Meeting will happen in #contribution-events on drupal.slack.com.

Hello and welcome to this asynchronous, biweekly Slack meeting for the Contribution Events Initiative! :wave:

This meeting:
➤ Is for Drupal community members interested in how to better organize, promote, and improve contribution events. We discuss upcoming events, lessons learned from past events, ideas for increasing event participation, how to improve documentation, and more.
➤ Happens every two weeks in alternating timezones: 5pm UTC Mondays and 5am UTC Tuesdays.
➤ Is done over chat.
➤ Is actively facilitated for 1 hour, but is open asynchronously for 24 hours from the meeting start time.
➤ Happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously!
➤ Transcript will be exported and posted to a project issue for this meeting. For anonymous comments, start with a :bust_in_silhouette: emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a :no_entry_sign: emoji.

​​​​​​​This meeting is run alternately by @Kristen Pol (she/her) and @surabhi.gokte. This week I am facilitating.

:zero: Who is here today? Comment in the thread to introduce yourself and let us know [insert social question, e.g. if you have any interesting plans for the weekend, what is a recent book/movie/series you enjoyed, what is a new song you like, have any fun vacation plans].
:one: Do you have suggested topics you are looking to discuss? Post in this thread and we’ll open separate threads for them as appropriate. Please use the additional threads for discussion.
:two: Space to call out any recent contribution wins and special Drupal thanks for people in contribution land.
:three: Are there any contribution events coming up that you know about? Regular events?
:four: Did you participate in a contribution event recently? Feedback?
:five: Are you looking for a contribution event to help as an organizer, mentor, or participant? Or are you an event organizer that doesn't have contribution activities yet and would like help?
:six: Do you have any resources or documentation suggestions? Do you have suggestions for where to look for existing documentation (even outside of Drupal)?

[add additional topic threads here]

:last: That's all folks, thank you for attending! :blue_heart: This meeting is officially open for the next 23 hours, so please continue the conversation in the threads above. We also welcome feedback on the meeting structure and agenda via this thread, Slack, or issue queue!
  • For #1, don't copy/paste the topics exactly unless they are clear and short enough. Otherwise, summarize the information so it's easy to understand. Then start each of those topic threads with the first item acknowledging the person who suggested the topic, e.g. [@ name] raised this. Or you can put in the thread message if preferred.
     
  • For #3, add this for first item in the thread:

    In addition to adding events here, use this issue to add new events and encourage organizers to add these to the Community Events list as well: https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3281974

  • For #4, add this for first item in the thread:

    In addition to adding feedback here, use this issue or create a child issue to add any contribution event feedback:
    https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3282885

  • For #5, add this for first item in the thread:

    In addition to adding your interest here, use this page to signify your willingness to help at contribution events: https://www.drupal.org/community-initiatives/contribution-events-initiat...

  • For #6, add these for first items in the thread:

    In addition to adding your resources here, use this issue to note any resources and documentation that might be helpful for contribution events or places we could look (even outside of Drupal): https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3280005

  • After #6, review the open project issues to see if there are any topics that should be added for this particular meeting and open numbered threads as appropriate.

0️⃣ Who is here today? Comment in the thread to introduce yourself... and...Icebreaker: What's a non-tech hobby that you enjoy?

Kristen Pol (she/her) Kristen, California :wave: I enjoy photography a lot but haven't used an SLR in some time as mine broke a few years back... so just using my phone these days... I miss taking macro photos with nice blur but I do get a lot of nice nature shots even with the phone
VinmayiSwamy Vinmayi, India :wave: I enjoy pencil drawing, book reading and poem writing in my native language
AmyJune (volkswagenchick) AmyJune )volkswagenchick). I enjoy geocaching… but maybe be considered tech since we use GPS and multimillion dollar satillites/
gambry Gab. I enjoy watching movies (not series :disappointed: ). From Italy.

1️⃣ Do you have suggested topics you are looking to discuss? Post in this thread and we’ll open separate threads for them as appropriate. Please use the additional threads for discussion.

Kristen Pol (she/her) We can have a thread specifically for both Drupal 10 Global Porting Days as a "retro" of sorts
smustgrave A new initiative for the NR queue
gusaus https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3281963#commen...
gusaus https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3294434#commen...
gusaus Only thing I would add that isn't already touched on in the issues is there are working groups coming together in the Open Collective community that 'should' be great for promoting Drupal (including this initiative) and identifying/securing additional resources (like contributors and funds) needed to move forward on some of the loftier projects/goals without interfering with other priorities.
gusaus Maybe the initiative itself should another discussion topic. For instance, are these actually the short term/long term goals or are we still trying to determine what's realistic? Does that align with the goals (and name) we're preparing to submit to the Open Collective Foundation? https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661887940215899?thread_t...

