Posted by trueMarketing on February 26, 2010 at 5:18pm
I decided to have my developers step it up a few notches and develop our most beautiful Drupal theme to date for: http://www.ThemeSnap.com.
The theme can be previewed here and will be up for sale by later this afternoon:
http://themesnap.com/theme-demos/unite-business/
Unite Theme Features
- Valid XHTML Strict and CSS
- 2 slide show options: jQuery cycle and GalleryView
- Superfish Top Nav Dropdown Menu
- PSD files included
- 5 pre-made skins with custom graphics
- Portfolio page with themed preview windows
- Pull-down administrative login (click the login link in the top nav to preview)
- Compatibility (IE 6, IE 7 , IE 8 , Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome)
Drupal Modules Used
- Views
- Taxonomy_blocks
- Simplenews
- Montharchive
- Imagefield
- Imagecache
- ImageAPI
- Filefield
- Date
- CCK
- Admin_menu
Some other inclusions were Fancybox jQuery, Cufon jQuery, and a lot of development love to get this theme where is is today.
Let us know what you think by commenting below. We have another few BIG projects in the pipeline.
Thanks!
Brian
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how beautiful. how much will
how beautiful. how much will that cost?
Thanks for the reply!
Hi socialtalker -- it's already up on ThemeSnap.com, listed at only $99!
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You selling your theme ...
You selling your theme ... thats lame. It's based on this awesome free open-source CMS. Not cool.
... It's not even that good
Why don't you ask for a donation instead?
Perhaps you haven't seen/read Drupal's GPL?
Hi arkad,
I appreciate the time you took to respond but there is nothing being done against Drupal's GPL. Please read the licensing information found here (#7 specifically): http://drupal.org/licensing/faq
We, in fact, say in our own TOS that modules, PHP, and anything that interacts with Drupal is not ours and you can do with it what you want. But the CSS, the theme's design/images, and perhaps even certain JS that is called by the browser (does not interact with Drupal) isn't governed by the GPL. We've contributed many themes to Drupal to date, and will have a few free ones even on ThemeSnap.com. But anyway... sorry you feel bothered by our theme or don't like it.
Warm regards
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Selling themes
There's nothing uncool about selling themes. Unlike modules, which can be made for a client and then contributed back, themes created for a client rarely can be. The only way we're going to build up a wide selection of Drupal themes if for there to be a selling based economy around them. While giving back themes for free is great where possible, selling them also helps Drupal. It's simply a different economy than modules, which are generally not sold.
Michelle
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Well said...
Michelle,
I agree 100%. The basis or starting point of our selling Drupal themes was because I kept reading and hearing that Drupal themes aren't as good as WordPress, Joomla, etc. Quite frankly, I got tired of hearing those comments and decided to show first hand that Drupal themes can be beautiful and on the same playing field as WP and Joomla. IMO, there's not many better ways to increase the acceptance of a CMS versus nice themes to choose from. This is especially true to help attract the people considering Drupal as their new CMS platform.
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I strongly disagree. You
I strongly disagree. You should be so luckly that the community of deveolpers that worked on drupal from 1-7 have given this away. This is a quailty base that is worth thousands of dollars. and here you come trying to make a buck out of it.
It sounds like you think that if you give it away for free then no one if going to take you seriously. Yet time and time again this has been proven wrong. linux, GNU, unix, Gimp, blender, drupal .. to name but a few that are intergrated on huge platforms. And I would be hard pressed to find a module for sale ... So why themes? both are art forms and both survive off this free economy that is being pushed by many pc related companies.
I have no problem with donating. Users decide on the value of the product thereby forcing the creators of the said product to produce something of a high standard. Charge for support. Or go create themes for corporate CMS's ... o wait, the market is really small for that ... seeing as drupal, joomla , modx are all free.
+ designers make themes look good , developers make themes. anyone can take the Zen theme and make it look stylish if he/she is a designer.
As for this being a different economy .. rubbish. drupal has a integrated CVS system for the contributing of themes, creating a community enviromnent to design and develop bigger and better themes that a selling ecomony of the 1900's can never create. check out mustardseedmedia.com ... CVS for themers.
