By jdblank on
We would are looking to offer a bounty to create a module that will allow you to post a link in a similar manner to Facebook.
Basically you enter a URL and the module grabs a title, short description and a set of representative images. You can then add your own description or comments and post as a node.
Please let me know if this is something that you are interested in.
We are happy to release the module to the entire community.
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web links module
Maybe you should take a look http://drupal.org/project/weblinks
Absolutely
And Comparison of Links Page modules.
NancyDru
Thanks. I checked out those
Thanks. I checked out those modules previously. But what I am really looking for is more of a webclipping module rather than just a links listing module. One where it captures elements from the remote site. I don't see that as a feature on any of these.
Well...
Are there any samples of things that do this? If so, open a feature request on Web Links. We will evaluate it and add it if possible. We do already have a request for capturing thumbnails.
NancyDru
The poster already provided a
The poster already provided a sample, facebook links. A clear, well known example of a great feature that really has nothing to do with access, categorization or display of links but specifically the automated retrieval of pictures and summary, as the link text is entered/copied into a textarea, or at least as a background process.
While that kind of functionality could (should) be integrated into weblinks, I think it's obvious that the poster wants to pay for a solution, not resort to taking on a module that doesn't even do the job yet, with the hope that a feature request will spontaneously blossom into an accurate (and timely) solution.
Drupal developers, your module is not the answer to everything. People have needs/wants that aren't satisfied by existing solutions, and simply grouping their requests into the closest existing category is frustrating I'm sure, especially when they're offering $$$ to have it done!
I hope that's received well since it's something I've been wanting to say for a while.
Now, I'm a big fan of facebook links and would like to see the feature implemented in Drupal, so contact me if you're still looking/interested.
Hmm...
Perhaps it never occurred to either of you that there are a few people left in the world who are NOT on Facebook (or Twitter, or Digg...). It would also be nice to have an example where I can see what happens "under the covers" so that I can make an attempt to add it to Web Links.
While I am a fan of money, it really makes no difference in this case. I want a feature something like this in Web Links; I just don't know how to do it at them moment. And then there is the question of time too; I do have a real life to lead.
NancyDru
You've never used facebook?
You've never used facebook? You actively develop a module that is at least half aimed at online communities and yet you haven't made yourself at all familiar with THE most popular/successful/widely used community site? Excuse me but that sounds ignorant.
FTR. I don't expect unpaid developers to work to ANY schedule, but once again, I'm guessing that's why the poster is offering payment for a solution.
No
No, I have not used Facebook. And I don't appreciate the insult.
NancyDru
Didnt you see my 'sounds' in
Didnt you see my 'sounds' in italics and everything? I understand that facebook hasn't flooded every corner of the earth, yet, but from your grammar I assumed you were from an english speaking country and, like the rest of us, would still be getting daily facebook invites if you didn't already take the plunge and try it out.
So whether you're from some obscure country that facebook hasn't reached, or you simply have something against a free service that lets you communicate with all your old friends, find and make new friends, share photos with said friends and ALL the rest while at the same time giving you complete control over what and how much you share, you really should at least check out how it works so next time when someone references fb, especially as it pertains to web development, you can avoid sounding like someone in a tin hat.
Again
I will be getting onto FB soon because I have a customer that will be using it. However, it is simply a matter of having time to get involved in something that is not a current need. I already participate in several "communities" and don't have the time to put into them that others feel I should. Keeping a roof over my head and food on my table comes first.
Yes, I am from the USA.
Now, as to FB as a model, I doubt seriously that, even if I did religiously subscribe to it now, it would let me see the internals of how they do what is being asked for here. Knowing that it grabs a picture from the site doesn't tell me anything. I need to know HOW they do it in order to duplicate that in Web Links. And I have to know what options are available for the wide variety of users in Drupal (one size does not fit all here).
Perhaps my "tin hat" limits what I know about FB right now, but yours seems to limit what you know about maintaining a module for the Drupal community. Check my profile and see how many I have to support.
NancyDru
Wow
In the time you have spent criticizing the module developer for not being familiar with Facebook, you could have taken action to explain it. Saying someone "sounds ignorant" is rude no matter how much you italicize the word "sounds." I was rather surprised you did not apologize.
