Hi All,

With all respect and surely acknowledging all the native English Doc-Team Members, but I cannot accept that 1 or 2 or maybe some more Member of this Team want to represent the overall knowledge level of all the visitors on Drupal.org.

I really am frustrated that again I have to pledge for a more suitable attention for no native English on this Site.
It is a fact that really do show some kind of intolerance if it's explained that the page Common English expressions and acronyms it's not that much frequented for deleting some acronym that lead me to better identify posts and comments that really contains misspelling (Typos that everybody can happen on D.O.) and also because I'm sure that the page would get more visit if some of my request to improve announcement that such a page exist, would have been taken in consideration and supported.

I really take this as a personal offend also because I really though that here we do want to help no native English visitors of any kind and region to get access to Drupal and the Handbooks as to know and understand how to use this great CMS.

I ask your feedback in regard.

This is the primary goal of the page mentioned and linked above:

Common English expressions and acronyms used by members of Drupal.org in posts, issues and comments. This page gives basic help and reference to Drupal.org visitors, newbies, beginners and NNEs.

If You do not want this kind of contribution from me and for this Site. I do resign as a member and user on Drupal.org

Kind Regards

Edit: corrections.

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morbus iff’s picture

morbus iff
they/them
commented

I support removal of "cudos". It is not common English, nor used on d.o., and doesn't belong on the page. Nor do I support a new page of "Words that sound like other English words but actually aren't and could provide some misunderstanding"

leehunter’s picture

leehunter commented

I would very much want to encourage ESL speakers to use Drupal, but I do have a number of questions about this effort.

Is providing a general glossary of English words (especially words not specifically about content management or Drupal) within the natural scope of the Drupal project?

Are we replicating what is already easily available on the Internet through Google, Wikipedia, Babelfish etc.? All documentation creates a maintenance burden, so it's generally considered a best practise to limit content to what is really essential and to avoid duplication wherever humanly possible. For example, we only provide information about CSS and PHP that is specific to using Drupal since there are many resources available elsewhere.

If the glossary is worth doing, what exactly is the scope? Is it any English word that anyone uses on the site, even if the word is misused or misspelled? If that's the case, I don't think I could support it at all, since it goes beyond what most dictionaries attempt to do and leads to discussions of English usage which don't add value to the Drupal project.

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dman commented

First, the page is titled "Common expressions & acronyms used on D.O.".
Words and expressions that are never found on a search of D.O. don't have a place there.

I initially corrected 'cudos' to 'kudos' because it was a factual error of English usage. As explained in the log note.
The mis-spelled mistake cannot help anyone looking to learn or understand discussions, and would in fact confuse them more. Thus it actually was making the page worse by being there. Wrong information can be worse than a lack of it.

I think that "common" needs to mean actually used more than one or two times in the 300,000 pages of d.o. And I think for the glossary to remain relevant and useful it should limit itself relevant and useful words.

Editing documentation sometimes means reducing content. Well-edited documents are shorter than long ones. This makes the remaining information shine through with a higher value. Deleting a note should not be taken as a criticism - it's just refining the items that are there.
See Egoless programming: you are not your code. As a coder, if someone else edits my code and makes it more concise by removing redundancies, eg references to items that are never called, that's a Good ThingTM.

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keith.smith commented

The purpose of the page, in my opinion, is to list those acronyms and expressions that may be unique to Drupal (like "RTBC", "d.o", "g.d.o") or mean a very specific thing within the community (like "core" or "HEAD").

I don't have any issue with including other common acronyms like "IMO" or "AFAICT", but those can just as easily be googled.

However, there is no place in this list for entries like "ADHD" and others.

In regard to "cudos", the four pages listed on http://drupal.org/search/node/cudos shows two uses where it was improperly used in place of "kudos," the terminology page, and this page. I don't see a single example where it is used to mean the definition that currently exists in the terminology page.

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Wolfflow commented

@Morbus Iff - FYI: We do not leave in a World that speaks and write only English.