2️⃣ Space to call out any recent contribution wins and special Drupal thanks for people in contribution land.

Kristen Pol (she/her) Drupal thanks again to @kalabro @spleshka (he/him) @Tamsin Fox-Davies for the hard work over the last few weeks on the successful Drupal 10 Global Porting Day!
Kristen Pol (she/her) Also another shout out to the mentors and spontaneous helpers and all the participants
Kristen Pol (she/her) Here's hopefully a complete list https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3306409

3️⃣ Are there any contribution events coming up that you know about? Regular events?

Kristen Pol (she/her) In addition to adding events here, use this issue to add new events and encourage organizers to add these to the Community Events list as well: https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3281974
Kristen Pol (she/her) DrupalCon Europe will have in-person contribution
Kristen Pol (she/her) I don't see anything obvious listed for Atlanta: https://www.drupalcampatlanta.com/2022/schedule/2022-09-16
Kristen Pol (she/her) Or BADCamp: https://www.badcamp.org/events
Kristen Pol (she/her) DrupalCon will have contribution every day according to the schedule: https://events.drupal.org/prague2022
Kristen Pol (she/her) Plus a dedicated day on Friday like usual: https://events.drupal.org/prague2022/program-at-a-glance
Kristen Pol (she/her) If anyone is going to DrupalCon and open to mentoring, please join the #mentoring channel
AmyJune (volkswagenchick) BADCamp will NOT have a dedicated contrib portion, but will have space for people who want to co-work
gambry Not a public event, but within my company (EPAM) we are running a Global Contribution Week between 26th Sep and 1st Oct. Usually 10-20 individuals do join for contribution.
Kristen Pol (she/her) Very cool @gambry Hope there's a blog post with the results:)
gambry there will be one! :smile:

4️⃣ Did you participate in a contribution event recently? Feedback?

Kristen Pol (she/her) In addition to adding feedback here, use this issue or create a child issue to add any contribution event feedback:https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3282885
Kristen Pol (she/her) I helped with https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661836141433359

5️⃣ Are you looking for a contribution event to help as an organizer, mentor, or participant? Or are you an event organizer that doesn't have contribution activities yet and would like help?

Kristen Pol (she/her) In addition to adding your interest here, use this page to signify your willingness to help at contribution events: https://www.drupal.org/community-initiatives/contribution-events-initiat...
gusaus Or are you an event organizer that doesn't have contribution activities yet and would like help?Several of the working groups and initiatives listed here either do or could organize contribution events. I think contributing to elements of 'this' initiative (or sub-initiatives) could be source materiel for a variety of contribution events and formats.For these, a more robust platform to organize and sustain is essential.
Kristen Pol (she/her) One thing that was touched up on in a recent #bugsmash meeting was maybe having a global aspect of a bugsmash contribution event that would coincide with DrupalSouth /cc @larowlan
larowlan Still keen
Kristen Pol (she/her) Cool... so then we'd need a lead (or leads) 🙂 Calling for volunteers!
gusaus Would something like https://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/ be beneficial for coordinating that type of event?Looks like there's at least one group using for the upcoming Drupalconhttps://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/group/contribution-mentors-d...
Kristen Pol (she/her) Not sure if the DrupalSouth team plans on using Open Social for contribution stuff as it's primarily an in-person event (though I know we are talking about having a remote aspect as well)... maybe @larowlan has thoughts
larowlan yeah we're old fashioned, in person, topic-based tables, online collab in #australia-nz
Kristen Pol (she/her) That’s what I figured which makes sense to me. So if there’s a remote aspect then we can just join in slack in whatever official channels
gusaus Guess I'm confused why a certain type of 'remote' event seems to be the only use case for this particular open social instance. I've always seen it as a potential replacement for https://groups.drupal.org/ (DA and Open Social team members evaluated that as an option a couple years ago).Hopefully the sub-initiative team can make better use of it... that is folks chime in with interest and/or approval of that :bulb:
Kristen Pol (she/her) Really the only remote events where it was helpful afaict were DrupalCon with multiple contribution tracks and we had mentors in the main BBB to greet them and direct to a breakout room. So… we didn’t ever use it for the “groups” aspect, just a zoom replacement. Since we can do breakout rooms in zoom, it seems there isn’t much value in OS IMO but I’m happy to be proven wrong :)
Kristen Pol (she/her) I think the groups things isn’t so relevant anymore with Slack being where people interact
Kristen Pol (she/her) Slack + issues + docs + community events seems to cover all the buckets we need , I think
Kristen Pol (she/her) but I haven’t used Drupal groups in a long time
AmyJune (volkswagenchick) Zoom break out rooms do not have captions
Kristen Pol (she/her) ah, interesting... good to know... do you know if BBB breakout rooms do? Or if there is another viable alternative to zoom/BBB for this?
gusaus https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661913022503859?thread_t...
AmyJune (volkswagenchick) I se to remember all the BBB rooms had captions