...you upsetting the balance man...
i'll be the first one to donate if you make your themes free.
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You've been a member for 3 weeks. I suggest you take more time to learn how things work around here. My statement is based on years of being an active member of this community and hardly "rubbish".
Michelle
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There's nothing wrong to sell Theme.
D.O is a free community, If someone sell their Theme on their site or Contribute theme and hosted it here in D.O, there's nothing wrong with that, you can do it freely.
There's nothing wrong to sell a Theme you have created your own, if you wish you can do it too...
You won't find modules being
You won't find modules being sold because they can't be. By their nature they integrate too heavily with drupal itself to qualify for anything but GPL2+ like the rest of Drupal.
That said, there's certainly nothing wrong with making a buck... it's irritating when the zealots of various OSS communities respond with hostility towards a businessman. So his business plan doesn't look like yours would if your places were reversed, that's "OK". If you really think he's wrong found a company on your outlined planned. That's your prerogative as a human being, just as it's his prerogative to SELL his themes.
Eclipse
Drupal Evangelist
Selling Drupal
See sections 6 through 9 and especially 9: http://drupal.org/licensing/faq#q6
Yes, see section 7, as it
Yes, see section 7, as it pretty much specifically covers the theme use case of "CSS and Images are not GPL2+".
Eclipse
Drupal Evangelist
Only 99?
All that custom work for 99 is a steal - absolutely beautiful. I particularly appreciate Michelle's work on the Advanced Profile Kit. That really helped me understand Views and Panels.
Erm...
I don't actually have anything to do with the theme that's being sold here. :) Glad APK was of help to you, though.
Michelle
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It was a Beautiful Theme!
Wow, congrats! it was really a Beautiful Theme
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Its nice looking, but I have a few concerns, I've emailed them over to you.
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xHTML/CSS theme
http://para.llel.us/themes/unite/
We bought the rights to distribute
Hi,
We bought the rights to port to Drupal, maintain, provide support, and distribute this theme. :)
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Unite is beautiful template. Good luck on this..
You right Michelle, what the
You right Michelle, what the hell was I thinking.
Just a question though ... If experience counts for so much why did Xerox fail to see the value of the graphical user interface and mouse? Why did Alan Greenspan only lower the Federal funds rate by 1% for more then a year allowing huge amounts of "easy" credit-based money? Why did Einstein, even though this theory stated the plausibility of splitting the atom , not believe that critical mass could be achieved .. and I quote "It is as likely to shooting birds in a country that has few birds. In the dark."
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No, what was I thinking? Of course someone brand new to a community knows far more about its inner workings than someone who is actually familiar with the community. So carry on passing judgment. You obviously know better than us poor deluded old timers. And the fact that even famous people make mistakes sometimes clearly shows that experience counts for nothing. Wow, maybe all of us with Drupal experience should just step aside and let the new folks finish up Drupal 7.
Michelle
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Sometimes it's just not worth it
LMAO. That made my morning :)
I feel that, even with the GPL spelled out very clearly for Drupal as far as themes go, there's always going to be those who will just not read and accept it for what it is -- literally and legally. I'm very excited that Drupal decided that there's a real need for better designs and increasing acceptance of Drupal based on those new designs.
Anyhow, this post got way outta hand with the GPL stuff. Seems like that's always a trend when posting anything about themes on Drupal. Go figure. :-\
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What we are talking about has
What we are talking about has nothing to do with drupal core or css integration with php standards etc ( although all of these issues are in an open based environment - and look are creative these coders are getting, in fact I doubt you would have the ease of themeing without them ). If it did I would humbly ask for your advice. This is an ideology based on a new "free" market .. . .. sort of like a cult.
If you think that the drupal themeing community can grow and develop based on users buying themes then fine. I disagree and believe it will become even more creative as an open community based on creative common licences. In fact there are already a number of well developed themes out there that are used in CVS integration, and they are getting a lot better ... faster.
Go for it .. Sell your themes.
