Never ending search for image modules combination.

zoomth commented 19 March 2011 at 15:14

I use Wordpress 3.1, it's fantastic, wonderful CMS.

Drupal intrigues me, it's a challenge, even trying to put two images in the same article is a major event for someone who has never used Drupal.

There are image uploaders but maybe it is quicker to learn HTML than stuff around finding out which one to use. Even managing to discover how to put more than one image in an article took me a couple of hours.

It's not meant to be user friendly. It's for the initiated . I can accept that. I will still persevere in the belief it can do things Wordpress can't, but Wordpress is catching up fast. Drupal will continue to loose market share whilst it put barriers up to people new to the software.

Its a safe bet

zkrebs commented 19 March 2011 at 19:07

to be in the place of seeing learning html/css as a good idea if you are interested in owning your own website. if you're paying someone to do it for you, they are going to know how to do things manually and/or the "drupal way".

perhaps you could look into the advancements made in Drupal 7 and related modules, especially http://drupal.org/project/media . it is by definition:

Add media of all types (Images, Audio, Video, Documents) into any textarea (requires Wysiwyg module)
Use the fields API (formerly CCK) to add fields to any type of media. Think captions on images and genres on audio.
Flexible display filters to do on-the-fly image manipulation, flash based players for A/V, etc (with the Styles module)
Plugins to use remote media from sites like youtube, flickr, etc
A unified interface for adding adding any type of media as a field to a node (or in the future - users and terms as well).
Administration screens for CRUD dealing with Media
Mass import of files
Drag and drop upload (w/ plupload module)
Multiple selection for galleries, etc in the media browser

Thanks for Media Module suggestion

zoomth commented 20 March 2011 at 08:53

Succeeded in creating an article with images.
Used CKEditor Module CKEditor Editor Wysiwyg.
Media , Media Gallery and Styles Module.
Took me a while to work out using Drupal support.
Media Module is excellent.

The user should be able to

mcfilms commented 19 March 2011 at 19:45

The user should be able to easily insert an image into the post in WYSIWYG editor, should be able to resize and position the images with the mouse.

Can you please point me to ANY CMS that does this easily? We are still dealing with HTML pages here. So going beyond positioning images to the left, right or maybe center is a challenge. Should the system produce custom CSS on the fly?

Resizing the images the right way is also a challenge. You don't want to just have the users grab a corner and scale an image. You want to produce a new raster that has that image correctly resized.

It's easy to SAY that it's been two years (or five years) and nothing works properly for the user. But it's quite another to make it happen. Somehow thousand of Drupal sites exist and have some degree of image handeling.

I would say a developer has to equally manage his user's expectations with what is currently available. Yeah, it would be great to have all the functionality of Quark or Illustrator in a web page editor. But that just isn't the current state of the art.

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Can you please point me to ANY CMS that does this easily

alexbk66- commented 13 April 2011 at 12:47

My site is published, you can give it a try.

I worked it out, as I said I'm using the following combination, works like charm (except for Google Chrome :( )!

http://drupal.org/project/wysiwyg_imageupload
http://drupal.org/project/image_resize_filter
http://drupal.org/project/wysiwyg_filter
http://drupal.org/project/lightbox2

But you must agree - Drupal is a pain. Mainly because development wasn't coordinated enough. There's too much stuff to choose from and it's easy to get lost!

Point?

yelvington commented 19 March 2011 at 21:18

The reason there are so many different options is that other people have requirements and preferences that are different from yours. Options can be confusing, but this diversity is a strength, not a weakness. Nobody wants to live in the Soviet Union. There is not one single official solution because there is not one single official problem.

Point?

alexbk66- commented 23 March 2011 at 10:18

There's too many similar modules, it's very unfortunate that developers spent so much time developing their own stuff instead of combining their efforts to produce one or two really good modules.

Any comments on http://www.slideshare.net/walkah/why-i-hate-drupal?

Sometimes I feel like http://drupal.org/node/944366, even Microsoft doesn't drive me that mad.

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Jeff Burnz commented 23 March 2011 at 12:27

This is a huge problem in Drupal module ecosystem and something everyone is very aware of and a lot of work goes into trying to get developers to merge projects, close duplicate projects and there are strict gate-keepers for new GIT accounts to prevent duplicate modules being added.

So it is a problem, just not one easily solved. People writing site building guides with lists of modules they used is common and really helps, so I rather see this as a documentation issue also.

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Your chance to make a change

mcfilms commented 23 March 2011 at 17:25

@alexbk66- It sounds like you have worked out a solution. Now is your chance to give back to the community AND set forth a procedure that might become THE way to upload and position images in the future. I invite you to document what you did that worked in a positive constructive manner. This would help other people facing the same issue. Are you up to it?

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Jeff Burnz commented 23 March 2011 at 19:16

Yeah I totally back this comment, anyone can blog about it, write a book page in the Drupal handbook guide, or even post an issue to documentation team on this site with a word doc and someone will make it into a handbook page - the main thing is to get it down in writing and make it really easy to understand.

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Happy to do so

alexbk66- commented 29 March 2011 at 13:55

Hey guys,

Finally I think my site is ready for use, so I feel much better now! After 3 month of frustration...

Basically the solution is to use http://drupal.org/project/wysiwyg_imageupload and http://drupal.org/project/image_resize_filter.

This takes quite a while to set up (especially for Drupal newbie like me). Thanks to EugenMayer for creating the module and also VERY detailed documentation. It was quite an unusual experience for Drupal!

I'll try to summarize what I've done to get it working, as it was a usual 'trial and error' path.

I found much better solution - WordPress!

alexbk66- commented 1 June 2011 at 13:13

1. "Can you please point me to ANY CMS that does this easily?" @mcfilms,

Yes I can! WordPress has it out-of-the-box, including audio and video! Everything - resizing, alignment, alt text... Guess what? No imagecache! It's sexy: http://d6.hobbyblob.com/sites/default/files/tmp/BP-Upload.png

2. "Nobody wants to live in the Soviet Union" @yelvington,

What does it have to do with Soviet Union? Screw you @yelvington! You could spend your time better trying to help, not showing your arrogance.

Uncalled for

Jeff Burnz commented 1 June 2011 at 13:49

Hello, please keep it respectful - there is no need for lashing out and attacking a fellow Drupaler in this way. Please see our Code of Conduct. Despite your interpretation of a particular post or point, this behavior is not warranted, nor wanted in the Drupal forums.

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Never ending search for image modules combination.

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