6️⃣ Do you have any resources or documentation suggestions? Do you have suggestions for where to look for existing documentation (even outside of Drupal)?

Kristen Pol (she/her) In addition to adding your resources here, use this issue to note any resources and documentation that might be helpful for contribution events or places we could look (even outside of Drupal): https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3280005
gusaus So one of the Open Collective working groups I referenced here is documentation. One of the priority tasks (actually a priority for several groups) is to create organizer/contributor guides largely based on WordPress.I think folks interested in leveraging and extending existing guides might want to join the effort. Especially if you're looking for an entry point to contribute/collaborate with open source projects and groups in addition to Drupal.
gusaus Just came across these resources from the WordPress community.https://wordpress.org/news/2022/09/episode-38-all-about-learnwp-with-spe... source of inspiration is the program that enables so many folks to contribute (part and full-time) to WP community initiatives and teams.IMHO Drupal (and this initiative) needs a similar type of model for the community to sustain and grow.We have all the ingredients and this 'contributor' initiative could/should provide an opportunity to mix something together that works for Drupal.
gusaus Seems like this might overlap/compliment because 1) it could be considered a contribution event; and 2) while it wouldn't be a way to get more folks involved with docs for this initiative (because it's focusing on core, right?), it 'could' provide inspiration for something like a contrib docs flavor (following a similar format) in that channel?

7️⃣ Drupal 10 Global Porting Day(s) retro. What went well? What can be improved? Any feedback welcome.

Kristen Pol (she/her) One thing I really liked during the event was @kalabro posted some tips/notes along the way... I'll find one
Kristen Pol (she/her) https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661497483876669
Kristen Pol (she/her) https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661499531009449
Kristen Pol (she/her) https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661522815892349
Kristen Pol (she/her) This info would be great in a guide for those running/leading/mentoring the event ^
Kristen Pol (she/her) Another thing that is great is the docs were updated to be more generic so it'll be even easier for the next event :100:
Kristen Pol (she/her) I also liked that Open Social was removed from the event format as it just caused some confusion in the first event... not sure anyone actually used a Huddle but at least it was an easy option right in Slack if it was needed
Kristen Pol (she/her) It would have been nice to have some blog posts but alas I was very busy and I'm sure others were as well...
Kristen Pol (she/her) That said, it was promoted on Twitter and LinkedIn and I'm not sure we did LinkedIn for the first event so that was a nice improvement
Kristen Pol (she/her) One thing that could have helped with time zones would be 1) explicitly put the time zone in the event text at the top because there is a Drupal bug that causes the event not to show in the correct time zone in some cases, and 2) make a coverage table (?) with the mentor times on the event page so it's clear when there will be a mentor or not (the current format required each person to do the time zone conversion)... ideally with some major time zones noted
Kristen Pol (she/her) some people were looking for help when there were any mentors available but it wasn't easy to tell no one was signed up during that slot
Kristen Pol (she/her) I helped a bit to nudge that person in the right direction but was tired and not fully attentive
Kristen Pol (she/her) There were a good number of people who were participating who didn't tag issues... I did sleuthing and followed up in issues and got quite a few tagged that way
Kristen Pol (she/her) Not sure how to better make the tagging more clear
gambry The only comment I had is https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C014CT1CN1M/p1661853958927359?thread_t...
gambry For the rest, one of the best online event I’ve been so far!
Kristen Pol (she/her) Good point, thanks. I didn't get a chance to review the doc changes. Seems like we could do a round of simplifying and refactoring
kalabro on the positive note, we had not development environment issues on the event

8️⃣ That's all for the facilitated part... quiet meeting 🙂 This meeting is officially open for the next 23 hours, so please continue the conversation in the threads above. We also welcome feedback on the meeting structure and agenda via this thread, Slack, or issue queue!