Also I was not trying to make the point that experience counts for nothing, just the fact that even with experience sometimes you can be wrong about something ... Einstein did go on to write a letter to Roosenvelt stating that the US should develop the a-bomb after being convinced by Teller and the gang.
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Actaully dude this is incorrect. It doesn't matter a sparrow fart what you *think*, what counts is what is actually happening - and there's a pretty big gap between reality and your belief system.
Because you have only been here for 5 minutes you simply don't understand that long history of Drupal themes and how the commercial themes evolved and why they evolved.
Drupal languished for years (more than 6 years at least) as the ugly duckling in the CMS world, there are many reasons for this not least of which is that building beautiful well crafted Drupal themes is hard, it takes a lot of work, much more than building a Joomla or Wordpress theme. Why do you think there are only 400 or so contrib themes (after 7 years....) yet in the same space of time there are 3500 Wordpress themes - both systems are GPL after all. Apparently being free does not beget choice automagically.
Of course difficulty is just one reason... the other big reason is that for Wordpress and Joomla there are thousands of commercial vendors who release free themes to help promote their commercial interests. Those communities were able to avoid the OSS fundamentalists and simply forged ahead based on a distributed model and rampant commercialism. Is the world worse off because of this? I don't think so.
The other thing you are clearly missing is this, most of the good free themes in Drupal contrib are in fact built by professionals. Many are not, but look at the most popular ones - mainly built by people who make their daily bread from Drupal.
You are a dinosaur my friend - time to upgrade that belief system and understand that GPL + commercialism can work hand in hand, and in fact they need each other. That is the simple reality shown to us by many other FOSS projects. If you want to go on banging your drum, go right ahead, but lets end this silly debate here and now, the jury is out dude, that ship sailed a long, long time ago.
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"the jury is out dude, that
"the jury is out dude, that ship sailed a long, long time ago"
- not to sure what you are talking about. based on most of the biggest oss's there is very little comericial relationship besides support. Anyone paying for ubuntu or any of it's products? what about blender and the add-ons? Has anyone paid for javascript , or jquery? What about mySql or apache? Even Orcale gives away it's product to an extent - and now that they have bought out sun do not intend to sell mySql. As for drupal being an ugly duckly, well that is your point of view and i think if might be hard to argue this point with someone who has a vested interest in themeing being a commerical entity.
SELL YOUR DAMN THEMES. go for it! Drupal is what it is because of
it's development in shifting php programming ideas not because it looks pretty. and you should be so gratful.
"It doesn't matter a sparrows fart what you think" - very mature. This coming from someone who wants to contribute to a community based CMS.
listen i don't want to argue .. you do your thing. i hope you make alot of money.
well that is your point of
You've been here 5 minutes, what would you know? Go back and read the last 5 years worth of posts about this. I challenge you go and install Drupal 4.7 and find a nice theme for it, or even a half decent starter theme...
Stop throwing stones then, pretty simple man.
I just purchased Navicat Pro, it cost a lot and works with MySQL and Oracle, your above examples are flawed.
Lastly, don't preach down to me about being grateful, what have you given back to Drupal? You seem to be overlooking that I am a core contributor to this project.... do your homework.
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You are right Jeff ... I'm
You are right Jeff ... I'm sorry. Thank you for your contributions to drupal. You have some really good themes.
Subscribing. Your opinions
Subscribing. Hi, Timothy, your opinions are very interesting as I have a plan, future plan, to sell themes like the great themesnap guy here.
Do you think donation will make a better business than commercial themes? I've seen drupal.org/project/wysiwyg raise a chipin for quite some time, but no one seems to donate so far. I myself am afraid can't donate yet because I am jobless with two kids and a wife. If you see the usage statistics (http://drupal.org/project/usage/wysiwyg), there are at least 61,795 people use it, and no one cares to donate for such a great module. Are they all jobless like me?
It's really discouraging to hope for donation seeing no one donates after all these years to wysiwyg project, and I saw you use it as well (http://drupal.org/node/397648#comment-2591026), have you been the first to donate, btw? Well, I am not questioning your real points on this thread, but can you clarify donation and commercial fart please? You seem to know what you are saying. This will help a lot.
