The Downtown Los Angeles Drupal group at http://groups.drupal.org/node/219129 is now Greater Los Angeles Drupal. We've updated all of our pages and other websites (Meetup.com, Twitter, Facebook, Vimeo and Google+), but the old 'downtown-los-angeles' path alias here on Drupal Groups remains the same. Please update the group's path alias to 'glad' (i.e. http://groups.drupal.org/glad). Thanks!

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sreynen commented
Status: Active » Postponed (maintainer needs more info)

The new name, "Greater Los Angeles Drupal" sounds like it is no longer different from http://groups.drupal.org/la in geographic focus. Is that correct?

I see the description still mentions a distinction of governance, which is good to see. I just want to make sure I'm correct that you're no longer implying any distinction in geography.

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christefano commented

Geography here in the Los Angeles area is a tricky subject. For the the past year or so, the "LA Drupal" group has had limited itself and its advocacy of Drupal to coastal cities, mostly Long Beach and Playa del Rey (and Santa Monica prior to that, but no longer).

There's nothing wrong with that. As a point of comparison (which this issue is about), our group has only grown in the past year or so and clearly serves a larger area in cities including Pasadena, Ventura, the West Valley, Downtown Los Angeles, and soon Orange County. All these are in the Greater Los Angeles Area, hence the name change.

edit: updating the part about Santa Monica.

I'm sure we'll be discussing this at Tuesday's governance meetup:

   http://groups.drupal.org/node/289988

Afterward we'll have a better answer from the group and update the "What's different about this group" section of the group mission.

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Chris Charlton
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@sreynen, your analysis is correct.

Please deny this request.

I have been an LA Drupal manager for half a decade. Geography in the Los Angeles area is not a tricky subject, but Christefano will try to make a case to outsiders that there isn't overlap with the existing LA Drupal group when clearly there is. Having more than one Los Angeles Drupal user group brings confusion and affects communicating efforts to new and existing members. We cannot do that to our community.

The main LA Drupal umbrella group encompasses *ALL* of Los Angeles County. Our annual camp reaches 400 attendees and has taken place in the city of Irvine (Orange County) for the last few years. The notion we're only coastal is more semantic wordplay and reality distortion Christefano is notorious for. We do not engage in duplicating efforts and give sub-groups/members a platform to host & promote their Drupal related events.

The other LA Drupal organizers do not support this move I am calling for the denial of this request, and any other tickets related to it.

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christefano commented

sreynen: I've updated the GLAD group mission with more details about how it differs from other groups, including the "LA Drupal" group.

In summary, GLAD differs from the "LA Drupal" group in several ways. We're highly collaborative and have tons of meetups; GLAD covers a larger and therefore a different geographic area; and GLAD organizers are dedicated to governing ourselves and all GLAD activity in a consistent and transparent manner.

Collaboration

I've added this here to address the accusation at #3 about confusing new and existing members.

We're telling people all the time at GLAD events about all the meetups in the area. There are over a dozen monthly events and I created a document at http://groups.drupal.org/node/246793 to help everyone (including myself) keep track of them all.

In comparison, I've noticed that the content at "LA Drupal" meetups largely ignores anything that isn't somehow an official "LA Drupal" event, whatever that means. I've lost count how many times I've been to the "LA Drupal" meetups and only heard about that group's events and nothing about trainings, meetups or code sprints happening elsewhere in Los Angeles County alone, much less the Greater Los Angeles Area.

Although this is a major difference between the two groups and their organizing styles, I'm very reluctant to put this comparison directly in our group mission. I'm reluctant to single out "LA Drupal" at all, really. GLAD does not exist to heap criticism on anyone and it's always possible that the current situation may change in the future.

Geography

On the point of geography, GLAD actually does produce events in and provide resources to the Greater Los Angeles Area and therefore represents a different geographic area.

The Greater Los Angeles Area covers Los Angeles County, Orange County, Riverside County, San Bernardino County and Ventura County. Our organizers and sponsors have organized (or are actively planning) meetups in all of these areas except for Orange County, where we're still looking for a venue.