9️⃣ From @smustgrave A new "Needs review" initiative similar to bugsmash focused on any type of issue

Kristen Pol (she/her) @smustgrave Is this a proper summary ^ ?
Kristen Pol (she/her) This was from my recollection
Kristen Pol (she/her) We could also have an event around such at thing
Kristen Pol (she/her) For it to be a "proper initiative", it would need a "lead" (or multiple leads). I personally don't have the bandwidth to take on more (I'm already less involved with bugsmash than I'd like)
Kristen Pol (she/her) Maybe we could find out what interest there might be in such an initiative here and then see if anyone would be interested in leading the effort if there is enough interest
Kristen Pol (she/her) We also talked about a "triage-focused initiative"... maybe this is the same thing?
smustgrave that’s perfect.  Currently there are 2800+ tickets in NR.  And you can cherry pick them and find some are missing tests (when needed), issue summary, outdated, open questions, etc
Kristen Pol (she/her) Right, so really more of a triage exercise? Or would we expect people would be doing the work as well... i.e. are we wanting people to triage and tag+comment with what's needed or just do things that are needed or both?
smustgrave open to suggestions for that one?
Kristen Pol (she/her) It might be interesting only to focus on triage only because many people do not see the value in triaging or really understand what needs to happen for that
Kristen Pol (she/her) https://twitter.com/kristen_pol/status/1564306046834724864?s=20&t=puWnGZ...
smustgrave that makes sense to me.  Also think having an accurate list of NR tickets may help keep them from being bottlenecked.  Least that’s a hope

🔟 A general heads up - the DA is beginning work to back-reference information from /community/events automatically to user profiles. i.e: If you were an event organizer on a submitted event, we want that reference to show. (ditto if you were added as speaker/volunteer, etc - or if an org was added as sponsor)

hestenet (he/him) @Caleb Crawley is the one on our team who will be working on that over the next several weeks
froboy that guy again…
froboy :stuck_out_tongue: jk yay we love when @Caleb Crawley works on stuff :smile:
Kristen Pol (she/her) Sweet! I should update the first porting event to include more volunteers then
Björn Brala (bbrala) i was actually wondering, how would you attribute a sponsor? Was looking at drupaljam and the lack of issues and trying to get that fixed, but i have no idea how to do something like sponsoring.
Kristen Pol (she/her) The event content type has a place for sponsors too
Björn Brala (bbrala) Ahhh
gusaus Not sure what the protocol is for conversing in meeting threads after the fact... but this is super interesting. :thinking_face:
gusaus Assuming this is an example of the 'event' content type - y'all are saying there's a field or something for sponsors? https://www.drupal.org/community/events/badcamp-2022-2022-10-06 (edited)
hestenet (he/him) Yup.
froboy @gusaus see for yourself. :) https://www.drupal.org/node/add/event?og_group_ref=3129564&destination=n...
gusaus @hestenet (he/him) @liberatr (he/him) So that 'could' also be a future use case for Funding module?
gusaus @froboy Thanks for saving me the time to look for that :grinning:
gusaus So I'm assuming it would be difficult w/o some sort of standardized crediting system :thinking_face:, but it would pretty valuable for sponsors if their logo could be displayed on the camp website & drupal.org
gusaus Maybe this could a component for helping standardize? https://www.drupal.org/node/3201091 (edited)
gusaus Seems like there could be more and more elements of the WordPress event/sponsorship model that could be incorporated/improved upon.
hestenet (he/him) All options to think about, but next step here is to automatically make them part of the organization page.

1️⃣ 1️⃣ From @gusaus Re-evaluating using Open Social for contribution events and if working on OS should be part of this initiative or spun off