Thanks your kind reply.
love, light n laughter
Creative Commons
Hi gausarts
I never did manage to solve the problem I was having with FCKeditor. I then used CKeditor with better luck ( kinda) and am currently very happy using Wizzywig. I have not donated to this project, a hypocrit ... maybe. Currently I am earning $714.00 on a good month and am struggling just to make it every month.
I am sure there are many out there who dont have jobs or a resource to support these modules with real dollars, and hope they contribute with helping improve the module or helping others. I have not done this either because of inexperience and I put alot of time into learning drupal so that I can eventually contribute properly.
The reason that people are out of work though is because of this out dated economic model based on hedonism and greed. It will never work. the rich will get richer and the poor with steal from the rich in a retarded cycle of stupification. these software giants are changing this model. It is the front of a complete conscious paradigm. No one pays for google products ( I use almost all of them ) yet it is one of the most successful companies in the world. Linux is another model that is even further beyond. On a whole other level to microsoft, why anyone is still using windows is beyond me.
Money does not exist, your dollar is based on debt, that same debt that is making thousands of people homeless because one man made one decision.
I do not understand how creating a theme can be more complex to creating the modules such as view, cck or the like. And maybe i dont know what I am taking about but for theming to be the only area in drupal where ppl think its ok to sell their product - well that does not make sense to me, with that being said there are awesome based themes to work off already. I thought artists where into freedom and revolution.
"clarify donation and commercial fart please?" - not to sure what you are trying to say here. But to put it simply there are other ways to make money. You do not have to sell a product to do it. Look at acquia's business model, check out creative commons http://creativecommons.org/.
http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/videos/ - check out the 3rd video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2jCbXiEQI4
peace.
Ah, yes of course. Nice to
Ah, yes of course. Nice to have real conversations down here. I was very disturbed by your early speeches, but thanks for clarifying things. It's all clear now. About that "commercial fart", My "laughter" was taking over my "love, light" and I can't help joking :) Cheers.
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I don't believe anyone has
I don't believe anyone has the right to tell others not to charge for their work. You should understand that better than others, since you say you are struggling with money even on a good month. With any open source community, people contribute what they can.
Hey... you can always just create a kick ass theme and release it for free. Lead by example.
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I do not understand how
Good question and worth shedding some light on.
In short...
- modules can be built by one person (a programmer) and dont have to worry about things like browser compatibility etc.
- themes require either two people or one very special person who can both design AND code (these people are extremely rare).
Also...
- module code can be re-used, over and over. Think of API's.
- designs can only be used once. Ever.
To build a really top contrib theme takes between 50 and 100 hours of work, often more. Crappy to average contrib themes can be knocked up in under a couple of days if you have the right starter theme to build on. Problem is no one wants the crappy theme, they all want the highly configurable, colorable, feature rich themes - these take a long, long time to build.
Views and CCK are not good examples - especially Views (and Panels) which are by and large heavily backed projects paid for by Sony. While there are public submissions to these projects the fact that Merlin works for Sony and these modules are used extensively by Sony makes it pretty clear where the moolah is coming from. Don't think for one second those large contrib modules are done for free - that is simply not the case in many instances. I would hazard a guess that the majority of the large well supported projects are born out of commercial operations, because of the simple fact that no-one has that much free time to contribute. Everyone needs to earn a living, feed their families, put roofs over their heads.
Your notion that artists are into freedom and revolution is naive - art and design is a profession, not a political movement. Designers are entitled to charge for their works as much as my accountant is for hers. Give some respect please, your attitude verges on offensive.
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Was Sony
This is an OT nitpick but, while Sony does get credit for what they did in the past, there's a new company who should get credit for the present... :) http://www.angrydonuts.com/on-joining-io1
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cool, good spotting!
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One of the best Drupal themes
One of the best Drupal themes i've seen. We need more themes like this, free or not. Great job.