Governance

There's much that can be said about governance. In short, GLAD is not a sub-group of "LA Drupal" and "LA Drupal" is not a sub-group of GLAD. Our group has grown sustainably since it started as Downtown Los Angeles Drupal and it is successfully governing itself as a separate user group.

From what I can tell, "LA Drupal" still has secretive, top-down leadership, but that seems to work for them. GLAD is different and our governance policy at http://groups.drupal.org/node/230018 lays out the framework for how it operates.

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christefano commented

To clarify, when I said this:

GLAD does not exist to heap criticism on anyone and it's always possible that the current situation may change in the future.

I meant to say this:

GLAD does not exist to heap criticism on anyone and it's always possible that the "LA Drupal" group's current position on collaboration may change in the future.

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christefano commented

To anyone who's interested, I posted the meeting minutes from last week's governance meetup:

   http://groups.drupal.org/node/289988#comment-912503

This particular section of the minutes is relevant to this issue:

Another agenda item was the discussion of our group's name change from Downtown Los Angeles Drupal (Downtown Drupal) to Greater Los Angeles Drupal (GLAD). We've been considering this name change for several months and the organizers at the meetup agreed unanimously to make the change. This also meant that this governance meetup was our first "Greater Los Angeles Drupal Governance Meetup" and why it's numbered the way it is.

Now that it's official, we've updated our group's mission statement at http://groups.drupal.org/node/219129 accordingly. We're now waiting for the Drupal Groups webmasters to approve the change of the path alias of the node from 'dtla' (for Downtown Los Angeles) to 'glad' (Greater Los Angeles Drupal).

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Chris Charlton
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Sorry, but starting your own Los Angeles Drupal user group on the basis of governance differences/styles is a horrible motivation. Basically, you're stating you don't like how the LA group is run, and/or you can't work with the existing organizers.

Geographical groups are not something people should play around with, again, for at least the very reason of causing confusion to new members & Drupal users. You should learn to work with your existing group instead of trying to establish a copy, and gaming Drupal.org for your SEO games. What benefit is there to people asking, "which LA Drupal is the real one?"

And lastly, you've already re-created a California group so that should be enough to encompass the regions you listed, plus you're an organizer to some of sub-areas you mention - when will you stop!? Please admit you are gaming GDO for your own marketing purposes and hiding behind your broiler plate mission statements. All this shows is you have no desire to work with others who are already the established group leaders of your region, which was your fault to begin with due to your bad attitude resulting in you being kicked out as an organizer.

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sreynen commented
Title: Update path alias for the new group name » Address group competition, update path alias for the new group name
Status: Postponed (maintainer needs more info) » Needs review

I'm updating the title on this to capture the unresolved issue here of how we address group competition. That should be addressed before the alias change, as the outcome could possibly result in a different group name.

Back when the group was in moderation and being called "Downtown LA," the geographic overlap was already a concern, and this recent expansion of scope only expands that concern. Long-term (i.e. with the D7 Drupal Commons update), our plan is to make that a non-issue by providing users with plenty of information about related and nearby groups, so they can make informed decisions about which groups to join. Short-term, we required a clear distinction be added to the group description as a condition of approving the group. This is analogous to how we handle competing projects on Drupal.org.

In retrospect, I think it was a mistake to put group organizers, who have a somewhat antagonistic relationship, in charge of writing the description of differences. The description reads as competitive, which goes against the goals for groups.drupal.org. Ideally everyone would be collaborating, but since that's apparently too much to ask, I think the interests of the wider community are best served by having someone not directly involved write a simple "here's another group you should consider joining" paragraph to replace the current paragraph, which I would paraphrase as "here's why our group is better than theirs."

The group description is, of course, only one place where group competition can be harmful to the community, but it's the most visible area we can actually address in the context of groups.drupal.org. To a large extent, this is simply a problem we can't solve on the website. I invite anyone concerned to leave feedback on this proposal for mitigating the competition problem before we get back to the alias update topic.

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mike stewart commented

It seems to me that competition sometimes arises between groups from GDO users that organize multiple geographical groups. Obviously this isn't the cause for all compeition among groups. Nonetheless, it raises a question: Is it healthy for Drupal community to allow a single person to organize multiple geographical groups?

