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To put it simply Drupal.se is for sale to anyone or any entity. I am no longer interested in promoting Drupal on this level. No, I will not donate it. People will just have to live with that. If someone else wants to purchase it and donate it then more power to them. For particulars and discussion you can go to drupal.se.
If you want to discuss this or flame then you are welcome to do it at http://hiveminds.co.uk/drupal.se. I want to avoid having any threads locked by having anything posted here.
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You really think 25K is
You really think 25K is enough?
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Trademark is valid; domain is not
The drupal.se registration is without value and can be voided at any time.
The official domain registration policy for the .se TLD (www.iis.se) says:
... and the official USPTO trademark registration for "Drupal" says:
legality aside
legality aside, this is a despicable move that is making money off of someone else's work.
You have been a member of Drupal for quite a long time and you have contributed a number of pages. For you to do something like this is like a stab in the back to the community. Not to mention that it reflects fairly poorly on you as a citizen. You should be paid for the real value you have added to the world not because you registered a domain name. This move is nothing more than cyber-squatting.
I don't understand
There are dozens of companies and hundreds of people making profit from using, designing, promoting and otherwise using the Drupal name to make a buck. If Sony and MTV are not making a profit by using Drupal then something is wrong. Sites like Drupalsites.com are making money by having the drupal name plastered all over them.
I will still promote Drupal under the domain Drupal.st. But Drupal.se is so language needful and only seems to fail everytime I try to get something going. Mostly because all in Sweden want to have control over the domain. So rather than continue on this merry-go-round I have decided to jump and hand it over to someone that is serious about drupal in Sweden. Rather than sending me dozens of emails a week now someone can step up a show that they are really, really ready to go all way by making a significant investment in running a Drupal Community. I have had offers of 10, 000 SEK for the domain but have turned them down for 2 years running.
I have talked to three parties and gotten advice on the domain. They all felt that a company with the resources to run a proper OS community should take over. Hence the price. I do not fully expect a private person to make this purchase my hope is that a middle sized swedish company will see the potential in Drupal and take over the domain and create a community that will further spread the word.
After all Drupal has gotten me two great jobs and much consultation work I want to see it grow.
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I'll bite..
OK I somewhat understand where you are coming from.... but not really.
You are correct that other sites are benefiting from the Drupal name and I put them in the same boat as this. Just because one person is doing it doesn't make it right.
My comment is directly because you are using the name and nothing else to benefit from. You didn't choose the name you merely purchased it, for dramatically less than 25Euros and are now reselling it. The person purchasing it isn't buying a community of users or a well setup website. They are buying a name
Again you have added zero value here but yet are expecting to extract tons.
I'm sorry but I don't agree with your agreement. Its porous and has no basis in reality.
Additionally according to the wayback machine. When you initially purchased Drupal.se you attempted to create Drupal SE...A direct quote from the website reads
It wasn't until July or 2007 that you finally put up a page stating that it was for the Swedish community and that it wasn't adopted by anyone (0 post, 0 community members). I'm not really seeing any attempt on your part.
Additionally the pages look like nothing more than a squatter website with tons of aggregated content (from d.o), mixed in with your own generated content and then ads placed all around it.
I'm sorry but the Internet has a history and according to the history you look like a cyber squatter.
In the begginning Drupal SE
In the begginning Drupal SE was because i18n was virtually non-existant for Drupal 4.4/4.5 which many of my customers were still using. I was doing many Swedish by hand. This was Drupal SE and typical text (taxonomy and i18n sucked then). Many of the ideas that I put forth back in 4.6 for Typical text have been put into Drupal 5. (those silly text files called info, only someone called them stupid when I wanted to put in HTML files that would do the same thing, making each module a directory)
Drupal.se was not a community because no one in Sweden knew or cared about Drupal.
I am not a cyber squatter. I have tried and tried but failed to create a Svensk Community I give up.
I am part of the reason that Drupal is popular (along with others). I have created and installed 83 Drupal sites and written CHM documenetation (hours of hand work and perl scripts) http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/taxonomy/term/67/Ebooks and never asked for a dime even though most of the time I hand no income.
I have written modules and given support both here and through my own site for FREE! for 3 years. In my mind €25,000 is cheap if this is my return on the hours I have invested.
My family has suffered form me sitting long nights trying to grok Drupal enough to make a buck doing consultancy. So if you think I am not going to think of them and what I can give them by trying to profit on my own hard work and efforts then think again. Me registering Drupal.se was part of an effort to push drupal. Nothing has changed. I just want a winfall and go on to something else and I will still promote Drupal(.st) only using a domain name that does not get me dozens of emails a week from real cybersquatters!
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again...
You still haven't added any value to the domain name drupal.se. You were not alone in helping to build Drupal to what it is today. You cannot put the value of your 3 years of work into the price tag for a domain that was unrelated to your work. Drupal.se to this day has no members, no documentation and no content. You are selling a name and nothing more.
You do not own that name.