Maybe Facebook is "THE most popular/successful/widely used community site" today, but wasn't it just MySpace last week and won't it be Twitter in about a month? Some people work for a living and don't hop on every internet trend that comes around the bend. Some people don't really need to know that their friend went to see Transformers 2 over the weekend in order to feel connected to them. I only started using Twitter in the last month. Hope that doesn't sound too ignorant.
In short, not everyone is you and it is narrow-minded to think they are.
NOW, in terms of the Feature request, I uploaded a little screen capture of Facebook in action at:
http://motioncity.com/demo/facebookDemo.mov
It happens rather quick, but here is what happens.
• You enter your message in the text field and include a page url.
• The url is detected and turned into a link
• The text area expands (Ajax?)
• Facebook scans the page and presents a series of thumbnails representing images on the page.
• It also seems to pull the page description from meta name="description"
• The end user can scroll through a series of thumbnails and choose which one to associate with the post.
• The finished post includes the picture and the description.
I hope that explains what the original poster was looking for. I think it is a rather challenging feature to add. But, it seems like at least a few people are interested in seeing this feature developed. I may be in a position to kick in some money to fund this and I certainly would be able to spend time testing a module.
I hope this helps clarify things in a constructive way.
A list of some of the Drupal sites I have designed and/or developed can be viewed at motioncity.com
Thanks
Yes, I can see that it might be daunting, but not impossible - especially with the clues you provided. Now to find some time...
NancyDru
The functionality was already
The functionality was already explained, I even clarified it, but it's obvious the developer was too caught up showing off how she wasn't a part of the facebook 'fad'. If she really couldn't understand (didn't read) the explanationS then she should have googled it, or is google a fad too? In that case, register a dummy account and in 5 minutes you can see it first hand. Either of those options would have been quicker than complaining and waiting for someone to describe it (or having some brown noser post a screencast).
If you're comparing facebook and twitter then you're being ignorant in just the same way. Twitter is great, for some people, to do some things. Facebook is infinitely more successful, and there is a reason. It's because they haven't stopped creating and evolving ideas and features and functions, which has made the site incredibly useful, to the point that it's a necessity, even for people like you.
You can make statements like "Some people don't really need to know that their friend went to see Transformers 2 over the weekend in order to feel connected to them.", and be saluted by all the other try hards who are busy feeling good about being so alternative, but the truth is, that's like saying there's something wrong with the internet, because of all the crap it contains.
The facebook team long ago knew about the potential problems that would arise from such a vast and popular online community, so they went to a lot of effort to provide solutions to those concerns and I'm betting those solutions were implemented long before you even realized you could get some (meaningless) peer approval by blatantly, and under the guise of a real person with a real concern, rejecting something so mainstream.
Facebook's commitment to usability and user experience has produced features like the ability to completely control what is displayed in a users feeds, so they can't complain about having crap forced down their throats OR the privacy controls through which a user can configure their account to any degree of privacy, from broadcasting every event/action to being completely invisible.
Face it, it's a great application/platform, a revolution, incomparable to myspace or twitter, and I think the mere fact that a Drupal developer thinks he/she can s#*t all over it shows the real problem with the Drupal community and Drupal module maintainers, arrogance and ignorance.
Which brings me to maintaining a module for the drupal community.
I consider myself quite familiar with the ins and outs of what it takes to maintain a Drupal module, and according to me, it goes a little something like this...
Fred (the developer) plays around with php a fair bit and obviously enjoys the engineering aspect of programming but can't seem to put it all together into a successful project due to a lack of understanding of the enormity of the whole process (not uncommon or wrong). Then Fred discovers Drupal and is immediately excited by it. After breaching the "I suck" threshold (lame name by the way), Fred is very chuffed with himself and starts calling himself a Drupal developer. So now Fred apparently has all the tools and knowledge he needs to produce some great work, but it still isn't happening. Fred, like so many of us, fears failure and finds some relief in good ol' coding. Then he sees his opportunity. Module development.