Most people only have a single residence. Therefore, if people are allowed to organize groups in multiple areas, to what end? The places they travel to for business or pleasure? The places they like? Or just any group they claim? Does it help the local community if they aren't actually a full-time member of that community?

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Note: edited to fix some grammar and hopefuly clarify my point.

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christefano commented

As this issue has been reframed to discuss competition, can someone actually step up to say what competition exists and how it may be detrimental to the community?

In retrospect, I think it was a mistake to put group organizers, who have a somewhat antagonistic relationship, in charge of writing the description of differences.

sreynen, I'd be up for hearing how you interpret how GLAD is different from other groups. Meanwhile, I'll think of ways to update our group description that are more along the lines of "here's another group you should consider joining", as you suggest.

edit: sreynen, I've updated the group description at http://groups.drupal.org/node/219129 and I think it comes across as less antagonistic, as you put it. We'll discuss this further at our Downtown Drupal meetup on June 4th. This meetup is broadcast via WebEx and everyone here is invited to attend: http://groups.drupal.org/node/300243

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I was originally hopeful that when the Downtown Drupal group was shanghaied into existence it would bring an end to this conflict. Unfortunately, this was not the case. This name change seems to me to be a self-serving attempt at taking over LA area Drupal.

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christefano commented

frob, GLAD is not an attempt at taking over the LA area. Can you explain what your thinking and concerns are? I'm not sure what your comment is about and would like to hear more.

The Downtown Drupal group has been producing events in the Greater Los Angeles Area for a while now. It has since expanded to the Greater Los Angeles Area and we're planning the Greater Los Angeles Drupal Camp (GLADCamp) in February, 2014. I think it would be great to have your feedback on this issue so that we make GLADCamp even more of a success.

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So lets start with the name. The existing group is named LA Drupal. Expanded this is Los Angeles Drupal. You're new name for Downtown Drupal is Greater Los Angeles Drupal. I don't know if this is a Freudian slip or intentional; however you are literally saying that your group is the Greater Los Angeles Drupal.

Now on to the recent history. There was a re-organization of LADrupal managers. This lead to Christefano no longer being a LADrupal manager. Later Christefano uses his admin privileges to change a dead Lithuanian (I might be wrong on the exact name of the old group) group into Downtown Drupal. This bipasses the group approval process and as a result Christefano is no longer an admin at gdo. I thought that this would be good because it should have stopped the infighting in LADrupal community. Unfortunately this was not the case. This latest name change is just another step a re-asserting himself as a manager at LADrupal.

This is what I mean. It look like you just want to take over LA.

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sreynen commented

christefano, is it correct to interpret your editing of the group description as a rejection of what I proposed in #8? My proposal was intentionally group-agnostic; it would apply to all groups. LA currently has more active disagreement than any other geographic groups, but I don't expect that will always be the case and would like to plan for the future in addition to addressing current issues.

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christefano commented

sreynen, I don't reject your proposal at all. I've updated the group description to remove some language that may be construed as competitive and have added a "here are other groups you should consider joining" paragraph, as you suggested.

frob, thanks for your recitation of recent events. I'm still curious to hear what competition exists and how it may be detrimental to the community. You seem to be concerned about the name of the groups (e.g. LA, Greater Los Angeles Area, etc.). Unfortunately, these are the names that inhabitants of the area have been given to work with.

Perhaps the "LA Drupal" group should be renamed to "LA County" to prevent further confusion? Chris Charlton in #3 said that's the specific regional focus of "LA Drupal", so that name change would make sense to me.

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sreynen commented
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sreynen, I don't reject your proposal at all

Great, I added a simple "See also:" header to the group page. I encourage you to remove the other references to related groups from the description, as they're now redundant and can too easily be read as negative editorializing. There's really no need to say anything about other groups at all. People can follow the links and read the descriptions there.

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christefano commented

There's really no need to say anything about other groups at all. People can follow the links and read the descriptions there.

That's fine and good so long as the information in those descriptions is correct. The first paragraph of the "LA Drupal" group inaccurately says that there are "six or more monthly meetings". It would be accurate to say 1 or 2.