If you want a windfall then you should look to capitalize on your website building skills, coding talents and other skills. Registering a name and doing little with it does not constitute hardwork to the degree of being giving a "windfall". There are more than a handful of ways to make money using Drupal and/or OSS you should explore those routes. You are an extremely talented person I find it difficult to believe that you would have a difficult time finding a job.
I stand by my original argument. I'm sorry this is harsh but judging from your original post you knew full well how this would roil the community. Although I'm confused as to why you would do such a thing especially since you are risking your entire Drupal career here.
My advice is to apologize, donate the name to someone that will use it for good (like the Swedish community or a.d.o) and ask for forgiveness. If you stopped this nonsense right now I'd forgive you (for what it's worth).
It's not the first thing you
It's not the first thing you don't understand, but we are used to that and don't mind anymore. The difference between Sony et al., the Drupal consultants, and a domain squatter should be rather obvious.
Since you bring up Sony and MTV...
Since you bring up Sony and MTV, both of whose sites I've worked on, I figure I ought to chime in here, against my better judgment.
That is ensuring the Drupal project's growth. What you're doing is greed, plain and simple.
more than fair offer
If you give your domain to Dries I'll paypal you 100 euros for your trouble and I think that's a fairly generous offer given the current angle of approach.
This way you get to save face for your social gaffe, it is almost as if the timing of the VC announcement has something to do with this, if you were serious about drupal you'd realize that some fairly exciting stuff is about to happen instead of trying to make a quick buck.
if you are seriously looking to make such a huge profit on this then you never were serious about 'promoting Drupal on this level', at a minimum it seems you were expecting a very large payback sooner or later.
That you have had higher offers is really of no importance, no matter how you dice it that domain is directly refering to a registered trademark., the fact that you are hawking it here only underscores that.
I'm a total drupal newbie but I know a thing or two about trademark law and imho you don't have a leg to stand on.
I might be able to purchase
I might be able to purchase the domain if the price was more reasonable (less than 250 EUR).
Pretty sad approach
All your wittering on about how your family has suffered and how you have had to put so much effort into translation when it wasn't ready and stuff, is I think a fairly weak excuse for you holding the community to ransom for a domain name.
Get real. You chose Drupal it wasn't imposed upon you so. You took responsibilty for all the hours you put in. You chose to use Drupal for commercial work, it is no one else's responsibility, therefore how much you have earnt from consulting is down to you not Drupal because you could have chosen to be a Microsoft Tech or a Java developer or some other tech which may have paid you more.
How much time you have dedicated to the community is your choice not the community's if people have benefited from your work that is your choice not the communities.
Therefore you should pass it back to the community with a fair price for your outlay (on the domain name only).
Personally I think that Dries should have a go about domains and trademarks if you have such a self pitying approach to how much you have suffered having chosen Drupal.
Being the host and owner of
Being the host and owner of another biggish CMS with Swedish site for over 2 years now, I think it goes against all what GNU stands for to demand such a price.
We are all in this for nothing but ad money and what we may scrape up from the fans. We can earn extra by
providing help to others that are willing to pay for our job, but we should not expect payment for contributions to the community. I am swede, I might buy your site, I am also new in to Drupal but not new in to handling communities since I do that professionally to some extent, but forget that money.
change in price.
If you are a registered swedish company that does web related business then I will sell for 100,000 sek. For those outside of the Nordic area the price remains the same.
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ROFL Well yes I have a
ROFL
Well yes I have a registered company, but...100 grand!? Nope I don't make that kinda money, my costumers aint Ericsson or Volvo, but regular people. And my firm is only a hobby anyway.
ICANN process...
I'm not sure how to respond to this. I remember the days we sat on the 3rd floor of BBN Planet and wondered, "what if we registered Coke.com?"
That was 1995, this is now. You do realize than you would lose an ICANN dispute over the domain ownership on "pro forma" grounds, that is, "hands down?" Right?
You claim to have registered with some good intent, and people have offered to compensate you reasonably for it. The mark belongs to someone else and you're squatting. Take the offer, before someone decides it would be more ethical to make an example of you. (Anyone other than Dries/d.a. who buys from you will have less of a claim than yours).
"IANAL," but I was Milberg Weiss' expert witness during Napster, so consider that the IP advice may be worth more than you're paying for it :P
I am pretty interested in
I am pretty interested in how that process would go also. I have been trying to get a domain from a company that has registered just every [last name].com in the U.S. It would seem that ICANN has bigger fish to fry.
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Bigger Fish indeed...
Well, well.
The ICANN process likely does not apply to the "last name" situation you describe for rather obvious reasons; whatever ICANN's mistakes, the process is transparent. And that's the extent of the free advice | troll food I'll provide for the likes of you.
Would it be weird if...
Would it be weird if I wanted to purchase this domain for promoting Drupal in Finland?
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My guess would be if you
My guess would be if you used both languages then you would satisfy any users. But I think Drupal.fi actually went online a while ago.
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