Before long he's up to his neck in the development of one or more (more is better) super duper modules which of course he releases for free as a way to give back to the Drupal community. He has a long list of issues submitted by a long list of people who have not yet given up trying to make a successful site out of Drupal (and 10+-, apprently optional, behemoths of modules) without knowing any PHP or JS. This notoriety affords him a sense of worth as a developer which is then supplemented by the feeling he gets from doing it all without being paid. In his mind, he is a giver, and if it ever gets to much, or if anyone ever suggests that he's made a mistake, he can come at them with 'I don't get paid, and I'm very very busy! Check out my issue queue! I'm a saint!" Basically, after all of it, he's unaccountable, and motivated by something completely separate to the needs of the users.
The Drupal community as a whole does a good job of encouraging this. Their stories are similar, and this results in the whole lot of them getting around like they've invented electricity (but forgot to make it usable), constantly patting each other on the back, muttering praises about the community and having endless discussions about the 'extensibility' and 'modularity' of Drupal while ignoring the fact that a huge portion of their user base are simply kids, dreamers and no hopers who will never produce anything of value from Drupal.
As far as I'm concerned, the fundamental flaw of Drupal is the intense focus on modularity and how it aims to be a, somewhat, out of the box solution. Contrib module developers spend so much time/code creating massively bloated modules that integrate with views and cck (and the other "optional" modules) but in the end still require further contrib modules (or hacking) to produce original/correct (situation specific) behavior, i.e. good internet.
Drupal contrib module maintainers satisfy the group of people that will never make anything of their attempts with Drupal, because anyone who wants to do anything serious will either re-engineer all contrib functionality or simply move onto something that isn't so limiting.
Maintainer note: Ad hominem attack deleted.
I didn't realize I was
I didn't realize I was dealing with a complete internet troll. Of course you looked at our websites. That is because we have them and put them out there. You have, what, a facebook page?
Steve you are a complete and utter jackass on so many levels. I really don't want to waste my time with you. Sounds like you got it all figured out anyway. Don't bother replying to this. I've skimmed through the tripe you posted and recognize you are a lost cause.
You may have got past the "You suck" stage developing Drupal sites, but as a human being , you suck.
A list of some of the Drupal sites I have designed and/or developed can be viewed at motioncity.com
You're WAY out of line. You
You're WAY out of line. You should read your comment again.
It seems to me that you are the disgrace.
facebook is a great platform, but a "revolution" I don't think so. Even if it IS the best webapp ever, so what?? It doesn't mean that I use it, or that it's a necessity for anybody.
It seems that you can quite easily find fault with Drupal contrib module maintainers, and the Drupal community as a whole, and yet you are posting a comment on D.O - I don't get it.
If you like facebook so much, great! Go hang out there. Or better yet, go outside and breathe some fresh air.
ssherrie:
Hey. Listen. Closely. Hopefully you were just really steamed at the moment... maybe not though. I'll personally give you the benefit of the doubt because everyone gets out of line at one point or another -- it's human nature. The difference between someone who crossed the line in the heat of the moment and someone who is a perpetual jerk is the former usually has the decency and humility to realize their mistake and simply offer an apology, while the latter usually continues to argue and ignorantly cite things as ad hominem attacks when the fact is that their original statement was an ab initio argumentum ab absurdo.
Either way, I consider an insult to a drupal member to be an insult to the drupal community, of which I am a part. That said, if insulting someone were a crime (short of libel, of course), I'd personally throw your ass in jail faster than you could look up the meaning of whatever it is I just wrote.
Get your act together.
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Web Links is great but...
I love web links. But I do not think it offers the functionality the OP was asking about. He was looking for something that would do more than associate an icon with a url. He wanted you to take a page link, and show multiple images on that page. From there you can select which one(s) are associated with the url.
Correct me if I am wrong, but web links does not offer that capability. Neither do the other modules in that comparison.
[edit] ... and now that I post this I see the OP has posted a similar reply. So the search continues.
A list of some of the Drupal sites I have designed and/or developed can be viewed at motioncity.com
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Ad hominem attacks have no place in the Drupal community.
Sorry to see a thread of some potential use get derailed.
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We have this feature on our
We have this feature on our current site. When we move this site to Drupal (as soon as we find a programmer) we're going to need this feature too.
What our code does is grab multiple photos on the page and the page title. You need to create an account to see it work, but you can try it here, http://bit.ly/Tin90.
Contact me if you feel our code can make your life easier.