While I don't have an issue with the idea of a "See also" section, I do have a few issues with its current execution:

  1. Why is this "See also" section in the header and not the required "What's different about this group" section or in a block? Right now you've put the names of other groups in the top content region that third-party (i.e. non Drupal.org) search engines display in their search results and to me this is both unsightly and unacceptable;
  2. This text appears to be editable only by webmasters, which adds more work for the webmaster team when new groups form and the text needs to be updated. Considering the number of unanswered support requests that I've opened in this issue queue, I have little confidence that requests to update this "See also" text will be answered as well;
  3. Right now this "See also" section has been added to Greater Los Angeles Drupal but not to any of the other groups in question. I'm curious when the other groups will also have this section. Until they do, I take exception that it's been deployed to Greater Los Angeles Drupal before points 1 and 2 are resolved.

I would really like to see separate issues be created rather than this one be continuously blocked by twists and changes along the way. First it was about a path alias, then it was about group competition (which I'm still interested to hear about) and now it's about a completely new "See also" section. Just let us choose the name for our own group!

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sreynen commented
Status: Active » Needs review

That's fine and good so long as the information in those descriptions is correct.

If group descriptions are incorrect, members can figure that out; they don't need warnings from other group descriptions.

Why is this "See also" section in the header and not the required "What's different about this group" section or in a block?

That's the only place we can put it that can't be edited by group maintainers.

This text appears to be editable only by webmasters, which adds more work for the webmaster team

As a webmaster, I'm okay with spending that time to remove another opportunity for infighting. Issues like this consume far more webmaster time.

Right now this "See also" section has been added to Greater Los Angeles Drupal but not to any of the other groups in question

No other group was approved with a stipulation that it must link to existing groups. When that stipulation is made for other groups, we can add a similar section.

I would really like to see separate issues be created rather than this one be continuously blocked by twists and changes along the way.

I would really like to see everyone in LA work together in a spirit of collaboration, but we all make compromises.

Now that we've clarified that the group is describing only itself, hopefully the new name will be less likely to be interpreted as commentary on other groups. Unless there are new objections, I'm ready to update the path to match the name.

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Chris Charlton
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-1

I object to updating the path. @frob put it best, there is too much overlap with the name having "LA Drupal" and/or "Los Angeles Drupal." The Downtown Drupal group will need to find a new name or revert as a result.

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christefano commented

That's the only place we can put it that can't be edited by group maintainers.

sreynen, what about in the sidebar or content bottom region? I'll speak with GLAD's other organizers but I think the price of having it in content top is too high. I've opened a separate issue to have the "See also" section discussed before it's deployed:

   #2006494: Discuss proposed "See also" section for similar and nearby groups

As a webmaster, I'm okay with spending that time to remove another opportunity for infighting. Issues like this consume far more webmaster time.

While I appreciate all your efforts that keep groups.drupal.org running smoothly, I have the unenviable task of pointing out that removing opportunities for infighting isn't your responsibility. The CWG has been set up to handle conflict management and resolution scenarios. The "simple" solution that you've devised is both without peer review and is just adding more bureaucracy to an already strained system, and steps on the sovereignty of our group.

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sreynen commented
Status: Needs review » Needs work

christefano, I disagree that my responsibility on groups.drupal.org does not include preventing infighting on the site. But if you'd like to move this to the CWG and they're willing to take it on, I'd be more than happy for someone else to seek a resolution where I've found none.

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christefano commented

Okay, I misspoke. sreynen, what I'm thinking is that you're applying an unproven technical solution that affects a governance issue and that's outside the scope of your responsibilities on groups.drupal.org. Let's see what happens at #2006494: Discuss proposed "See also" section for similar and nearby groups and we'll go from there.

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frob
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I just wanted to ask this question. Why are there two LA area groups?

For Drupal Projects it is considered bad form to create a module that doesn't differ form another module in any functional way. So why should this be allowed in for groups. I would expect it would need to be up to the new group to show a real need for another group offering the exact same function as an existing group. That function being the advancement of community and use of Drupal as a product in the LA Area.

This is why downtown drupal isn't a bad thing. It is like a lite version of a complex module. It serves a different purpose and fills a gap in the market. However, I do not see what purpose is served by having another LA Area Drupal Group.

In my opinion, all that will happen is a splintering of the LA Area Drupal community.