Kristen Pol (she/her) https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3281963#commen...
gusaus Re-evaluating using Open Social for contribution events It is being used for contribution events - mainly around Drupalcon, but there have been exceptionshttps://drupalcontributions.opensocial.site/all-groupshttps://drupalcont... using Open Social for contribution events and if working on OS should be part of this initiative or spun offFor the most part, the discussions in the issue have revolved around making it more useful and who would be responsible for developing and maintaining.It seemed like we were pretty close to agreeing we should spin off a  separate team/sub-initiative to manage....#3281963: Relaunch drupalcontribution.org#comment-14544192Yes, I think we will want to have a team dedicated to maintaining the Drupal Contributions Open Social platform for the benefit of all contribution events. That team may be the same team as this initiative. Or perhaps not. 🙂 This would be a good topic for the next Slack meeting.At this point I think it's pretty obvious the one or two folks driving the initiative (including coordinating events) can't play an active role beyond possibly helping advise scope and strategy (essentially what we've been doing in the meta discussion).How do we decide if we can move forward or not?
Kristen Pol (she/her) Yes, great summary of the state of events (pun intended)
Kristen Pol (she/her) So... does anyone want to head up a sub-intiative (or separate initiative) focused on using, improving, and documenting Open Social?
gusaus Does that mean being the program/product/project manager responsible for making that happen. I mean that's probably multiple folks/roles.
gusaus If there are benefits (financial, training, in-kind sponsor credit, etc), I 'think' we could find some interested/skilled folks to lead.If you skim through some of the recent discussion in Open Collective, you'll see we're already working on that aspect.
gusaus does anyone want to head up a sub-intiative (or separate initiative) focused on using, improving, and documenting Open SocialI'm not sure a separate initiative makes sense - sub-initiative or project members of the larger initiative could work on, yes.Again, I think how the Drupal Event Platform is a project/initiative of EOWG provides a good model to follow. Even how there's a page that clearly defines purpose, goals, & needs.Main difference would be the roles (we've on/off been defining here) wouldn't necessarily be volunteer. While we might want to define roles in a way where newcomers 'could' volunteer to gain experience.... other high level roles (including mentors :raised_hands:, program/initiative leads, project managers, docs leads, fundraisers/sponsor wranglers etc) should have the option of being compensated for their time.Would be great to hear from folks like @AmyJune (volkswagenchick) about if/how we could involve mentors like I'm suggesting.
gusaus Sharing some additional feedback from a related discussion -https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661906429787759?thread_t...
gusaus https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908598295349?thread_t...
gusaus https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908652404419?thread_t...
gusaus https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908726766589?thread_t...
gusaus https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661908749600319?thread_t...
gusaus So one of the advantages of using/extending Open Social, compared to the resources currently offered on drupal.org, will be the ability to sustain groups, events, projects, and contributors via the Funding module and other tools/platforms like https://www.ethicalads.io/And considering folks like @hestenet (he/him)& @liberatr (he/him) have been involved with the Funding module since the start, we'll be able to use Open Social both as a test case (for future drupal.org integration of the same funding tools) and... as we've discussed somewhere... there's also potential for the DA to host and support this particular OS instance down the line.
gusaus I tried to consolidate some of the recent discussion:point_up: in this comment.
Kristen Pol (she/her) Thanks so much!!!

1️⃣ 2️⃣ From @gusaus Status of setting up Open Collective

Kristen Pol (she/her) https://www.drupal.org/project/contribution_events/issues/3294434#commen...
Kristen Pol (she/her) Sadly this ball has been dropped for awhile with focusing on organizing/running/mentoring events
Kristen Pol (she/her) Since I won't be attending DrupalCon and I don't think there is a remote aspect of the contribution events there, then I could shift my focus back to working on the initiative itself rather than focusing on helping with events
Kristen Pol (she/her) https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C03FH8GTB1A/p1661882475819279?thread_t...
gusaus Main reason why I'm being...uhhh... I think you used the word persistent on the Talking Drupal podcast :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: is I'm aware of the benefits and resources we'll be able to tap into once we have a collective.And tapping into those benefits (and setting up the collective itself) is where I can really help.Kristen - is there anything I can help you with (aside from joining you as Open Collective admin)? Seems like the main need is to come up with 250 character answers to a couple of questions. Both could probably be culled from [#3279806]Having been through the process myself, I wouldn't worry too much about being declined for not having the 'right' answers. Drupal is a familiar project and there are already other Drupal initiatives like https://opencollective.com/drupal-diversity-and-inclusion which have already been approved.With all the resources we'll be able to tap into (in addition to nonprofit status), becoming an OCF project should open up a wide range of possibilities for onboarding and incentivizing contributors (including myself).I'd love to help make this happen.
Kristen Pol (she/her) I appreciate you being persistent as with so many squirrels, I need the nudges, so thanks! 🙂
gusaus This is still placeholder (well... actually it IS already set up to collect and distribute funds) but a quick look at the team so far should provide an indicator of how my persistence is that community could directly benefit what we're doing on this side.
Kristen Pol (she/her) Thanks!

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