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Thanks Jimzhou247
I appreciate the reply and appreciation for porting this theme to Drupal.
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I also appreciate the great point made above regarding the WYSIWYG module having nearly 70k users and barely any contributions. I don't know how many times I've seen this on Drupal (and other sites like WordPress as well). I just feel that if may module maintainers relied on contributions by the actual # of users, then the ratio of contributions to the number of themes sold would be 1:1000 or even a larger disparity between contributions and actual users. Further, even that 1:1000 contribution made would be like $5 to $15. So, 1000 people just downloaded my theme and my efforts, support, and willingness to create more themes is only worth $15?
I guess what I don't get is that if I'm a Drupal designer/developer and I charged one client $5000 for a one-off Drupal design/development project and they were paying for the design/development work itself, then why can't a theme be sold to 5 or 500 people for a small charge as well? It's really just the same except more people buy it with the idea that's it's not exclusive to their website. Maybe that's my off-kilter thought process hard at work though...
We've been involved in creating several free modules and also themes contributed back to Drupal, so I think it's great to give back and expect nothing in return besides a little recognition or accolades. But giving away everything and working countless thousands upon thousands of combined hours (design, slicing, development, support, etc) is just not in the cards. So, it's either some affordable themes at a reasonable price or no themes at all :(
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haha this is a good
haha this is a good thread...a little ridiculous, but good stuff!
Please sell your themes if you think they are worth it and don't listen to anyone trying to tell you it is wrong to do so. Your time and skills are valuable and you deserve to be compensated. And to anyone who says you should ask for donations, you have obviously never asked for donations on a theme/module because then you would know that you aren't going to make more than a few dollars.
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Give some respect please,
Give some respect please, your attitude verges on offensive.”
In what way am I being offensive ... because I have different view on something .. wtf?
Im sorry for every bringing any of this up. I think Im going to go work for microsoft, at least they are honest about their greed.
Stuff you pretentious close minded, corporate robots (That was an insult - take offense)
Let's face it: money is the
Let's face it: money is the primary motivator for working with Drupal.
The cost of creating an intelligent web app from scratch is astounding. It is 10 times more expensive than designing a layout-- when you consider the time it takes to create something that actually works right.
If my only real expense is paying some service for a custom layout, then I am doing something right.
Drupal is creating jobs. What's so wrong with that?
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Yes, your view is offensive - your narrow minded stereotyping of artists is very offensive to me - you may well be expressing your view, but if you can't take criticism for it then don't put it out in public. And yes, I do ask you to show some respect, I and many others work extremely hard so you and everyone else can have quality free software. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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Thank you all for
Thank you all for participating in this open forum. I am currently completing my PH.D in economics on the relationship between free market adaption and not for profit organizations and its effects on 3rd world communities. Its focus is mainly on the two recent market crashes of 2001 and more recently in 2009 and its sociological circumstance with the divide between profit and non for profit companies. Although my focus is mainly concerned with the development of free economics in third world countries and their community impact, I do however have a section concerning open source software and the alternatives in profit generation and the impact it has on communities and business (again mainly concerning the third world) however with Linux playing such a large role in the development of third world countries adapting to technologies and the role in developing economic structures to benefit and contribute, I also includes sub sections on ubuntu, drupal and apache.
I will be including sections of the discussions in the paper and will be referencing this page. The names of users in my paper will be changed to “anonymous”.
If any of the users who participated in this online forum have any problems or inquires on the for mentioned information please contact me at masonikryt@gmail.com
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So this was all a troll to get people riled up for your paper? Not cool. Keep my words out of it, anonymous or not. I don't grant you any rights to use any of my writing.
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Wonder where the consensus lies on unpublishing this thread since the user in question wasn't upfront about what he planned to do with the comments of others? Thus making the users citations in a thesis, moot.
Unpublishing
I would be fine with it but it started out being a theme announcement so it would be good if the OP could weigh in on that.
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Crappola!
I do not give this person any rights to posting my comments in any paper either FWIW.
I can't believe that posting a thread for a new theme could've turned into this side-tracked rant that was caused for self gain.