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Hi. I'm a member of the Community Working Group and a g.d.o moderator. I believe we're planning to discuss this issue at the next CWG meeting, but in the meantime, I was hoping to get some additional information about the issues at play here:

My frame of reference is Chicago, which has multiple meet-up groups (CDMUG, CADUG, Fox Valley Drupal, and Village of Oak Park DUG) who all co-exist in a single regional g.d.o group (https://groups.drupal.org/chicago) with multiple administrators. Each of these meet-up groups runs their own events, and there is geographic overlap between them.

Can either christefano or Chris Charlton explain why both of their meetup groups couldn't similarly co-exist in a single "Los Angeles" regional group on g.d.o?

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christefano commented

Thanks, gdemet. I think that enough time has passed since new groups started forming that it's a good time to revisit this discussion. That said, I'm just one person (albeit an outspoken one) in the mix and I'll encourage others to jump in if they'd like. Spending an hour or two on politics, though, is not very attractive when compared with spending the same amount of time on paid work, with family, organizing a meetup, etc., so we'll see.

Regarding the matter of the path alias, I think that GLAD is receiving unfair treatment and I've updated the issue at #2006494: Discuss proposed "See also" section for similar and nearby groups.

Co-existence as two or more user groups within the same OG group on Drupal Groups is a challenge, I think, because when there was just one group in the past there were differences in several of the area's local organizers' governance styles and marketing practices. While I'm open to the idea of one regional group, I think that having one group at this point would be a bit like a shotgun wedding that would stifle healthy activity. There are differences still need to be worked out.

At the organizational level, since the creation of separate user groups all the organizers have been given the freedom (and the tools as OG admins) to organize themselves, promote Drupal and foster community around the area, and the amount of political maneuvering and public bickering has been reduced almost entirely. I believe this is because separate OG groups have their own group admins and both GLAD and "LA Drupal" are more or less being treated by the other as sovereign groups with their own autonomy.

This kind of respectful consideration didn't exist before there were separate user groups and their own OG groups on Drupal Groups. Now that there are, GLAD has grown quickly, been able to test out new meetup formats and sponsorship models and establish its governance policy. As a major contributor to a large number of meetups, job fairs and camps, I can say that the number of events and rate of attendance has increased entirely due to GLAD's autonomy.

On a personal level, I'm confident that I can work with "LA Drupal" organizers (and indeed I currently do, at both the professional and community levels), but in the special case of Chris Charlton a mutual distrust and dislike has developed that I'm unsure how to deal with. I'm hopeful that the new Community Working Group has the framework to handle matters of cyberbullying.

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christefano commented

gdemet, how was the CWG meeting? I hope that my reply at #25 was helpful.

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demeester_roel commented

My name is Roel De Meester, i'm part of the CWG (together with Donna & George). To better understand the issue and facilitate in resolving it, we propose to setup a skype (or any other VOIP system) call separately with christefano and Chris Charlton. I will initiate this call and will send out an invite to both in coming days. This should take no longer than 20 minutes of their time.

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christefano commented

Thanks, Roel. I'm still on vacation but look forward to talking with you when I get back on or after September 9th. I'll follow up with you by email with my availability.

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christefano commented

The complaints in this issue are reminding me more and more of the classic candlemaker's petition. If anyone wants a good read while waiting for this issue to be resolved, see http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html  

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frob
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The complaints in this issue are reminding me more and more of the classic candlemaker's petition.

This is probably the most asinine thing I have read all year.

edit - I feel as though I should elaborate as to not sound like an ass myself.

One cannot logically draw similarities between competition in free trade and competition in community organization. The focus and goals are too far removed. However, this goes to show that you don't seem to have a good grasp of what the goals are in community organization. This surprises me coming from a person who is currently supposed to be organizing 20 groups on gdo.

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christefano commented

frob, thanks for the update. I'm glad you added more with your edit.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree about community organizing styles. Also… which community are we talking about? The developer community? The employer and recruitment community? The word "community" is so nebulous that it loses much of its meaning unless it's better defined.

The candlemaker's petition, by the way, is supposed to come across as idiotic. It's a classic argument and it helps to illustrate my point that those who have a fear of competition are attempting to suppress something that they can't otherwise compete with.