@LeeHunter -

documentation creates a maintenance burden

If there is someone that take care off it is surely not a burden for you.

@Dman The word "cudos" is found 4 Times on Drupal.org in post and anyway I'm principally
against using abbr. or acronyms or common expressions in supporting post when I want to
help someone to understand something. That is mostly used in regionalism, and I don't thing Drupal.org
is limited or delimited for only English visitors. They might be happy to find here some general definitions and not have to leave Drupal.org for searching.

BTW: You also should review Your code as it was exactly you and some other member that encouraged me to build such a page.
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I really am happy to be somehow defeated by such a prominent reluctance to have a page like I myself proposed to do long time ago, and that really if it this is such a burden for you all, I can leave with it.

I just will think about some of the Members that tried in 24.693 Posting without an answer, to get help or support , they were much more clever then me and toke the choice to ignore and leave Drupal.org as it is.

Thanks for clearing me off

Kind Regards

HansBKK’s picture

HansBKK commented

Wolf, sorry if you took offense, but it's pretty clear that out of the possible scope of Drupal's glossaries:

Drupal-specific jargon
computer-related jargon
normal English words
misspelled words

"cudos" is in group 4, and I think you would find it a challenge to find one person in a thousand who would agree they should be included. I think you'll find your addition to Wikipedia will be deleted before too long as well.

IMO only the first group should be included, there are so many sources on the web for #2 and #3 it's just a waste to keep that information here.

Wolfflow’s picture

Wolfflow commented

One last personal comment about my decision to resign.

If there is no place for a small number of text lines like:

cudos
Is an acronym used to denote principles that should guide good scientific research. According to the Cudos principles, the scientific ethos should be governed by: Communalism, Universalism, Disinterestedness, Originality, Scepticism.
Note: source definition on Wikipedia:
The similar sounding term kudos is derived from classical Greek and means fame and renown resulting from an act of achievement; and by extension is often used as a praising remark.

to evidence the difference of two terms used on Drupal.org and most of the Team Members agree to remove, I just see how pathetic, ungenerous and ridiculous is the fact that this small additional reference do so much influence the Hardware and Performance and Visibility of the page in question.

Really I am so happy to have no more to discuss with such a terrific sparingly management on Drupal.org.

Wolfflow’s picture

Wolfflow commented

@Keith.smith, If you continue on rely on Drupal.org search tool, well it's your choice!!!

Wolfflow’s picture

Wolfflow commented

@HansBKK, with all respect about your comment, but It's not anymore my burden to spend my time in such IMO ridiculous and pathetic arguments.

Kind Regards

Wolfflow’s picture

Wolfflow commented

@Lee Hunter.

I would very much want to encourage ESL speakers to use Drupal,

With all respect but exactly this page that from the beginning I as no-native English should had build only on my own Site is the real Testimony that it helped me a lot to understand somehow the postings, issue and comments on Drupal.org. And this fact shows with evidence the necessity of a kind of "Actual Used Terms and expression on D.O.", page. To have this page that it's just of general use, will also motivate Users to clear Terms, Expressions and Acronyms further, and it also testimony of open minded Drupal.org Management. If you ignore this fact, your statement is really IMO a bit hypocritical.

Kind Regards

Wolfflow’s picture

Wolfflow commented

@Dman With all respect for your comment but:

The mis-spelled mistake cannot help anyone looking to learn or understand discussions, and would in fact confuse them more.

This is false and erroneous, if you show up the difference of two similar terms and the misspelled or mispronounced term you contribute to more understanding.

That is a principle of Pedagogy

Kind Regards

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heine commented
Status: Active » Fixed

From #339489: Please reset my account to a normal registered user.:

Doc-Team sharks

You stamped your foot and left the room. Please stay put.

Wolfflow’s picture

Wolfflow commented

@Heine - sorry but do not understand what you mean.

heine’s picture

heine commented

Sorry for the Denglish (== Dutch English).

Please do not continue this thread.

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