I'm with Jeff B., Michelle, and WorldFallz on this one 100%. I don't want to be anyone's guinea pig for some paper I never knew I was involved in -- if that is truly the case here. Incredible!
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You need to get out more, seriously.
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Don't they teach ethics in universities anymore? Conducting your research online does not exempt you from obtaining permission from participants prior to beginning your study. I have half a mind to report you to your university. Seriously uncool and unethical.
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Don't be a Help Vampire - read and abide the forum guidelines.
If you find my assistance useful, please pay it forward to your fellow drupalers.
I don't believe all of this
I don't believe all of this was for a paper you are supposedly writing. If it is true, that makes you more of a douchebag in my book.
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These opinions are my own,
These opinions are my own, and were not construed in a Milgram type experiment. I only concluded the addition of this material after comments made by “Jeff Burnz” and “Dudeoflife”. Their viewpoint correlates with a section on the inference of FOSS and its contributor’s perceptions to bona fide conjectures preconceived by senior management of for-profit organizations. “Jeff Burnz" being an active drupal contributor would have strengthened the validity of my paper. As well as the success of drupal as a free content management system and open source project, would further amalgamate what I would hope my professor would perceive be a well presented and innovative thesis.
It is unfortunate you think this is unethical and I will be removing any material I have written on the subject. Although I might have been bias in my response, I did not lead this conversation or intend for it to be included in my subject. I can assure you that most multinationals conduct far more intrusive experimentation in human sociology under "ethical" court orders, without participant consent.
I will most certainly still be receiving my P.H D without the addition of this segment.
Good luck with your book jimzhou247.
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I have participated in two real PHD research studdies - on both occassions I was contacted privately, emailed a list of questions and the actual research was carried out over the phone. Both were in conjuntion with my involvment with FOSS and the Drupal project, and in fact, on both occasions I was paid (in Amazon book vouchers).
Sorry, but I just don't buy it.
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Hahaha. Why are we talking
Hahaha.
Why are we talking about a PHD dissertation in a theme announcement?
Here's an idea for your dissertation:
Rather than discuss the open source community's effect on third world nations which, by the way, nobody cares about, discuss its effect on the upwardly mobile, technologically inclined, but economically challenged American or European. A G700 Greek, or a poor American dude like me: A hard working fellow who works his job, pays the bills, and moonlights as a web developer, hoping to make the next big thing.
I +1 the notion of getting out and maybe catching a few breaths of fresh air, too.
Is this thread still going because SOMEBODY here just has to get the LAST WORD?
Nice theme, btw.
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I'm proud to say I purchased
I'm proud to say I purchased this theme for modification, it is currently in use at www.thejetrest.com - an ubercart powered store.
It needed a few tweaks to reduce the javascript size (LiberationSans.font.js) and has a small issue with IE8 in the Gallery function. But other than this, works great.
I usually build my own themes, but in this instance comparing the cost of my time for the client against an off-the-shelf starting point at $99 made the decision for us.
There are hundreds of free drupal themes, I've used and modified many, but when it comes to beautiful graphics and all those extras, I am in agreement that a cost has to be attached to the product. Post sale support for this theme has been good too. I firmly believe we need commercial themes, it encourages progress.
Paul
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Very nice theme. I really
Very nice theme. I really like it and plan to buy it soon..
Great Job
smartpanty- Now that's a
smartpanty-
Now that's a nice, professional looking site.
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smartpaRty not smartpaNty -
smartpaRty not smartpaNty - what were you thinking when you wrote that? :D
Thank you for your feedback on the website, a lot of hard work gone in to that so far, your comments are much appreciated.
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I see there are 5 skins for
I see there are 5 skins for this theme..Is there a way to see the different skins before buying the theme?
thanks
Beautiful theme...good work. Worth buying it.
Beautiful theme...good work. Worth buying it.
It is good to pay for a working & ready to use theme than downloading a free theme and spending few days with it.
free drupal themes
The themes are beautiful but
The themes are beautiful but i want to know if them all work with Drupal 7 too?
I love Drupal CMS