In truth, I don't see this as an issue of competition. From what I can tell, GLAD and "LA Drupal" are doing just fine. My request in comment #10 for more information about competition is still almost entirely unanswered. So, I still don't see this as a matter of competition.

If this is just a naming issue, then please feel free to update the title of this issue to reflect that. Feel free to make a few naming suggestions, too. They'll be heard and considered at the next GLAD governance meeting. Note that the name for the geographical region that GLAD is dedicated to is the Greater Los Angeles Area and during our governance meeting on April 2nd, we chose the name "Greater Los Angeles Drupal" based entirely on that.

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The community I am referring to is the Drupal User Community. As in those who use Drupal for whatever means.

The candlemaker's petition, by the way, is supposed to come across as idiotic

I do not find the Candle Makers Petition to be asinine. I find any similarity drawn between it and this issue to be asinine.

If this is just a naming issue, then please feel free to update the title of this issue to reflect that. Feel free to make a few naming suggestions, too

Now you are starting to understand. The competition is coming from you attempting to steal the LA Drupal namespace. I'll make a suggestion: keep the name Downtown Drupal (or switch it back to Lithuanian Drupal Translation)

Unlike some of the other members of LA Drupal I didn't think it was a bad thing when you made Downtown Drupal, even though I didn't approve of how Christefano founded Downtown Drupal. (Honestly I do not understand how you are allowed to continue organizing groups on gdo after pulling that stunt) It would seem as though I was wrong not to think it was a bad thing. Why are you pushing this when both groups where doing so well. I thought we all wanted the same thing: a thriving Drupal community.

I understand that you are not a LA Area native and as such you may not understand why having two groups named (essentially) LA Drupal is confusing, but it is.

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The last statement was not meant to be a personal jab, though it could sound like it. It is worded as-to-try and illustrate exactly why this is a bad thing.

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christefano commented

frob, well… that's twice in two days that your comments have come across to me as unnecessarily personal. It reminds me of one of my favorite Margaret Thatcher quotes:

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.

In all seriousness, maybe I have a malfunctioning sarcasm detector and you're just being snarky. If you're not intending to be sarcastic, then let me know if you'd like to get together for a drink or lunch or something and talk in person. Seriously.

If you are intending to be sarcastic, well… I don't know how to move forward with you on this issue.

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I have attempted to have a drink with you once after a meetup. You plead ignorance over all of this. Much like you are doing here:

In truth, I don't see this as an issue of competition

I don't think anyone is that oblivious. None of my previous comments are sarcasm. Everything I said is intended to be completely sincere.

In case you are wondering the above statement is the first time I have been "unnecessarily personal" and I only make the statement to try and illustrate for you the difference between a personal attack and an attack of the issue.

The issue on point here is that you are trying to change the name of Downtown Drupal to Greater LA Drupal, this will put you into direct competition with LA Drupal.

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christefano commented

frob, that crosses the line. This public forum is no place for personal attacks. Let me know if you're serious about working out any personal issues and talking with one another as professionals. My offer to get together and to talk in person still stands.

If you're not interested, I'll accept that and think it would be a good idea for the two of us to have a cooldown period. We have our own definition of that in GLAD's governance policy, which you're welcome to read at http://drupal.la/governance  

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I do not agree that any of my statements crosses any line. I need to be sure that both my opinion is heard and that the history of the matter is known as to show the cause for my opinion.

To be completely clear, this is nothing personal, this is a bad idea with or without you.

With that said however, I am of the opinion that this issue would never have even come up without you and that you personally are antagonizing LA Drupal with this issue and causing strife within the LA Drupal community.

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christefano commented

Stop singling me out, dude. The reason that this issue has come up at all is because a bunch of Downtown Drupal organizers voted at a public governance meetup to change the name to Greater Los Angeles Drupal. Go read the meeting notes:

   https://groups.drupal.org/node/289988#comment-912503

If you truly believe that I've personally been antagonizing "LA Drupal" and causing strife, then I suggest that we get together to talk things out, that you attend our governance meetings and make a positive contribution, or that you just leave us alone. I'm fine with any of those options so long as you can be professional and polite.