", it would need a "lead" (or multiple leads). I personally don't have the bandwidth to take on more (I'm already less involved with bugsmash than I'd like) |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Maybe we could find out what interest there might be in such an initiative here and then see if anyone would be interested in leading the effort if there is enough interest |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
We also talked about a "triage-focused initiative"... maybe this is the same thing? |
smustgrave |
that’s perfect. Currently there are 2800+ tickets in NR. And you can cherry pick them and find some are missing tests (when needed), issue summary, outdated, open questions, etc |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Right, so really more of a triage exercise? Or would we expect people would be doing the work as well... i.e. are we wanting people to triage and tag+comment with what's needed or just do things that are needed or both? |
smustgrave |
open to suggestions for that one? |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
It might be interesting only to focus on triage only because many people do not see the value in triaging or really understand what needs to happen for that |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://twitter.com/kristen_pol/status/1564306046834724864?s=20&t=puWnGZ... |
smustgrave |
that makes sense to me. Also think having an accurate list of NR tickets may help keep them from being bottlenecked. Least that’s a hope |
hestenet (he/him) |
@Caleb Crawley is the one on our team who will be working on that over the next several weeks |
froboy |
that guy again… |
froboy |
:stuck_out_tongue: jk yay we love when @Caleb Crawley works on stuff :smile: |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Sweet! I should update the first porting event to include more volunteers then |
Björn Brala (bbrala) |
i was actually wondering, how would you attribute a sponsor? Was looking at drupaljam and the lack of issues and trying to get that fixed, but i have no idea how to do something like sponsoring. |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
The event content type has a place for sponsors too |
Björn Brala (bbrala) |
Ahhh |
gusaus |
Not sure what the protocol is for conversing in meeting threads after the fact... but this is super interesting. :thinking_face: |
gusaus |
Assuming this is an example of the 'event' content type - y'all are saying there's a field or something for sponsors? https://www.drupal.org/community/events/badcamp-2022-2022-10-06 (edited) |
hestenet (he/him) |
Yup. |
froboy |
@gusaus see for yourself. :) https://www.drupal.org/node/add/event?og_group_ref=3129564&destination=n... |
gusaus |
@hestenet (he/him) @liberatr (he/him) So that 'could' also be a future use case for Funding module? |
gusaus |
@froboy Thanks for saving me the time to look for that :grinning: |
gusaus |
So I'm assuming it would be difficult w/o some sort of standardized crediting system :thinking_face:, but it would pretty valuable for sponsors if their logo could be displayed on the camp website & drupal.org |
gusaus |
Maybe this could a component for helping standardize? https://www.drupal.org/node/3201091 (edited) |
gusaus |
Seems like there could be more and more elements of the WordPress event/sponsorship model that could be incorporated/improved upon. |
hestenet (he/him) |
All options to think about, but next step here is to automatically make them part of the organization page. |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3281963#commen... |
gusaus |
Re-evaluating using Open Social for contribution events It is being used for contribution events - mainly around Drupalcon, but there have been exceptionshttps://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/all-groupshttps://drupalcont... using Open Social for contribution events and if working on OS should be part of this initiative or spun offFor the most part, the discussions in the issue have revolved around making it more useful and who would be responsible for developing and maintaining.It seemed like we were pretty close to agreeing we should spin off a separate team/sub-initiative to manage....#3281963: Relaunch drupalcontribution.org#comment-14544192Yes, I think we will want to have a team dedicated to maintaining the Drupal Contributions Open Social platform for the benefit of all contribution events. That team may be the same team as this initiative. Or perhaps not. 🙂 This would be a good topic for the next Slack meeting.At this point I think it's pretty obvious the one or two folks driving the initiative (including coordinating events) can't play an active role beyond possibly helping advise scope and strategy (essentially what we've been doing in the meta discussion).How do we decide if we can move forward or not? |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Yes, great summary of the state of events (pun intended) |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
So... does anyone want to head up a sub-intiative (or separate initiative) focused on using, improving, and documenting Open Social? |
gusaus |
Does that mean being the program/product/project manager responsible for making that happen. I mean that's probably multiple folks/roles. |
gusaus |
If there are benefits (financial, training, in-kind sponsor credit, etc), I 'think' we could find some interested/skilled folks to lead.If you skim through some of the recent discussion in Open Collective, you'll see we're already working on that aspect. |
gusaus |
does anyone want to head up a sub-intiative (or separate initiative) focused on using, improving, and documenting Open SocialI'm not sure a separate initiative makes sense - sub-initiative or project members of the larger initiative could work on, yes.Again, I think how the Drupal Event Platform is a project/initiative of EOWG provides a good model to follow. Even how there's a page that clearly defines purpose, goals, & needs.Main difference would be the roles (we've on/off been defining here) wouldn't necessarily be volunteer. While we might want to define roles in a way where newcomers 'could' volunteer to gain experience.... other high level roles (including mentors :raised_hands:, program/initiative leads, project managers, docs leads, fundraisers/sponsor wranglers etc) should have the option of being compensated for their time.Would be great to hear from folks like @AmyJune (volkswagenchick) about if/how we could involve mentors like I'm suggesting. |
gusaus |
Sharing some additional feedback from a related discussion -https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661906429787759?thread_t... |
gusaus |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908598295349?thread_t... |
gusaus |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908652404419?thread_t... |
gusaus |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908726766589?thread_t... |
gusaus |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908749600319?thread_t... |
gusaus |
So one of the advantages of using/extending Open Social, compared to the resources currently offered on drupal.org, will be the ability to sustain groups, events, projects, and contributors via the Funding module and other tools/platforms like https://www.ethicalads.io/And considering folks like @hestenet (he/him)& @liberatr (he/him) have been involved with the Funding module since the start, we'll be able to use Open Social both as a test case (for future drupal.org integration of the same funding tools) and... as we've discussed somewhere... there's also potential for the DA to host and support this particular OS instance down the line. |
gusaus |
I tried to consolidate some of the recent discussion:point_up: in this comment. |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Thanks so much!!! |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3294434#commen... |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Sadly this ball has been dropped for awhile with focusing on organizing/running/mentoring events |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Since I won't be attending DrupalCon and I don't think there is a remote aspect of the contribution events there, then I could shift my focus back to working on the initiative itself rather than focusing on helping with events |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661882475819279?thread_t... |
gusaus |
Main reason why I'm being...uhhh... I think you used the word persistent on the Talking Drupal podcast :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: is I'm aware of the benefits and resources we'll be able to tap into once we have a collective.And tapping into those benefits (and setting up the collective itself) is where I can really help.Kristen - is there anything I can help you with (aside from joining you as Open Collective admin)? Seems like the main need is to come up with 250 character answers to a couple of questions. Both could probably be culled from [#3279806]Having been through the process myself, I wouldn't worry too much about being declined for not having the 'right' answers. Drupal is a familiar project and there are already other Drupal initiatives like https://opencollective.com/drupal-diversity-and-inclusion which have already been approved.With all the resources we'll be able to tap into (in addition to nonprofit status), becoming an OCF project should open up a wide range of possibilities for onboarding and incentivizing contributors (including myself).I'd love to help make this happen. |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
I appreciate you being persistent as with so many squirrels, I need the nudges, so thanks! 🙂 |
gusaus |
This is still placeholder (well... actually it IS already set up to collect and distribute funds) but a quick look at the team so far should provide an indicator of how my persistence is that community could directly benefit what we're doing on this side. |
Kristen Pol (she/her) |
Thanks! |
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